For those who are considering the Deathadder Hyperspeed V3, I have 18x9 cm hands. I have tried both this Razer Ergo and the Pulsar Xlite V3 Mini (size 1). I find the Xlite V3 to be much more comfortable and usable for my small hands. I find it to be more supportive and usable. It has a curvier shape that locks you in and makes for explicit room for your pinky to be supported.
I am at around 18x10 as well and I can confirm this for sure. Deathadder v3 HS is great but the flare out in general is just too big. It's hard to get a non-cramping grip on it. The Xlite mini is much more forgiving in that regard and fits that much better.
interesting.. I'm 19x11 and I've been maining the Xlite Es but was hoping to see improvement with 8k in the DAV3 HS...was the 8k not enough to sway you? If it's shapes and ergo have you tried VAXEE's?
I’m a vaxee fan boy. Tried almost every top tier mouse, but outset ax wireless for life. Even tho I don’t need a new mouse, I still enjoy watching these videos.
@@JK-mv8nf I don't have the hyperspeed or the S of the NP01 since I have larger hands. I play league of legends most but dabble in a variety of FPS games as well.
Do you still plan a closed back headphone comparison? Like HD620S vs DT770ProX vs DT700ProX vs something common from a gaming brand for comparison, like hyperx cloud 2 wireless
I found you when i was on the search for gaming IEMs (been maining my Simgot Supermix 4 for months now) and now that I wanna look out for what mouse to get next i searched up ur channel again 🤝
Over $100 dollars for a mouse. 😂 I stopped buying more mice after the $45 Cooler Master MM710. It was just a trend chaser of what the Glorious mice were doing but I like the shape and size and don't really care too much about things like button wiggle.
You really explains how important for a company should prioritize quality over quantity. Not just relying on iteration, but also the willingness to experiment to create something new and unique. Along with a willingness to listen to questions, suggestions and criticism from customers and/or reviews. Those are fundamentals for certain gaming mouse products to be considered as one of the best and most consistent performing mice on the market.
Loved this. I have a lot of mice but the VV3P has quite literally made me take all the other mice off my desk, they're just obsolete. Really wanted a BLG stormbreaker but I was worried about the coating as I have swamp hands, and as you said, the coating is kinda glossy so I had to pass. Cool to see pulsar in the big 4, My Nezuko was really good for me, I couldn't decide between the Nezuko and the Sora V2 (until I picked up the VV3P). I can't look past the Sora V2 as the "budget" option, I got mine from the first batch and the QC has been PERFECT. If it was bigger (and actually had an 8k dongle as advertised) it would be in serious contention with my VV3P.
Cooler master mm711, older one but its still got the 3rd or 4th best sensor on the market currently. on sale for around $20 usually and I bet it blows all of these low/mid tiers out of the water.
I had one. Good specs especially for the price but mine had pretty bad flex/creak, M1/M2 moved side to side too much, and I wasn't a fan of the sensor position. I had another Cooler Master mouse with terrible quality control as well. I know 2 isn't the largest sample size but it did kind of turn me off from the company.
I have one but its quite behind others in latency - click or otherwise (from Techpowerup and own testings) as compared to even budget mice with 4K and Nordic MCU's. Which is fairly noticable when gaming. Its not a bad mouse and the shape is good as is the sensor but its simply outclassed and by even budget mice say VXE R1 Pro/M3S Pro at $10 more. Both of which are significantly lighter and can be used wired or wireless with newer sensor, better switches, build and internals.
@@hinchlikescake7592 I didn't get too far into the weeds with it, I just remember it feeling nice and aiming nice lol. I skipped all those low/mid tiers and went straight to a higher tier after so my point of reference probably sucks too lol. Switching to a razer basilisk wasn't a noticeable difference aside from the 8k polling rate. but on 4000hz the difference felt negligible. I get the vibe its diminishing returns up to a certain point
@@dakotaboker Yeah, the sensor is decent its the 3389 in the MM711 isn't the best anymore and even budget mice with 3395 with a good MCU can outperform it. The shape it GOAT though. But all I'm saying is that mice companies have moved a lot in the past year. Under $30 can get you near top of the line performance and decent build quality. I play 2K with competitive mode with my R1 Pro and its near instantaneous for responsiveness. And don't go higher because it destroys battery life. I think firmware and implementation is more of a larger factor than sensor. Not tried any Razer mice for a long time but the recent ones look very decent.
Have you tried the VXE R1 Pro/ Pro Max, ATK X1 Ultimate and ATK F1 Ultimate, all from the same brand and have had pretty positive reviews all around, especially the VXE R1 Pro and Pro Max
Never even heard about the LTC mouse before, and just by the look of it, LTC GM022 looks like a Xtrfy M8W & G Pro Superlight hybrid to me, which are both my top10 shape.
The only mouse style I care for is the 'mmo' mouse style. Sad there isn't a mouse that replaces the G600 as no other mmo mouse has G-shift (shift key for the ring finger) and the G600 has long since stopped being manufactured. The only sellers now are selling used products at extremely high prices. :/
Not enough reviewers judging budget mouse with perspective. Many people simply don’t have the resources to get flagship mice so knowing which budget options are actually viable is really important. You can’t just call them all trash and say “just get X mouse for 100-150” when to some people that’s 3 months rent
My mouse of the year is the incott g23, and ajazz aj139 pro 4k(great implentantion the most silent mouse i own). Both are GPX clones, but the aj139 pro is a bigger GPX, even better for bigger hands.
I’ve had the viper v3 pro since release and I love it, only problem is I have small hands and they tend to cramp after long gaming sessions. Do you think that the dav3 hyperspeed would suit me, or maybe the pulsar?
I still prefer wireless that use AA or AAA batteries since those can be more easily replaced (and there are USB-c rechargable options), love my Deathadder V2 hyperspeed. I wonder if the battery ever goes bad how easy it would be to replace it on the V3 hyperspeed
Ty Ty, easy hyperspeed pickup.. I have the x2h mini and I actually wanted to pick up the x2h es because I am starting to prefer larger mice. I’ve been playing with the vaxee xe and outset ax but The vaxee click implementation has that grindy feeling that is constantly in the back of my mind and extremely annoying when it happens.. I was going to pick up a lamzu thorn but I’m pretty sure you can re bind scroll wheel up and down in the razer app so that’s gonna be an over all deal maker for me.. I can use the hyperspeed in all games and re map the scroll wheel both in game and use a key modifier to add 2 more binds to it.. thanks for the review and since we have similar hand sizes I have picked up many of the mice you’ve recommended and I have learned a lot from each one.. Cheers Fresh
could make a video similar to this about the state of mousepads? i have been using a saturn pro since they released and im wanting to get a new pad. ive been out of the peripheral loop for a few years
@@FreshReviewsYT also talk about how to acquire said mousepads as well, cause everytime i am interested in a pad i can never figure out how to get it. for example how the hell do you get a rizz pad, they are out of stock everywhere and i have no clue if they are going to restock and when.
For GPX, I would recommend a lot of people consider 1 over 2. The value can be great and the clicks are lighter. I guess you could also hotswap mod the 2 if you want the clicks+4k. I noticed Zowie wired mouse stock is low. Could we see a ZA13-CW soon? Could dethrone X2H-ES.
Recommendation for a mouse that can make you use it instead of the super light? Mchose a5 It’s identical to super light shape just smaller. Half the price and performs well. Have played pro level fps and have been maining one of these for a while as it allows more spray control in the fingers with the same feeling of the super light just smaller,
Love ur vids! I was just checking your description and was looking at getting the tygrs and I saw you said they were wallhack grade for you in an old video but they’re no longer in the list in the description. Has your opinion on them changed since? And if not what grade would you give them on the wallhack tier list?
As someone who is not a pro gamer and does not want to spend $100 and up on a mouse for gaming, would you recommend going with a current budget gaming mouse over an older (say 2-3 years), well-reviewed flagship?
Hello Fresh, sorry again if this is unrelated to the video and asking again, but I want to know if there is a night and day difference between 180hz and 240hz? I mean a casual fps gamer would notice the difference between the two or nah? Btw, great video as always. I end up buying WLmouse Beast X as I've seen it on your video for the first time. I am trying to explore different shapes as I only used Glorious Model O-. Any other recommendations that may come close? (Even if not the same shape) Thank you!
If you’re casual I would definitely recommend a monitor with better colours instead of higher refresh rate. You really don’t need more hertz but having a better display quality will be a significantly better experience
Hate to disagree with fresh but I did all the hz jumps from 60-120-144-240 and somewhere between 144hz and 240 it really stops offering much discernible advantage . Inputs feel snappier and more precise but in terms of “slowing things down “ it’s past diminishing returns . However if your looking at 240hz at all you should be willing to spend real money on a monitor , you shouldn’t be trying to find the best deal , so if your putting real money in you will end up with a 240hz 27 inch ips panel from Asus or MSI anyway lol ( 180hz are so similar in price to 240 that there is no point not going 240)
I’ve been using the Razer Orochi v2 since it’s come out and I found it hard to switch. Although it’s a small mouse and I have medium hands I prefered it more than the Viper mini and even the Deathadder v2 mini. I am stuck deciding whether to pick up the Deathadder v3 Hyperspeed, Pulsar X2H or X2H mini. I am not sure what would be best suited for me coming from the Orochi v2
I love how you don’t dog on pulsar,I have never had any issues with any of my pulsar mice.seems like some of these reviewers go out their way to dog on pulsar.
My x2h mini had the sticky main clicks.. I just opened it up removed the padding they use(which is their grip tape) and it’s completely fine.. I could see where someone afraid of opening up their mouse could be frustrated though
not using the ULX? I actually like the Beast X medium quite a lot, but I have bigger thumbs and I kept accidentally actuating the side buttons in-game. So annoying. I don't have that problem on the ULX because there's more space to rest my thumb on the side. Also, Pulsar Xlite V3 probably a good ergo too? Competing with the Deathadder
Love Pulsar's special editions, but is it just me or does their customer service kinda suck? Hoping to upgrade from an Xlite to one of VAXEE's line up for better ergonomics. Or am I missing out on 8k in DAV3 HS? I play FPS on 240hz at matching frame rates, and I'm one of those who felt a significant upgrade from going from 1k to 4k.
Any good fingertip options? Using a relaxed ftip grip 18x9 hands. Was looking at an old MZ1 that can get at a decent price, but maybe there are more interesting options?
I dont think we need 100+ $ mouse now , i have Sora v2 and VXE R1 pro and build quality better on 30 $ mouse , both 3395. In past i have all premium : pulsar quality all times crap , have issues with viper v2 pro etc , g pro is a joke etc
Hey if money is no object what's the best when we compare the fa15 vs the volur Using a dx3 pro + For competitive gaming What do you find the diff between those 2
Currently own 3 mice, Keris II, Beastx and a OP1 8k, and I find myself using either the beastx or the op1. It's just something about the op1 that makes other mice feel bad in comparison and on top of it the coating is the best on the market.
@@FreshReviewsYT the Incott g23, and ajazz 139 pro 4k i really liked. Both are GPX clones tho, except ajazz aj139 feels like a wider back GPX and it has the most silent clicks ive used. Wh and the incott g23, u can swap switches. Hope you review those, cuz the dareu 950 pro, did not feel like a GPX to me. Felt a lot smaller. and different right flare. I agree with you with the GPX shape tho. I always frag on it. its the safest shape there is. And these two are the best clones there is.
Do any mice have optical switches on mouse 4 and 5? I have the viper mini and the m1 m2 are still flawless after 3 years of constant use, but m5 has double click issues or constant click issue if pressed slightly. M3 is also too hard to press while the wheel input is messy (scroll in one direction can activate the other way sometimes). I'm thinking about the DAV3H but haven't used a DA ever. I'm assuming it won't be too different from viper mini size...
Do you know if there are any gaming mice that handle hyperhydrosis well? The rubberized coatings on these gaming are exceptional for drier hands but once my hands have become that of a water bender's I find that the coating feels like a wet bar of soap lol
It’s tough when you start sweating a lot. You could try something with holes like the beast max so that you can dig your fingers into the side ridges like I do
Im kinda embarrassed to admit that I own and have tried over 50 different shapes and sizes and the one mouse still mainly on my desk is the… wait for it… GPX2
You're not going to pick a budget / Clone Chinese mouse over any of your picks. Yes some of them are usable and if you're on an extreme budget then they'll work fine. But picking them over a flagship = Nope
Isn't that always the case though? With literally any product, the flagships are always several times more expensive than budget or mid tier products. Budget products just need to work properly, and most of the clone mice do
@@mikerzisu9508it’s so good that the wire doesn’t even matter. You can barely feel the wire nowadays as well. Everyone is just spoon fed the idea of wireless
@@FreshReviewsYT As I say that I go ahead and (accidentally) buy the Scyrox V8 @ 36g which you'll probably understand the specs better than me, have you seen anything about this? It's Chinese, supposedly made by Lamzu in the VXE/ATK (which I haven't tried or vouch for) factories according to some redditors. My research is very slim but I need a new mouse. The GPX ran into every issue I can imagine after getting a taste of my anger issues 🤡
I would actually not recommend beast x mouse for pro play as on my copy the 4k mode only do 2k and i only found out while playing and feel something is off. I have contacted them and they send me a firmware update but its didnt fix it
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Yeah and his name is Fresh!! We never get our sleep when he drops them late😮.
For those who are considering the Deathadder Hyperspeed V3, I have 18x9 cm hands. I have tried both this Razer Ergo and the Pulsar Xlite V3 Mini (size 1).
I find the Xlite V3 to be much more comfortable and usable for my small hands. I find it to be more supportive and usable. It has a curvier shape that locks you in and makes for explicit room for your pinky to be supported.
Xlite v3 mini is goated. Cured my mouse buying addiction.
for my 18x10 hands i prefere the xlite v3 large but yes there very good
@@sheddz6662 22x12 and for me mini is perfect
I am at around 18x10 as well and I can confirm this for sure. Deathadder v3 HS is great but the flare out in general is just too big. It's hard to get a non-cramping grip on it. The Xlite mini is much more forgiving in that regard and fits that much better.
interesting.. I'm 19x11 and I've been maining the Xlite Es but was hoping to see improvement with 8k in the DAV3 HS...was the 8k not enough to sway you? If it's shapes and ergo have you tried VAXEE's?
I’m a vaxee fan boy. Tried almost every top tier mouse, but outset ax wireless for life. Even tho I don’t need a new mouse, I still enjoy watching these videos.
vaxee is fire
Vaxee mice are amazing, I find myself coming back to the Razer Deathadder V3P and the Viper V3P. Outset and NP01 are fire!
@@BSD5721 what genre do you play? I'm torn between tech vs ergonomics, turns out I'm a sucker for both. DAV3 HS vs NP01S...?
@@JK-mv8nf I don't have the hyperspeed or the S of the NP01 since I have larger hands. I play league of legends most but dabble in a variety of FPS games as well.
What are the dimensions of your hand?
Do you still plan a closed back headphone comparison? Like HD620S vs DT770ProX vs DT700ProX vs something common from a gaming brand for comparison, like hyperx cloud 2 wireless
Fantastic breakdown of why you picked your favorites. Always clear and communicated so well. 🍻
I found you when i was on the search for gaming IEMs (been maining my Simgot Supermix 4 for months now) and now that I wanna look out for what mouse to get next i searched up ur channel again 🤝
Glad I could help!
Over $100 dollars for a mouse. 😂 I stopped buying more mice after the $45 Cooler Master MM710. It was just a trend chaser of what the Glorious mice were doing but I like the shape and size and don't really care too much about things like button wiggle.
You really explains how important for a company should prioritize quality over quantity. Not just relying on iteration, but also the willingness to experiment to create something new and unique. Along with a willingness to listen to questions, suggestions and criticism from customers and/or reviews.
Those are fundamentals for certain gaming mouse products to be considered as one of the best and most consistent performing mice on the market.
@@juanaditya7293 yea
I know that ppl won't shut up about the Vxe r1 pro but maybe it's really worth your attention at this point
Haha thanks
I've been using the Delux M900 Pro Ergo and it's a really decent ergo. Very good performance as well and charging dock is essential nowadays imho.
I’m still waiting for the “must have” magnesium. I’m hoping Pulsar’s upcoming magnesium might be the one.
could be it for sure
Good old Fantech , the issue of Helios II Pro exists on the Helios II wild that they didn't even bother fixing it on the Pro edition LOL
Loved this. I have a lot of mice but the VV3P has quite literally made me take all the other mice off my desk, they're just obsolete. Really wanted a BLG stormbreaker but I was worried about the coating as I have swamp hands, and as you said, the coating is kinda glossy so I had to pass. Cool to see pulsar in the big 4, My Nezuko was really good for me, I couldn't decide between the Nezuko and the Sora V2 (until I picked up the VV3P).
I can't look past the Sora V2 as the "budget" option, I got mine from the first batch and the QC has been PERFECT. If it was bigger (and actually had an 8k dongle as advertised) it would be in serious contention with my VV3P.
Yea agreed!
Cooler master mm711, older one but its still got the 3rd or 4th best sensor on the market currently. on sale for around $20 usually and I bet it blows all of these low/mid tiers out of the water.
I had one. Good specs especially for the price but mine had pretty bad flex/creak, M1/M2 moved side to side too much, and I wasn't a fan of the sensor position. I had another Cooler Master mouse with terrible quality control as well. I know 2 isn't the largest sample size but it did kind of turn me off from the company.
I have one but its quite behind others in latency - click or otherwise (from Techpowerup and own testings) as compared to even budget mice with 4K and Nordic MCU's. Which is fairly noticable when gaming. Its not a bad mouse and the shape is good as is the sensor but its simply outclassed and by even budget mice say VXE R1 Pro/M3S Pro at $10 more. Both of which are significantly lighter and can be used wired or wireless with newer sensor, better switches, build and internals.
@@hinchlikescake7592 I didn't get too far into the weeds with it, I just remember it feeling nice and aiming nice lol. I skipped all those low/mid tiers and went straight to a higher tier after so my point of reference probably sucks too lol. Switching to a razer basilisk wasn't a noticeable difference aside from the 8k polling rate. but on 4000hz the difference felt negligible. I get the vibe its diminishing returns up to a certain point
@@dakotaboker Yeah, the sensor is decent its the 3389 in the MM711 isn't the best anymore and even budget mice with 3395 with a good MCU can outperform it. The shape it GOAT though.
But all I'm saying is that mice companies have moved a lot in the past year. Under $30 can get you near top of the line performance and decent build quality. I play 2K with competitive mode with my R1 Pro and its near instantaneous for responsiveness. And don't go higher because it destroys battery life. I think firmware and implementation is more of a larger factor than sensor.
Not tried any Razer mice for a long time but the recent ones look very decent.
love my x2h shinobu, been using it for 3 months now. If I didn't see your vid of it back then I wouldn't have bought it
Glad you love it
Have you tried the VXE R1 Pro/ Pro Max, ATK X1 Ultimate and ATK F1 Ultimate, all from the same brand and have had pretty positive reviews all around, especially the VXE R1 Pro and Pro Max
haven't yet
R1 pro is goated
Never even heard about the LTC mouse before, and just by the look of it, LTC GM022 looks like a Xtrfy M8W & G Pro Superlight hybrid to me, which are both my top10 shape.
The only mouse style I care for is the 'mmo' mouse style. Sad there isn't a mouse that replaces the G600 as no other mmo mouse has G-shift (shift key for the ring finger) and the G600 has long since stopped being manufactured. The only sellers now are selling used products at extremely high prices. :/
when you gonna review your new QD-OLED monitor? ty for the good content and excellent reviews
Thanks
I wanna start by saying how much I appreciate your videos
Thanks
Banger release again, thanks Fresh!
Love ya
Dareu a950pro Al-mg instead of Beast. a more universal shape with no holes on the sides and an excellent coating texture.
What can I say, its just a goated video. Subbed
You should check out the Incott Ghero Pro. Similar shape to some Vaxee mice but at a very affordable price. Great build quality too.
I have mouse owns!
Reviewed the VXE R1 Pro? Mouse is legit one of the best I've used with great build quality and clicks.
i don't think i have yet. i will take a look for sure
Not enough reviewers judging budget mouse with perspective. Many people simply don’t have the resources to get flagship mice so knowing which budget options are actually viable is really important. You can’t just call them all trash and say “just get X mouse for 100-150” when to some people that’s 3 months rent
So buy three shitty mice instead and be unhappy? You don’t need to purchase a flagship mouse NEW. Plenty of used markets if money is an issue.
X2H Mini #FR2 Edition is my favourite mouse for sure!
Perfect build quality with a less wide back than Sora V2 which allow more nimble movement.
My mouse of the year is the incott g23, and ajazz aj139 pro 4k(great implentantion the most silent mouse i own). Both are GPX clones, but the aj139 pro is a bigger GPX, even better for bigger hands.
I’ve had the viper v3 pro since release and I love it, only problem is I have small hands and they tend to cramp after long gaming sessions. Do you think that the dav3 hyperspeed would suit me, or maybe the pulsar?
so basically if you have small-medium hands just buy an op1 8k and if you have larger hands buy a gpx
Can’t go wrong with either
I still prefer wireless that use AA or AAA batteries since those can be more easily replaced (and there are USB-c rechargable options), love my Deathadder V2 hyperspeed.
I wonder if the battery ever goes bad how easy it would be to replace it on the V3 hyperspeed
The battery realistically shouldn’t go bad. But it’s actually not a hard replacement
hey, for budget mice, u should have a look at vxe r1 pro/max
Ty Ty, easy hyperspeed pickup.. I have the x2h mini and I actually wanted to pick up the x2h es because I am starting to prefer larger mice. I’ve been playing with the vaxee xe and outset ax but The vaxee click implementation has that grindy feeling that is constantly in the back of my mind and extremely annoying when it happens.. I was going to pick up a lamzu thorn but I’m pretty sure you can re bind scroll wheel up and down in the razer app so that’s gonna be an over all deal maker for me.. I can use the hyperspeed in all games and re map the scroll wheel both in game and use a key modifier to add 2 more binds to it.. thanks for the review and since we have similar hand sizes I have picked up many of the mice you’ve recommended and I have learned a lot from each one.. Cheers Fresh
Cheers!
What about the Sora V2 ? Also, out of curiosity, what would you think of a slightly bigger Sora V2 ?
it would be the standard sora no
Yea would be the standard sora. Would be dope to have the old size so the the new internals
could make a video similar to this about the state of mousepads? i have been using a saturn pro since they released and im wanting to get a new pad. ive been out of the peripheral loop for a few years
good idea
@@FreshReviewsYT also talk about how to acquire said mousepads as well, cause everytime i am interested in a pad i can never figure out how to get it. for example how the hell do you get a rizz pad, they are out of stock everywhere and i have no clue if they are going to restock and when.
Excellent top. Thanks 👍
I've had my endgames for a while with the Viper V2 Pro and GPX1
Just on time!
Lately I've been all about razor mice
For GPX, I would recommend a lot of people consider 1 over 2. The value can be great and the clicks are lighter. I guess you could also hotswap mod the 2 if you want the clicks+4k.
I noticed Zowie wired mouse stock is low. Could we see a ZA13-CW soon? Could dethrone X2H-ES.
Yea true
Do check out the new ATK mice, F1 and X1 (Viper Mini, VV3 Pro shaped respectively).
I’ll try
f1 feels less like a viper mini and more like the xe s in my hand tbh
Recommendation for a mouse that can make you use it instead of the super light?
Mchose a5
It’s identical to super light shape just smaller. Half the price and performs well. Have played pro level fps and have been maining one of these for a while as it allows more spray control in the fingers with the same feeling of the super light just smaller,
Pro level lol. Okay buddy
@@mikerzisu9508when I was younger yes.
@@mikerzisu9508toxic
Ive got the og deathadder still. I love the form factor of it, maybe it's time to replace it.
Two questions. 1. what dpi and sense do you use for apex? 2. I want to upgrade from the g703. What's the closest mice to it that you would recommend?
Tough man there isn’t really anything specifically on point that is GOOD. Try the new deathadder hyperspeed though
Dav3 hyperspeed and sora v2 🔥
Love ur vids! I was just checking your description and was looking at getting the tygrs and I saw you said they were wallhack grade for you in an old video but they’re no longer in the list in the description. Has your opinion on them changed since? And if not what grade would you give them on the wallhack tier list?
One tick lower than the 560s
When are you reviewing the Cyberboard R4 bebop version?
Maybe soon 👀 have two boards coming soon
I agree with the razer dav3 hyperspeed.
Maybe look into the new attackshark r6. its and interesting mice with super lightweight holeless design and 3950 pro censor
Looking for a third high quality one, op1 8k seems promising an has swappable switches 😮
As someone who is not a pro gamer and does not want to spend $100 and up on a mouse for gaming, would you recommend going with a current budget gaming mouse over an older (say 2-3 years), well-reviewed flagship?
Gpx 1 still goated
Hello Fresh, sorry again if this is unrelated to the video and asking again, but I want to know if there is a night and day difference between 180hz and 240hz? I mean a casual fps gamer would notice the difference between the two or nah?
Btw, great video as always. I end up buying WLmouse Beast X as I've seen it on your video for the first time. I am trying to explore different shapes as I only used Glorious Model O-. Any other recommendations that may come close? (Even if not the same shape) Thank you!
I think so on the monitor yea. Personally though, if your PC can handle it at this point go for a 360hz
If you’re casual I would definitely recommend a monitor with better colours instead of higher refresh rate. You really don’t need more hertz but having a better display quality will be a significantly better experience
Hate to disagree with fresh but I did all the hz jumps from 60-120-144-240 and somewhere between 144hz and 240 it really stops offering much discernible advantage . Inputs feel snappier and more precise but in terms of “slowing things down “ it’s past diminishing returns .
However if your looking at 240hz at all you should be willing to spend real money on a monitor , you shouldn’t be trying to find the best deal , so if your putting real money in you will end up with a 240hz 27 inch ips panel from Asus or MSI anyway lol ( 180hz are so similar in price to 240 that there is no point not going 240)
Bro I've been going nuts looking for a good mouse😂 ended up buying two
Do you still use the ULX Tiger? I'm torn between getting it, the Beast X Max or maybe trying out an ergo
I stuck with the beast
I’ve been using the Razer Orochi v2 since it’s come out and I found it hard to switch. Although it’s a small mouse and I have medium hands I prefered it more than the Viper mini and even the Deathadder v2 mini. I am stuck deciding whether to pick up the Deathadder v3 Hyperspeed, Pulsar X2H or X2H mini. I am not sure what would be best suited for me coming from the Orochi v2
As a user of both Logitech and Lamzu Mice, I do think you have overshadowed them as they are a great brand here which has been missed!
I don’t currently own a lamzu mouse. But yea they’re fine
I love how you don’t dog on pulsar,I have never had any issues with any of my pulsar mice.seems like some of these reviewers go out their way to dog on pulsar.
Agreed. I’ve never had any issues personally
My x2h mini had the sticky main clicks.. I just opened it up removed the padding they use(which is their grip tape) and it’s completely fine.. I could see where someone afraid of opening up their mouse could be frustrated though
DAV3 Hyperspeed def my #1 mouse of 2024 so far cant take it off my desk its so comfortable. Gonna be hard to top at its price point.
yea i agree
I love my Waizowl cloud. Might gotta support them a bit more
I hope the issue in the v2 was only on my copy. It feels really nice
not using the ULX? I actually like the Beast X medium quite a lot, but I have bigger thumbs and I kept accidentally actuating the side buttons in-game. So annoying. I don't have that problem on the ULX because there's more space to rest my thumb on the side.
Also, Pulsar Xlite V3 probably a good ergo too? Competing with the Deathadder
both good mice
Love Pulsar's special editions, but is it just me or does their customer service kinda suck? Hoping to upgrade from an Xlite to one of VAXEE's line up for better ergonomics. Or am I missing out on 8k in DAV3 HS? I play FPS on 240hz at matching frame rates, and I'm one of those who felt a significant upgrade from going from 1k to 4k.
The hyperspeed is nice
Any good fingertip options? Using a relaxed ftip grip 18x9 hands. Was looking at an old MZ1 that can get at a decent price, but maybe there are more interesting options?
Vaxee xe-s or beast x
I dont think we need 100+ $ mouse now , i have Sora v2 and VXE R1 pro and build quality better on 30 $ mouse , both 3395. In past i have all premium : pulsar quality all times crap , have issues with viper v2 pro etc , g pro is a joke etc
Haven’t used a new vxe yet.
@YXY703 do you mean the build quality on R1 pro better than the sora v2?
@@wengieangga4254 yes
@@wengieangga4254 +
Deathadder v3 faker edition, how does it stand against these models? Does it get gapped by these?
Not gapped. But I do like the smooth touch coating much more
Rip my harpe ace but my #1 is my x2v2 mini
Hey if money is no object what's the best when we compare the fa15 vs the volur
Using a dx3 pro +
For competitive gaming
What do you find the diff between those 2
The volur still wins. Marginally
X2h mini ftw. I have both normal black and muichiro version. They are in perfect condition, no issues and I ram them around 12 hours a day.
Don't sleep on Endgame Gear!
Love your vids btw.
❤️
if the op1 8k was a little bit bigger it would deserve to be on that list imo
best wired mouse 2024
hope waizowl fix these issues, promising mouse
Agreed
I recommend the now $70 xlite v3 to all I’m gonna try the x2v2 next because I’ve heard palm grip isn’t very good
Great mouse
Can you review for the best gaming modem/router?
Probably not. I play hard wired
Modem/Router doesnt make a difference on ethernet.
Currently own 3 mice, Keris II, Beastx and a OP1 8k, and I find myself using either the beastx or the op1. It's just something about the op1 that makes other mice feel bad in comparison and on top of it the coating is the best on the market.
Best wired mouse for sure
And none of them have optical scroll wheel encoder, for real? Zowie U2 is a top choice for MANY reasons.
Not a bad mouse
the vxe r1 pro and vgn dragonfly are decent, and so are the zaopin mice. thats really it though
yea zaopin was great
@@FreshReviewsYT the Incott g23, and ajazz 139 pro 4k i really liked. Both are GPX clones tho, except ajazz aj139 feels like a wider back GPX and it has the most silent clicks ive used. Wh and the incott g23, u can swap switches. Hope you review those, cuz the dareu 950 pro, did not feel like a GPX to me. Felt a lot smaller. and different right flare. I agree with you with the GPX shape tho. I always frag on it. its the safest shape there is. And these two are the best clones there is.
Do any mice have optical switches on mouse 4 and 5?
I have the viper mini and the m1 m2 are still flawless after 3 years of constant use, but m5 has double click issues or constant click issue if pressed slightly. M3 is also too hard to press while the wheel input is messy (scroll in one direction can activate the other way sometimes).
I'm thinking about the DAV3H but haven't used a DA ever. I'm assuming it won't be too different from viper mini size...
It will feel different. But I’d recommend checking it out. You might love the hyperspeed version
@@FreshReviewsYT I want a wired mouse but don't have any good small ones. This feels good, might get it later this year.
what grips are you using on the gpx
Would you say lamzu is flagship or still budget like the thorn and Maya
I don’t consider lamzu budget. I look at them like another pulsar type company
I have pulsar x2 mini And moving to vxe r1 pro
To be honest its an upgrade
i noticed you didn't mention the op18k is there a reason?
Yea because it has a cable and I very clearly don’t use wired mice
Do you know if there are any gaming mice that handle hyperhydrosis well? The rubberized coatings on these gaming are exceptional for drier hands but once my hands have become that of a water bender's I find that the coating feels like a wet bar of soap lol
Haha
It’s tough when you start sweating a lot. You could try something with holes like the beast max so that you can dig your fingers into the side ridges like I do
What would you say is the best budget mouse right now?
I’d buy pulsar which is on sale at Amazon.
hi, can you confirm that the cherry m68 and the LTC have the same shape?
They don’t.
Will u review the pilgrim?
no, checked out the Noir and i hear the regular is brighter
Im kinda embarrassed to admit that I own and have tried over 50 different shapes and sizes and the one mouse still mainly on my desk is the… wait for it…
GPX2
The cool thing about that mouse is also the endless opportunities of modding
Yea agreed
@@FreshReviewsYT I need to get some of those chameleon grips!
HyperX Pulsefire Haste 2 if it counts as budget
Are you still using tj plastix skates for glasspads?
Yea!
where did you get that awesome mousepad?
Addiceinc
You're not going to pick a budget / Clone Chinese mouse over any of your picks. Yes some of them are usable and if you're on an extreme budget then they'll work fine. But picking them over a flagship = Nope
Isn't that always the case though? With literally any product, the flagships are always several times more expensive than budget or mid tier products. Budget products just need to work properly, and most of the clone mice do
After 10 mice I bought(most of them are in the video), my journey ends after op1 8k. Best mouse for me even its wired.
best wired mouse for sure
Wired= pos
mines coming tomorrow, I’m very excited about this one, I’ve been looking for a mouse with my 19*10cm hands
@@mikerzisu9508it’s so good that the wire doesn’t even matter. You can barely feel the wire nowadays as well. Everyone is just spoon fed the idea of wireless
You are absolutely right,,, looking forward to getting one for my son, just hope it will drop the price a little
How does that esp pad feel?
They did a great job keeping the feel of the tang dao with a print
what about state of mousepads? i need a solid control pad for valorant :< i use slowpads
Type 99 or rizz would be great
I clicked the link for the top tier headphones ... 1700 dollars? Thats a whole gaming rig 😂
Which is why we have plenty of others.
What about the endgame gear op1 8K
best wired mouse for sure
Wired is for losers
Let's go!
to me it feels like weight reduction always ends in worse build quality.
@@DustyJumpWing not always
@@FreshReviewsYT As I say that I go ahead and (accidentally) buy the Scyrox V8 @ 36g which you'll probably understand the specs better than me, have you seen anything about this? It's Chinese, supposedly made by Lamzu in the VXE/ATK (which I haven't tried or vouch for) factories according to some redditors. My research is very slim but I need a new mouse. The GPX ran into every issue I can imagine after getting a taste of my anger issues 🤡
I would actually not recommend beast x mouse for pro play as on my copy the 4k mode only do 2k and i only found out while playing and feel something is off. I have contacted them and they send me a firmware update but its didnt fix it
Well, mine works flawlessly. Sorry yours doesn’t
What is your opinion on the lamzu maya ?
I liked it. I stand by my review. My hand cramps with it because of the width. But it’s good
Any of those you can vouch to lasts more than a year?
Everything in my top should. I’ve had most of my pulsar and Logitech stuff for over a year other than the new x2h es of course
@@FreshReviewsYT Thank you.
Will beast x mid size good for me or big i used the gpx it was too long for me my hand 17*9.5 i play realxed fingertip
Yes it would