Do Copyright Laws Stifle Creativity? - Lawrence Lessig
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 มี.ค. 2009
- Complete video at: fora.tv/2009/02/26/Remix_Steve...
Using examples from TH-cam, Stanford law professor and copyright activist Lawrence Lessig discusses the influence of "remixes" and "mashups" of existing art on culture as a whole, and ponders the fate of participatory media in the face of out-of-date copyright laws.
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What is the future for art and ideas in an age when practically anything can be copied, pasted, downloaded, sampled, and re-imagined?
LIVE from the NYPL and WIRED Magazine kick off the Spring 2009 season with a spirited discussion of the emerging remix culture.
Our guides through this new world--who will take us from Jefferson's Bible to Andre the Giant to Wikipedia--will be Lawrence Lessig, author of Remix, founder of Creative Commons, and one of the leading legal scholars on intellectual property issues in the Internet age; acclaimed street artist Shepard Fairey, whose iconic Obama "HOPE" poster was recently acquired by the National Portrait Gallery; and cultural historian Steven Johnson, whose new book, The Invention of Air, argues that remix culture has deep roots in the Enlightenment and among the American founding fathers. - New York Public Library
Lawrence Lessig is a professor of law at Stanford Law School and founder of the school's Center for Internet and Society. He teaches and writes in the areas of constitutional law, contracts, and the law of cyberspace. Prior to joining the Stanford faculty, he was Berkman Professor of Law at Harvard Law School and a professor at the University of Chicago. He clerked for Judge Richard Posner on the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals and for Justice Antonin Scalia on the United States Supreme Court. For much of his career, he has focused on law and technology, especially as it affects copyright. Recognized for arguing against interpretations of copyright that could stifle innovation and discourse online, he is CEO of the Creative Commons project, and he has been a columnist for Wired, Red Herring, and The Industry Standard.
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Lawrence Lessig should be the top head of TH-cam, and thrash Warner Music Group to the ground.
No questions asked. Everything he said in this video is correct, and TH-cam and Warner Music Group know it.
10 stars to this guy.
They know that as soon as people and artists can reach each other directly, their place as a middle man is gone, and so are they.
You should watch more of Mr Lessig's vids. Copy rights were intended to protect the value on behalf of the creator. It is actually a part of the constitution that there be reasonable limits on them to encourage intelectual evolution. Then a man named Walt Disney passed away and a corporation began fighting over fortunes. Very interesting stuff.
I agree with KShow.. we have not only asked these bands, but it also gives them free promotion like he said, and we don't make a dime off them because monetization of copyrighted content is forbidden, so really it's a win win situation, and yet we still have to get copyright strikes and sometimes even banned for making these, when in reality it shouldn't truly be an issue, I'm not saying we should make money off of it, we should just not be at risk by making them
Does anyone have the full video? It seems like the website was taken down.
As some have said or hinted it, it really is all about the money, sadly. It's not about personal safety, it's not about protecting someone's property or even safe guarding someone new in the music or media industry. It's all about the money, and it's just further proof of America's lack of common sense whenever money gets involved. Maybe it's why we're all in debt.
Anyways, that's a rant, and I just wanted to say I agree with Lawrence and what he's saying.
I am watching this video for school. How do I cite this in MLA?
There certainly are miscarriages of copyrites, just as there are patents. Jackson can no more claim ownership of "Happy Birthday" than Microsoft can rightfully claim ownership of the concept of the "right mouse click". But there are legitimate claims to ownership. And I agree that there should be a reasonable sunset for copyrights.
I'm all for "fair-use", which is what these are all examples of. However, we must also still have copyrights to protect the creative process as well. Imagine how stifling it would be to the world of fiction if novelists, having completed a novel, are subsequently unable to derive any sustainance from their work because their work is subsequently and legally duplicated and distributed endlessly without payment.
You played it (that song with the kid dancing to the video) ... why hasn't your video been deleted for copyright infringement?
@MrInstrumentalist That's not always the case, and I rarely think it is. You can't be creative without using other material. I do dancing videos, so I need music. It's a necessity. The dances and content I create are original, but the music can't be, unless I create my own. The problem here is that I am not a musician.
And then there's the aspect that no idea is original. I use products in my video that aren't mine like wigs, costumes, and even decorations around my area.
That just happened to me today.
@MrInstrumentalist Sorry, I wasn't finished... when I use these materials to promote my videos (stuff around my house, filming in places besides my home, wigs, costumes, etc), does this mean I'm infringing copyright through product placement (which clearly belongs in video)? Music is the same exact thing and should not be considered differently.
Therefore, the concept of copyright is a fallacy in itself. No ideas are brand new; however, we can change them to make them look new and original.
Creative ideas are one of the most valuable things to our society...why WOULDN'T we protect them?
Surely Lawrence Lessig can not be the only voice of sanity in the professional world. Laws and companies need to change. I think a line needs to be drawn somewhere between the amateur and professional work. Although i am sure the creative industry big wigs will try and stifle the creative amateurs (who don't make them money) as much as possible.
@sdozer1990: Not sure I'm following you entirely, but I agree that musicians can make more than enough money to survive with or without piracy. About a year ago, I saw a study from Harvard that found piracy to be benificial to all, but the top 25% of artists (who're rich anyway).
I support IP for big-budget films, software, and video games, but for lesser medium (indie films, music, photographs, pictures), it just ends up as a tool for abuse.
everyone is bashing on this video but its so much bigger now, you can get copy righted in such dumb ways now. .5 seconds of a song and bam all that money you made on that video is all theirs. this video was a poor explanation of copyrighting but he was going toward the thing that's most prevalent in todays TH-cam.
Are there people out there admitting they can't make anything without plagiarism?
I think that, as long as you dont claim the song etc is YOURS, then i think it should be legal to use any music, as long as you credit the owner etc, and dont say "This is all my work, no other people".
-Raito
@Probably my last post here (so we don't mess up the system)...
I'm not into pirating, I just like to use music to complement with my video, if you know what I mean. That's all I'm saying. I have no intentions of stealing.
Copyright laws do not stiffle creativity in my opinion. They promote creativity. If you can't use someone else's material and you wanted to entertain people then you would be forced to "create" something in order to do so.
What most folks don't realize is that lots people don't use copyrighted material on YT to "create new ideas": they are only interested in getting more views and popularity and dropping a famous artists names hepls their cause.
@thecostumedanceparty We are kind of taking up valuable comment space though because our little debate is really a waste of time. I don;t think any major corporations are going after you for copyright infringement at this point and time so you can keep on doing what you do. My music doesn't appeal to you so I'm not worried about you using any of it either. We can agree to disagree and I'll say you "win".
It's killing creativity. Just getting inspired would seem like i can get in trouble for copyright =\ Copyright is alright, just going too far maybe. Everything in creativity has came from somewhere else... It just seems like its getting limited now with all this craziness of copyright jerks. im just upset, a concept for a comic of mine was considered copyright *shrug* oh wait, so is everything else T_T
Thats all fine & good, however there has to be a limit on the timeframe of a copyright. Personally, I believe coorporate copyright should be limited to 15 years & the personal copyright of an artist should be standing the individual's life. We're all held captive of piracy when Michael Jackson can own the rights to the song "happy birthday". Did you know thats why it isn't sung in restaurants anymore? Paul McCartney should own the rights to the songs he wrote, not Michael Jackson. Thats piracy!!
TY 4 speaking out the TRUTH!
I'm so sick and tired if all the copyright this, and copyright that.
And they only remove the popular videos 4 copyrite. The videos that make us all happy.
Niga Higa is a PERFECT example. Soon as 1 of there videos reach 1 million veiws they shut it down! D:
Greedy little things, I wouldn't have known half the songs I know now if it weren't 4 TH-cam videos.
They should take TH-cam as FREE PUBLICITY!!! Not competition. :(
It's really not about peoples opinions on what was worth it or not, and the idea that whether or not a remix is valid should be based on if you think it was 'worth it' is really not a very good one. It's just about people being creative, and everyone needs to be allowed to do so.
@MrInstrumentalist Ok, I understand. I wasn't completely disagreeing with what you say. I hear ya, I know what you're saying. And I like this friendly debate, I am just concerned about the whole issue. Thanks!
My AMV which I worked 3 hours on got deleted by 4Kids I don't even see how that CAN'T be a promotion for them.
If you can film your next video inside Starbucks in front of their menu board or inside the gym that you work out in during their busiest hour then you will prove your point about your surroundings not being subject to any infringement. Until then I will say that copyright is protected by law. Some think the concept of a speeding ticket is a fallacy in itself. Some get away with speeding though that does not change the fact that is is law.
When Ben Franklin & our forefathers created copyright law they limited it to 15 years. Disney's legal team have made copyright today infinite in order to hold onto mickey mouse. We live in a world where warner brothers OWN the words "super hero". Imagine a world where sherlock holmes, the wizard of Oz, or even Jesus Christ were not in the public domain. A limitation to copyright laws is the inherent life blood of socially relevent art & freedom of expression.
@thecostumedanceparty You seem to read copyright law as well as my posts and leave parts of them before you respond to them , like the word "consent" that I put in my post (scroll down). music is not a "sound" but a series of sounds that are notes put together (created) by someone just like a book is a series of words thoughtfully crafted. If you use a g sharp note in your video you are not stealing. If you use the word "mice" in your book then the author of "Of Mice and Men" have no claim.
15 year copyright sounds reasonable for a new product.
pathos, etos or logos?
@MrInstrumentalist So, you're saying it's legitimate as long as I buy the song? That's cool with me. In theory, I'm buying sound that the musician doesn't own, because musicians didn't create sound to begin with.
@Superfoiling yeah but singing their songs at a camp shouldn't be held under copyright law. (yes it's true it happened. the camp got sued or something)
Let me just say how much work is stolen from artists without their consent. There needs to be awareness.. The current copyright laws for Artist, Designers and Illustrators are lax..
times have changed.....there is a demand for all kinds of things but the exorbatant prices are not reflected as they are in films or music.....the overheads of making these things have dropped incredibly due to technology but they still charge the same to see or listen dont they? thats greed. if the price were fair people would cheat.
@Superfoiling
Wrong. Paperclips and shamwow are patentable subject matter (ie "useful arts"), but neither is copyrightable.
Copyright seeks "to promote the Progress of Science." Ie the goal is to promote creative expression, and really, only a modicum of creativity is necessary to be copyrightable.
His body was copyright edited out of the video.
Indeed. Stating that you're a "sad piece of work" and a "jerk" does NOT make me right. What makes me wright is your inability to counter any of my points - said points being (in order):
- Artists are paid (See $0.89XY). And that's not including concerts, live performances, or physical sales.
- You spat on someone's love for their child, and the institution of the family. Yes, sir - I DO attack the moral integrity of your character!
- How do these videos take away from artists?
Yes it does stifle creativity....that's kinda the point in a sense
@PortVienna80 Wait for it. Someone will sue the government for the rights to it.
@ExoticGawdess Don't generalize against everybody who uploads others stuff on YT and then claim to take the high road, you just end up with egg on your face.
@thecostumedanceparty I hear ya. actually I came in here and videos like this to get a better understanding of the pro piracy mindset. and to come up with a way to make the pirates work for me. I pretty much know all the reasons people came up with to support their piracy cause and I should really just observe but it's hard for an opinionated man like me to stop talking like I'm rambling on now ha ha.
Copyright laws and patent laws need to be abolished.
fixed. not abolished. copyright -10 years after copyrighted, if registered internatinally - 40 years. patent is fine, but must be very very innovative.
@thecostumedanceparty Just because a person are not a musician does not give that person the right to use a musicians work without their consent. I would like to travel across the country. The problem here is I don't want to buy a car so I'll just take your car , travel around in it and put it back in your driveway after I'm done. At least the makers of the "materials" you used in your video made a sale (you bought that wig) unless you stole it under the guise of fair use also.
Copyright owners need to chill out and work with reality instead of throwing tantrums about it.
yes
not like that....i mean works that share a bit simillarities ..
Copyright = the new censorship.
you know i remember when they closed the coal mines in the uk....it put many out of work.....ITS CALLED PROGRESS......no demand=find something else to do.....
moneymoneymoneymoneymoneymoney.
I'm sorry, did you mean copyright?
money!!!!@ more important than innovation hehehe.
By the fact people, in my scenario, are duplicating and gleaning value from the work - there IS demand. They just aren't paying for it. i.e. piracy. I urge you to go spend millions of dollars writing, casting, shooting, and producing a movie, then have everyone just copy it (I'm not talking about fair-use here) and not reimburse you at all for your hard work and money spent. See how inclined you are to do it again.
i agree its stupid they get there panties in ab bunch cause there songs are 8n the background befor google bought youtube there were very few copywright removed videos since then iv lost over 200 people who have been suspended someone should fix it or one day youtube will die
It's sad, really, what society is turning into.
The problem is its not the bands that forbid this..its youtube.. they don't have that right the bands do Ive asked the band ( Sinshrift ) I have permision soo ...lets say band like this...want music videos hell LP made a competition to make a music video with one of theyre song.. sooo idk man ...this law still sucks ass..
watch?v=7Q25-S7jzgs (better than the video above) Larry Lessig: How creativity is being strangled by the law
Maybe this whole copyright thing is over-reacting a little too much. Besides, some people run out of ideas for creativity.
easy they get promotion I make Music videos alot of people ( find new music through ..Copyright videos ) bands like Digital summer what never heard of them ? or sinshrift Im guesing you havent heard from them as well...they get popular they get noticed alot faster when People like me Make videos using them.. I edit for hours alot of other people like me edit for hours,days fuck even Months ! and we get absolutely nothing in return...noo youtube bands our channels shits on our work..
You see, Hufflewaffle, I do not attack others based on their opinion that red is better than blue or their beliefs on big government, universal healthcare, etc.
You have given me the rare oppurtunity to right an absolute wrong. There's more to this than your baseless opinions on music use - I would see that you learn to respect: children, freedom, love, motherhood, and families.
See previous comment, beginning with "Indeed. Stating that you're a..."
The "license," you say? How does this change the fact that the artist got paid?
You're one sad piece of work... A musician doesn't live off of 89 cents - A musician lives off of $0.89XY where "X" is the average number of sales their songs generate, and "Y" is the number of songs they create. Math, kid. Learn it.
The artist is making a fine living, and that the industry shouldn't be going after people like Stephanie.
So... how did Steph's video take away from an artist?
Good riddens to the crass garbage pasted all over the internet!
There's nothing creative about a bunch of drop-kicks doing a rendition of Lady Gaga or anyone else for that matter.
Copyright doesn't stifle creativity ,,,thankfully it stifles uncreativity.
ok boomer
There's nothing creative about copying other people.