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- engines were not made to run on liquid gasoline what a waste, converted my other lawn morrow over to vapor and cut my lawn on about 5 cents worth of gas
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Back in the late 70's, after reading about the guy that punctured his lawnmower gas tank and found he could run it on fumes, I took an engine and rigged it to run off fumes. The hose to the carb came out of the gas cap on top of the tank. Poured about 8 ozs of gas in the tank. I shut it off an hour later with gas still in the tank.
The original guy went on to put a vapor device on a big old Catalina or Bonneville. He found he had to warm the tank and reinforce it to not collapse.
Original story appeared in our local paper in the auto section. Thought it would be an interesting project, it was.
I believe you because my dad did the same thing but for much much longer.
Hello vaporkid.I did replicate your experiment exactly as you did here in UK and you are right everything you said is true my exhaust is barely warm there is no smell in exhaust.well done to you and thank you for sharing your knowledge and tests with TH-cam audience.joe
Excellent!!! Does it run any longer?
@@TravisTellsTruths no
now I'm considering mounting a pickle jar on the top of our minivan
lmfao
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kenton Fielding you'd be driving a ticking bomb.
kenton Fielding you do that
kenton fielding lolol
The timing of that alarm was icing on the cake !
"oh yeah there's no fumes" as the fire alarm goes off.
fire alarms for homes don't react on fumes, they react on smoke particles. Probably soot from the exhausts.
+IsbjörnXII you're nitpicking
+Markstang
I'm not saying there are no fumes though. theres probably a lot of fumes.
That may have been the carbon monoxide detector and he does not know the difference.
lol thats why he is taking a break ;) he must be Dizzy lmao
Great job! Hope that wasn't the CO Alarm. Lol. I always thought that an engine could run on vapor but never did any testing. It makes perfect sense. They convert cars to run on propane, that is the same principle. Keep up the good work!
The glass jar will make a huge shrapnel bomb when the engine backfires and ignites the incoming fuel/air mixture. This setup is a ticking time bomb.
+marcasdude i dont use that system anymore
glad to hear that... :D
lol!!!!!
+John Lannon Gas tanks also become reservoirs for vapors once the gas has gone down. There are ways around the safety issues
+John Lannon simple, just put a one way valve from the carb to the tank so if it back fires it can't pass the valve into the tank
Proof that some people don't have the faintest clue about how a carburetor works. Also not knowing what happens to valves & pistons when a too lean mixture is used for too long in an engine. It's not pretty,...trust me.
His future videos will probably be about a 12V. battery powered electric motor device that uses an alternator running off of the drive shaft to recharge the battery.
You just reminded me of what the Carb on my late 1927 model "T" was called ( a Vaporizer ).
+Commodore Sixfour And a bicycle was originally called a velocipede. Popular terminology changes over time.
lmao
I have run a two cars this way for a short time, but I believe it may be lean enough not to heat up too much
+Kevin Cyr these would be on cars but there not because it makes them way to Lean, you might save fule but in long run will wreck your engine the carb is design to cool the engine and to run it, the richer the mix the cooler it runs you could probably run it so its 10% more affecent but will not be easy to get it thinker fumes these make it 100% more effecent which is way to lean for engine.
so he built a crude carburetor. ....neat
You are very very clever! I wish you lived next door to me so you could teach me these things. thanks
Awesome, thanks for sharing.
The problem with using vapours in this way is the fact yes they do use less gas/petrol but are infinitely weaker. The reason carburetters are used in cars is because cars are heavy and need a lot of fuel to force them along the highway. The carburetter reduces the fuel into a fine mist and as each mist droplet is round it has a maximum surface area to evaporate into vapour. The oil companies are not really conning us the simple fact is you need more fuel if you want more power.
I will be converting my 1976 Chevrolet K20 4X4 over to vapor fuel, no one will believe me when im getting 100+ MPG in an old V8. Thankyou for your videos.
great show,my questions,what temp does engine go to on fumes,and what does the spark plug look like after running awhile????thanks for you info angie
The one negative thing about using fumes is when you need maximum power you fall a bit short. That is what I have found using my lawnmower. The rest works perfect. Nice work and thanks too.
You made a bong for your mower, sweet:-)
I tried this it worked great for me .
Remarkable, please keep us posted on your progress. When you get this ready for a roadworthy vehicle give me a heads up, I will purchase one before you become a billionaire. Great video.
donnie brown, using electrolysis I split water and instead of separating the gases, I mixed them in the same hose. this makes the hose a fuse so to speak. one backfire will ignite the whole system.
LOL what a jerk that was his Carbom Monoxide alarm going off!!!!
no that was fire not co2 fire alarmsgo beep ...beep... beep co2 goes beep beep beeep
Love how it took 3 pulls to start a warm engine! BTW.... fire alarms like the one sounding at the end of the video don't activate due to "heat". This guy has defiantly been huffing the fumes for too long.
Haha my thought exactly
Hahaha. I thought the same tjing
When he cut the air off to the mower the mower died because it was using the fumes in the clear tube. So naturally you would have too pull the starter cord a few times to get air and fumes back into the clear tube again so the mower can have fumes and Air to burn again. Some people are so quick to criticize.
Bryce Hambleton
oh..so the jar does contain"air",or more specifically,OXYGEN,which,in the event of a backfire,would cause an explosion...
There used to be a carburetor that got 100 mpg. Probably the same type atomizing system. They quickly pulled these carburetors for the more wasteful ones. Gotta love big oil.
i know
I don't think your alarm smells cookies, but this is interesting. You have created a second jetless carburetor that mixes air and fuel.
Awesome! The main problem with the bubbler/diffuser vapor method is that not all of that air that you're bubbling through the gasoline will escape through to the air/fume mixture on the other side. Some of it will diffuse into the gasoline, diluting it over time and making it "flat" and less able to run your engine.
+Cam Staubus that is correct, i do not use that set up any more, i use the wick system and heat my gasoline up, air bubbling through gasoline will go flat after a while and be no good.
Nice! Can you describe how you heat the gasoline? Do you use heat from the engine you are powering?
NO THINK OF IT LIKE THIS,IN THE AMMO BOX ON THE BOTTOM OF THE BOX I HAVE A COPPER TUBE RUNNING FROM ONE END TO THE OTHER END THEY WILL BE SOLDERED UP SO IT WONT LEAK, THEN I RUN COPPER TUBING FROM THE HEAD WHERE THE EXHAUST COMES OUT AND AND OUT OF THE MUFFLER ON THE OTHER END, AS THE HOT EXHAUST GAS PASSES THROUGH THE PIPE THE GASOLINE IS HEATED AND CAUSES A VAPOR TO FORM WHICH IS SUCKED IN TO THE CARB, THAT IS WHERE YOU GET YOUR MILAGE FROM, VAPOR
+Cam Staubus It looks like the exhaust manifold muffler is pointed directly into the glass container heating the gas.
the man just made a crude cast version just to prove the concept works I'm sure you could out of valve to his next one that will only let the air flow one way they're really cheap but thank you for making the video anyhow man I appreciate it
This is an interesting concept . . . It is very similar to a carburetor except the jet doesn't go into the liquid gasoline. I wonder if it would perform better if the hot exhaust gasses were aimed at the container of gasoline.
oh for sure that will work they should do it and please set the camera a little further back so I can see the bigger picture can't wait so excited
I dont know what your are talking.but.i think that is awesome
is there a site that shows a ratio on gas to vapor , something like 1 gal of gas is equal to 3 hours of vapor
GENIUS THANK YOU AWESOME 👏
I have been running an old pressure washer with propane, barely cracked valve, the hose connected into the air filter.
wow. can't believe all those guys who invented things like Saturn 5 rockets never thought of this ......
at what rate does gasoline evaporate? It makes sense that it would work because good engines have injectors that atomize the fuel better.
The Yard Machines mower at the start of the video is an excellent piece of equipment to own. The one I have has been running like a top for 16 years. If you can find one, buy it.
Awesome job guy
will this work on my electric mower?
can this be performed with a efi system or does it have have a carburetor?
that's a project worth trying. is it possible is my question.. and also what kind of vapors per gallon would something like a 4cly car have if it does work...
A couple thoughts. Mix the gas with acetone at a ratio of one ounce per ten gallons and use exhaust waste heat to heat the gas.
so why hasn't this invention hit the market?
Badger Fishinski oil monopoly
I am wondering if you put some sponges in the jar to hold Alcohol if you could run it on the fumes also?
I did experiments similar to this over 35 years ago on our family briggs and stratton mover .
starting was very hard on colder temps.
Once all the liquid fuel evaporates, a milky white gooey residue is left behind at the bottom of the jar .
i concluded that the residue consisted of all the additives that were in the fuel as well as the moisture that was in the air that was bubling through the liquid fuel.
Throttling control was also very erratic.
After a couple of months of experimenting I decided that the existing carby system was working just fine and therefore i abandoned futher research .
i came to same conclusions few years back.i went a bit further and converted car to run on vapour.only way to evaporate petrol completely is a extreme heat.i sprayed petrol on hot exhaust manifold which turned in white fog mixed-up with fresh air in it go to engine..achieved app 40 increase in mpg .than i lost enthusiasm and abandoned project as i was expecting much higher increase....
It works used an old gas can, we put 5 holes hoses going to the bottom and one going to the carb, taped off the air filter, fired up easily.
Simply amazing 😉
your fire alarm has a carbon monoxide sensor on it and it still went off
Im thinking about testing this idea out. Im thinking a little 49 cc motor for a bike to start since itll be a pretty cheap way to test it out. From what I can tell you have the vapor output tube running into the gas tank, correct? Ive seen others run it into an air intake, but this is slightly different. I get that the air flows in to bubble the gas and create gasoline vapor, which the motor then runs on. I just want to make sure I understand where it is routing to. Would 2 stroke gasoline affect the vaporization at all? The 49 cc motor i'd like to use runs on 2 stoke mixed gasoline.
Try some kind of screen or mesh with over the end of the bubbler and try different sizes of holes in the mesh/screen.. That way it would introduce LOTS MORE bubbling action and it would be 100x more efficient at creating vapers..
Could also use one of those things in a humidifier that creates vapers. That would be super efficient as well. and maybe more controllable.
Engines were never intended to run on Petrol at all, the first engine was built to work on a peanut oil i believe.
There are these things called fuel injectors or Carburetors that do exactly what is shown in the video. They both vaporize the gas before injecting it into the cylinder.
the metal box on top of the carb only serves to blend the gas and warm air coming off the exhaust manifold, the vapor is controlled by the throat of the carb, my friend built it so i couldent tell you every thing about it, i built my own system on my dodge ram and i have my vapor hooked in to the intake of the plenum. its ok but i will be hooking it in to the fuel rail with it being pressurized, it will run a lot better
What happens if the jar produces too much vapor and your stuck in traffic
I'm guessing his "fire alarm" as he called it is a smoke detector and/or a CO detector. He said the fire alarm was sounding because of the heat in his garage, fire alarms normally only sound for smoke in the air, not heat. So that being the case, I am assuming it is either smoke setting off the alarm or it's the carbon monoxide setting the CO detector.
Whatever the case is, this vapor running engine sounds great & possible, I would like to try it sometime.
I'm just not sure of the best way to secure my 55gal drum, up right on the roof of my Yugo?? Do the think the highway patrol would pull me over when I attempt to drive thru the tunnel on I95??
This is almost as fun as flat earth and free energy machines!
what material are you using to wick the gas?????angie
I literally thought that the smoke alarm in that video was the smoke alarms in my house
wow you reinvented the carb
your cookies must be burning because the smoke alarm went off
LOL no gas vapor what so ever then the smoke alarm goes off.
+tim ray Thinkin the same thing
+tim ray Smoke detectors don't go off when they detect heat as stated at the end of the video. They go off when either a photo cell detector is blocked by smoke particles or smoke particles in an ionizing chamber attach to ions and neutralize them. Some smoke detectors can detect smoke and carbon monoxide, so it is possible his was going off because of high CO levels. This person isn't smart running that engine inside a closed garage even it is running on fuel vapors. Even propane engines produce varying amounts of CO.
There are certainly models of fire detectors that monitor the fate of rise in the room. Mine are that way. If it doesn't you got a cheapo.
He forgot his wife was baking cookies. Most smoke detectors do not use temperature increase to go off. They check for the results of combustion. His detector went off because of the exhaust from the lawn mower.
DPM.OASIS1@GMAIL.COM,
I don't always huff gasoline from a rubber hose inside of a pickle jar... but when i do? I only use the finest gas bong on the market. Briggs&Stratton...
I just tried to stick the hose into the carb,but had no luck.My question is haw much aie are you getting through that manual valve on the tee.Maybe I'm getting too much vapor not enough air???? help angie
Angelo Lapasota the air ratio is 14 to 1 meaning it takes in more air and a little gas, that system was ok but i now use the wicking system, check out my videos its the one with the amo box
vaporkid are you inducting the gas vapors from the inlet that used to house the air filter?
it still has a carb attached to it but taking in only gas vapors from the manifold that used to house the air cleaner right?
whats that metal canister rotating next to the glass bottle?
have you tested it on the real ground to do work yet? i understand this technique starts well but still need a lot of tuning and experimenting to make real work with loads and still stay running.the vapors also need to exit quickly into the engine to run real loads like moving on a car, so it may also require heating from the bottle itself to induce high speed vapor induction..the part where it gets dangerous is the adequate safe heating control when it is required to run loads and where its not needed as the load eases...these require massive studies and experimentation with proper cut off valves and special bypass valves that throw back the unused vapors safely to the fuel tank without inducing self ignition, etc
i can hardly hear your voice from the video, good luck in your endeavours!!
how did you hook it up
so I'm totally new to this whole technology. how easy would it be to convert a fuel injected engine? if you thevaporkid could possibly pm me I'd love to learn more about this and get more specific about how I would convert my vehicle. thank you for the video!
You should put a check valve on the intake (it allows air in but keeps fumes from coming out
AWESOME MA BRUTTHER !!!!!!!
Petrol engines don't run on 'liquid'! They run on vaporised petrol, which is basically fumes! You have built a very crude and simple carburettor. Congratulations. I'd recommend that you stick with the one at was already on the sodding engine though, it's a little smaller and less bomb-like.
Sooo..Instead of using the carb to "atomize" the fuel its just going thru in vapor form ..Understandable. Which in turn would use less LIQUID fuel. But it has to be asked ...what about the rpms ...are they ...deminished at all ..or ..can I step on the pedal and get the same performance?
I'm not sure if gasoline has lubricant properties but I know diesel does. does any body know if running an engine like that in a pure lean mixture would cause premature wear in like pistons liners n the compression rings? idk I'm no expert but just a thought...
Alberto Rocha
The idea and concept are sound. Liquid gasoline is reduced to vapor before it enters the combustion system of the engine. It's the vapor that burns, not the liquid. That's why additives need to be used in fuel mixtures. In very cold climates, the additives make the fuel fume easier or the engines wouldn't run. In very warm climates, the additives used are to reduce the fuming rate of the fuels or vehicles would just blow up, even sitting idle at a curb.
The problem that needs to be addressed is when the engine back fires, how do you keep the fire from reaching the fuel tank? This could cause a very nasty explosion that could endanger life and limb.
Maybe an inline spark arrester would be a good investment, could help keep you from being blinded, starting a fire or killing someone.
Thanks
Is the bubbles in the bottom of the gar from the vacuum of the vavles
yes it is the same principal as a venturi drawing gas from the base of a carburetor. all carbs i know of have emulsion tubes to vaporize gas into micro droplets to be included in the intake air stream.
will it run on moon shine? and as far as water vapor goes you can mix water with the gas the vacuum should draw both.
YES
Sounds like the oven alarm went off. Your cookies are done.
Did it ever back fire and blow up??
Vaporkid hi there I'm Eliah, do you make any kits for cars or trucks, if so how much would it cost, I would like to get in touch with you.
So the essential idea of these vapor carbs like Pogue etc is that the engine runs on vapor, not small gas droplets? its is a gaseous state versus a liquid state?
I also believe that the reason this may be more efficient is because regular carburetors are so close to the motor that they do suck in some liquid gasoline as well as vapors making fuel consumption increase.
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can always build a blow up cage for bottles. a gallon jar of pickles pigs feet perhaps. yep I'm sold!!!
Nice carb you built here :), be careful, I built same while ago, and it exploded.
It seems that an air/vapor pump located between the tank and engine could possibly supply the higher demand needed for increased performance on cars. This would create a low pressure (increased vaporization) upstream and a higher manifold pressure downstream. Never tried it. Those vapor could be dangerous if not contained.
So you made a gas bong for your mower, neato
Jaime Saenz
I don't care what you smoke, if you really think I would believe whatever you write you must still be in grade school LOL, because you clicked read more LOL, I couldn't care less about your claims so I didn't even bother to click "read more" LOL, grow up troll, muted.
I thought the same thing bong
heath conley
Works the same anyways, but don't try gas in a real bong, I bet your day would be screwed after that.... LOL.
Lol certainly
ArtScience
I know your suppose to put the grass in the bong.. . LOL
So the gas vapor walks into the bar the bartender gives him a glass of fumes and the smoke detector in the bar went off the bartender said "Here's some Cookies" We said "RUUUUUUUNNNNNNNN!!!!!"
What's the valve for on intake tube?
You open and close the valve to adjust the speed
smart . good video keep working at it .
how I get a diagram how to make it
So whats your mpg??
I ran a 350 Chevy van on gasoline fumes that were created by heating gasoline with copper tubes with coolant running through them. I started on the carb and then switched over when the motor was warm. I found that when running on the fumes the engine became cooler and then less fumes were created. The motor did not detonate or have valve problems. Do a patent search. Ford has a patent on a similar system. The patent is clearly claimed to run on gasoline fumes and it is obvious in the diagrams. The patent was issued along withe the text claiming 100 plus MPG. The Ford system uses electronics to adjust for the temperature drop.
I did the same thing to 350 in a car I did have to add a thumper like in a distillery and got 40 plus mpg
my dad ran the lawnmower on propane and truck too use lithium valves in them the truck only ran slow in the hills he used a alcohol and water vapor mister then it seemed to help on them hills
The mix of gas fumes and air in your jar is a huge bomb just waiting to explode. I read somewhere that 1 cup of gasoline evaporated into a suitable air volume is equal to 6 sticks of dynamite.
Cool you reinvented the carburetor now gfy.
hey fyt
Welcome... I understand, that there is no other fuel tank than this jar. Can you measure or calculate usage of gasoline comparing to the old method? Is it working longer? Besides I guess that traditionally engine is rather made to be filled with gasoline which lubricate the engine somehow so probably it should work on both methods...
And as soon as it hits more than 3 blades of grass, it shuts off because it is starved for fuel. Extremely lean mixture.... how long do you think it will run under load? For anyone who doesn't understand, Google the term stoich, or stoichiometric ratio to get a better understanding.
As Bill the science guy once said," that makes no f#%€ ing sense, "that's with the motors carb does for you it transforms the gasoline in to vapor.
@ fidel I believe that was the muffler than came loose
mr chevaish roop is right. eaven though the engine can run on vapors alone it would overheat the engine. the oil is used to lubricate and cool the bottom end of the engine but the valves are cooled by the incoming fuel mix during inertia supercharging stage. the reason why allot of newer cars hesitate off idle is because in order to pass epa emisions they run super lean....wich also leads to mechanichal failure later in the engines life :(
i dont know why a lot of people think that a engine will overheat on vapor, some say it will warp the valves from getting to hot, well i have been messing with this vapor on my engines for over 10 years and i have not damaged none of them from what there saying, these people need to try it and see what it dose in stead of telling every body what it would do!!!!!, get out of the box and try doing it in stead of telling it cant be done.
I want to see it back fire that would be a good vid
A secondary fuel tank to accept the vapor along with a one way valve on the fuel line is the answer to not exploding due to a backfire. it will choke out.
I have been experimenting with using vacuum pressure and a wicking screen. gasoline evaporates very readily will put a video and share a link at some point life's busy
BUT WILL IT CUT LIKE A NORMAL MOWER
Cookies are ready!! Beep beep BEEP lol I was thinking about using wicking too, but to still have the bubbling. A lanterns wick pulled and spread apart.
awesome!