Thank you very much for this comprehensive test. I'm glad I waited for the AMD model. It is wonderfully quiet and a real endurance runner in everyday use. Compared to its predecessor, the Zenbook AMD, the battery lasts forever. I no longer have to carry a charger with me ;)
I'm getting cloe to pulling the trigger on this exact machine and I'm excited to transition from a couple of well loved HP Elitebooks that fully lack the touch typing of what I hope are one of this tool's luxuries...Lenovo seeks to have a deep supply of them now and there are getting less expensive...
Been using it for 2 weeks now and it's amazing. Will be my full time machine for the next 4 years or so easily. Do not sleep on the 2.8k matte screen - it's by far the best screen I've seen on a laptop. Great brightness, color, resolution and unlike macbooks - there's no glare so you can actually enjoy all of these specs!
To me it seems like required scaling adds another layer of complication I don't want to get into. Great for media consumption but not that great for text stuff. What do you think?
I just upgraded from EliteBook 5850U to EliteBook 835 G10 7840U with 32GB and Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, came out about USD1,650 with 5G/LTE, and it is nice, everything working out of box on Linux (Opensuse Tumbleweed); just wish it had 60-70Wh battery. I was looking into X13 or T14s as comeback to ThinkPad but went with EliteBook - availability, price and more silent operation.
T14 Gen 4 does have USB4 with Thunderbolt support, unlike Gen 3, although it's on just one of the two USB-C ports, while the T14s Gen 4 has USB4 on both USB-C ports.
Thanks! Great review 👌 Would love to see a comparision between T14s Gen 4 and X13 Gen 4. Configuration seems much the same, but would love to hear your thoughts on size difference, build quality, heating, fan noise, speakers.
I have the same laptop at a very similar config, with a 1TB NVME. The screen on in this config is still very good at 100% SRGB, way more than anyone would need for a portable workstation. The upgradable 2.8K screen is really overkill for a 14" workstation.
For me it is too small. I purchased ThinkPad P16s wi12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1270P 2.20 GHz one year ago. It had a big problem with RAM almost 6 months, until Lenovo fixed the BIOS and since that time works perfectly. The processor is 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1270P. I am impressed how fast and performant is it!
Just ordered one of these today to upgrade from my indestructible T450s and I'm very excited to feel the difference in the basic form factor I already like so much
@@MashITTech *Macbooks come with global warranty. Does Lenovo offer International warranty on their business laptops (T,P and X series) as well? Like, if I buy one of these in the UK and move to Singapore for work - would my laptop be covered in Singapore?*
Good review mate, thanks. I'm contemplating to get this model as a secondary laptop. Lenovo does make top-of-the-line laptop. I'm currently using 10th gen i7 32gb X1 Carbon. It is the lightest, coolest, fastest, most stable laptop with around 18 hrs battery life with heavy usage (4-5 resource intensive apps running 24x7). And I never manually restart my laptop since the day I received it. Best business laptop I ever used.
I saw that during the SSD test you got a Read speed of 3300 MB/s and a Write speed of 2750 MB/s. And the question is: if I take the Samsung 990 Pro, will I be able to get its full potential on this laptop (read/write up to 7450/6900 MB/s)??
Shame that it maxes out at 32GB RAM. 64GB is an overkill but it's such a well put together laptop that future proofing it would be great. Thanks for the review - waiting for mine to arrive!
CPU is by far the fastest aging component... Future-proofing in general is a fool's errand. You get maybe 10% longer life but pay twice for the device. We just have to hope that future Lenovo's don't lose much more in terms of build quality!
@@todorkolev7565 I disagree with you on CPU. It doesn't matter as much as people think it does. You can easily still work with 4-5 year old CPU though good luck getting anything done at 8GB or even 16GB (without swap or zram) these days. Desktop applications grow in RAM much faster than in CPU use. Most of CPU bound tasks that aren't video games bottleneck at software level not hardware too.
Looks like a nice machine, but having a soldered wifi card is a deal breaker for me. I use Linux, and I've lost count of the number of times I've had to swap out laptop wifi cards (due to the cards not playing nice with Linux). Looks like I'll be getting a HP EliteBook 845 gen 10 instead (even though it doesn't have the T14 battery life). Also, I wish these companies would bump up the displays to 90Hz or even 120Hz. 60Hz is so... yester-year 😄
@@maximer1017 That's tiny. The 7840HS discharges at about 10W, so you would be lucky to get 5 hours when idle (doing absolutely nothing). You're looking at around 3 hours of browsing time.
The point I would like to bring to notice is that display can be drastically improved however audio quality is dosent meet the expectations in some model audio quality is really good.
How's the fan noise when browsing the web (5-10 tabs opened) or watching 4k youtube videos? Do the fans kick in? This would be the most useful test for me :)
if you put it in the quiet mode fan noise is pretty much non existent! Have been surfing with multiple heavy browsers and also watching TH-cam but usually 1440p or 1080p as my net is crap here :(
I really love amd's phoenix apus! In addition to the best igpu around 780M in them, they also have an AI accelerator included but unfortunately I've never actually seen a test or something on what those FPGA chips can actually do and how well. I wonder have you heard of anything in that regard?
Thank you so much for this fantastic review! The video quality, presentation and content are simply outstanding !! Please keep up the good work. Quick question, how did you manage to get the price down to £935? The best I am able to do here in the UK with the spec presented is get a 13% black Friday discount which drops the price to: £1315
hey man, any opinion on this one's 16 inch version and if these laptops are good options for programmers who run web server + code editors among lots of apps in the background like browsers with many tabs, or would you recommend a more consumer laptop for personal use, like the lenovo exclusive Yoga Slim 7 Gen 8 AMD with an exclusive 7840S that sits between the U and HS chips, with excellent build, display, keyboard and amazing speakers? Although that is only available on 14 inch, do you think doing text work on 14 inch 16:10 display is viable? Also, do you know what the differences are between P14/16s and T14/16s? I literally saw no difference besides more fan noise on the P series. Are they allowed to run more power and heat?
@@likeablebiker64GB RAM is an option on the P14s, not on the T14s (max 32GB). T14s is lighter, and made of better materials (smooth case). P14s is rubber type casing, heavier, thicker. Are the negatives of the P14s worth the extra 32GB of RAM? That is the ultimate question.
Hello, I really like your review, but I have a small dilemma that is whether I should choose T14s gen4 or wait for the 14th generation Core X1 carbon in 2024, both of which are very light in my opinion. What differences do they have in your opinion? What are your expectations for the new X1 carbon?
I would recommend waiting if you can, the new intel CPUs seem to be a big step forward though I have to wait until mid December to be able to test them. As soon as they launch we should see the x1 range updated
@@MashITTech @bowenx1847 I suggest you take a look at the latest episode from MLID, specifically from ~7mins 10s in. The performance of the upcoming Intel chips are so disappointing that major OEMs are finally saying enough is enough. This is very encouraging news as while the T14/14s is a good effort from Lenovo (Gen 4 sounds good, assuming their USB ports work properly with Gen 4), you get the sense it's still not up to being their premium/tier 1 business standard. So with the disappointing performance from the latest Intel chips (which were already kinda of a bait n switch anyhow as while their performance was strong, they can't hold it long before thermal throttle kicked in), the focus and investment to deliver T1 AMD based laptops from major OEMs should become a reality. Personally, I'll being looking for an AMD based replacement for my X1 Yoga G2...
Thank you very much for the review. I have the problem with some Thinkpads that although they are quiet when they are just running, they get quite hot and noisy as soon as they are connected to a Thinkpad docking station. Of course, I have updated all systems to the latest version. You could include the behavior on a docking station in your test. Thank you for reading this.
I do test them on my PD monitor which in theory should bring it to the same temps. When using this one on my PD monitor although the fans spun up slightly more often it didnt get hot
@@MashITTech Thank you very much for the quick answer. :) Noise and heat are the most important factors for me. I work with Linux because it's quieter and faster. I usually undervolt and underclock the devices and set the fans manually. I've a Thinkpad Extreme. The fans are always off. Temp is 33 °C at normal load.
I've used t480s for nearly 10 years. I've been swapping parts and upgrading them so I have tons of spare parts. Now I can only find them refurbished :/ I guess I'll have to start over
This brand especially thinkpad just reminds me of Auto-CAD and design class back in high school everyone wanted this one cuz the accuracy of the lil red dot.. lol.
hey again! Currently I am looking at this on sale for about 1200 euros after tax (32GB), or wait for the much improved Ryzen AI / Core Ultra 200 especially in terms of efficiency.. What do you think?
Great review as usual. Thanks. What do you think about this in comparison with the x1 carbon 11G? Still can’t decide between the two: price difference is substantial and not sure is worth for basically a slightly smaller for factor…
I would take this one every time, Ryzen performs so much better. If you are not in a rush you might want to wait until mid December until the new intel range launches, they are a complete change in architecture and a big boost to gfx! No doubt as soon as they drop Lenovo will update the x1 range
Thanks for your replay. About the black colour, can you tell if with this gen 4 Lenovo went back to the old “deep black”? Still not clear to me… can you confirm that this year colour is actually same as x1c and x1 nano? Thanks
It's a fantastic laptop, but I'm having a bit of trouble with the LED lights. Is there a way to disable the LED on the laptop lid and the one by the power button?
@@MashITTech Yes, I often work in low-light conditions, and the LED lights can be distracting for those around me. Also, when I'm trying to watch a video in the dark, the bright white indicator light next to the power button can be quite annoying. I believe a high-quality laptop should give users the option to disable features they don't need.
Give this a try as it used to work last time I tried it (on a t14 gen 3): github.com/valinet/ThinkPadLEDControl I will also test it tomorrow if you dont get a chance
Hi I am wondering what's the best for a laptop premium with AMD very well built, reliable and confortable, with good display (not necessary oled but with not too much reflects), good battery, good speakers, good webcam (for work) nice options and efficient (not too fan noise and not too hot) I need at least amd ryzen 7840u or hs, 32 or 64 RAM Between: T14S, P14S, Yoga slim 7, X13 gen 4 or Z13 gen 2? (or other models?) I am also considering HP Zbook Firefly 14 G10 A with Ryzen 9 pro 7940HS, 64 DDR5 5600Mhz and good display but only battery of 51w Price between 1000 et 2200e What advices can you give me? thank you very much
Buy HP or Framework, the rest of the brands use unupgradable soldered memory. You can save money by getting Ryzen 7 7840HS instead of Ryzen 9 7940HS, these chips are the same, and performance difference due to clock speeds is 2-5%.
So nice! -- QUESTION -- One thing we don't understand, what "port" is needed to have one cable connect to a docking station which is hooked up to dual monitors, a keyboard and a mouse (which I use at office but want to replicate at home) AND also powers the laptop. Is that called a USB or is it a thunderbolt or what is that port called. Please be specific as I keep getting different answers on Google. Some say USB C. some say USB 3.1 OR 3.0 some call it a thunderport or something. What must I have for a single charging AND docking station hook up - one cable and I am done. So nice and simple. Sorry to be so particular but even at my office people have no idea what it is called.
it is because they have made it so confusing! laptop has USBC or USB4. USB4 can also use thunderbolt docks and EGPUs so you can pretty much use any thunderbolt dock with 2 displays outputs. USBC is also good but doesn't have enough bandwidth for two screens. I personally only use 1 screen plus laptop so bought a Dell Ultrasharp 27" 4k monitor with USBC hub built in which includes 90w PD, 4 USBA, 1 extra USBC and RJ45! Now all I have on my desk is the monitor with keyboard and mouse plugged into it. Then it is just one cable to my laptop and I am up and running
yes. you have to keep an eye out. Hotukdeals is a good place to keep an eye on. There was a good offer over easter but its finished now. There is also student discount available through myunidays if you are a student/teacher.
either this t14s or the carbon x1. Both amazing laptops for a business environment. If your work is mostly office use get the intel version if you need slightly better 3d performance get the Ryzen.
Another worthy alternative is the cheaper P14s Gen 4 option which is a bit lower build quality and uses Intel gen 13 + Nvidia RTX A500 set. So if for some reason you need intel/nvidia (not recommended) this is basically the same laptop. Also P14s maxes out ram at 64GB instead of 32GB here.
I'm actually in the opposite boat. I ordered a P14s with 7840U / 32GB because I didn't realize the T14s was actually a different model with a slimmer chassis than the T14/P14s. Now wondering if I should return and swap for this model.
@@jakeolandt3041The P14s is almost identical to the T14 non S. In Intel firm it also has options for a low powered NVidia GPU. But in AMD form there is little difference apart from options for 64gb RAM. I have heard some people say the P14s also has a slightly higher power curve than even the T14 but I haven't seen anything to confirm it. So assume your P14s is essentially just a T14, which is a slightly thicker T14s, ethernet port, slightly smaller battery and slightly higher power curve. Do you prefer that or the slight weight and thickness reduction in the T14s?
One day, about ten years ago, my laptop Thinkpad X220 refused to boot the operating system from the mSATA SSD. At that moment, I was in a hotel in a small city in the far north, and I urgently needed this laptop to perform urgent tasks. In this situation, I simply booted a second operating system that was pre-installed on the second hard drive. Since then, I have believed that a laptop has no right to be called a “business laptop” if it does not have a second drive on which to install a second system. I have the same opinion regarding laptops without a flashlight (the X220 laptop had a flashlight «ThinkLight»), regarding laptops without a trackpoint, and, more recently, laptops without customizable backlighting for each key, laptops with matrices subject to PWM flicker. And unfortunately, not a single modern laptop fits these requirements. I hope that Lenovo will someday release something that meets all these conditions, or ASUS will overtake them if they add a trackpoint to the ASUS ExpertBook B5 Flip IPS.
In my practice, this was an isolated case, and it was not caused by the operating system. I have no complaints about Windows other than their new Start Menu. I described in my post one example of why having a second drive is important. But people's lives depend on the reliability of some laptops, and for this reason, increased fault tolerance is required from these devices. For many businessmen, it is important that the failure of the ssd during an important business meeting cannot cause its interruption, or cause the loss of at least one minute of work records. Therefore, it is important that information is continuously duplicated onto a second disk for backup. But many modern laptops do not have a second drive, and for some reason manufacturers position them as business laptops.
Totally agree!! Thinkpads have always been my choice for best made, enterprise grade, laptops. Of course, it's been quite a few years since I had to choose enterprise laptops... :-)
Hi! I have the X1 carbon gen 10 OLED screen and i kinda hate the heating issue, even just watching TH-cam or browsing the web! Would the T14s be a better choice? Thanks
Mostly on the left top corner. My profile is always on the best performance since i stay most of the time in the office connected to power. @@MashITTech
T14s or P14s? T14s is lighter, more premium materials and thinner. P14s is heavier, cheaper materials, rubber type feel to the back casing, and heavier. However P14s allows for 64GB of RAM and T14s max is 32GB... I am not sure which one to go for. Also, is the OLED worth it????
Excellent review! -- QUESTION -- Does this Ryzen version run Windows? Can it run the same software that runs on the Intel version Thinkpads? seems much faster so is there any downside?
yes, the ryzen runs exactly the same code set as intel. Runs windows 11 perfectly. There is no downside to this model at all! Intel have sat on the same technology for years (especially the onboard graphics) and ryzen has finally over taken them. The new intel core ultras coming next year are finally a new cpu and may/may not be slightly faster than these ryzen
Finally ordered the T14s and X13 (at the same time, one to keep, one to ship back). Display lottery was better in the T14s so I kept that, but also because the X13 is louder than the T14s and is missing a few keys. The X13 made some weird design choices, like they could've kept the same keyboard size as the T14s by just moving the loudspeakers elsewhere, now there is, for example, no INS key any more. I don't like how both keyboards feel. Laptop-wise I'm used to a X230 keyboard which is so much better in comparison. However, I got used to it after a couple of days and while I'll never love the keyboard, I'm almost as fast typing on there as with the much older X230 by now. As a business user/sysadmin I'd prefer they wouldn't make laptops thinner to the detriment of something they call a keyboard. I'm all for lighter laptops but I prefer function over design. Overall the T14s is a relatively good compromise if it has to be a Thinkpad; it's lighter than my X230 but still has 2 inches more screen surface (and more CPU/GPU power obviously). I'm happy with my purchase *but* it's not that clear a winner and there are other/better options out there from other manufacturers depending on what you're looking for. That being said, all other manufacturers I've heard of are basically putting out the same stuff - but I wanted my pointing stick 🙂
Yeah I get what you mean on the keyboard, my old x1 extreme keyboard was probably the best laptop keyboard I ever used. Unfortunately everyone is following the thin at all costs mantra and it’s a real shame. Still for 2023/2024 I think the t14s is hard to beat if you don’t need discrete gfx though I am looking forward to the new x1 carbon release this year with the intel core ultra processor, they might actually give amd some competition at last
Oh well you know I thought the Framework 13 AMD seemed like another contender. Found that option after purchasing the two Lenovos unfortunately. On this side of the Channel the Framework is in a similar price range (or less if you choose to DYI it), with the advantage over the T14s that I can do 64GB RAM *and* the RJ45 module is attached to the laptop (while protruding a little). If you liked the old X1 - try the X200/T400 laptops from the late 2000's - that's "sheer typing pleasure" in BMW speak 🙂 Lastly, let's see how long AMD can rest their head on the 780M iGPU, which is *the* selling point of modern AMD laptop CPUs. I even have one in my desktop (Minisforum UM790) and love it. 🙂@@MashITTech
What is the name and model of that small USB Hub (with screen) that you plug the orange cable into for the laptop...do you have a product link for it? thx
Is this device good for studies in cybersecurity installing some software in Vmware and make labs doing some pentesting or cracking wifi passwords etc as well installing windows server at vm for study purposes
I have the t15g gen2, it's a monster, I love it but I have had some reliability issues. USB-C (thunderbolt) to displayport is pretty crap and my monitors (2x 2k Dell monitors) flicker on and off sometimes. Maybe I need better cables. Also I get bluescreens occasionally, found reliability improved a bit with Windows 10 vs Win 11. Also the battery life is about 2 hours 😆, just about long enough to watch a film then it needs to be charged, might try undervolting the CPU/GPU.
CPU wise the t14 is better but the dedicated GPU of the extreme will outperform the onboard Ryzen gfx. I guess it really comes down to what you will use the laptop for
The hardware is decent but nothing exceptional, but what irks me about Lenovo laptops is that the CTRL/FN Keys are swapped (can be adjusted in the bios though) and the touchpad tends to be one overly sensitive big mouse button that gets pressed by accident all the time. Soldered on ram or ssd is an absolute no-go criterion though. Framework laptops show how its done right.
I think we have them at work (possibly an older model) and they always get hot around the usb c ports and this makes problems if you attach a docking station
I would say it is almost on par, maybe a touch bigger and heavier. IT is much better with regards to performance! Wish intel would hurry up and release the new core ultra chips!
cheers,that is very helpful! if you have access to both of these laptops,can you do a quick comparison? in terms of size, build quality and looks, I can't seems to find any content like this online@@MashITTech
I really hope Lenovo updates these with Meteor Lake on the Intel side, at least then the integrated graphics will have competition and battery life on MTL is quite strong compared to 13th-gen. 8840U isn't looking like that much uplift on the AMD side, so hopefully the choices are a bit more evened out for the Gen5.
I definitely can't get 11 hours of battery life out of mine. A mix of email, office 365, Teams calls and very light photo editing I get about 5 to 6 hours
I really hesitate between T14s and P14s since you can have 64 RAM on the P14s . I wonder what is the most premium and well built between theses 2?@@MashITTech
I disagree with the point that the trackpad feels premium. Actually according to my experience, the trackpad is NOT premium at all. I've ordered T14 gen 4 once, and T14S gen 4 twice. All these versions came with 'loose' trackpad, and I ended up returning all of them. It feels like there are large gaps between the plastic trackpad and the chassis/frame. I talked to a Lenovo engineer and he mentioned that there are a LOT of T14/14s models having this issue, which is believed to be a manufacturing error. Not sure why Lenovo does not bother fixing this issue, as it already existed from Gen 3 and now continues to exist on Gen 4 models. Other than that, nice, powerful and efficient machine, but this little loose/rattling trackpad really make the machine(s) feel very cheap. Nice review though.
Thank you very much for this comprehensive test. I'm glad I waited for the AMD model. It is wonderfully quiet and a real endurance runner in everyday use. Compared to its predecessor, the Zenbook AMD, the battery lasts forever. I no longer have to carry a charger with me ;)
I've got this one with the 400 nit low power screen, 32GB ram and 1 TB storage, fantastic device! And like you said, the build quality is impeccable.
I have the exact same spec arriving this next Friday. Replacing my T480s. Such a huge upgrade.
Exact same one? I can't seem to find this one anywhere
@@jameshuegli3534 how do you like the laptop so far?
I'm getting cloe to pulling the trigger on this exact machine and I'm excited to transition from a couple of well loved HP Elitebooks that fully lack the touch typing of what I hope are one of this tool's luxuries...Lenovo seeks to have a deep supply of them now and there are getting less expensive...
Is the microphone volume of the wired headset ok? Mine is like 0 volume even with 20db amplification
Ahh yes, another well informative content! Let's MASH IT!! All the way from PH
You are my favorite tech youtuber these days. Keep up the great work!
Been using it for 2 weeks now and it's amazing. Will be my full time machine for the next 4 years or so easily.
Do not sleep on the 2.8k matte screen - it's by far the best screen I've seen on a laptop. Great brightness, color, resolution and unlike macbooks - there's no glare so you can actually enjoy all of these specs!
How is the battery with the oled?
To me it seems like required scaling adds another layer of complication I don't want to get into. Great for media consumption but not that great for text stuff. What do you think?
Another great review! This channel rocks!
One of the best reviews ever on youtube!
thank you mate :)
I just upgraded from EliteBook 5850U to EliteBook 835 G10 7840U with 32GB and Samsung 990 Pro 2TB, came out about USD1,650 with 5G/LTE, and it is nice, everything working out of box on Linux (Opensuse Tumbleweed); just wish it had 60-70Wh battery. I was looking into X13 or T14s as comeback to ThinkPad but went with EliteBook - availability, price and more silent operation.
I have a T14S gen 2 with a Ryzen 5. I fucking LOVE it.
T14 Gen 4 does have USB4 with Thunderbolt support, unlike Gen 3, although it's on just one of the two USB-C ports, while the T14s Gen 4 has USB4 on both USB-C ports.
T14 and T14s are available with thunderbolt. The intel models have it, the AMD model don't
Thanks! Great review 👌
Would love to see a comparision between T14s Gen 4 and X13 Gen 4. Configuration seems much the same, but would love to hear your thoughts on size difference, build quality, heating, fan noise, speakers.
I have the same laptop at a very similar config, with a 1TB NVME. The screen on in this config is still very good at 100% SRGB, way more than anyone would need for a portable workstation. The upgradable 2.8K screen is really overkill for a 14" workstation.
For me it is too small. I purchased ThinkPad P16s wi12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1270P 2.20 GHz one year ago. It had a big problem with RAM almost 6 months, until Lenovo fixed the BIOS and since that time works perfectly. The processor is 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-1270P. I am impressed how fast and performant is it!
Just ordered one of these today to upgrade from my indestructible T450s and I'm very excited to feel the difference in the basic form factor I already like so much
hope you enjoy it! Let me know how you get on :)
how do you like it so far?
@@MashITTech *Macbooks come with global warranty. Does Lenovo offer International warranty on their business laptops (T,P and X series) as well? Like, if I buy one of these in the UK and move to Singapore for work - would my laptop be covered in Singapore?*
Good review mate, thanks. I'm contemplating to get this model as a secondary laptop.
Lenovo does make top-of-the-line laptop. I'm currently using 10th gen i7 32gb X1 Carbon. It is the lightest, coolest, fastest, most stable laptop with around 18 hrs battery life with heavy usage (4-5 resource intensive apps running 24x7). And I never manually restart my laptop since the day I received it. Best business laptop I ever used.
I have a soft spot for the 14" Thinkpads
Which you will recommend for graphic design and light video editing T14s or P14s? Please help me choose, thanks!
I saw that during the SSD test you got a Read speed of 3300 MB/s and a Write speed of 2750 MB/s. And the question is: if I take the Samsung 990 Pro, will I be able to get its full potential on this laptop (read/write up to 7450/6900 MB/s)??
Shame that it maxes out at 32GB RAM. 64GB is an overkill but it's such a well put together laptop that future proofing it would be great. Thanks for the review - waiting for mine to arrive!
CPU is by far the fastest aging component... Future-proofing in general is a fool's errand. You get maybe 10% longer life but pay twice for the device.
We just have to hope that future Lenovo's don't lose much more in terms of build quality!
@@todorkolev7565 I disagree with you on CPU. It doesn't matter as much as people think it does. You can easily still work with 4-5 year old CPU though good luck getting anything done at 8GB or even 16GB (without swap or zram) these days.
Desktop applications grow in RAM much faster than in CPU use. Most of CPU bound tasks that aren't video games bottleneck at software level not hardware too.
I don't think it would be overkill, with virtualisation you can easily match it/make proper use of it. So yes, that's a bid sad.
which will you prefer? MSI Cyborg 14" with RTX 4060 or this one?
Looks like a nice machine, but having a soldered wifi card is a deal breaker for me. I use Linux, and I've lost count of the number of times I've had to swap out laptop wifi cards (due to the cards not playing nice with Linux). Looks like I'll be getting a HP EliteBook 845 gen 10 instead (even though it doesn't have the T14 battery life). Also, I wish these companies would bump up the displays to 90Hz or even 120Hz. 60Hz is so... yester-year 😄
I am wondering also about the Hp zbook Firefly 14 G 10 A with AMD 9 pro 7940HS? You thin k battery would handle around 8-10h?
@@maximer1017 What's the battery size?
@@MnemonicCarrier 51w
@@maximer1017 That's tiny. The 7840HS discharges at about 10W, so you would be lucky to get 5 hours when idle (doing absolutely nothing). You're looking at around 3 hours of browsing time.
It doesnt look like a soldered wifi card. It looks like slotted m.2 card
Excellent Review! Thanks very much.
Great review - thanks! Can you give an estimate of the battery life with an OLED display?
Thanks for speakers test, for some reason not all reviews have it.
Thank you for the review, I ordered one for myself.
The point I would like to bring to notice is that display can be drastically improved however audio quality is dosent meet the expectations in some model audio quality is really good.
How's the fan noise when browsing the web (5-10 tabs opened) or watching 4k youtube videos? Do the fans kick in?
This would be the most useful test for me :)
if you put it in the quiet mode fan noise is pretty much non existent! Have been surfing with multiple heavy browsers and also watching TH-cam but usually 1440p or 1080p as my net is crap here :(
Great overview.
I really love amd's phoenix apus! In addition to the best igpu around 780M in them, they also have an AI accelerator included but unfortunately I've never actually seen a test or something on what those FPGA chips can actually do and how well. I wonder have you heard of anything in that regard?
How does compare to the MacBook M3 Pro?
Thank you so much for this fantastic review! The video quality, presentation and content are simply outstanding !! Please keep up the good work.
Quick question, how did you manage to get the price down to £935? The best I am able to do here in the UK with the spec presented is get a 13% black Friday discount which drops the price to: £1315
Keep an eye on hotukdeals, as soon as we see a good discount code or sale we post it there, Lenovo have them frequently but the current one is rubbish
Hi, what is that device on your desk at the 10:38 mark in the video?
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It's a Shargeek 170 power bank
Excellent presentation, Sir! Thanks.
Thank you :)
Nice video!! How is this compared to an X1 Carbon G10/11?
I would say the X1 is a touch lighter and more premium but this performs way way better
hey man, any opinion on this one's 16 inch version and if these laptops are good options for programmers who run web server + code editors among lots of apps in the background like browsers with many tabs, or would you recommend a more consumer laptop for personal use, like the lenovo exclusive Yoga Slim 7 Gen 8 AMD with an exclusive 7840S that sits between the U and HS chips, with excellent build, display, keyboard and amazing speakers? Although that is only available on 14 inch, do you think doing text work on 14 inch 16:10 display is viable? Also, do you know what the differences are between P14/16s and T14/16s? I literally saw no difference besides more fan noise on the P series. Are they allowed to run more power and heat?
Would you prefer this over the P14s with Ryzen 7 Pro 7840U?
They are almost identical.
@franzpleurmann2585 what is the difference between both of them
other than 64 gb ram in p14s@@franzpleurmann2585
@@likeablebiker64GB RAM is an option on the P14s, not on the T14s (max 32GB). T14s is lighter, and made of better materials (smooth case). P14s is rubber type casing, heavier, thicker. Are the negatives of the P14s worth the extra 32GB of RAM? That is the ultimate question.
10:37 May I ask what brand transparent USB docking/charging station that is you are using?
It's a Shargeek 170 power bank
What is that USB charger you used in the battery section of the video? Looks quite interesting.
th-cam.com/video/76Re9E-ZXYg/w-d-xo.html
The best review detail, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
@@MashITTech I'm waiting to review Thinkpad T14 gen 5 AMD, I hope to review it soon.
Hello, I really like your review, but I have a small dilemma that is whether I should choose T14s gen4 or wait for the 14th generation Core X1 carbon in 2024, both of which are very light in my opinion. What differences do they have in your opinion? What are your expectations for the new X1 carbon?
I would recommend waiting if you can, the new intel CPUs seem to be a big step forward though I have to wait until mid December to be able to test them. As soon as they launch we should see the x1 range updated
@@MashITTech @bowenx1847 I suggest you take a look at the latest episode from MLID, specifically from ~7mins 10s in. The performance of the upcoming Intel chips are so disappointing that major OEMs are finally saying enough is enough. This is very encouraging news as while the T14/14s is a good effort from Lenovo (Gen 4 sounds good, assuming their USB ports work properly with Gen 4), you get the sense it's still not up to being their premium/tier 1 business standard. So with the disappointing performance from the latest Intel chips (which were already kinda of a bait n switch anyhow as while their performance was strong, they can't hold it long before thermal throttle kicked in), the focus and investment to deliver T1 AMD based laptops from major OEMs should become a reality. Personally, I'll being looking for an AMD based replacement for my X1 Yoga G2...
Thank you very much for the review. I have the problem with some Thinkpads that although they are quiet when they are just running, they get quite hot and noisy as soon as they are connected to a Thinkpad docking station. Of course, I have updated all systems to the latest version. You could include the behavior on a docking station in your test. Thank you for reading this.
I do test them on my PD monitor which in theory should bring it to the same temps. When using this one on my PD monitor although the fans spun up slightly more often it didnt get hot
@@MashITTech Thank you very much for the quick answer. :) Noise and heat are the most important factors for me. I work with Linux because it's quieter and faster. I usually undervolt and underclock the devices and set the fans manually. I've a Thinkpad Extreme. The fans are always off. Temp is 33 °C at normal load.
I've used t480s for nearly 10 years. I've been swapping parts and upgrading them so I have tons of spare parts. Now I can only find them refurbished :/ I guess I'll have to start over
This brand especially thinkpad just reminds me of Auto-CAD and design class back in high school everyone wanted this one cuz the accuracy of the lil red dot.. lol.
Lenovo ThinkPad is the best laptop for work
hey again! Currently I am looking at this on sale for about 1200 euros after tax (32GB), or wait for the much improved Ryzen AI / Core Ultra 200 especially in terms of efficiency.. What do you think?
Great review as usual. Thanks. What do you think about this in comparison with the x1 carbon 11G? Still can’t decide between the two: price difference is substantial and not sure is worth for basically a slightly smaller for factor…
I would take this one every time, Ryzen performs so much better. If you are not in a rush you might want to wait until mid December until the new intel range launches, they are a complete change in architecture and a big boost to gfx! No doubt as soon as they drop Lenovo will update the x1 range
Thanks for your replay. About the black colour, can you tell if with this gen 4 Lenovo went back to the old “deep black”? Still not clear to me… can you confirm that this year colour is actually same as x1c and x1 nano? Thanks
I like to see the battery life between T14 vs T16 and the size for the student.
How compare with X1 Carbon Gen 11 ? Which one the best for business mobile and permorfance ? Tks
Fucking excellent video. I recently got a new (to me) T14 gen1 ryzen. your old video on that was key in helping me seal the deal!
thank you mate, god I cringe looking at that old video now 🤣
@@MashITTech 🤣🤣
It's a fantastic laptop, but I'm having a bit of trouble with the LED lights. Is there a way to disable the LED on the laptop lid and the one by the power button?
Do you know, I have never tried as I find them useful. Are they bothering you?
@@MashITTech Yes, I often work in low-light conditions, and the LED lights can be distracting for those around me. Also, when I'm trying to watch a video in the dark, the bright white indicator light next to the power button can be quite annoying. I believe a high-quality laptop should give users the option to disable features they don't need.
Did you check the BIOS? I will take a look when I get in the office tomorrow as I stupidly left it at work this weekend
@@MashITTech I'd really appreciate it if you could check into this. I can't seem to find a way to turn the LEDs off.
Give this a try as it used to work last time I tried it (on a t14 gen 3): github.com/valinet/ThinkPadLEDControl I will also test it tomorrow if you dont get a chance
Hi
I am wondering what's the best for a laptop premium with AMD very well built, reliable and confortable, with good display (not necessary oled but with not too much reflects), good battery, good speakers, good webcam (for work) nice options and efficient (not too fan noise and not too hot)
I need at least amd ryzen 7840u or hs, 32 or 64 RAM
Between: T14S, P14S, Yoga slim 7, X13 gen 4 or Z13 gen 2? (or other models?)
I am also considering HP Zbook Firefly 14 G10 A with Ryzen 9 pro 7940HS, 64 DDR5 5600Mhz and good display but only battery of 51w
Price between 1000 et 2200e
What advices can you give me?
thank you very much
Buy HP or Framework, the rest of the brands use unupgradable soldered memory. You can save money by getting Ryzen 7 7840HS instead of Ryzen 9 7940HS, these chips are the same, and performance difference due to clock speeds is 2-5%.
@@soonts i buy a ryzen 9 8940hs with 64 ddr5 5600 (hp zbook firefly 14 G10).
I have Question with X1 Carbon Am always facing issue with heat, is it a problem with this model?
Thank you for the video.
not if you get the ryzen version. Heat has not been an issue at all. I believe the intel versions run hotter sadly
So nice! -- QUESTION -- One thing we don't understand, what "port" is needed to have one cable connect to a docking station which is hooked up to dual monitors, a keyboard and a mouse (which I use at office but want to replicate at home) AND also powers the laptop. Is that called a USB or is it a thunderbolt or what is that port called. Please be specific as I keep getting different answers on Google. Some say USB C. some say USB 3.1 OR 3.0 some call it a thunderport or something. What must I have for a single charging AND docking station hook up - one cable and I am done. So nice and simple. Sorry to be so particular but even at my office people have no idea what it is called.
it is because they have made it so confusing! laptop has USBC or USB4. USB4 can also use thunderbolt docks and EGPUs so you can pretty much use any thunderbolt dock with 2 displays outputs. USBC is also good but doesn't have enough bandwidth for two screens. I personally only use 1 screen plus laptop so bought a Dell Ultrasharp 27" 4k monitor with USBC hub built in which includes 90w PD, 4 USBA, 1 extra USBC and RJ45! Now all I have on my desk is the monitor with keyboard and mouse plugged into it. Then it is just one cable to my laptop and I am up and running
Great review. Great price too - was it an offer on Lenovo's website? The same build today appears to be around £1350.
yes. you have to keep an eye out. Hotukdeals is a good place to keep an eye on. There was a good offer over easter but its finished now. There is also student discount available through myunidays if you are a student/teacher.
Which one would you recommend for a lighter Lenovo laptop for business
either this t14s or the carbon x1. Both amazing laptops for a business environment. If your work is mostly office use get the intel version if you need slightly better 3d performance get the Ryzen.
Another worthy alternative is the cheaper P14s Gen 4 option which is a bit lower build quality and uses Intel gen 13 + Nvidia RTX A500 set. So if for some reason you need intel/nvidia (not recommended) this is basically the same laptop. Also P14s maxes out ram at 64GB instead of 32GB here.
Oh interesting, I didn't notice that model.
I'm actually in the opposite boat. I ordered a P14s with 7840U / 32GB because I didn't realize the T14s was actually a different model with a slimmer chassis than the T14/P14s. Now wondering if I should return and swap for this model.
@@jakeolandt3041 I haven't tried p14s but I just got my t14s with the oled panel and it's really good though feels a bit of an overkill.
@@jakeolandt3041The P14s is almost identical to the T14 non S. In Intel firm it also has options for a low powered NVidia GPU. But in AMD form there is little difference apart from options for 64gb RAM. I have heard some people say the P14s also has a slightly higher power curve than even the T14 but I haven't seen anything to confirm it. So assume your P14s is essentially just a T14, which is a slightly thicker T14s, ethernet port, slightly smaller battery and slightly higher power curve. Do you prefer that or the slight weight and thickness reduction in the T14s?
One day, about ten years ago, my laptop Thinkpad X220 refused to boot the operating system from the mSATA SSD. At that moment, I was in a hotel in a small city in the far north, and I urgently needed this laptop to perform urgent tasks. In this situation, I simply booted a second operating system that was pre-installed on the second hard drive. Since then, I have believed that a laptop has no right to be called a “business laptop” if it does not have a second drive on which to install a second system. I have the same opinion regarding laptops without a flashlight (the X220 laptop had a flashlight «ThinkLight»), regarding laptops without a trackpoint, and, more recently, laptops without customizable backlighting for each key, laptops with matrices subject to PWM flicker. And unfortunately, not a single modern laptop fits these requirements. I hope that Lenovo will someday release something that meets all these conditions, or ASUS will overtake them if they add a trackpoint to the ASUS ExpertBook B5 Flip IPS.
In my practice, this was an isolated case, and it was not caused by the operating system. I have no complaints about Windows other than their new Start Menu. I described in my post one example of why having a second drive is important. But people's lives depend on the reliability of some laptops, and for this reason, increased fault tolerance is required from these devices. For many businessmen, it is important that the failure of the ssd during an important business meeting cannot cause its interruption, or cause the loss of at least one minute of work records. Therefore, it is important that information is continuously duplicated onto a second disk for backup. But many modern laptops do not have a second drive, and for some reason manufacturers position them as business laptops.
why not carry a spare with os installed in your bag.
You got the IPS, 400 nits with 100% sRGB and the display/colors still weren't great?
You need the oled model ips is shi&
@@mario-qq7bq well, if you want battery you can't really pick oled
Totally agree!! Thinkpads have always been my choice for best made, enterprise grade, laptops. Of course, it's been quite a few years since I had to choose enterprise laptops... :-)
Hi! I have the X1 carbon gen 10 OLED screen and i kinda hate the heating issue, even just watching TH-cam or browsing the web! Would the T14s be a better choice? Thanks
Where is yours heating up? The t14 ram really cool! Did you try adjusting the power profile on your x1?
Mostly on the left top corner. My profile is always on the best performance since i stay most of the time in the office connected to power. @@MashITTech
T14s or P14s? T14s is lighter, more premium materials and thinner. P14s is heavier, cheaper materials, rubber type feel to the back casing, and heavier.
However P14s allows for 64GB of RAM and T14s max is 32GB... I am not sure which one to go for.
Also, is the OLED worth it????
Excellent review! -- QUESTION -- Does this Ryzen version run Windows? Can it run the same software that runs on the Intel version Thinkpads? seems much faster so is there any downside?
yes, the ryzen runs exactly the same code set as intel. Runs windows 11 perfectly. There is no downside to this model at all! Intel have sat on the same technology for years (especially the onboard graphics) and ryzen has finally over taken them. The new intel core ultras coming next year are finally a new cpu and may/may not be slightly faster than these ryzen
Finally ordered the T14s and X13 (at the same time, one to keep, one to ship back).
Display lottery was better in the T14s so I kept that, but also because the X13 is louder than the T14s and is missing a few keys. The X13 made some weird design choices, like they could've kept the same keyboard size as the T14s by just moving the loudspeakers elsewhere, now there is, for example, no INS key any more.
I don't like how both keyboards feel. Laptop-wise I'm used to a X230 keyboard which is so much better in comparison. However, I got used to it after a couple of days and while I'll never love the keyboard, I'm almost as fast typing on there as with the much older X230 by now.
As a business user/sysadmin I'd prefer they wouldn't make laptops thinner to the detriment of something they call a keyboard. I'm all for lighter laptops but I prefer function over design.
Overall the T14s is a relatively good compromise if it has to be a Thinkpad; it's lighter than my X230 but still has 2 inches more screen surface (and more CPU/GPU power obviously). I'm happy with my purchase *but* it's not that clear a winner and there are other/better options out there from other manufacturers depending on what you're looking for. That being said, all other manufacturers I've heard of are basically putting out the same stuff - but I wanted my pointing stick 🙂
Yeah I get what you mean on the keyboard, my old x1 extreme keyboard was probably the best laptop keyboard I ever used. Unfortunately everyone is following the thin at all costs mantra and it’s a real shame. Still for 2023/2024 I think the t14s is hard to beat if you don’t need discrete gfx though I am looking forward to the new x1 carbon release this year with the intel core ultra processor, they might actually give amd some competition at last
Oh well you know I thought the Framework 13 AMD seemed like another contender. Found that option after purchasing the two Lenovos unfortunately. On this side of the Channel the Framework is in a similar price range (or less if you choose to DYI it), with the advantage over the T14s that I can do 64GB RAM *and* the RJ45 module is attached to the laptop (while protruding a little).
If you liked the old X1 - try the X200/T400 laptops from the late 2000's - that's "sheer typing pleasure" in BMW speak 🙂
Lastly, let's see how long AMD can rest their head on the 780M iGPU, which is *the* selling point of modern AMD laptop CPUs. I even have one in my desktop (Minisforum UM790) and love it. 🙂@@MashITTech
What is the name and model of that small USB Hub (with screen) that you plug the orange cable into for the laptop...do you have a product link for it? thx
Years ago I bough t480s after great reviews like this one. And hated it from the very beginning
T16 Gen 3 review pls.
Looks like you'd be the first YTber to review it 😅
the T14 gen4 also comes with two USB-C Ports aside the RJ45
can you recommend another lenovo line similar to this one (preferably cheaper) with 400 nits?
Thanks!
thank you so much :)
Is this device good for studies in cybersecurity installing some software in Vmware and make labs doing some pentesting or cracking wifi passwords etc as well installing windows server at vm for study purposes
What is the difference between Lenovo T14 and T14s?
I hope there's a review of L13 Gen 4... youtube review of that model is scarce. that redot is a huge help in my usecase.
I will see if I can get one in 👍
I have the t15g gen2, it's a monster, I love it but I have had some reliability issues. USB-C (thunderbolt) to displayport is pretty crap and my monitors (2x 2k Dell monitors) flicker on and off sometimes. Maybe I need better cables. Also I get bluescreens occasionally, found reliability improved a bit with Windows 10 vs Win 11. Also the battery life is about 2 hours 😆, just about long enough to watch a film then it needs to be charged, might try undervolting the CPU/GPU.
Got the T14 Gen3 last year with an i7-1260p. Great laptop. Will last me many many years.
how good is compared to x1 extreme gen 4? i just got the x1 and it extremely massive i might get t14 as long as the performance is equal.
CPU wise the t14 is better but the dedicated GPU of the extreme will outperform the onboard Ryzen gfx. I guess it really comes down to what you will use the laptop for
which screen was used in this battery test?
Does the full HD resolution on the 14" LCD panel make it difficult to see text at 100% scaling?
Do you ever try old version thinkpad p52 ? If you still have, can you review it, its workstation laptop, but for 2024, idk its still okay or not
How about a durability test? you and Gary attack each other with laptops and see how they hold up?
that is tempting but Gary has too much to edit atm! I can't afford for him to take time off sick
Soldered memory is a showstopper for me. Even if I pay them for 32GB memory, in 2 years I’ll inevitably want 64GB.
64 is over kill. I use a MacBook Air m2 for school and it good enough. Having more ram is overkill for business laptop 16 is enough
Same here. T480 is so easy to swap parts. Seems like Lenovo is going backwards with soldered parts
how was the wifi?
I have x17 r2 it has 64gb ddr 5 mhz ram, can i swap the 64gb ram with my new M18 with 32gb MT/s?
Isnt this the one that everyone complains about the keyboard? Which models did lenovo remove their good keyboard from ?
The hardware is decent but nothing exceptional, but what irks me about Lenovo laptops is that the CTRL/FN Keys are swapped (can be adjusted in the bios though) and the touchpad tends to be one overly sensitive big mouse button that gets pressed by accident all the time. Soldered on ram or ssd is an absolute no-go criterion though. Framework laptops show how its done right.
I think we have them at work (possibly an older model) and they always get hot around the usb c ports and this makes problems if you attach a docking station
link dock/batery ?
I saw one of those in CEX earlier today for £675 refurbished and I almost bought it 😂, I would have if I hadn't already got a new laptop recently
wow that's an incredible price!
Such a lie
@@alex34533 yeah I was lying.. there were 2 of them there
Is this similar in size to the x1?
How does it compare with the new Thinkpad X1? It looks pretty much the same
I would say it is almost on par, maybe a touch bigger and heavier. IT is much better with regards to performance! Wish intel would hurry up and release the new core ultra chips!
cheers,that is very helpful! if you have access to both of these laptops,can you do a quick comparison? in terms of size, build quality and looks, I can't seems to find any content like this online@@MashITTech
Very nice review.Alternatives to this one?
there is not many ryzen alternatives but plenty of intel versions. The nearest ryzen alternative would be the Lenovo z13
I really hope Lenovo updates these with Meteor Lake on the Intel side, at least then the integrated graphics will have competition and battery life on MTL is quite strong compared to 13th-gen. 8840U isn't looking like that much uplift on the AMD side, so hopefully the choices are a bit more evened out for the Gen5.
I am sure they will but I predict they will update the X1 carbon to core ultra first
@MashITTech Oh 100% the carbon gets it first. I could see a 165H doing well there.
yeah, I have my credit card at the ready :)
Is the fan constantly spinning when doing light tasks ? (like word, powerpoint, writing emails...)
I definitely can't get 11 hours of battery life out of mine. A mix of email, office 365, Teams calls and very light photo editing I get about 5 to 6 hours
What is that battery/charger? At 10:39
That is the new shargeek 170: th-cam.com/video/76Re9E-ZXYg/w-d-xo.html
What is the difference between this and the p14s? they look almost identical
the p14s seems to be a copy of the T14 (non s version) with different drivers. I am not sure why though
@@MashITTech sweet, thank you!
I really hesitate between T14s and P14s since you can have 64 RAM on the P14s . I wonder what is the most premium and well built between theses 2?@@MashITTech
This is the best business laptop at the moment, period
@@popokatapetl6995 better then th lenovo Thinkpad X13 amd , z13 amd or the HP ebook Firefly G10 A ?
can you do CAD with this laptop?
Does the vent on the right hand side pump out hot air? Had this on an old lenovo and dried my skin right out!
yes it does but its not a lot. I had a T480 once that was so hot I hated it, with this one I struggle to notice it
@@MashITTech Thank you, hope you are right :) Can others confirm this as well?
I disagree with the point that the trackpad feels premium. Actually according to my experience, the trackpad is NOT premium at all. I've ordered T14 gen 4 once, and T14S gen 4 twice. All these versions came with 'loose' trackpad, and I ended up returning all of them. It feels like there are large gaps between the plastic trackpad and the chassis/frame. I talked to a Lenovo engineer and he mentioned that there are a LOT of T14/14s models having this issue, which is believed to be a manufacturing error. Not sure why Lenovo does not bother fixing this issue, as it already existed from Gen 3 and now continues to exist on Gen 4 models. Other than that, nice, powerful and efficient machine, but this little loose/rattling trackpad really make the machine(s) feel very cheap. Nice review though.
Which thinkpad has USB 4 and RJ45?
The standard T14 Gen 5 has both.
Which layout of keyboard is it, with this big enter button? US, UK, can you tell me please ?
that is the UK ISO layout
Thank you.@@MashITTech