Kargyraa To False Chord Growl - Tutorial
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มิ.ย. 2021
- Here is a simple way of how you can use your kargyraa throat singing for learning OR improving your false cord technique!
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As an ex-death metal vocalist I find theses tutorials are top notch 👌 bravo to you sir I managed to throat sing with no practice (only for a second or two) I am impressed
Hi, thank you, that means for me much more than I am able to express it through writing!
It's impressive that you did the throat singing without any preparation, awesome!
PS I will gladly listen to your band if it's possible
I've been able to do the Kargyraa voice thing as a joke with my friends for a while, and I knew I could switch it into some sort of metal scream because I remember hearing Will Ramos saying that Mongolian throat singing and metal screams are really similar. I'll be sure to practice this a lot, thanks for making this!
holy cow! im doing frys for over 10 years now and decided to give me a new challenge by learning the false chord. the throat singing technique was a booming step for me. before i saw your video, i heard that will ramos is warming himself up by throatsinging. so i figured it out kinda by myself but your confirmation helps me alot! THIS should be the technique for beginners, not the freaking barking and sighing :D
keep it up man!
Awesome, it's great you figured it out on your own!
For some of my students barking or sighing is helpful for making the very first step towards locating the false vocal folds in a comfortable way but definitely kargyraa is one of the best ways both for warming up before screaming and working on learning how to growl and scream with the false chord technique.
Personally I've learnt to growl with the sighing method but working with the kargyraa has helped me to compress my vocals more, achieve richer overtones and make the growl less breathy.
Kargyraa can be also helpful for learning the fry scream engaging false vocal folds beside the "classical" fry distortion.
I learned to scream well off the base of throat singing. Best way i can describe it is just just trying to push more air.
Thank you!
Thank you
04:20 I believe this is also a good way to approach the Frank Mullen (Suffocation) death metal vocals. Very open throat kind of thing.
Kind of "yawn screaming" in a way :)
Indeed, opened throat, dark sound color, deep guttural sound.
Your false cord highs sound awesome!
Thank you! Now they sound much better :D
@@sibilaextremevocal If you ever feel like making a cover of something off Slaughter of the Soul, don't hesitate 😉
I think the key for me on my growl was learning simply do Kargyraa and cut the voice back to get just the echoey crackling of false cord and then use a little more air and then add voice back and sing through that. If I'm ever in a rut I turn back to this to get my body back in shape and nail the false cord again. Thanks for this video it helped so much and is probably one of the best / most under watched videos on false cord that is essential IMO. The only thing I can suggest in future is to do something like this again but focus on the part in the last minute when you go from breathy false cord noise into scream/growl singing more.
Like you can show how you can do it quietly or loudly and with different intensity of screaming through that breath. A lot of time was spent on showing just the breath with no singing and explaining how to sing through that breathy sound is really key but is only shown at the last minute. Maybe people miss that part but it is key.
I am glad you found the video useful! Also thank you for such a detailed and constructive feedback - I will definitely come back to this topoc with an "updated aproach" to make a better material!
I know that I spent much time on what you mentioned, it was because of my students struggled with it the most, and once that part was good, next step were much easier to make.
@@sibilaextremevocal Oh, very interesting! Since I had done this on my own I don't know what are the most common struggles for others. That makes sense and I appreciate all your videos. I am always looking to improve and find new exercises or approaches to extreme vocals.
I considered sending my vocals in but never got around to it. Not sure how long you are going to be doing that but maybe one day I will send anyway. I've never done lessons but spent about 2 years practicing for fun.
Thanks to your videos now I just have fun with it and imitate different singers. Like I can do Mother North Satyricon style or Ghost of Perdition Opeth style, even Monochromatic Stains from Dark Tranquillity. It's fun to imitate different singers.
Damn, this is a decent achievement for only 2 years of only own practice, cool! I will gladly listen to your vocals once you decide to send me some of your stuff :D
@@sibilaextremevocal Thanks, but maybe it sounds like karaoke when I do it, I don't know if I'm that good....LOL! Never had any outside feedback as I typically practice only when everyone is out of the house, ha ha. I'll try to record a few things next week when I'm alone and have time and send over. Unfortunately i have no equipment so I'll likely just use my phone...
When I was starting with vocals in 2012 I had to "borrow" my mother's phone (Nokia 6020 from around 2004 xD) but still it was pretty useful :D
I was taking it without her knowing. She learnt that I do vocals few years later when I already had 2 bands and played a couple of gigs but that's another story.
02:30 Pretty sure this is the key to the legendary Corey Taylor (Slipknot) "Iowa" era scream.
He even does this in certain parts of songs on the "Iowa" .
I think Corey took his voice to a very extreme level and he was literally yelling and screaming in the most intense way possible but if someone wanted to develop a similiar sound in a healthy, then that exercise at 2:30 would be a good start.
@@sibilaextremevocal AMEN !
@@sibilaextremevocal finally someone that agreeds he was straining too much!!
If I do this, I just get a monstrously deep, almost voiceless, kargyraa sound. I'll record it one day - sounds hilarious
I am very curious how it sounds. The description reminds me a bit of a growl.
Any update on this?
06:04 sounds like Tompa from AT THE GATES :)
So sick !
Damn, it does :D
Around 5:25 or so... You mention adding voice back IN to the growl, but isn't that counter productive to taking the voice OUT from the Kargyraa tone? I can already do the sort of basic growl like you around 5:32, but I'm just trying to learn as much as I can here.
This video is pretty old and I learnt a lot of new things so now I would describe it a bit differently. The general idea is ok but I would use different words.
In order to change the dynamics of the false chord, for example transform a growl into a scream, it's necessary to use a different setting of the voice. It's not about blending your clean voice with the growl to get a scream but more like changing the setting of your voice (the shape of the vocal tract, e.g. position of the palate, shape of the mouth etc.) - making it more aggressive, open and sharper, to open your mouth as if you want to bite something, and it's easier to change the setting of the voice by using a clean sound, and then replace the clean sound with the false chord (while keeping this more open, aggressive setting).
It may look like this: finding a setting of the voice that delivers a more shouty, open and aggressive sound of your clean voice -> using this setting for performing the false chord (you use the same shape of the vocal tract, position of the palate, shape of mouth etc. but you replace your clean voice with the false chord, and you add more support from the core muscles because screaming requires more energy than the clean sound) -> false chord scream.
In practice it's much easier and more intuitive than when you read about this.
Hi, I'm practicing False chord scream in Japan.
Thank you very much for making a video on the very useful approach to change from Kargyraa to False Chord Scream.
I'm practicing the same way as in the video, but I can't transition from Kargyraa to False Chord Scream without shouting out loud all at once, is that normal for beginners?
Is that normal for beginners? Does everyone have to shout loudly to change from Kargyraa to Scream?
Or is it that when I get the hang of something, I can transition to Scream with a low volume voice, and I haven't gotten the hang of it yet?
There is no useful Scream Tutorial in Japan and I find it very helpful.
If you don't mind, I'd appreciate a reply.
(I'm sorry if the text is hard to read since I'm using automatic translation, and I can't listen to English well, so I'm sorry if the video already mentions what I asked.)
Hi! I am happy to hear from you :)
Feel free to send me a recording with your vocals, it will be easier to help you - xvocalcenter@gmail.com
@@sibilaextremevocal Thanks for taking the time to do this!
I've sent you an email! Please take a look when you're free!
Awesome, I will read it now and listen to your samples!
3:10 I don't understand the last 3d step. After loosing kargyraa, where do you project air?
I think that for the type of vocals used in Clockwork by Chelsea Grin (according to your comment under another video), what will help you more is a tutorial about kargyraa to fry scream.
Kargyraa is taken to the vocal break, vocal folds relax a bit and they start to create the fry, additional distortion is created by the false vocal folds which are active during the kargyraa.
th-cam.com/video/ALhYjTAsFuo/w-d-xo.html
I have difficulty in isolating my desired harmonics when transitioning to a false chord, when it is quite easy for me to do when in full khargyraa voice.
Is this a feature of the false chord, or am I doing something wrong? I isolate harmonics by transitioning through the vowel mouth shapes, in order to feed the desired wavelengths back into themself so as to boost that particular harmonic. I basically double up on my third, fifth, seventh or ninth, or even on my 0Mj, reduced by one octave in one specific instance, by use of a carefully selected echo chamber, if that makes sense. Can I do this with a false chord, or is it intrinsically a separate technique with no recombination possible?
I think it should be possible but the most important thing is to stick with a proper activation of the false vocal folds because they are the soure of distortion. If you have any recordings of your practice, feel free to send me them on email - xvocalcenter@gmail.com
Ok but how do you "drop" the voice from the kargyraa? Do you just exhale more? Whenever I try I feel like I just push too hard and it sounds like garbage
You simple relax your vocal folds which feel like "letting go" your clean voice. When you do it, more air os flowing and the sound feels more relaxex and "open".
Hi. Thank you for the tutorial. I’m a woman practicing for about 1 year now and I still don’t understand what I’m doing. When I watch some videos of Mongolian woman singing « Kaargyra » it sounds like when someone imitates a motorbike engine, or when you juste wake up and say « mmmmh ». According to my phone, this create a sound 1 octave below my natural voice. I can easily switch it on and off while speaking or singing. But... I also watched a video of an italian woman « throat singing » and it was very deeper, and extremely sounding like « Kargyraa » men singing. When I try it, it is more difficult, It makes me cough, and I have to cough to find the right sensation. I have to place my throat in a different way to get that sound. But this is called Kargyraa too and what you are doing right here. So my question is, what’s the difference between the first throat singing I described and the second ? Is there a name for that first one ? Or is it naturally how men sings ? Why is it called Kargyraa on some women video ? Because it is really not the same thing. I don’t know if you can help. Thanks !
Hi!
The first one seems to be a subharmonic singing and/ or khoomei where the clean voice is combined with a vocal fry and an octave lower note is "produced". If sound is more smooth and clean, it's rather subharmonic singing, if the sound has more grit, then it's rather khoomei.
The second one, for example the one in my video is based more on using the false vocal folds which are a little bit above the true ones and they are responsible for the distortion and a "motorbike" or a "driller" sound.
That's my guess but it would be much easier to tell for sure if I had a chance to listen to those recordings you have mentioned.
@@sibilaextremevocal thank you so much ! I actually did a video I post on comments to find people to help me. If you could listen that would be so great because I don’t find tutorials for women. Thank you 🙏🏼 th-cam.com/video/iGg2LkoBwUg/w-d-xo.html
Hello! I am watching the video now. The "coughing" sound you described is forceful, if I did it, I am sure it would hurt. It sounds like you don't engage your false vocal folds precisely but create a "cookie monster" effect which is caused by tightening muscles around the larynx and epiglottis for making a distortion. It can be harmful, especially if done in such a forceful way.
From what I hear it would better if you used more support and focused relaxing your throat while making the "clearing of the throat" or a "driller" sound.
That would be a foundation for kargyraa I am showing in my tutorial.
I am continuing to watch your video
The "under tone" you talk about is called a subharmonic singing. I've described it earlier.
That creaky effect on the "american" way of speaking is called a vocal fry. It can be useful for getting the subharmonics, raspy voice, relaxing the vocal folds and learning the fry scream technique.
When you present your subharmonic singing, there is a little bit too much pressure on the sound, it can create constrictions and discomfort. It's important to find a sweet spot where sound is "full", confident but at the same time pretty open
The third thing sounds like a polyphonic overtone singing. Maria Hefele uses it very well. She has a tutorial about that too.
You sound pretty good but I hear that your voice is moved back a little, it's often caused by moving back the root of the tongue. It can create discomfort such as tension in the back of your tongue or a sensation of scratchiness in the throat.
dude, i recently realised the reason why my screams don't sound that good, and I've learned a basic kargyraa after watching your tutorial. But now the problem I have is I can't make the transition. I don't know how to let go of my voice without shutting up completely, help pls
Hello, do you have any recordings? It will be easier to to help!
Hello, i just want to know, i learn false cord but i can't do it for more than 5 seconde can you help me??
Sorry for my english i'm french
Hello, there are few things that might help and I will record a video, maybe even this week covering this topic.
@@sibilaextremevocal okay thanks
got that technique but the problem I am facing is that I lose my breath pretty soon and cant sustain it for longer
Feel free to send me a recording with the kargyraa to false cord transition, maybe I will be able to help :)
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@@sibilaextremevocal yeahh cool
It is very energy consuming but you can improve your endurance by working on stuff like "breath of fire" a little bit each day, good cardio, yoga/breathing through the nose, etc.
Honestly breathing exercises and cardio are thr best options, overall health affects screming too
Ok, but how do I sustain it for longer? I can hold it for max 4s
That's a common thing and it requires a constant practice. More specifically, it's about:
1. Trying to sustain the sound a bit longer each time you practice,
2. Looking for ways to compress (narrow) the sound to let out lesser amounts of air with the sounds that you create,
3. Figuring out what level of volume, intensity and "pitch" seems to work the best for holding the longest sounds.
Working on increasing the length of sounds made with your singing voice can also help you to manage your support and airflow more efficently.
When I was practicing the longest growls, I could hold it for 12 seconds. Now I don't practice it anymore and I can hold it for barely 6-7 seconds because if I want to hold a long sound, I do it with a fry scream (low scream or guttural) or something that people call the "mixed drive" or "hybrid scream" which is simply a fry scream started from the kargyraa throat singing or distortion for singing that engages the false vocal folds. Btw. I have a couple of tutorials about engaging the false vocal folds for the fry scream and screaming lower.
I don’t understand “relaxing our voice” I have kargyrra easily but no matter what I do it still sounds like kargyrra
You simply let your voice to disappear, sounds becomes lighter and more opened but faster. The core muscles also engage more.
By relaxing the voice (or making voice disappear) try going from full voice kargyraa to a whispering through the kargyraa, that should switch the kargyrra to a growl. The voice does not fully disappear, but it becomes less prominent compared to the false cord distortion. Once you have the growl you can work making it louder and more powerfull by opening your mouth wide and almost shouting through that relaxed voice growl. I saw a video with Alissa White-Gluz of Arch Enemy teach someone to growl by just having them shout through a whisper, that's when it clicked that the transistion from kargyraa to growl is going from full voice to a whisper, and then learning to shout through it.
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