Thanks Gas for another useful and very well explained tutorial! I had an idea watching the video - you could also use the 2nd method (using a loop back lead) to make use of an external effects unit by putting it in series with the lead. I don't know if it would be possible to record to a pair of tracks to get stereo recording?
Thanks for the kind feedback! And yes, I've done what you have described. To set up an effects send feedback loop and end up with stereo files requires you to do a few extra mini steps, but it's possible. On my long to-do list that is actually one of my next two planned tutorial videos.
Thanks! Yeah, I bounced quite a few tracks on the R8, but since I got the R20 I found myself not doing it as much. This video has been on my to-do list for awhile though, because I do know it's important for R12 users. Hope all is well and as always, thanks for watching!
I'd already worked out the stereo bounce, but hadn't gotten past the wondering stage on using a loopback. Thanks for the work you put in - appreciated! You vids are always crisp and on point, and were a big help in my deciding to give the R12 a try. 👍
Thanks! Glad the R12 is starting to work out for you. Sounds like you're well on your way to using learning most of the features for your recording projects. I saw your comments from other videos. Seems like you are setting up your own effects patches as well...you can use Guitar Lab to edit more effects patches on the unit. Thanks for watching!
Hello Gaz! Thank you so much for your lessons, they are very helpful. I like the R12, but I have one question. Why are some projects saved on USB MEMORY and some not? In this case, the message "USB flash drive full!" appears. although USB MEMORY is completely free.
Without seeing it, my best guess is that's a connection issue. Are you using a USB hub when you connect a USB stick? I would try to unplug the hub and the stick and plug it back in and see if that fixes it. Otherwise, it could be a hub that isn't perfectly compactible, or it could be the USB stick, or the way the stick is formatted. I didn't make a video about that with the R12, but I did have problems with one particular USB stick with the R20: th-cam.com/video/Pp2Y3QMj20w/w-d-xo.html
@@GazRendar, thank you very much for your help. You were right, the whole problem was the USB HUB. When I plugged the USB stick directly into the device, everything worked properly. I really appreciate your knowledge and your help!
Eh...using the cord feedback loop is indeed kind of a pain. I rarely do that. But using the digital stereo mix down and re-import is pretty straightforward and easy. In practice, I'm never annoyed that I have to do that since it's pretty quick. Overall, though, I totally agree - if they had a dedicated bounce feature to combine multiple tracks and immediately place it into an open track - that would be ideal.
You win! Yeah, that's pretty much the point of the video. I've gotten comments from unhappy users over the past two years complaining that the R20 and R12 do not have a bounce feature. I guess technically they do not because most true bounce features will put that bounce track directly into your project. Here you need to go through one more re-import step. But functionally, it's the same idea.
Well...everything is a trade-off. So it completely depends on what your uses are. The R4 has a feature that is indeed called Bounce, but it only has 4 tracks, so it really needs a dedicated bounce. If you get an R12, you get 8 mono tracks or 4 stereo tracks, so depending on how you layer your tracks, you might not really need to bounce much. And with the R20, I haven't really had to bounce anything because it has 16 tracks. The R4 doesn't really let you edit your audio after recording...like split, copy, paste, and move recorded audio regions. It's far more portable than the R12 and R20, and the R4 also has a built in mic. The R4 has less built-in effects than the R12 and R20. So if your needs are maximum portability with a built in mic, but you don't need much in the way of effects and don't need to edit your audio directly on the device, then yes, I think the R4 is a good pick. But if you want to do some light audio editing directly on the device itself, I would probably recommend an R12 or R20.
@@GazRendar Last question,is it possible to record a specific track from a point i need and not from the beginning? And if it is possible to edit specific portion of a track and not he whole track? I mean volume for instance,i play wind instruments and sometimes one part of the recording might be louder than other so instead of rerecording can i adjust some part of the track? Talking about r12.And from what you said i can understand i may record all the channels and adjust the levels before i save them? The saved file then might be used again to add more tracks to it?
@@GrowingTreesEasy For the most part, yes, you can do all of those things, but it might require some manual work-arounds to get there. You can move the timeline marker to where ever you want and hit the Rec button and it will record from there. It's easier if you set up markers in the timeline first, but yes, that is one of the advantages of using a multitracker like the R12 vs a mixing board or handy recorder. If you play woodwinds, you can record a whole song if you want, say it's 3 minutes long, all on Track 1. If you find one section is too quiet, you then split that part of Track 1, and simply move that audio region to Track 2. Then you can boost the fader on Track 2 to make it louder during playback or mix down. Some of your questions might be answered in this video demonstration: th-cam.com/video/Io_w4X8s_oM/w-d-xo.html After recording a track on the R12 for say, Project 1, if you back out to the Project main menu, the R12 will remember your fader positions for volume control. So if you go into Project 2 and start working on a different song for a few days and come back to Project 1 later, you'll see "ghost" faders on the screen in fader view to show you were you left your physical faders when you were in Project 1 days ago. Hope that answers your questions...?
That was exactly my question about the R20 ! Thanks! Good explanation and examples.
Thanks! Happy to help!
Thanks Gas for another useful and very well explained tutorial!
I had an idea watching the video - you could also use the 2nd method (using a loop back lead) to make use of an external effects unit by putting it in series with the lead.
I don't know if it would be possible to record to a pair of tracks to get stereo recording?
Thanks for the kind feedback!
And yes, I've done what you have described. To set up an effects send feedback loop and end up with stereo files requires you to do a few extra mini steps, but it's possible. On my long to-do list that is actually one of my next two planned tutorial videos.
Nice video. The bounce function is the most important feature on my R8 haha
Thanks!
Yeah, I bounced quite a few tracks on the R8, but since I got the R20 I found myself not doing it as much. This video has been on my to-do list for awhile though, because I do know it's important for R12 users.
Hope all is well and as always, thanks for watching!
I'd already worked out the stereo bounce, but hadn't gotten past the wondering stage on using a loopback. Thanks for the work you put in - appreciated! You vids are always crisp and on point, and were a big help in my deciding to give the R12 a try. 👍
Thanks! Glad the R12 is starting to work out for you. Sounds like you're well on your way to using learning most of the features for your recording projects. I saw your comments from other videos. Seems like you are setting up your own effects patches as well...you can use Guitar Lab to edit more effects patches on the unit. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video! I needed this.
You're welcome. Happy to help out!
Great work-around Gaz ! You've done it again ! : )
Thanks!
Gaz thanks again for the video. I started making recordings on the R20. I wanted to show it as promised. Where should I send the link?
Hello Gaz! Thank you so much for your lessons, they are very helpful. I like the R12, but I have one question. Why are some projects saved on USB MEMORY and some not? In this case, the message "USB flash drive full!" appears. although USB MEMORY is completely free.
Without seeing it, my best guess is that's a connection issue. Are you using a USB hub when you connect a USB stick? I would try to unplug the hub and the stick and plug it back in and see if that fixes it. Otherwise, it could be a hub that isn't perfectly compactible, or it could be the USB stick, or the way the stick is formatted. I didn't make a video about that with the R12, but I did have problems with one particular USB stick with the R20:
th-cam.com/video/Pp2Y3QMj20w/w-d-xo.html
@@GazRendar, thank you very much for your help. You were right, the whole problem was the USB HUB. When I plugged the USB stick directly into the device, everything worked properly. I really appreciate your knowledge and your help!
Both methods seem like a huge pain. I feel like there's a lot of little things which could be fixed in the next firmware update (if it ever comes)
Eh...using the cord feedback loop is indeed kind of a pain. I rarely do that. But using the digital stereo mix down and re-import is pretty straightforward and easy. In practice, I'm never annoyed that I have to do that since it's pretty quick. Overall, though, I totally agree - if they had a dedicated bounce feature to combine multiple tracks and immediately place it into an open track - that would be ideal.
What is the difference between "Mix Down" and 'Bounce' ? Seems like doing the same thing
You win! Yeah, that's pretty much the point of the video. I've gotten comments from unhappy users over the past two years complaining that the R20 and R12 do not have a bounce feature. I guess technically they do not because most true bounce features will put that bounce track directly into your project. Here you need to go through one more re-import step. But functionally, it's the same idea.
Seems two complicated.Would you recommend r4 instead? It has dedicated bounce track but i could find if it is stereo or not
Well...everything is a trade-off. So it completely depends on what your uses are. The R4 has a feature that is indeed called Bounce, but it only has 4 tracks, so it really needs a dedicated bounce. If you get an R12, you get 8 mono tracks or 4 stereo tracks, so depending on how you layer your tracks, you might not really need to bounce much. And with the R20, I haven't really had to bounce anything because it has 16 tracks.
The R4 doesn't really let you edit your audio after recording...like split, copy, paste, and move recorded audio regions. It's far more portable than the R12 and R20, and the R4 also has a built in mic. The R4 has less built-in effects than the R12 and R20. So if your needs are maximum portability with a built in mic, but you don't need much in the way of effects and don't need to edit your audio directly on the device, then yes, I think the R4 is a good pick. But if you want to do some light audio editing directly on the device itself, I would probably recommend an R12 or R20.
@@GazRendar Last question,is it possible to record a specific track from a point i need and not from the beginning? And if it is possible to edit specific portion of a track and not he whole track? I mean volume for instance,i play wind instruments and sometimes one part of the recording might be louder than other so instead of rerecording can i adjust some part of the track? Talking about r12.And from what you said i can understand i may record all the channels and adjust the levels before i save them? The saved file then might be used again to add more tracks to it?
@@GrowingTreesEasy For the most part, yes, you can do all of those things, but it might require some manual work-arounds to get there.
You can move the timeline marker to where ever you want and hit the Rec button and it will record from there. It's easier if you set up markers in the timeline first, but yes, that is one of the advantages of using a multitracker like the R12 vs a mixing board or handy recorder.
If you play woodwinds, you can record a whole song if you want, say it's 3 minutes long, all on Track 1. If you find one section is too quiet, you then split that part of Track 1, and simply move that audio region to Track 2. Then you can boost the fader on Track 2 to make it louder during playback or mix down.
Some of your questions might be answered in this video demonstration:
th-cam.com/video/Io_w4X8s_oM/w-d-xo.html
After recording a track on the R12 for say, Project 1, if you back out to the Project main menu, the R12 will remember your fader positions for volume control. So if you go into Project 2 and start working on a different song for a few days and come back to Project 1 later, you'll see "ghost" faders on the screen in fader view to show you were you left your physical faders when you were in Project 1 days ago.
Hope that answers your questions...?
@@GazRendar Thanks mate,i will order R12.