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- Dave & Kurt spoke on the phone after Cobain arrived back from Rome in March of 1994. This would have been one of the very final times, if not the final the two would speak.
In this video i detail a time where Dave Grohl and bandmate Kurt Cobain would speak for the final time. I go in-depth on the events surrounding this time providing my own insights based on the research i have done.
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Imagine that the last words you say to your best friend before he takes his own life is "I dont want you to die, ok?"
Grohl said that to him a year (i believe) before from the actual suicide, when he went with Courney , after finishing a tour, to Las Vegas and got hospitalized because of a overdose (When Dave called him, he said "i dont want you to die, ok" and Kurt answered him that it just was a mistake, too much alcohol mixed with some drugs, "it'd never happen again")
So sad
InThe Nostalgia yes they were
Instant Success who was his best friend then?
@Leah Bradford it was a suicide
kurt was such a mood he legit woke up from a coma and instantly said “can i have a strawberry milkshake”
fr
After I overdosed I asked for Chinese food 😂
his first words was fu
@@andydudley1775 exactly after Michael Callie DeWitt murdered him for Court
Shut up
People seem to forget that Kurt's Parents abandoned him and threw him out of the house numerous times. They didn't want him. KURT'S Mother only took an interest in Kurt AFTER HE BECAME RICH AND FAMOUS.
I think that is not entirely fair. Yes, his dad was emotionally absent and abandoned Kurt for his new family. I think Kurt got along better with his mom, but Kurt was so rebellious the relationship was strained. I think Kurt's relationship with his mom in his 20s was solid. Also, Kurt's mom adored Frances and took care of her when Courtney was unable.
@@jimhim585Kurt's dad abused him a lot. Even with any little mistake and accident his dad just abused Kurt.
Don't forget to mention the fact that Courtney love, just 10 days ago before this, flew to London to watch Smashing Pumpkins, and bang Billy Corgan... yep on Kurts birthday. This is when Kurt immediately called his lawyer and said to cut Courtney out of his will, and file for divorce. just put together the puzzle and it all makes sense.
The Wedge did she really cheat on him? I always thought it was bullshit
@@Santiagopauli that wouldn't make sense though the times don't add up
I know corgan and Courtney Dated but I don’t think it was during Kurt and Courtney’s marriage
@@ryan-870 she said in montage of heck that she made the phone call to cheat on him and he found out before it happned and so it didnt but that was enough to mess the guy up i honestly stopped caring about the murder theory after i knew this
@@Santiagopauli as much as I hate and despise Courtney the pig. Kurt is definitely the father. Look at Frances and kurts eyes and most of the face specially as she got older.
Even Courtney Love’s father thinks Courtney is behind Kurt’s death.
real shit? where can i see this
Where did you read this?
it was her grandfather not her f father
me to
@@jumptrash soaked in bleach documentary
I still have the tear stained newspaper clipping from that day. After the shock came the anger, then the grief. People often forget that Courtney was also a heroin addict...a lot of fans took their anger out on her. If Dave Grohl can let it go, so can I. That said, I don't want his memory to be smeared by lousy film directors.
Not sure if he let it go or not, but he continued his life.
If Dave was that concerned he should have went to Kurt and stayed with him
@@alexfinnegan9478 Keep blaming others forever bro. Time to let go.
@@Chandlaman time to re-open the case
I'm not st all a Courtney fan. Shes shady as hell, but this comment of yours? Yes. You are right. Absolutely. Thanks for reminding me about what matters and what's left x
I had just seen him at the Salem Armory in Oregon from the 2nd row, 5 or 6 months earlier... My friend and I played mostly Nirvana music while we jammed. We heard the news during art class over a radio. my friend and I were in a small room to create some ideas for a project, and the radio was playing.... The news came over the radio. I believe it was like 10:10 in the morning. I remember the moment my friend just dropped the magazine he was holding... (I only heard Kurts name, and Nirvana... I didnt hear the rest). with his hands held wide open. I asked "what?". he told me what I barely heard. I said, "I just saw him... wtf..." Ill never forget that moment.
Courtney = end of Kurt. directly or indirectly either way involved
Yeah it’s so hard to tell tho how
He got Yokoed
She got him deep on smack
he shot himself cos of courtney
@@dospeci2586 good
Kurt and those darn strawberry milkshakes!
He liked chocolate ones too.
he said that they helped him with his stomach pain
Soft boi
Cherry flavored antacids!!
@@thugwaffle6759 Sit down and drink pennyroyal teeaaaaaaaaa
Dont leave his mom out of it either. She kicked him out and gave up on him as well!
But at least she still care about Kurt. She buy a house and give money.
@@mixmixture7049 dude she cared about him after he got rich and famous.
Yea right she cared about him lol
@@XxStonedImmaculatexX No i mean when he still childhood. He moved to house with Kurt teamate
@@mixmixture7049 oh yea, when he was really young she cared for him. Thats true!
@@XxStonedImmaculatexX Just once. Even is not directly
I agree man...and I've never heard anybody mention his parents. He was crying out for help...and I know 100% that if my kid OD'd in rome...I'd be on the first plane out there
"the lady whom i feel maternal love for can not look me in the eyes but i see hers and they are blue" i think that's about his mom don't think he was with courtney yet
well he was dating Tobi Vail maybe it was about her lol but i like to think it's about his mom
You’re not from Aberdeen. The gloom is deafening.
@@leahflower9924 that is from Paper Cuts, recorded in January 1988. Way before dating Tobi or Courtney.
If CL got him into rehab. Y is she to blame for anything. She obviously loved him or wouldn't of had any intervention
It is my opinion that in one way, or another, Courtney killed Kurt. Either she had him killed, she killed him personally, or Kurt killed himself because of her. I still don't understand why he loved her so much. That relationship alienated him from his true friends, and from his band. She was, and remains toxic. Rest in Peace Kurt. We will always love you.
i think he was so drawn ti her because they were mirroring each other in a way & certain aspects ...she gave him something he was missing
Ultimately it is none of your business
@@josephomalley1526 This is true, but I can still give my opinion on it, and if you don't like my opinion, you can give your opinion on my opinion.
She was his Yoko Ono.
in what way was she toxic to him? People want to blame Courtney as if Kurt was a little child who had no responsibility for his actions.
RIP to Kurt he would have turned 53 this year how sad. He will always be gone but not forgotten.✝️
Courtney puts on lipstick for the hospital ride photographers....nice.
She actually passed out night before, so she must have had lipstick already so the real reason maybe closer to she had to fix her lipstick.
Pat Smear
@@mickielynnsimmons5468 You mean Pat Smear tipped the press?
@Johanna_ Jelly I think the interview was in Back and forth. Pat was there. He wasn't sure to get Kurt to the hospital "under the radar" as just a normal person so the press didn't swarm in or opt for the "Kurt Cobain VIP" as he put so Kurt got rushed in and seen immediately. The trade off was the press finding out.
She wore lipstick in literally every picture back then, there's nothing weird about that.
Kurt will always be in my heart and spirit.❤️
No more music from Kurt Cobain *Dave Grohl* and Krist Novoselic.
Dave: *Makes music*
@Bruno Chudecki I know I just thought it was funny to say that. lol.
He made shity music
You are obviously talking about your life story. Don't try and make out that's isn't your life. For the fact you assumed someone's life on youtube clearly indicates the only reason you are able to talk about basement and your mom is 1. Your a child and 2. You live that lifestyle. Don't be bitter bastard all your life.
@@skatetodeath666 they made some pretty obviously great albums, its hard to make more than 2 consistently great albums so go listen to your dream theater or deathmetal (i like both but im not a elitist like him) bc its so more complicated and ''advanced'' than measly old foo fighters even though conveying perfect emotions in music is harder than making technical songs.
Steve I like foo fighters songs like all my life my hero
I think that the problem with Courtney isn't that she wasn't there for Kurt but that she was there for too long
1:20 that’s something I would ask for if I woke from a coma
Pfft if I woke from a coma I’d be asking for an entire buffet
He had stomach issues and would use strawberry milk to soothe it because he thought it would “coat” the insides of his stomach. So maybe why he asked for a strawberry milkshake
@@noelopez6551 strawberry milkshakes were his favorite
i would be depressed that my long ass dream wasnt real
And a burger😌
A parent leaving you during childhood does really mess your head up. I'm pretty sure it's one of the main causes of my cyclothymia. Childhood trauma is the cause of a lot of mental illnesses, and I'm pretty sure that one of your two parents leaving is more traumatic than say being near a bomb exploding, mainly cus it's a lot more long term and it gives you all kinds of weird feelings about being abandoned, loving someone that suddenly leaves, makes you wonder if other people in your family will do the same. I guess it's quite similar to, but of course not as bad as being abused by a family member. But the abandonment is abuse, quite\very severe. All things like this cause a lot of negative feelings that a child shouldn't have. They're nowhere near ready to deal with them.
I concur, this is exactly what happened to me, I heard 'Something in the way' for the first time recently, hit me like a bolt of lightning, I knew EXACTLY how he felt writing those lyrics
I am the child in that situation
The abandonment issue as a child is the biggest underlying problem of most adult life making decisions.
True. Childhood trauma and especially abandonment can create serious trust issues, an inability to connect with others in any meaningful way, and definitely can drive alcohol and drug abuse -- a combination of feelings of worthlessness, drugs, alcohol and betrayal by someone you love is sort of the perfect storm for suicide. We see it all too often in artists of all media, but it happens to average folks on a huge scale, too. If you've ever actually taken the time to look into the way our mental healthcare system works, it's easy to see why it's so dysfunctional and even counterproductive.
@@codacreator6162 all the grunge singers were betrayed in their childhood, look it up
It must be difficult for band members to have to repeat these stories about the last time they saw, spoke to, performed with a member who passed away.
That's why, no one replace Kurt Cobain after that.
Nirvana is Kurt Cobain
Kurt Cobain is Nirvana.
Especially for kris, kris let poor kurt sleep on his couch, kris is a real one
The power a father can have over your emotions and decision making even when you're a grown man shouldn't be underestimated. All it takes sometimes is a sit down with your old man to put things back in a healthy perspective.
If you actually respect him....
@@andrewsawler875 naturally
@@jaxn13 You say it like it is a common sense thing. Hate to break it to you but most people do not have common sense whatsoever. 95% of the world is a blank staring, button mashing zombie. It is well known Kurt hated his father despite all attempts to have a relationship later on in life. I am sure how Kurt seen it was "oh now I'm famous you're my father?!?" I Love and respect my father and can say there has a been a few times between him and I that put things into perspective. However I completely disagree his father played any role other than some lyrics, angst and a reason to be there for Frances. Look at the circumstancial evidence as a whole. If at the end of that you cannot see the bread crumbs leading right to Kurt's death you could be the 95%. This woman is no criminal mastermind whatsoever, she just paid and fucked the right people and got away with murder. Sickens me to no end.
I will not accept that he “killed himself” there so many flaws in that the evidence is overwhelming that he didn’t pull the trigger
Welcome to the club of believers... - I never will believe Kurt ever killed himself! It was all Courtney!! 💯%
@@TammyFox1989 seriously man I wouldn’t say she did it her self but she was the one that told someone too do it like watch the soaked in bleach documentary if everybody saw that they would say he was murdered
@@ryana3298 Of course she didn't do it herself she had her Minions do it for her!
Allen Wrench and others...
💯% GUILTY!!!!!
I live in Washington state not too far from Seattle so yeah we know Courtney did it and paid everybody off...
This is so disgusting, Courtney is a horrible person but she did not kill Kurt, by making theories about a mans death you are belittling his mental health
@@TypeOnegativ3 Exactly.
Rest easy Kurt, forever in our heart shaped boxes
Given that “heart shaped box” is a metaphor for women’s genitalia, that may not be the best way to put it.
@@bakermakingbread uh Courtney gave kurt a heart shaped box woth shells as a gift in the early 90s, hence the song
The heart shaped box is courtneys vagina.....
@@bakermakingbreadBAHAHA THATS WHY ALBUM CALLED "IN UTERO"
I totally agree. A boy without a father is pretty much a lone sheep with out its herd. Respect to the dads out there who through thick n thin had been there for his son. RiP Kurt
Wrong
I tried hard to have a father
But instead I had a dad
I just want you to know that I
Don't hate you anymore
Isn’t it ironic that he overdosed on Courtney’s watch? And there’s a lot of evidence of her killing him
I’ve been waiting to hear this
Same
BRUH HOW DID I FIND YOU WOOAAHH
This was literally on foo fighters back and forth in like 2011
Looks like i've finded you!
Courtney may not have killed him but she definitely had a role to play
Courtney and the record company.... remember, if he quit Nirvana, they would lose A LOT of coin!!
Listen to his lyrics. Case closed
The poor fellow was a lost soul who missed out on a childhood ,very sad ,may he rest in peace.
Apart from his sister his whole family could have been there for him more than they were. They had all given up on him long before he got famous.
Even when Kurt famous,they still not care. That's why Kurt totaly broken, i can see in his song.
...I never thought about his dad not being in the picture. That's a damn good point, and I have been researching his death for well over a decade. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.
When I think about Kurts death I cry…a lot
It does indeed :c
me too. I wasnt I didn't know him, let alone was i alive when he passed away but i still feel like I lost something important. The entire grunge rock community did. He left us too soon
Dave much more cared about Kurts life than Kurt about his own that's scary
Kurt's dad wasn't a bad dad... he was an absentee dad. He never was there for him, not during his childhood, not ever. His relatives outside his nuclear family took care of him, but Kurt was naturally rebellious and an extraordinary introvert with extroverted methods of escapism. The only time he was comfortable was when he was playing his guitar so deafeningly loud that he couldn't hear the demons inside his mind. He was a gentle and volatile, caring and destructive, passionate and insouciant. He was a tortured genius on the same level as Beethoven and da Vinci, the latter being the only one with a mind brilliant enough to find a way to cope with it as long as he did. He would buy birds at the market just so he could set them free and watch them fly, and the next night go a dig up dead bodies to study them, then paint The Last Supper, and then work in the employ of Cesare Borgia building war machines that killed many, many people. Kurt single-handedly changed music forever. Nobody is gifted with that type of unique and powerful genius and is capable of being happy. It's sad most definitely, but it's also true. You can see the inner turmoil on his face in candid photos and that turmoil wasn't caused by anything, it was a part of him. Few people can overcome that type of pain. I don't think there's even a word for the type of pain because people don't understand it enough to define it. Thank god it's rare, but at the same time, thank god that it exist or we'd be in the dark ages for eternity despite religious oppression
5:05 wow his dad looks so much like him it’s insane.
my god yeah ur right i never noticed wtf
Today it's 28 years ago Kurt Cobain passed away.. R.I.P. Kurt.. 💜
Sad, 😢now he’s with Taylor Hawkins now
ive been a fan my entire life, i still don't understand why didn't anyone help kurt? its super obvious he needed help, courtney might not have pulled the trigger but she was probably his biggest enabler. its been so long and it's still so sad, just really he wish he didn't do that man.
The blame is on Kurt and Kurt alone. No one else pulled the trigger but Kurt. Like Krist has said since, he could have done anything he wanted to do.
A lot of people got ahead in life by Kurt's death...
CASE NEEDS TO BE RE OPENED!
IIRC, it was indeed re-opened some years ago, but it was still determined to be a suicide.
@@fruc24 Because they are still being paid off by Courtney that's why!
Relations with his dad appear to have been severely strained.....Kurt's dad tired to reconnect but Kurt didn't want relations with him given his parents divorce and impact it had on him.
Yes would of been nice if he had genuine supports but the person most close to him at the time is the one responsible for how it all got portrayed in the media as relates to him being suicidal. Manipulation and Foul play all the way,(allegedly).
Being more interested in your career and staying in L.A rather than going to Seattle to search for the love of you life tells us everything we need to know,(Narcissist).
Peace
Kurts dad started a new family after the divorce and forgot all about his original family and his son Kurt. This led to Kurt having some tough teenage years, as is well documented, his dad should've tried to stay in his life much more.
Very sad his father didn't try harder but Kurt was very angry with him and continued to distance from him. Very estranged relations.
Kurt's father appears very flat in interviews, who knows what his childhood was all about.
Either way it s very sad to not have relations with your parents.
You do good work with your channel :)
Shannon Murray Kurt’s dad was a sports fanatic and still is to this day. That’s all he’s interested about. Kurt even tried joining the baseball team and the rugby team for a while just so he could be closer to his dad. Donald Cobain however, was just interested in coaching sports instead of giving attention to his oldest son. Kurt always hated the jocks because of this; he felt like his father paid more attention to the jocks he coached compared to him. That’s where the song Been A Son came from btw
@@funsavoury2591 been a son was about his sister.
80'sリンゴ\ RS you’re not wrong... it’s also about his sister... it’s like most of his other songs, Kurts lyrics always have multiple layers so yeah I agree, “Been A Son” is about his sister and his dad but that doesn’t mean it’s not also about himself and his dad. Just like “Frances Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle” was about Frances Farmer but also about Kurt. “Scentless Apprentice” was about the main character in that Perfume novel, but also about Kurt.... I think you get the picture
Kurt and Dave saw each other one more time a few days before his suicide and said hi to each other in Seattle.
MURDER not suicide...
The Yoyoyo neither can completely be confirmed. Just let the dude rest in peace
close. they ran into each other and kurt asked dave how he was doing and Dave said "i'll call you later" and walked into their accountants office. this is the big reason why CL was angry with Dave because he was reaching out and Dave kinda blew him off. Dave didn't know how fragile Kurt was at that point. They hadn't seen one another for a while, they had separate buses on the tour. Drugs alienate people and worlds. Dave never did call him later and Kurt was pretty upset about it. He had even gone on a few rants about Dave which is why Courtney said on Howard Stern that Kurt hated Dave. Kurt and Dave were estranged and they weren't ready at the same time to get close again. Kurt was hurt about it and channeled his energy out in a couple Dave rants. I think from the amount of blow Kurt was doing on the European leg with the buzzcocks that he burnt his brain right into a heavy depression. I believe he killed himself as well.
@@skippyhandleman1625 And you know that because Dave tell you,right?
@@skippyhandleman1625 dave kill kurt cuz he wanted to be the front man on a band he was jealous of kurt so Courtney love told Dave to put 3 injections 💉 on kurts and then he blew his head off n left the green house so dave got what he wanted become the singer to get fame and money and Courtney got kurts millions of dollars....so you see I think that's the story.
I agree, it was due to bad parenting why Kurt was so troubled. He is not the first and most def not the last. So sad. 💕
Drug addiction is a bitch too. Picking a bad wife as well.
@@ut6857 damn straight. I also struggled with addiction. I can relate how Kurt must have felt as a child, hence why he became an addict in later life. To block out physical and mental pain. Love and peace to you.
Guy speaking sounds like Lars
U WANNA HANG OUT!!!! HUH!!!
Lars Ulrik ?
Nobody speaks like fucking Lars
It’s so funny how you just say Lars and everybody understand you
He føcking left the band. !
I'll almost take a third stance and say, we can't say for certain that she killed him but we can say the story doesn't add up and has changed through the years so there's certainly something that she's hiding that we don't know
Agree with the final comments about his father. Although I think Kurt used the angst from that abandonment as motivation for his works. It seems they were estranged by the end.
i watched a 1990 interview where krist chad channing and kurt were talking and krist and kurt said they both really liked each others dads. kurt with krists dad and krist with kurts dad. they spoke positive about it then made a joke they were in Nambla
Krist was in the band with him from the beginning and he seems to not be around much at all at the end.
Nicholas Fanzo I might be wrong, but i think it was because they relationship became kinda weird when kurt and courtney didnt invite krist's wife to they marriage (that resulted in him not going too, of course)
I honestly believe Krist knows something after all Kurt's car was parked in front of his house
Krist was at the wedding, Dave thought Courtney was a bad influence on Kurt and didn't attend it.
@@thomassohayda3375 literally the opposite man, there are photos of Dave at the wedding
@@thomassohayda3375 Dave was at the wedding, theres pictures of them together....Krist that wasnt.
I’m never gonna stop believe that Courtney killed him she killed him because he was gonna leave her and not give her money no more so he hired someone to kill him that’s what I believe
seriously, at this point I need evidence that this WASN"T the case.
Kurt didn't want to have any relationship with his father. He said it in an interview with Jon Savage
We all have choices,so long as there is breath.
Rest in Peace KDC.
Totally agree...no matter what happened in past, the dad should of been strong and reached out to his son to at least try to help as a dad should. I’m sure Kurt wouldn’t take his calls but it would of left an impression that his dad cares and sometimes that’s all you need.
Kurt may your soul have peace. You will always live on through your music. Rip.
Love the video & love how you theorize certain events
I still believe courtney killed kurt
Anthony Luciano
She didn’t. He was just very depressed and didn’t want to live.
I don’t like her and she wasn’t supportive but being a bad wife doesn’t make you a killer.
Kurt chose to end his life alone
Gus Yates agreed
his life seemed like a mess from bipolar but if your so sure
@@gusyates1839 it seemed like it was always kind of his end goal too, obviously as great as he was he did seem delusional in certain areas from mental issues, so its obviously not going to be very consistent and can look suspicious, but a friend of his did say that as a teen kurt said he wanted to be a famous rockstar and then kill himself, courtney couldve done it i guess but he probaly wouldve done it even if she didnt, but she probaly didnt.
I'll almost take a third stance and say, we can't say for certain that she killed him but we can say the story doesn't add up and has changed through the years so there's certainly something that she's hiding that we don't know
Why would anyone dislike this video?
I BLAME COURTNEY 100% & I'M SURE AS 💩💩 OTHERS FEEL THE SAME WAY TOO!!
R.I.P. 😇 KURT 😇 YOU WERE TAKEN FROM US TOO SOON... ONE DAY THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT!
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Wanda I can’t believe you’d say something so controversial
wanda i agree with your statement, you just might want to tone it down with the whole "rosa parks belonged at the back of the bus" thing
@@rhysmann07 woah Wanda! No need to get so political!
Stop shouting
It's sad,sad,sad. R.i.p kurt
I love you and miss you Kurt. You are the ultimate song and lyric composer.
I love your video's man. Keep it up
Cheers man
@@RockTV11 Fuchila fighters =Foo fighters is suck's.
those weren't the last words Dave said to Kurt. Dave and Kurt both had appointments with their accountant office and Kurt was leaving and Dave was entering. Kurt mentioned doing something and Dave said "i'll call you later" but Dave never did call him.
I had a terrible life-my mom was killed when I was 4. My rock-little brother blew up on a major plane wreck in 1996. I have ALWAYS said that when dads' kind of REJECT their son, something horribly undo-able happens, Girls are not afraid to vent and get help. Guys just try and try to make their dads appreciate them and if they do not--it is the end of them. I've seen it so many times. If they only knew that it was their DAD who had the weakness of character and jealousy--not them. There are horrible dads, moms, everything but no young man should hang his hat upon if his father acts like he loves them or not. DO NOT let them win. They are narcissist or losers who are jealous. Find a mentor but end the toxic relationship. FRIENDS YOU LOVE can be much more family at times than family can. RIP. Loved this guy. ".....but I could have told you Vincent...the world was never meant for one as beautiful as you. RIP
@doesntmater1543 Thank you for your comment. I hear you. You are strong and understand so much. Your words must have helped many people since you posted this comment 3 yrs. ago. Makes me cry ,but also to have hope.
Hope you are doing well ! ❤
Almost agree with your tangent, just personally think no one should be blamed. Having friends and family suicide I can safely say that blaming anyone including the victim is just an easy and selfish thing to do. Sidenote; I was born on March 14 1994, would be weird for me if that's the last time they spoke considering Nirvana is my favourite three piece and my father committed suicide in April some years later. Freaky timing yo.
Agreed, no-one can be blamed and no-one is to blame, just certain people could have done more for Kurt at certain points of his life. Could it have saved him? Maybe it could've...then again maybe things would have turned out the same no matter what. There are no answers to that.
I know how you felt Kurt, I wish I could tell you to not give up.
I mean his Dad tried, Kurt just avoided him, cut him out... "I don't hate you anymore, there's nothing I can say that I haven't thought before"... That's not meaningless drivel, that's Kurt closing the door on his father.
I don't remember where I heard or read about this (possibly in one of the two Nirvana books, "Come As You Are" or "Nirvana", first was by Michael Azerrad, second by Everett True), but somewhere, someone wrote or claimed that Kurt had reconciled with Don Cobain, his dad, somewhere around January or February 1994. Maybe this was all information discussed on the Nirvana reddit, and I can't remember the details, but it was something like just before a Nirvana show, backstage or something like that. I wish I could remember where the source of this information came from.
Yeah id agree his parents didn’t help his depression but Courtney is definitely the reason he died in my opinion. I think he still would be here if he never met her. She gives off fishy vibes
More like bitchy vibes lol
Well whatever happened exactly, you did a good job with this video.
Dudeman, great video and narration. I subscribed and rang the bell.
So, like most, this day 4.5.94 is like yesterday. It was also a unique time in my life having my last child on 4.1.94 it was a bittersweet end of that week.Everyone can agree on the fact that it is a tragedy. That Kurt was in way more pain than maybe anyone knew about. That, he did not want the spot light ever, I don't believe. He was just happy to play music with Nirvana and to write music. But of course, there was a huge trade off. There are a million scenarios about this and, for the most part, does it matter? I mean Kurt is gone. Like Layne, Chris etc .I too have my own theories. But, I'm not a person who looks at things face value either. Courtney has gotten the blame. She, in her defense is not to blame for everything. If she was there for him or not. Their rumours of divorce yada blah.. It is the trade off I spoke about. That your entire life is out there. I'll be honest and go on a limb. If I wanted to use my talents and sing or act, dance, I would have to also accept the responsibility of the other side of that coin and I too would use or self medicate. Without a doubt. I mean how would you cope with all of that, think about it?
What I think has no bearing, none of it was my business or anyone else's for that matter. My opinion. People should not have to "Pay" for wanting to do what they love, use their God given gifts, in abuse. If you think about it, it is legal stalking.
True fans who really "got" Kurt knows that, Kurt himself would not like or even fully accept the media attention, tours, merch, yada blah.
Just presenting my own thoughts, i'm not right or wrong. Just sharing.
I am against totally blaming Courtney though. We will never know. Okay? Seattle PD has this case locked up like Fort Knox. So, we will literally never know, unless it was confessed by whoever was responsible for killing him. HE did not do this. The evidence does NOT tell the suicide story at all. Enough on that. That too is not the bottom line. Kurt is dead, that is the bottom line. Let's honor him, and his legacy. Kurt, rest in peace.
That was really very nice , Thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings. I agree with so much of what you said..and you are very fair...
It's important to hear how others feel in general however in this case , one feels less alone when it's a situation that is so tragic and has many loose ends. It makes a difference , sometimes people learn facts and understand more easily from others Comments - but mostly because of the shared empathy , utter sadness, and frustrating doubts that justice has not been served.
Most importantly frustrated that it should never have happened , but it did , and we have to live with such a needless , sad loss of a sensitive beautiful soul . How many look back after and say the " woulda woulda shoulda " thing .
It's hard to believe No one saw just how self - destructive he had become and how he just could not cope. He was suffering. Drug addiction is a bitch. It must be terrible to feel alone when you're surrounded by so many people - who you thought cared about you. What's worse is having no one really there for you and then waking up out of a coma and there sits Courtney Love - pulling all the strings. Maybe she was trying hard to help him, but I think Kurt knew better and knew more that he admitted. It's very private, but one cannot help feel his pain.
I apologize for venting , and for my comments - I only meant to Thank you for yours...So Sorry.
RIP Kurt❤
I agree with what he’s saying I was more or less abandoned by my folks as a teenager and it fucked me up looking back on it
Courtney Love was loaded and strung out at that time too. She didn’t care about him really getting clean. She wanted him to do Lolapolozza . She wanted the 9M they were offered to do it. That’s why she only invited label executives.
They used drugs, him being loaded and getting clean as “you are F-ing up”; “You gotta do the festival tour”(which would’ve been awesome to see Nirvana at Lolopollozza).
I saw them play in Jan of 94 in Vancouver. They were great but Kurt said almost nothing the whole show and they had a weird energy. They were distant from each other.
Family and loved ones can’t save someone from addiction. Everybody knows that! However a treatment center, that he chose to leave, could’ve saved his life
I thought that was when he was talking to his drummer from foo fighters?
Dave literally reinvented himself going from the shy soft spoken not making any waves drummer to the outspoken frontman of his own band after Kurts death. Like he got a 2nd chance and knew something!
Because it was a charade. Dave played a guy who was no where near as energetic as Kurt's aura and became bitter. All that charade about him hating Cunt is a lie. Dave is frances daughter and Kurt found out in Rome when he did a paternity test as the EU Laws were much quicker to get results as well as discretion and plus you could pay your way however he wanted frances off the will and cunt. Cunt knew that even if Frances was the sole heir she would still control the money so that wasn't her issue. Alot of these TH-cam people just go based on assumptions and make money out of people.
Courtney she couldn't be there for Kurt Cobain when she was an addict herself may you rest in peace Kurt Cobain you have left us some great music it will live on forever like the song Smells Like Teen Spirit that was always my number one song RIP Kurt Cobain ❤
So So Sad. All the losses ,so many talented musicians have followed Kurt 2 greatest band in the sky !
As he followed them before him
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Where can I watch that "documentary"... I watched it on Netflix but it's no longer there
Always be there for a friend or a family member ,even a stranger ,could even be someone you dont like very much ,as nobody knows what they have been through or even going through ,its a rough world we live in ,life aint a disney movie.
it was the same with layne nobody checked on him and he lay dead with needle still in arm two weeks after he od, at least with layne you know what happened and why but with kurts passing that shotgun is so out of place i still believe the trigger was pulled when kurt had already passed
And the forensic, and the judge, and the cops who were there didn't see any suspect that could've been a murder. And if there was a suspect of it, an autopsy must've been done , and what did it say?? He'd been extra sensitive, depressive, he'd had too many problems all his life, he was seriously sick for years, he was heroin addict... C'mon, he was prime candidate to suicide.
@@vannabohr6277 no! this is exactly what courtney wants you to believe that kurt was this frail sick junkie who could do nothing for himself? the guy started one of the most important bands of the 90s. seattle police said "kurt gave himself a lethal dose of heroin " making it impossible for kurt to commit suicide" this i believe 100% kurt od again narcan was used (you can see the mark on his arm) it failed now up till now the story makes sense why then add a shotgun to the mix and a made up suicide note? there was at least four people living in the house before and after kurt passed 😳 money and jealousy are the biggest motives in the book for murder. to add the greenhouse did not have one single fingerprint the suicide note was literally planted courtney love is quoted saying 'i wrote it on a ihop' all the people surrounding kurt were all under courtneys heroin control all of them benefited, there was four people living in the house weeks before and after kurt passed
@@MelchizedekKohen you do know that he had such an immunity to heroin that he infact couldve pulled the trigger. also why would the seattle police say that but rule it as suicide? i smell bullshit coming out of your mouth
Johnny Moore there actually is, im just not a basement rat with my tinfoil hat
@@SomeDuuude do you know how it feels when you take a hit 🤔 last thing on your mind is suicide you're a troll looking for attention 💯 😴
I like your narrative in the video. And yes, I think Kurt's father should have been there for him. I think it's just that he got famous and I think he became withdrawn. Probably because he had to do a lot and had a lot to think about.
There's always the camera around you. People want to talk to him, do interviews, get stories to write and sell. And that can be overwhelming, considering how influential he was.
His final words to him were at the intervention created by Danny Greenberg at C.’s request 4 days before his death and 14 testimonies say he was totally sober that whole week, including Pat who played music with him that night.
That evening was when Grohl and Novaselic (maybe wisely?) removed the tapes per lots of people there. So they were there, Harrison has all the documentation on this too.
Wonder what they said then?
Exactly
@theesotericjungle Exactly also.
Where would I find out more about this. This Case needs to be reopened for sure. Thank you for your Comment.
The thing about feeling suicidal is if you can just tell yourself to just wait another day a whole day can make all the difference. I wish he could have done that or tried to talk to someone.
Courtney Killed Kurt.
YEP!!
We don’t know if she actually did. And probably will never know for sure
its weird because its like krist novoselic hair went from the top of his head and then just stays at his beard now
The real last time dave spoke to kurt---Nirvana fans will recall that Cobain overdosed on pills and alcohol in March of 1994 a hotel in Rome , so this was following that incident. “I said, ‘Hey, man, that really scared everybody. And I don’t want you to die.’ Then I saw him at our accountant’s office [in Seattle],” Grohl explained. “He was walking out as I was walking in. He smiled and said, ‘Hey, what’s up?’ And I said, ‘I’ll give you a call.’ And he said, ‘Okay.’”
The most important bond you have in your life is with your mom and spouse.
Kurt felt like everyone in his life were against him and not with him. The feeling of being judged with an intervention
love that coat...its 40's...he got swag
I really hope things work out better for Francis Bean
Well said 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Hum,i think that's maybe too harsh on his father. I mean,he was not a child anymore,he was an adult,and relationships with parents are many times far from being perfects or what we wanted or needed it,not to mention they are a two way street.
In one of the great and complete interviews he gave in 1993,he tells about his father (that he didn't speak with, for almost 10 years)come up,in one of their shows (in 92) to speak with him,because he thought that Kurt hated deeply. According to his own words,he said to his father that,he don't hate him anymore,just don't have nothing more to say to him,and don't want nothing more to do with him. He ( Kurt) don't want that they have to have a relationship just because they are related.
In the same interview,he also says that he always kept a relationship with his mother because she was more an affectionate person,but that,they both (mother and father) bored him.
Btw,if we don't know for sure,why making a video with this title??
Reopen the case Kurt needs justice
He committed suicide.
He killed himself, man. Just let it go.
@Leah Bradford Them closing the suicide case the same day is standard. They take some pictures, make sure ballistics match, write a report, and take the body. Tons of people kill themselves everyday, it's standard operating procedure. They didn't bother with extensive investigation because there's no point. Just because he's a celebrity doesn't give him special treatment; he's human like the rest of us, just more talented. I'm sure there are many suicides out there that look like a murder, but no one draws any attention to it because those victims weren't famous like Kurt.
There's no point in trying to reopen the case. He's dead, dude. Let him rest in peace.
Jesus Christ “just because he’s a celebrity,” being worth tens of millions of dollars should add some scrutiny and the fact that being a celebrity also gives a lot more people reasons to hurt you (John Lennon)
@@flamma6096 That wasn't the point of what I was trying to say. I'm sure plenty of people wanted to hurt Kurt, for money or for other reasons. I was saying that one of the reasons that this conspiracy blew up was because of how beloved Kurt was and how much fans didn't want to believe that he would want to die, hence why they would blame his death on other factors. If Kurt wasn't who he was, no one would be calling his suicide a murder, and his death would've been forgotten ages ago.
the saddest moment is kurt died alone.
Actually Kurt and his father spoke on the phone before the last toor and they both told each other they loved the other. Kurt said it meant a lot to him because they hadn’t said that to the other in years.. it’s in one of the multiple books , I’ll try to track that down and I’ll post a link. Now don’t start yelling at me , I didn’t just pull that out my arse. Nirvana was a huge influence on me and I credit Kurt for inspiring me to start playing live shows ) My parents were big dead heads /hippies ( I’m from Northern California) and were always jammin so I learned to play early and my dad was always very supportive of my endeavors and would jam with me for a few hours or listen to my music and what bands I was into and oddly and unexpectedly we really bonded over nirvana. I was 10 or 11 when “nevermind” was released and I think he liked that album just as much if not more than I did. (Same with “in utero” and their unplugged album.. He loved the harmonies and said it’s like the beetle but with Jim Morrison and Hendrix all wrapped together ) He still has those albums in his rotation at 70 years old.
I still believe Courtney kills Kurt. R. I. P. Kurt. Your music is saved in my heart! 🙌😍
The only entity that didn't lose out but actually made out better after Kurts death.
David Grohl!
I don't believe in coincidence.
What’s the story behind that photograph? Of Kurt in eye shadow
I normally don't like comment and subscribe but I'm impressed. Your take on his father not being there for him. That's the first I heard anyone say that. It never dawned on me before.
I'm going to keep an eye out for more out of the box content like this. Hope my one little blip helps you succeed!
Sometimes when u love someone so much ur own life means nothing , a hansome man who never had enough real people around him kurt u were just a normal blokes who had problems that just needed someone too set him straight with out needing a handout! Somtimes a woman can destroy more than ur career but ur very soul!
I don’t think Courtney killed him but I do think she gaslight him into killing himself.
That’s literally a crime
@@jenna6421 I absolutely agree
@@jenna6421 I think it’s as bad as first degree murder if not worse because that takes some seriously evil and calculated intentions over a long period of time. It’s the same as torture. She’s a horrid woman.
So sad to hear that his dad wasn't there for him
I agree with your tangent.