Kargyraa Throat Singing Tutorial - The Most Simple Way
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- Here you have some simple way of how to learn and develop your kargyraa (throat singing) technique!
0. How I've learnt the kargyraa (unconventional way :D) and some basic tips
1. Find the grit! 1:51
2. Sustain the grit (a motorboat exercise) 3:35
3. Learn basic overtones 5:53
4. Combining distortion with overtones to get the kargyraa 9:31
#Kargyraa is using both our true vocal folds (we engage for singing) and false vocal folds (we use for screaming) and because of that it's getting very popular among extreme vocalists around the world who want to learn to scream and sing with distortion or to improve their vocal technique.
#ThroatSinging helps us to find the proper placement for the distortion which is a fundamental step while learning any extreme vocal technique like Fry Scream, False Cord or singing with Grit.
In upcoming weeks I will upload videos about how you can use the kargyraa to learn the fry scream and false cord.
P.S. To learn how to sing with the distortion skip the 3rd step and follow the 1st and 2nd step (distortion is like throat singing without overtones).
#Sardaukarchant #kargyraa #throatsinging
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Not only did this video teach me throat singing, but also somehow whistling???
I don't even know how, but it did.
I'm glad it helped! :D
Was it coming from your throat? Might be naturally inclined toward sygyt
As a beatboxer, I've always known the lower vocal fold technique as a different sound. I never realized I could add overtones to do mongolian throat singing. This is incredible and overall very well explained.
Because of this very cool exercise i was able to get it in just one long forest walk. Thanks for this!!! Now i just have to develope it further
That's the power of nature! :D
Can imagine what the onlooking bears and forest patrol officers were thinking you were up to that whole time lmao
Brillaint idea! I may just steal this
Forest walk length/quantity is now my favorite unofficial unit of temporal measurement
Long forest walk is somehow easier to understand than 5 mins
once you learn false cord, its easy.
its just about controlling the speed your false cords move at.
It’s a lot more than that.
Much quicker explanation
@@northernninety7 no its really not .. i took voice disorders in grad school and you vibrating the false vocal cords .. its not easy , but once you figure it out you can refine it .. dont be negative
The revving up thing is really helpful. It's useful for finding the sound without hurting my throat, and then holding it when I find it. Previously I was doing a more physically aggressive and tight motion each time I'd try to start kargyraa, and it was damaging my vocal folds more so I had to take more breaks. This is a much gentler way to get the distortion started.
I am very happy to read that, awesome!
taught around half a dozen people how to do this using your video
Nice :D
Thank you so much, super helpful. You’re a great teacher!
We got Toki fucking-Wartooth to teach us
Even if you said you didn't formally study or train throat singing, you did very very well teaching how you do it. I watched some other tutorials and some even trained formally, but you explained it in a way that it didn't hurt my throat and I almost instantly understood how to do it. :D
Thank you! I am glad that it worked :)
Excellent teacher! 💫
This was brilliant, thank you!
Gonna be honest, I’ve been watching many videos about throat singing but this one really helps a lot.
Thank you!! This is very helpful and easy to understand 🎉
this is the fastest I've ever picked up a skill thankyou u are great at explaining
Propably the simplest tutorial that i could find
This was the best throat singing tutorial, clear an simple I was able to achieve it, now I just need to practice it somewhere with more freedom
Zajebisty tutorial ❤ Dziena!
although it wasn’t the intent, this finally got me to understand false chord which is something ive been trying to do for around a year now
Thank youuuu for this in depth explanation. This is all I needed to be able to grasp throat singing.. not many other videos show exercises to get your ready. Thannnk you!!!! :3
Anyone else wanting to sing with nature.. this with Kuular's videos are perfect.
Very useful, thank you! 🤘
Damn, now I need to learn archery and horse riding. Thanks for the tutorial
:D
Right, time to practise.
Thank you for this tutorial! It is so helpful!
Hi, I'm glad that the video is helpful, thank you for your comment!
You are a champ! This helped me improve a lot
I am very happy to read that the video was helpful for you, awesome!
Amazing video, thank you
Hands down the best short lesson in throat singing
Thank you!
Great class! Simple and didactic! Thanks you!!!
Thank you Javier, I am very happy you like the tutorial!!
this was probably the most helpful and in depth tutorial ive found!
thank you for your secrets >:D
I am very happy that the tutorial was helpful! :D
@@sibilaextremevocal cant wait to get better at it and train my lungs and use it in meditation too :)
if anyone else i know is interested in learning i will definitely show them this video 😸
Thank you!
PS Meditation is one of the most wonderful things in the world :D
INCREDIBLY helpful, thank you SO SO SO much. I'm trying to add some distortion to my vocal repertoire and, according to Aliki Katriou, throat singing is a great way to develop control over it. Thank youuuu :))))
Hi, I am very happy to see that the video was helpful for you! :)
I am going to upload a few videos about singing with distortion but throat singing can be really useful for building the foundation for raspy singing.
Thank you for your comment, have a great day!
Great video dude!!! Appreciate it!!! 👍
Thank you Clint!
I am excited to learn this. I'm going to try these exercises and I will let you know how it goes. Thank you so much my friend!
Awesome!
Thank you! I really learned how to throat sing from this tutorial, and now my friend is dying of laughter
Awesome!
PS Your friend can learn as well :D
I rarely give thumps up, this video deserved it!
Thank you, it means a lot and I am very glad you like the video!
Wow! Thanks for that excercises!
Spoko, dzięki za komentarz!
PS W razie czego ten materiał ma też wersję w 100% po polsku :D
@@sibilaextremevocal wlasnie wczoraj to odkryłem. I wczoraj zacząłem ćwiczyć khoomei bo łatwiej zaczac. Dzisiaj już mi kargyraa rezonuje w uszach hahhaha sygyt to moj cel ale najpierw trzeba opanować podstawy. No i to dzięki Twojemu poradnikowi. Inne jakoś do mnie nie trafiały. Pozdro!
Got interested in throat singing because of the Sardaukar scene in the Dune movie. Came across this video and started getting some noises going, easy to follow and learn!
Great video and thank you!
Wow! I didnt knew that movie scene, thank you! I put it in my throat singing playlist.
Great video! Helped me figure out what I was doing incorrectly.
Thank you, I am glad it was helpful for finding out more about your technique!
Thank you so much, ive been practicing throat singing for 3 years now but kinda stopped practicing and this video sparked my interest in it again and i immediatly was able to do it like never before! Great video ❤
Thank you very much :) I am happy to see that you re-discovered your passion to the throat singing, awesome!
Wow immediately? So cool, I've been practicing when I do karaoke by singing The Hu's but can't do it perfectly 😅, so here looking up tutorials 😊.
I discovered I could do this by accident as well. I shit you not, I was singing along to the guitar to In To The Void by Black Sabbath and all of a sudden I activated this incredible talent.
That's why it's good to play around and experiment, awesome!
I discovered it by accident too! For me it was the final note in the chorus of Mars for the Rich by King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard - the whole album (Infest the Rats' Nest) is sung in a raspy style instead of Stu's usual clean and light vocals, so I practiced my rasp along with it. That low note was difficult to get right, so I kept practicing and eventually killed two birds!
this was so helpful and clear! thank you 🙇♂
after 2 weeks of easing into it (trying not to hurt myself), the growl starting getting clearer, then suddenly it clicked when I added the upper layer. I cannot believe the sounds coming out of my mouth now ha!
Awesome job!
PS It's very good that you did it step by step, sometimes smaller but regular and proper steps can lead to overall faster and bettter progress :)
Absolutely amazing video man. I've been trying to figure out how to get distortion from my upper vocal tract and just not getting it for like a year now. I couldn't figure out what it was supposed to feel like, making sound and manipulating the tone of it without true fold interaction. Then I discovered Will Ramos and added a new legend to the list, and found out he worked on Turan throat singing, which brought me here. This so quickly cleared up what it feels like to have sound modified by each section of the vocal tract independently and collectively. Thanks so much!
I am glad to read that the video was helpful - thank you for the comment!
Based! Thank you so much for this.
It is always useful when I can find a tutorial that makes sense and can help me practice doing different voices.
I don’s really sing, but I often run into scripts where I need to voice more then one person, and I like to keep the distinct.
That's awesome, I am happy the video was helpful for you!
Voice acting is very creative and challenging profession (in my opinion much more demanding than singing) and it's great you look for more ways to make your voice more diverse and flexible.
thankyou very muchh this really help me as a begginer🔥🔥😭
Awesome!
Thank you so much man! I have watched other peoples videos, and tried a few times to learn throat singing, but never been able to get that sound. I watch your video yesterday and followed instruction. I could do the motorbike sound a little bit, but only for a few seconds, then it would hurt my throat, and make me cough. I try again today, and it just worked! I was able to get it going, and rev it up and no pain at all! I then apply it to my 'AUM' and it sounds great! Thank you so much! Great lesson!
Hi, that's really great, I am more than happy to read that it worked!
thank you very much man, helps alot) really very easy and cool. cheers \m/
I am very glad to read that, thank you for the comment and have a great day! \m/
Yes! Yes! The video I was wanting! I'm trying to use grit (and kargyraa) for better false chords and louder fry screams (that I'm still learning). By the way, is there somewhere I can leave a review/testimony? I'm kind of crazy about your channel :D Rock on, Matt!
Awesome! Kargyraa definitely can help with what you mentioned :D In upcoming weeks I am going to upload videos about kargyraa and fry and false cord.
It's so kind of you that you want to leave a review/ testimony, I appreciate that more than much! Your comments are currently such reviews :D Also you can write a one and I will share it on the facebook and instagram page.
Thank you for your comment, rock on!
1st lesson and I suceed I don't know what to say but it seems logic for me just need to practice now thank you man !
Good job, keep on rocking!
This is so helpful - thanks a lot! A fantastic way to explain throat singing to those wanting to learn. And thanks for the unexpected laugh at 9:35 : )
I am very glad to read that you like the tutorial - that means a lot to me, thank you! :)
Love your accent :)
I might be late to the party but I'd like to thank you for the motorbike idea. I've had troubles sustaining the sound and creating distortion while learning false cords. It really helps practicing the right amount of breath support and placement.
I'm happy it was helpful!
I first became interested in throat singing as a mere child in 2003 because of some of the music in the PS2 game "Siren" (Also known as Forbidden Siren) I was actually listening to the song tonight and decided to search tutorials. I watched two or three other video's but kept eyeballing this one every time they were over. I can not practice at this particular moment because it's 3:00 in the morning and there's a couple rooms beside mine with people sleeping. I'm also very shy and quiet as a mouse, but I plan to practice more when nobody is around, or while driving. Heck I may even try to find some walking trails around the lake here and give it my best.
You have helped me comprehend what I need to do with my vocals unlike any other video I've seen yet. You come off as a very well mannered, kind hearted individual whom loves to help people for the sakes of helping, and education. Never let your light burn out. You've got an amazing personality and energy. Your aura is projecting with a bright iridescence. I can see it with my inner spirit. Kick ass hair bro, and the "Yaaayyy!" made me smile, then the quick party blower made me instantly laugh and cover my mouth so I didn't wake anyone. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 10/10 You're a hell of a good vibe. I hope life is treating you with a good, gentle kindness. (That goes to all other's as well.) Love, peace, and good energy from the U.S. state known for our corn fields. ❤✌😊
Also if my 3 little children are interested in this sound, I will be showing them this video, and helping them practice as well. 😁
Thank you so much for the kind words - I think I needed to read something like that!
I have to check the game you mentioned because I never heard of it and I'm a huge fan of video games :D
If you ever have questions about vocals or record something during your practice, feel free to write me an email - xvocalcenter@gmail.com
All the best!
Super helpful!!!!
I am glad to read that, thank you for the comment!
Amazing
thank you! \m/
I had a lot of difficulty with kargyraa when I tried this some time ago, but I've learned to control my false chords really well by trying do subharmonics, that I've done kargyraa with just 6 minutes of this video
Thanks bro I saw some people doing kargyraa and I was like "oh gosh I need to do this"
Focus on false chords everyone hahaha
Indeed, subharmonics and false cord are really helpful when it comes to learning and nailing the kargyraa :D
6 minutes is damn fast, well done!
@@sibilaextremevocal thanks bro, subharmonic is like frying and making chest voice at same time, kargyraa would be like clearing the throat and making chest voice at same time, don't know if you have a subharmonic video but it would be cool, it took me some months to get a little subharmonic sound, it's difficult to find it at the beginning
Subharmonic is a tricky thing in the beginning. For me the most simple way is to begin with the vocal fry, then play a note on the piano (or virtual piano) and then start to add the clean voice to hit the note. Usually my subharmonic begins around D2 or C2 and I just do the vocal fry, play the note and try to add just a little of my clean voice to kind of tune to hit the note while trying to stay relaxed as much as it's necessary to stay in tune and sustain the subharmonic.
say beeaaans
Nice purring tutorial, now my cat loves me
One guy I never see anyone try to explain vocally, is Shagrath. That guy is a master, and I would imagine is doing a bit of this
This guy should do asmr. Great voice
nice job
Thanx! I have actually talked to Attila several times, because i have workes with him, about his difference in his voice
Oh, great! That had to be very interesting conversation! I wonder what are his observations about extreme vocal techniques and his own style as well
@@sibilaextremevocal First time I met him was for one of my documenatries about Mayhem. Met him a couple of times during filming. I later had a another fantasy filmproject when he was a voice actor. He portrayed Vildhjarta, a haunted forest.
Damn, that's really intriguing, I would love to watch your documentaries, if it's possible of course!
It would be nice if you can make a video how to get rid of too much breathiness or too much tension for this technique. It's all about perfect control of false folds. When I do the technique I can sometimes feel that little extra breath causing itchiness in the throat, and it's not that much of an air. Sometimes I am in the perfect spot though, so I just keep building the control. Still the tips from grandmaster can be useful to build it faster..
I think I understand what you mean with that "little extra breath". Working with twang can be really helpful for learning how to avoid leaking air while doing those types (and any type) of vocals.
Twang is compressing the sound, making it sharper. The sound is also closer to the higher resonators (sinuses, area of forehead, soft palate) which makes it lighter and much more efortless, it also helps to get the right spot for making the kargyraa.
teraz po angielsku? no cóż itak mega twoje poradniki z 2k17 mi pomogły więc dzięki byku
Siema, bardzo się cieszę! Od 2017, pewnie udało Ci się wyhodować kawał głosu :)
P.S. W gruncie rzeczy to od 2017 roku nagrywam filmiki na dany temat po polsku i angielsku :D
Tutaj jest tutorial o śpiewie gardłowym w wersji po polsku:
th-cam.com/video/ouUg9Y_PsG4/w-d-xo.html
Dude, you are an excellent teacher! I have watched quite a few videos on throat singing, but this one of yours is the most simple, straightforward , and helpful one that I've seen. You're so generous with your time and knowledge. Thankyou! 🙌
* EDITED after reading your helpful and detailed responses to similar questions in the comments section! So I have only one question now ( which you may not even see due to this video being 2 years old) :
So, I am having a problem keeping the sound in the right location. Last night i somehow did it really easily, and it didn't even tickle my throat that much. I was able to sustain the sound for longer, and even somehow managed to (accidentally) get some overtones happening ...but i have no fucking idea how i did it! 😅...today I am struggling to keep it in the correct location! It doesn't hurt, or sound too breathy...but it's very tickly, and after a minute or so of practice i cough up phlegm ( sorry for the TMI, lol). I wish i knew what the magic secret was last night!!
( * It might be that I'm not supporting my breath properly? OR perhaps it's partly due to me not doing any vocal warm ups today...quite stupid of me! Last night I'd been doing some normal undistorted "clean" singing before hand...and also some polyphonic overtone singing practice, so that likely would have made a difference).
Maybe I'm just trying to do too much too soon? (I do tend to be pretty impatient when there's something new and exciting when I want to learn🙃)
Anyway, thanks so much ( even if you don't see my comment). I have subscribed, and will watch more and keep practicing. Cheers from Australia! ✨
Hello, thank you so much for such a positive feedback - I appreciate it a lot!
I think that your singing warm up could be one od the factors that helped you sound and feel better during your previous practice. Tickles are a sign of irritation and discomfort so even if it doesn't hurt, there something to fix in your technique. Warm-up can be one of those things but another one might be a proper support (as you mentioned) or more precise placement of the distortion. Everything is related, for example it's easier to activate the right place for creating the distortion when you properly support the sound you make. Being warmed up helps to activate the support and engage different areas of the larynx with greater ease because of flexibility and mobility that are increaed after a good warm up.
Thank you for the subscribtion!
PS Feel free to send me a recording of your practice. It will be easier to tell what is already good in your technique and what might need improvement. xvocalcenter@gmail.com
@@sibilaextremevocal Thanks so much for the reply- you're awesome🙌. ( I did thank you already a few hours ago, but my comment has disappeared for some reason? So I'm trying again..TH-cam is weird sometimes..)
Yes, I think you're right. It was indeed a bit easier today after some proper vocal warm ups. I think I just need to be patient and take my time instead of trying to get too far ahead of myself. (I did have a serious injury to my throat years ago, so it is quite sensitive at the best of times).
Thanks again! I hope my comment posts this time!
Somehow, the best tutorial I find is by someone who isn't Mongol/Tuvan and it's a free lesson instead of a paid course promotion
I am very glad that you like the video!
I've learnt kargyraa by accident around 2013, after that time I didn't use it but in 2019 I heard that it can be helpful for mastering various screaming techniques so I decided to "undust it". Then it turned out it's really helpful so I started to dive deeper and after 1,5 year of practice, research and testing things with my students, I was ready to record this tutorial :)
@@sibilaextremevocal
I'm planning to take this further with your other videos in this playlist starting with the vocal fry.
I loved your "throat clearing" tip. That instantly clicked for me while everyone kept giving shitty pointers like, "breath like you've had a bad day and find the golden frequency".
Love the research and the effort man. I'm glad I could learn this (my family at home aren't lmao)
Haha, families rarely enjoy the vocal practice :D
In my case no one from my family had a chance to react to my practice because my mother didn't know I was doing vocals for few years - I had already 2 bands (1 was in a different city, 40 km from my home), played few gigs, was preparing to record the first album (with my garage band) and she didn't know, I don't know why I made such a secret from my passion, especially that she knew metal bands like Black Sabbath etc. xD
Nice tutorial. Very well explained. Much appreciated. Mmmmmaaaarrrrgggghhhhhhoooooeeeeeeeeeeaaaaarrrrrggggghhhh
PS Just one thing - when you demonstrate the motorbike technique, you should twist the throttle towards your body as you rev the engine, not away.
Thank you, you are right about the throttle :D I've been wrong whole life
i think I have the concept of this down before even watching the video, but it seems very similar to how you would approach higher range, multi-phonic or split tones on wind instruments. Plus I kind of intuitively thought of the relationship and just started seemingly do it while lying in bed.
It's very intuitive way and I am sure there are more people with similiar observations to yours :)
Thanks dude...First view
Hi Kamal, thank you!
Before I hit puberty I couldn't scream no matter how hard I tried but then my voice dropped and it was possible. I've also learned that yeah practicing a lot will make you sound better. If I hadn't screamed at all for months then I started to sound a lot worse.... but keep in mind that yes screaming too hard too much will f*ck up your voice, starting with coughing like a chain smoker whenever you try to scream. You have to let your vocal chords recover don't go the way of m shadows
That's interesting, usually people tell me that it was much easier to scream before the voice mutation and they lost it or it started to be inconsistent, more difficult and sometimes even uncomfortable once it finished. I don't have any experience with that because I started to do vocals when I was almost 18 years old (my voice wasn't as flexible as in case of my 15 years old students :/ ).
About the practice and progress - it might be a bit like working out at the gym. After having a couple of weeks or especially months of break, training becomes harder and lifting the same weights as before the break might be very difficult and sometimes even impossible throughout the first days or weeks after the break.
That's why it's important to gradually build up the power of vocals after getting back to it after a longer break.
Baltic folklore doesn't have that, so it's fun to learn something new!
I am not sure if the vikings used something similiar to the throat singing :D
They did.
@@sibilaextremevocal we, Lithuanians, don't have much in common with vikings
Paul Penya,Tuvalu blues !! Watch it.great lesson !
I will, thanks!
sup man! thanks for your video!
i'm currently trying to get fry with false cord activation + arytenoids. now, i can do false cord screams so i know how to activate my false cords, but when i try the cough, i'm almost pretty sure that what i'm activating is epiglottis (like slam technique). do you have any idea on how i can tell the difference?
False folds + fry is a killer combo :D Coughing is pretty extreme thing to do, for me it's too harsh and doesn't deliver the proper placement. Clearing of the throat while using the support is much more precise and efortless (if done properly, too much force or too much air or lack of the support will do no good).
From what I feel and hear, epiglottis gives more rough and not so "smooth" sound as false cord. If the sound is "lumpy", kind of a "creaky" and harsh at the same time, it's more like epiglottis, false cors is smoother (not as smooth as fry scream but smoother than epiglottis), it also requires lesser effort and for me more comfortable.
Thanks for the tutorial!!! Do you know how to make it lower ? 😮
Yes but it usually takes more time and practice. It's very easy to use too much breath, transist into a death growl or cause a discomfort (too much breath or too much tension).
What helps me and my students is practicing with the syllable "whoa" and repeating it gradually lower (we imagine that we turn circles that are bigger and directed lower with each repetition - it helps to gradually lower the larynx and lift the soft palate which darkens the voice, which makes it sound lower but it also makes it easier to lower the actual pitch of the sound). Practicing with intervals like minor second, major second or minor third helps as well. You start with a higher sound, e.g. C#3 and you go from it to C3 or B2,or A#2, and then you go from C3 to B4 or A#2 or A2, depending on the interval you use.
My family was very confused and concerned with he weird noises coming from my room while I practiced this :D
I remember that when I was recording this video, my neighbours were knocking the door because they wanted me to turn off the driller because their baby is sleeping :D
@@sibilaextremevocal LOL
if I feel my throat it helps me shift where I'm making thr sound from
Mongol girls will fall at my foots when they will hear me!!
I feel tingling in my throat and i cough everytime
Then it can mean that:
1. The source of distortion is not precise enough,
2. You push too hard from your throat or chest (too much air or too high air pressure),
3. The breath support needs improvement.
It would be easier to tell what exactly is going on if I had a chance to listen to your vocals.
If you want to, we can practice that.
@@sibilaextremevocal yes I wanna practise that and thanks for telling the mistakes
Awesome, feel free to write to me on Facebook or email (xvocalcenter@gmail.com). :)
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Having trouble producing the overtones with the throat sound at the same time but I could do it with a normal tone. I am a bit congested tho
King
Thanks for the video.
Is it normal that I have the urge to cough, when i try to find the grit?
Have a nice day!
Hello! Urge to cough means that something got irritated, probably vocal folds and/ or the area few cm below the larynx. It usually happens when:
1. We aim for too loud or intense sound,
2. Breath support is not engaged enough,
3. The placement for the distortion isn't precise.
Sometimes all of those things are present at the same time.
It's important to do even a basic warm up to set the voice and get ready for heavuer stuff like finding the distortion. Feel free to check out the video called Metal Vocals Warm-up Part 2 on this channel. There are some useful exercises I do everyday to warm up my voice and to keep it healthy.
Been trying this technique for several days and each time my throat is irritated. It dries out and I can't seem to get it moisturized filter out the day it burns. Sometimes I do it a little bit before I go to sleep it's usually irritated or something is swollen I don't do it for very long sometimes even in the shower. Is it normal for your throat to be irritated or kind of sore when you first start practicing this style of singing. Am I doing this right or is it basically a conditioning of The Voice and it will eventually go away? Thank you so much for your time really enjoyed your tutorial
Hello! From what you wrote, it seems like the discomfort is more intense than in case when voice needs some time and practice to adapt to the new skills and sounds. Sometimes doing a correct sound but with too high intensity too early also makes it uncomfortable.
To tell what exactly is happening and if your technique is correct, it would be necessary to listen to your attempts. Feel free to send me a short recording on email - xvocalcenter@gmail.com, I will do my best to help!
When I do this I usually feel it on the right side of my adam's apple than the left. If I turn my head I sometimes get it on left but then as I move it may go back and forth? Is it normal to only get in on one side vs. both evenly? I wonder if something in my throat structure is unbalanced.
EDIT: I just got it on both sides evenly and it was the best feeling, sound, resonance... but it's hit or miss for me to get it on both vs. one side or other. Hopefully I can get past this complication with more practice.
Hi! Vocals are mostly about balance, so it's great you managed to bring that sensation equally to the both sides.
It's good to observe if the support works correctly or maybe if we compensate too little support with muscles in our neck or throat.
It's very common that when we use muscles in neck or throat, there is a tension only on one side of the throat/ larynx or neck. For some people it's a little discomfort, for some it's painful, but for some it feels neutral. No matter if it feels good or not, such tension is not a healthy thing so you can observe if you feel that you compensate the breath support with your throat or neck. If not, then awesome, if you feel too much tension, especially on one side of your throat/ neck, then you can focus more on engaging your breath support.
@@sibilaextremevocal I practiced a lot more yesterday and the problem mostly went away. A good exercise was doing false cord in staccato and also humming a vowel clean and activating false cords over it on and off in order to get the muscle memory down. It helped with my activation and has made it more balanced.
I can do false chord but my question is
What minor tweak do you make from false chord to fry?
Like how to go from false to fry
The biggest difference is the engagement of the true vocal folds - while fry screaming they connect a bit more and they are responsible for the fry distortion.
False chord distortion is created by the false vocal folds so technically those are two different mechanics. Kargyraa can be useful both for learning fry scream and false chord because it's like in the center between each of the techniques (distortion for singing, fry scream, false chord can be learnt by using throat singing in different ways, changing the proportions between how your true or false vocal folds engage).
Here's a tutorial about using kargyraa for learning fry scream:
th-cam.com/video/ALhYjTAsFuo/w-d-xo.html
Here's another video that can be helpful:
th-cam.com/video/u0CCwBMwtoE/w-d-xo.html&t
There are more videos, actually a whole playlist dedicated only to fry scream so in case if you needed more exercises, feel free to check it out!
Nothing to do with the video but HOLY FUCK you're handsome
Maybe someone here can help me: I have been practising for weeks now and I can't get the vibration done. :( It is really frustrating to read comments like: "It took me five minutes".
I don't know what I am doing wrong, but I can't even get past the "engine rev'ing"-level. If I clear my throat I just get this short burst of vibrations but I cannot "play" with it.
If someone could help me I'd appreciate it, I really want to learn this technique.
Hi! Some people learn it a little bit longer and that's totally normal. Usually those who have experience in singing with distortion or using false chord technique learn kargyraa much faster than others but still there are many people who need even few months to nail it, and that's ok.
Do you have any recording? If so, feel free to send me it on email - xvocalcenter@gmail.com - I'll do my best to help!
I enjoyed your tutorial, but after practicing for the first time I’m experienced an inflamed ulvulva, it’s like a sore throat but higher, which clearly means my technique was wrong, although I felt like I was following everything correct. I’m also learning to learn for 1.5 years so I know breath support.
What are some things to really pay attention to? I guess one thing would be to take it slower and bring awareness to my throat to make sure no pain or tingling is there. I didn’t really feel much when I was practicing but perhaps I went too hard too fast? 🤔
Hello! Inflamation in the area of uvula can mean a couple of things. Check if any of those might be related to your practice:
1. Too high intensity too early (specific tissues have to gradually adapt for enduring making different sounds and noises) or too high intensity overall (it would be uncomfortable even if you had enough experience),
2. Too high placement for the distortion,
3. Aiming for too loud or too high pitched of kargyraa,
4. Mix of everything.
Once the voice finds a proper position for the resonance and distortion, it turns out that kargyraa doesn't require as much effort as it may seem in the beginning.
@@sibilaextremevocal Thanks bro. I was thinking it was good to have it at a higher placement and away from my larynx so was actively trying to push the resonance further forward. Also, I have no experience with this, so I probably always did a little too much. Appreciate your very detailed response. I'll be getting your course shortly!
Thank you, in case of any questions, feel free to write to me anytime - I will do my best to help! My email is xvocalcenter@gmail.com
Which as far as I know, you not using twang to overtone, but nasality, and then position your tongue against the the roof of your mouth, with shaping your lips like "eeuuuueeeuuuu"
Cmiiw, that's how i do overtone personally, so idk how's the right technique
There's twang too. Twang can be achieved both with and without nasality. Here it's combined with a lot of nasality.
Will you do more thrust singing advice videos?
Hi! I will :) I plan to record a material about khoomei once I will master it on a satisfying level (I was always more into kargyraa).
@@sibilaextremevocal I'm struggling to get the technique so any would is appreciated. Do you offer private lessons?
Sorry for late reply, this month is one of the busiest this year.
Of course, I will gladly practice vocals with you :) Contact me on email - xvocalcenter@gmail.com
Great tutorial for people who don't speak pierogi.
:D
extreme!
My throat has bloody pain in any way trying the Kargyraa. Any bloody solution?
And is how to make the Kargryaa sound same as snore sound of those who make sound at the throat?
Hello! There are multiple probabilities:
1. The source of distortion is not precise enough,
2. You push too hard from your throat or chest (too much air or too high air pressure),
3. The breath support needs improvement.
4. Maybe your voice needs a better singing warm up.
5. There are constrictions in your jaw, root of the tongue or epiglottis etc. and they cause the discomfort.
It would be easier to tell what exactly is going on if I had a chance to listen to your vocals. If you record something, feel free to send me it on email, I will do my best to help - xvocalcenter@gmail.com
@@sibilaextremevocal Thank you so much.
Only few times among the lots of trials, I happen to have no pain and can keep the long breath.
Hope to remember how and make it more often.
I will send you the record.
when i do it, i feel my throat ripping, i've been trying to do this for over a year now, even learned khoomei and sygyt on the way
Not good! There are at least 2 options - that method is not the best for your voice (sometimes when I practice with my students, we need to try 4 or even 6 different methods before they are able to do the fry noise or fry scream) or there is maybe even one detail that determines the lack of success.
Feel free to send me your attempts for the fry with this or any other method, of course if you want to. I will gladly listen and do my best to give you a valuable feedback!
My email is xvocalcenter@gmail.com
Hi, I have a problem when I try to go lower with kargyraa, my natural speaking voice is pretty low and I think I can belt to about a D2 or C2 but can't seem to do it properly even in my speaking voice, it transitions automatically to a scream or an animalistic growl. I think my cord closure becomes a bit sloppy. Feels like I need to go a little higher than my normal voice for it to work smoothly. Any tips for that ?
Hi!
Do you have any recording? You can send me on the same email as previously.
Belting C2 is quite impressive! For me kargyraa is easier when I perform it in mid or mid-low part of the voice, usually c3 (c2 overtone is created) or b2 (b1 overtone is created). When I go lower, for example to a2 or g2, kargyraa starts to "collapse" and it sounds like something between a growl and throat singing.
Is there a difference between kargyraa and sygyt? Is it the position of the tongue and the way you achieve overtone, is it the method of projection or are they the same thing with different names?
Hi! Maybe I am wrong, but from what I've learnt sygyt has more higher, "whistling-like" frequencies and kargyraa is deeper and more "growly", it has more of the lower frequencies than sygyt (especially dag kargyraa that I present in this tutorial).
I can do a quite deep kargyraa, been able to for years but it has always hurt my voice. Never found a good technique, mind you I don't do it that often either
Sometimes one little detail can decide whether things we do are comfortable or not. It's hard to tell what is the issue without hearing your kargyraa, so feel free to send me your attempts if you want me to give a listen - xvocalcenter@gmail.com
So I'm trying to learn false chords screaming and I read that some people suggested learning kargyraa first so here I am. It's my first day trying, is it normal to feel a rasp sensation in my throat? Not pain, just a little discomforst and raspy sensation
Here are the most common causes:
1. The placement isn't precise enough and instead of using your false vocal folds, you are forcing your true vocal folds,
2. You are trying too hard and there's too high air pressure, too much air or you tighten your abs too hard,
3. Your breath support doesn't work properly which makes your voice box work too hard.
It's hard to tell what relates to your situation or if there's something else without hearing your attempts.
Just ad "Sardaukar chant" into to your title and description, and your video will explode.
Thank me later.
Thanks!
PS Do copyrights allow that? :D
@@sibilaextremevocal The expression itself isn't copyrighted at all.
You know, it's from the new Dune movie and it's becoming extremely memed. TH-cam is being exploded by Sardaukar chant memes.
Even users with a few hundred subscribers get hundreds of thousands of views on their Sardaukar chant meme videos. It's extremely popular.
You could rename your video to 'Sardaukar Chant Throat Singing Tutorial' and write a line about it in the description. Your video really is teaching the same voice technique, so it wouldn't even be a clickbait, people would be glad for the video.
Or you can quickly make a completely new one in which you show how to do the exact same chant. I am pretty sure you would get tons of views.
Quick reaction is important, it's happening right now, trends can go away in days.
I hope you don't mind my comments, I just thought your video really is awesome and useful, it would be great if more people found it.
Thank you for help, I really appreciate that!
@@sibilaextremevocal You're welcome, I hope I really could help.
I feel the gentle discomfort in my throat when I do the “clearing your throat” exercise. If I keep practicing this everyday will the discomfort go away due to strengthening of the muscle?
Hello! Pain is a clear signal that there is something important to fix in your technqiue:
1. Breathing (shallow breathing creates extra pressure on the vocal folds)
2. Posture - bad posture makes breathing shallow and creates extra tension in the whole body which lowers the quality and comfort of vocals
3. Constrictions - tight jaw = extra tension in the larynx
4. The breath support is not coordinated with the voice which shortly means that your attempts depend too much on the pressure and tension in your throat instead of being balanced with your deeper/ breathing muscles
Can you send a recording on email? xvocalcenter@gmail.com
I don’t know how to do the clearing throat technique. I don’t know what I should be feeling for
@@sibilaextremevocal Can I send you my try, plzzzz!?
I have Nodules on my vocal chords because of scar tissue Is there anyway it would be different for me because I try to sing viking chants and something just feels off I can't quite put my finger on what it is?
Hello! Personally, I would visit the phoniatrist and ask about possibilities for getting rid of the nodules (if they are soft, a vocal rehab can help, otherwise it may require a surgery). Doing vocals, especially heavier ones, while having nodules can be dangerous for the voice.
That's throat bass, beatbox sound:))
I don't know too much about beat box but in my opinion that's too high for a throat bass :D
@@sibilaextremevocal yess, it's more powerful but it's the same technique yk
@@sibilaextremevocal and that's cool
Everytime I do it with my mouth closed most of the air escapes from my nose, is it supposed to be like that? Or should all the air pressure go to the false chord out?
What works for me and some of my students is to direct the sound behind the upper front teeth or between the area of hard palate and upper front teeth.
It's an old "resonance trick" that I learnt from classical singing lessons. It helps to improve the "focus" of the sound. You can try it out firstly with clean voice and "mmm" or "nnn" sound with closed mouth.
Here is an example:
drive.google.com/file/d/1iftjwJN91Wg8JNErW53K_gxsFCa2i0hd/view?usp=sharing
I can pretty much do the sounds but i get a slight itch in my throat afterwards. Am i doing it incorrectly or is it just me being a smoker?
There might be a couple of options:
1. you aim for too loud or too intense sound too early and your voice isn't used to it yet,
2. core muscles are not engaging enough and your larynx, throat etc. work too hard,
3. The placement for the distortion isn't precise.
Sometimes all of those things are present at the same time.
It's important to do even a basic warm up to set the voice and get ready for heavier stuff like finding the distortion. Feel free to check out the video called Metal Vocals Warm-up Part 2 on this channel. There are some useful exercises I do everyday to warm up my voice and to keep it healthy.
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