In the studio, I use a gate on a channel that has a tone generator inserted before the gate, and then the gate is being triggered through sidechain with the kick in mic. The tone generator is set to a 50/60 hz tone and i set the release and hold to how long I want that tone to decay. You can get some cool 808 type sounds or just beef up a weak kick. I use the same scenario with the snare except I use a white noise generator and set the hold/release for how long I want the tail. Having it on a separate track allows me to blend it in to taste. The snare trick was learned from Andy Wallace via Rick Beato, and the sub trick is old and basically the same as using a “sub kick” mic, but way more controlled. 👍🏼
Another benefit is the trigger is faster than the audio signal. So with just the mic signal even with a 0ms attack on the gate, you still lose a bit of transient. But the trigger signal arrives quicker and opens the gate quicker so the transient can get through even with a tight threshold.
@@danielmauric8491 Makes sense. There’s something there though, because I am using triggers to open the gate and there’s definitely more attack even with the gate at 0ms attack. Mic’s are 2” from head. Trigger is on head of course. Maybe it has to do with the triggers signal is 100% on as soon as it hits.
@@brendonwillis5438 Those 2" gives it a bit head start to open, so it does help. I just wanted to point out that trigger isn't faster by some magic, but rather by the distance difference.
So for my understanding. Does the trigger first needs to go to an e-drum module? Or does the cable from the trigger directly goes into the stagebox/pre-amp of the console?
@marioaviles9582 im assuming i would need a digital mixer? I currently have a non digitial mixer and i plug said outputs into my laptop to a recording software but i guess i need a digital mixer with the ability to tie a channel to another one?
wow, what an idea. now all i gotta do is figure out how in the heck im going to get my triggers to show up in my sidechain sources.. Midi? anyone got any insight?
You just plug it into your desk as you would any other input just don't send it to your LR bus. Most desks will let you pick any input channel to side chain from the only issue you may have is alot of drum triggers output on a 1/4 jack instead of XLR but that can be sorted with a Di box
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In the studio, I use a gate on a channel that has a tone generator inserted before the gate, and then the gate is being triggered through sidechain with the kick in mic. The tone generator is set to a 50/60 hz tone and i set the release and hold to how long I want that tone to decay. You can get some cool 808 type sounds or just beef up a weak kick. I use the same scenario with the snare except I use a white noise generator and set the hold/release for how long I want the tail. Having it on a separate track allows me to blend it in to taste. The snare trick was learned from Andy Wallace via Rick Beato, and the sub trick is old and basically the same as using a “sub kick” mic, but way more controlled. 👍🏼
Another benefit is the trigger is faster than the audio signal. So with just the mic signal even with a 0ms attack on the gate, you still lose a bit of transient. But the trigger signal arrives quicker and opens the gate quicker so the transient can get through even with a tight threshold.
It's not faster, trigger is also a mic, just inside it's enclosure. It's only faster if your mic is at a distance.
@@danielmauric8491 Makes sense. There’s something there though, because I am using triggers to open the gate and there’s definitely more attack even with the gate at 0ms attack. Mic’s are 2” from head. Trigger is on head of course. Maybe it has to do with the triggers signal is 100% on as soon as it hits.
@@brendonwillis5438 Those 2" gives it a bit head start to open, so it does help. I just wanted to point out that trigger isn't faster by some magic, but rather by the distance difference.
@@danielmauric8491 Yep, you’re correct. Didn’t think about that. Trigger is just another mic.
I work with close to 60 different bands in a years time, with more than130 shows. *THIS* is Incredible Information!!! Thanks fella's..
Amazing! Question: do the triggers require separate channels?
Yes
What Roland triggers do you use for this? It sounds amazingly simple to use.
Would love more of an in depth demonstration of using Roland Triggers to side chain the gate on drums
So for my understanding. Does the trigger first needs to go to an e-drum module? Or does the cable from the trigger directly goes into the stagebox/pre-amp of the console?
I plug the trigger into a DI box and then it goes to the desk, just like any other audio signal
The trigger itself will send a signal to the console. Don’t need a module.
@marioaviles9582 im assuming i would need a digital mixer? I currently have a non digitial mixer and i plug said outputs into my laptop to a recording software but i guess i need a digital mixer with the ability to tie a channel to another one?
wow, what an idea. now all i gotta do is figure out how in the heck im going to get my triggers to show up in my sidechain sources.. Midi? anyone got any insight?
You just plug it into your desk as you would any other input just don't send it to your LR bus. Most desks will let you pick any input channel to side chain from the only issue you may have is alot of drum triggers output on a 1/4 jack instead of XLR but that can be sorted with a Di box
Thanks! Learning a lot here
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 thanks for the great advice!!!
Are you all talking about OptoGate? Or what product is it?
Great video! Thank you !