M2 iPad Pro vs Surface Pro 9 - Is Windows on ARM Good now?!
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- Microsoft's brand NEW Surface Pro 9 tablet comes with the SQ3 ARM chip that is meant to take on the M1 chip, but the only problem is that iPad Pro is now on the M2! Which will win?
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M2 iPad Pro vs Surface Pro 9 - 00:00
Design Differences - 00:00
Keyboard Accessories - 3:08
Testing Keys and Trackpads - 5:11
Authentication Differences - 6:48
Webcam & Microphones - 7:14
Speaker Comparison - 7:57
Display Differences - 8:59
Display Quality Comparison - 10:19
Storage Speed Test - 11:36
Geekbench 5 CPU - 12:07
Web Browsing Speed - 13:32
3DMark Gaming Test - 14:07
Adobe Lightroom Photo Editing - 14:55
Which one should you buy? - 16:58
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Can you Compare the m2 ipad pro with the surface pro 9 intel 12th gen version
I’m an apple fan myself, but surface despite being slow, you can actually do real computer works with it because of the operating systems unlike iPad with all this power but it can only use as an iPhone. We needed MacOS on the iPad 3 years ago if it’s not longer.
I disagree… I prefer having a tablet that doesn’t work as a MacBook Pro. I mean the 12.9” iPad is huge to hold as a tablet already so if they would create a16” to work as a hybrid would be ridiculous. I have the 2018 11” cellular and 15” MBP from 2016. They both still work as new btw apart from the fact that I can’t download latest Mac OS on my MBP. But, I’ll keep it for another 2-3 years if no issues happen with it because the battery still holds its own for over 5-6 hours which is still better than many Win laptops.
While real computer work is subjective, it is time for Mac OS on an iPad.
I do not want a touchscreen Mac, I want an iPad with Mac OS.
Have you not seen stage manager with external monitor use with keyboard and mouse?
In real world day to day use you don't really feel the surface being slow. I am on Surface Pro 7 i7 16gb ram and its still good to this day. Ive owned it for over 2 years. It all depends on what your are doing. Every device has its limitations, for the arm version of Surface, its the incompatibility of apps not being compiled to run natively on Arm. Slowly that will change as more developers create Arm versions of their apps.
@@jonathanmenendea9326 it all depends on the company.. even apple's first gen ARM soc M1 destroys this cpu
One advantage I see for the Surface is, that it has a mature operating System, meaning it can run full version of Adobe Creative Cloud applications instead of the limited versions available for the iPad...but taht advantage comes short due to the ARM architecture, which limits the available applications again.
I am just hoping that Apple at some point in time will merge iPad OS and MacOS making it possible to run all the pro apps on the iPad as well.
Correct, this alone is why ppl will go with the Surface over the ipad despite it's drawbacks.
@@OneTableManyChairs yep bean counters rule apple .
As far as I know adobe apps in windows on arm is still on beta and not available for public yet. So no I don’t think you can run adobe at all on this sq3
@@alanchan1917 yea they don't even know that xd
I have been searching for videos online that show app compatibility for SQ3 and latest windows 11. Seems like ARM is partnering directly with Microsoft for better x86 emulation support but I literally don't know how much it has improved because no one is posting any videos on it. I want to use it for development and watching videos mostly.
The ARM version of the Surface Pro 9 doesn’t have Thunderbolt, only the intel model
Still has USB-C though.
@@thesupremekai1980sthat doesn’t make sense why would they not put Thunderbolt in the ARM version? I love the transfer speeds of Thunderbolt, that’s a deal breaker for me.
@@Goldenchild325 It will be for some people. Very few though
@@thesupremekai1980s the arm version still works with thunderbolt docks minus the speed. So its not that bad. People buying the arm version normally has a workstation pc or mac pro.
I’m using the exact same model on a thunderbolt 3 dock and works fine lol
Doesnt matter if they put the m1, m2, m3 or m100 chip in an ipad. As long as it is limited by the ipad os, devices such as the surface pro can still beat it any day.
This is apple's way for you to buy a tablet and laptop
Mmm no it can’t beat iPad m2 it’s the most powerful device not just in the computer aspect mostly in the tablet way. The surface is a piece of shit
I agree in a way, but if you are a person like me, who has MacBooks and IMacs and you want a tablet experience and I do believe Apple is going to bring more professional apps to the iPad followed behind Davinci resolve so the iPad is Futureproof and the surface pro will be outdated within two years
@@owksk2848 Sadly, Apple has handicapped you.
As a tablet is great but not as a computer, if you want a desktop software buy a laptop, why would you buy an iPad or tablet in general if you don’t like their software?💀 it’s great for us that don’t use specific programs that are only available on computers but still want a fast device to export big files or documents and that type of stuff not really for programming or activities that require a desktop like software.
You know windows on arm is just as gimped right?
Wow I’m an Apple guy myself and have had a surface pro in the past which I actually loved but i was really surprised at how much better the microphone quality sounded when you compared the camera and microphone’s. It sounded really loud and clear i was surprised at how muted the ipad sounded
Yes , the mic on the ipad is pretty crap , add to that the weird camera pozzy on the ipad , its a pretty low bar set up for an alleged “pro” device.
You can see how much farther he was sitting from the device though
@@JD-rox true
@@mikldude9376 they definitely need to address that and the new pro’s and air’s should have never shipped Without them figuring out how to make the landscape camera and Apple Pencil 2nd generation magnetic charging work together. Pretty bad when you second guess getting the air or the entry level ipad just because you really want that centered camera lol
@@JD-rox he was not any futher back, it looked as though he was further back because the ipad has a wide angle lens to accormodate center stage
Tbh I would prefer a comparison with the intel version of the surface pro 9 cause even though Microsoft is putting in the work fo windows in arm to be a viable option it simply isn’t yet
Exactly. The guy didn't even mention emulation and all
Try and do some typical office worker comparisons such as word processing spreadsheets etc not all of us working in photo and video editing
Ah but then he wouldn't have such a clickbatey video
I'm not sure if this is entirely fair because we know all iPad apps are at least optimized for ARM chips while windows on ARM can be a mixed bag ranging from pretty smooth to terrible or not even being supported. The Intel version of the Surface Pro will be a much better comparison.
I still use my surface pro 4 from 2015. It works great. I switched to a Lenovo in 2019 but still use the surface for travel and mobility. I also have the iPad Pro. I almost stopped using it after switching to the iPhone pro max.
The form factor of the surface is amazing for work and travel. The iPad is great for media consumption. My Lenovo is a beast but I really don’t like to use it on my lap and gets too hot.
You should have compared the iPad with the Intel surface. Besides the battery and the screen, the surface is way more useful.
Give me an Intel surface with 2 usb c , 1 usb a, 1 SD reader, 1 headphone jack and I’m sold for good.
the Surface Pro 9 definitely has a better mic and video quality. I'm quite surprised. as for speaker quality, kudos for the iPad
Hahahah wtf bro ? U need a doctor for your ears
No, it doesn’t the Surface mic was louder, but it wasn’t clear, it was significantly overmodulated and had some clipping.
Windows on ARM has been good since the release of Windows 11. I used to tell people that the main reason to upgrade to Windows 11 is if you have an ARM PC. You can run just about everything except for SQL Server 2019, Dropbox, and probably Google Drive. But OneDrive works, SQL Server 2014 works, and there are lots of natively compiled Microsoft apps for ARM64. Upgrading with a 2230 drive on the Surface is one of the best features.
The iPad is an iPad. And the surface is an actual operating system. I own the iPad Pro M1 12.9 and a surface pro 7+. They are comparable, but they can be very different as well.
Good point. For example, try formatting external storage with that iPad.
@@29kalel really depends on the work. Can you elaborate? Really just curious i dont think there is an argument one way or another.
@@29kalel Really? Format a usb drive with your iPad then.
@@29kalel I don't give a damn about the Surface. I am just frustrated iPadOS is still just a pretender.
@@cbenson513 , I bought a 2021 M1 11 inch 7 month ago to replace my 2012 hp windows, ending up the iPad were use for watching media and still using the old laptop for working
A couple things. On the speaker test did you turn on enhanced audio? It comes off by default and it makes a massive difference in sound quality. Also SP9 supports HDR and Dolby Vision, you didn't even turn on HDR in the windows settings. Also your comparing iPad apps vs full x86 applications. It's apples and oranges.
This Surface is an ARM version, so it is not a full x86 computer. Windows on the ARM architecture has so far disappoint. I had a Surface 3 (it was a full x86 computer) many years ago but since then have not followed the progress of the Surface hardware, but this review reminds me of the Surface running on the inferior Windows RT during that time - so limited on performance. Microsoft has a lot of catching up to do when it comes to performance on ARM architecture.
bruv this surface is an ARM version... Even M1 is faster than this piece of shi8
@@j0ps-xfx It's Microsoft's first ARM chip, give them a break. It's not like it's Apple, who has been making their own chips for close to 10 years now and has designed their whole operating system around ARM based devices
@@j0ps-xfx even a12 from 2017 is faster than this piece of shiit in single core lol
@@crestofhonor2349 we customers are still paying the whole price right? Its their first ARM chip and they fckd up... Ok then give us customers a 50% discount... Will they give that? Hell naw... Its the same case with Google tensor too
You guys always crack me up in your reviews how you react to the tests. Great Job.
It is really frustrating that Apple still isn't making MacOS compatible with iPad Pro. Only reason I'm considering Surface Pro 9 is it runs Windows 11. I don't really care windows or mac, I just want full OS on my tablet.
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It wouldn't work. The ipad has no active cooling, with an M2 in there ipad OS is the limit.
@Ben Smith this is how I know you don’t know what you’re talking about. I don’t even have to try going into detail as to how that’s bullshit, I just need to bring up one product: The M2 macbook air.
Yet another device with no active cooling, running macos beautifully.
Thanks for your testing. I was getting a bite disappointed watching your iPad tests on the pro that you have done in the past years. I’m feeling better now about saving up for the I pad. I will follow your advice .
Get an S8 Ultra instead. In 99.99% of situations it's just a better device
To me the key difference here is versatility and when it comes to that the surface simply kills the ipad in every possible way. Millions of programs, not a closed system, you can connect any device very easily, much better multitasking and so on.
Numbers are just numbers, I love the ratio aspect of the ipad because I read a lot of comic books and it's perfect for that but for pretty much everything else the Surface is better, you have a tablet and you have a real computer. The speakers are great, by the way, just because the iPad's might be better doesn't mean the Surface's are bad, far from it.
Also you're using the ARM version of the Surface, so the comparison is not completely fair as the Intel versions are much better, not to mention the price of the magic keyboard which is ridiculously expensive.
He's just an apple worshiper!
Surface pro literally a no brainer over a giant iPhone
The Magic Keyboard case does cost too much, but one thing I learned from traveling with my old Surface Pro for a couple of years is that the back is entirely unprotected and there aren't a ton of good options to do much about it because of the integrated kickstand. You basically end up using a case case if you don't want it to get scratched up in luggage etc.
Never had a case on my surface but I use slip cases on it and on my laptops a lot of times.
You can stick a carbon fiber skin to it to keep it scratch free, but that's about it. If the magic keyboard lines itself with the same material as the smart folio keyboard then it's going to look like trash within 6 months if you bring it everywhere with you. Your ipad will be protected but your magic keyboard will look like you've used it for a few years.
@@hzzn I can't speak for everyone of course, but my Magic Keyboards (11 and 12.9) held up great. Still look new. My only problem is that my black one (12.9) always looked covered in fingerprints. I gave away the 12.9 when I got this 11, but I've used this white Magic Keyboard now for maybe 15 months and it's still like new.
@Snakie Is Here You can get the Surface Pro keyboard in different colors if you don't like that specific one.
@Snakie Is Here But it also limits the amount of angles you can position the device and it's because of its floating design that there are no function keys. Also, the surface can stand on its own without the keyboard and the keyboard can be magnetically attached to the screen for an angled typing experience if you don't like typing flat on the table.
But I understand what you mean. The floating design does look more modern and it looks like it's magically floating hence the name Magic Keyboard and it allows you to take it off its keyboard easily compared to the Surface.
Love the ending! Very entertaining. Great energy as always!
The M2 chip is a laptop/desktop oriented chip... the SQ3 is purely mobile. A fair comparison would be with an intel core. Even if the architecture is different, the chips are made for specific reasons. Still, very surprised on how far ahead Apple is in ARM chips development.
Yet the M2 gets better battery life lol
Well Qualcomm isn't as far behind, especially once they switched from Samsung to TSMC
@@MaxTechOfficial Absolutely. It would be nice to have a video with those two chips and really see where the M2 shines, since the only "downside" of an ipad is its OS, when intended to be used as a laptop replacement.
@@crestofhonor2349 yesss, I have high hopes that Qualcomm will catch up to Apple, but not happening in the near future
Its crazy how other manufacturers still can’t get the same trackpad experience after all these years
razer has the same trackpad as the macbook
Love your reaction at the end 😂
Was that the Arm version of Lightroom? I was expecting the SQ3 to be slower, but not by that margin. 🤔
It would be interesting to see the test running android apps on the surface pro 9 arm as it now supports its natively in windows.
I’ve done that experiences glitches that forces me to restart the tablet over and over again. Not cool.
@@alanchan1917 Man thats a shame, I own an ipad pro M1 but compared to windows OS ye cant do much
@@malavpatel77 I'm always curious about what exactly people want to do on the iPad Pro that they can't currently. I use iPad Pro and Surface Pro and they both have strengths and weaknesses. What would you like to see iPad be able to do that it can't?
@@DanielHarrisCodes used both and one the iPad the iPad is iPhone type first second tablet where as windows is laptop first tablet second of that makes sense
Personally i would say that it depends on what you want to use your device for. I can't use special programms on the Ipad that i really need. Also i dont need to edit High Quality Photos. Really depends on your Usage
which programs for example?
@@byCeevu Microsoft Excel might be one of them. Excel for iPad (or even Excel for Mac) is unusable for most work purposes.
@@byCeevu Cant name them at the moment but its industrial coding stuff for our automation machines
@@byCeevu programs for coding especially like visual studio
@@byCeevu I use BlueStacks a lot.
For those don’t understand the tech. behind Apple Silicon and saying it’s ARM and you can have the same or better on PC if they use ARM!
If that’s true the latest Snapdragon or Tensor could compare with iPhones, but they can’t. It’s like at least 2 gen. faster on iPhone. iPhone 12 Pro is still faster than most ARM chips on Android and the A15 on iPhone 13 Pro from 2021 is faster than anything out there. And now we got A16 and M2!
So yeah, it’s not ARM, it’s Apple Silicon and the tech. behind it. The Apple custom design, the cores, the cache, the shared memory,the insane memory bandwidth that’s multiple times faster than any PC in the world, the dedicated codecs, the insane neural engine and the GFX, the insane memory speeds, the insane storage speed and custom controllers, the energy efficiency which affects throttling, etc. it’s like future and it’s putting everything else to shame.
So I think iPad OS is perfect? No way, Apple is adding features bringing it closer to desktop but it still need more. But this “Crippled OS” is way better than desktop in managing RAM, much more stable and reliable, you don’t have sluggishness, freezes, restarts, viruses, cache problems (like on Android), windows drivers, registry and BSOD or updates pop up and restarts right when you’re ready to enter an important meeting! So, if you can get you’re job done on the iPad you’ll be faster, cooler, and more productive with better experience.
Apple silicon is much faster, more responsive, has better codecs and neural engine (machine learning and AI) than anything else.
So it’s not JUST benchmarks. Look at the browsing speed difference, export times and switching apps, those are clear PRACTICAL difference.
BTW, I’m a computer engineer and I work with computers HW and SW since 80s, and I use all kind of HW OSs and SW. and this is my honest opinion based of my knowledge and my practical experience as a developer, manager, student, eMarketer, etc. I run my meetings, complex servers setups and my business from my iPad Pro for almost a decade now. And I only reach my MacBook Pro with 2 27” screens when I need Xcode or highly pro stuff. Everything else is fine on the iPad and I take it everywhere. I don’t game, I don’t have time for it. But years ago I used it for Need for speed, and now I install some Apple Arcade games for my kids, not. a console grade but they are getting better, and I’m sure when RayTracing will come with M3 many triple A titles will move to Apple Silicon as it will be more profitable, because people spend more on Apple devices and SW, and because developers need to design once only and publish for Apple TV, iPhone, iPad and macs after miner modifications. So they’ll get much better exposed, wider audience and even people or kids who don’t have access to high-end gaming PCs or consoles, can have a cheap Apple Silicon device, be it an iPhone, iPad, etc. Apple Silicon is the master plan and the sleeping Whale that is just started waking. It’s only the beginning.
Remember when Job’s revealed the iPhone with no keyboard and everybody was laughing at him, including big brands back then like Nokia, RIM (Blackberry) and Microsoft’s Steve Balmer! Look how everybody is trying to copy it in everything, and who didn’t kissed goodbye to business.
The iPad was mocked as a big iPhone or just a eBook reader then everybody started trying to copy it when it started to canalise the PC market and wasting the market share of artists and photographers.
The Apple Watch was mocked and in only few years it became the number one watch in the world with s market share might higher than all digital and classic dumb watches including all Swiss watches!
Apple TV+ service that started with zero in its catalogue and now taking over HuLu’s market share and climbing.
And the list goes on and on. Apple didn’t become the first company with $1B and then the first company with $2B, then the first company to break the $3B out of thin air or because they sell expensive overpriced devices to their STUPID BRAIN WASHED FANS. The have a clear view to the future, besT business module, best supply chain, best quality, best stores, best marketing, best customer service, best experience, best privacy, best reliability, etc. I’m not saying they are perfect or they are your friends, no they’re not, they work for money, but they give you good HW, SW, services and experience for the money you pay (unlike others) and their stuff work together seamlessly. And the resale value stays and doesn’t fall like all the rest, so spending more pays itself on the long run. I’d rather spend more to get better everything rather than spending less and getting inferior experience with no echo system and little to no resale value. It to each his own.
So.. after steve jobs died, he became your god. Just like the roman emperors...
All of these mentioned are only matters of the privileged classes, imagined if you are poor and struggling to meet month's end in a third world country, would you be bother by all these? Of cause Nike shoes and LV bags are top of it classes, but only substantial for those affordable elites. None of these 'faster' benchmarks would make sense if you're broke or suffered with terrible sickness on a bed! Nor your worshipped 'god' could save you!
I can't believe you didn't know that you're supposed to elevate the Surface Type Cover keyboard to create an angle for typing, hiding the pen. It makes a hella big difference to the feel.
Sadly yet another reviewer that neglects proper research
Wow , it is what I've been waiting for . Thank you for your comparison.
No one gives a shit about it.
Despite all this power this iPad has, it doesn’t change the fact that you can’t do real computer work on it. I’d say just get the 2018 iPad Pro.
@@ANSt15 That's very kind of you
@@ANSt15 That's very kind of you
The surface pro form factor is just amazing
If the places an m2 chip in there I’d be magical
nah the bezels are bad
@@pulkitgandhi9545 and the speakers
@@pulkitgandhi9545 The look of the devices are subjective. Some people may like the bezels and some may not. I don't really mind them at all.
@@chidorirasenganz The speakers wouldn't really matter to a person that uses headphones and earbuds a lot. But they aren't the best. They're just decent.
Great work Vadim,/ max tech team, would have appreciated your thoughts on writing performance with the pens, as that’s my main objective with it.
You forgot to mention the surface also has active cooling which makes it thicker
also i don't think windows is good on Arm yet
I had an iPad Pro 1 year ago and I sold it and bought a Macbook. iPads are extremely fast but without MacoS on them, they are basically useless for work. Budget ipads like the ipad air are great tho for notes
Exactly. I bought a Mac and an iPad mini for the price of both the devices + keyboard in this video. I use the iPad to take notes and read PDFs and books. I use it as external monitor or drawing tablet for the Mac also, nothing beats such a setup.
Wow the surface audio is so much better
very detailed video as always.great job❤
Does browsing speedometer test change significantly if you use edge [ or chome ] for iPadOS? In other words is it the device hardware or safari browser or combination or the two making the difference?
As far as what I found is that the SQ3 chip is based on SD8cx Gen 3. The 8cx Gen 3 has 4x X1 core and 4x A78 cores. So it is a big boy chip rocking 8 big cores. Yet They are just no match for the 4 big cores on M2 which are ofc based on A15 but also are overclocked. From geekbench it seems like this SQ3/8cxG3 performs very similar to A16 chip in the iPhone.
Why not X3 core tho qualucom is so lazy lately
@@YG-rt5yk Not sure if it was a possibility to put the X3 core when it was announced almost 1 year ago but maybe the X2 would have been nice. To be honest the difference is not all that dramatic between X1 and X2. Another interesting thing is that they used A78 and not the A710. The chip is ARMv8 and not ARMv9. Maybe that's also the reason why they went with X1 and not X2. Tho there was a video explaining that the A78 is actually better and more efficient than A710 despite being based on ARMv8 and not ARMv9 which A710 is based on. Still it shouldn't be that bad in terms of performance. The geekbench score suggest a performance similar if not slightly better than A16's CPU. Yes the single core is 80-90% better on A16 but overall multi-core is very similar - 5700 compared to around 5500 on A16. Maybe the it performs worse due to having slightly inferior GPU to A16 but that is also not a reason for such a humiliating result. It could be an optimization issue
@@---sg9zj Yeah A14 and A15 were not very different in terms of performance so obviously M1 and M2 aren't either
It's not just technology, it's economics. Qualcomm can't come close to competing with Apple. Apple amortizes the cost of these very expensive chips over 300 million units including iPhone, iPad, and Mac. Qualcomm is lucky if they sell 3 million. Plus Qualcomm is selling the chip to another company like Microsoft in this case. They have to be concerned about the pricing on the chip so that MS would consider buying it.
Qualcomm just makes the margin on the chip component. Apple makes about a 39% margin over the entire unit. At the end of the day Apple can afford to do so much more with the chips than Qualcomm.
@@bruxi78230 Yes but question is why would Microsoft use such an inferior chip in their flagship device ?
It's worth noting that the ARM powered Surface Pro 9 (the one that has 5G) does NOT have Thunderbolt 4 ports, only the Intel powered versions do.
I haven't had a surface pro since the 5. But I remember that it needed to be plugged in for the surface pro to use high proformance and you also had to change that setting in the computer.
I was thinking the same thing. On most Windows computers you need to adjust the power settings in order to enable high performance mode. Just plugging in the power supply is probably not enough to switch to high performance mode. After you contact MS support, and get that sorted out I would like to see a rematch! I'm platform agnostic btw. I don't think any one platform is better than another. I believe in using the best tool for the job. I just think this was an unfair comparison.
@BurnaBunny I agree and I'm the same as well. This was an unfair comparison.
Wow the webcam video and audio quality of the SP9 was much better than the iPad Pro which I didn’t expect
The most slanted comparison ever, may as well have done my Apple . I'm sure they are proud of you. I'll take the surface, it's more practical for everyday use and definitely more functional for me.
I think for the most part it was fair.
He compared the surface pro 9 with the sq3 chip, 8g ram and 128g storage vs the IPad Pro M2 chip, 8g ram and 128g storage. Spec wise it was a fair comparison but during the software comparison on how fast it was the IPad had a huge advantage due to the fact iPadOS 16 has swap ram and can use up to 16g virtual ram for your storage. I think that gave it an edge. But I love to see it redone with the surface pro having virtual ram turned on and set to 16g and see if the results would be the same
a shocking difference, however there is one problem. The iPad cannot be used as a laptop replacement, the Surface can. For the slightly bigger part of us who don't use Lightroom (regularly) the Surface might just work better as an all in one device (I'm telling this as an iPad fan). Apple will keep us wating for a decade until everybody else makes good enough tablets with keyboards before they give in and give us a decent iPadOS.... So - although I was waiting for a capable iPad Pro for 1,5 years - I will probably buy a cheap iPad for internet/youtube/mail and casual streaming (wow no miniLED, so what, if I want movie experience I will watch TV) and a Windows laptop for everything else...
Oh and another, I guess many will agree that a good camera on a tablet is fully unnecessary, I would be curious to know how many tablet users make photos with their tables, I bet it's less than 2% (exept kids making photos of dogs being funny).... It is the phone that needs a good camera...
Exactly that’s the problem they can’t add a Mac OS with iPad App Store for games even though it’s powerful enough to
the ipad's rear camera wasn't even tested, because it's obvious who would win. the camera that batters is the front facing one, and ipad is definitely better
The iPad can be used as a laptop replacement for most folks
I use mine to make music, edit 4K video, illustrate and paint. It’s more than capable. The only thing it can’t do is format a drive, that’s it!
No it can, it just can’t replace a computer. You don’t seem to understand what people use a 13 inch laptop for, which is web browsing, scrolling social media, transfer files, view and edit photos, watch movies and TV shows, listening to music with the speakers, write an e-mails, and working with Microsoft Office, or even doing some light video editing, all of which can be done perfectly well on an iPad. If you want to do professional 8K video editing, you’ll be looking for a $2000 plus professional laptop or desktop anyway, a sub $2000 iPad Pro or Macbook shouldn’t be what you are looking for, and definitely not a Surface that is 6 times slower just exporting a photo, plus for none professional video editing, Lumafusion and Davinci resolve should be more than enough for normal video editing on the iPad, not to mention the iPad can edit in P3 Dolby vision HDR while you’re stuck with rec.709 SDR video editing that is 6 times slower; doesn’t matter if you can run Premier when your battery dies before you can even finish exporting your video.
Nice review keep up the good work
i went from a microsoft surface book 2 to a iPad pro M1 and i never looked back. not only is better for school work. it is a beast when it comes to photo editing. And when i have to edit something i just use my desktop PC.
I'm not in the market for either device but just wanted to say your review quality is superb and your comparisons are just top notch. Well done!
This is not a good comparison. Wtf why you have to compare Face ID with Windows Hello??? Why is it slower if you have to press just one more time the space bar! Come on! You have to compare the security of the system, not the speed!!!
Even Apple's do many jobs , the iPad Pro is still only a tablet.
And even though the Surface Pro looks like a tablet, it actually only works fine when it as a notebook.
They are not the same kind of product and cannot be compared.
I like my Surface Pro X SQ2 with 16GB of RAM. I also like the fact that I can customize my browser to skip annoying YT ads which I cannot do on an Ipad or Android Tablet.
Nobody is talking about it, but the charger you need for surface is bigger, similar to the MacBook, it needs 65w. Where as iPad Pro can be charged with your iPhone charger (change the cable to usb c). Small, handy and cheap. All in all, of course, surface is a better device for all office work. For ex, try to compare folder and file contents of two folders, good luck w that on an iPad and count how many clicks and switches you need for this simple task
I have both! I prefer the 2022 12.9” iPad Pro M2 and I prefer it 95% over the Surface. I use my surface mostly for managing a server and syncing files to a ps vita. Other than that, everything else feels if better on the iPad. I really wish macOS was available on the iPad. It is being held back by iPad OS.
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I want the 12.9, but the m1. Saves me some.. I want the better and bigger display
@Cons29 that’s a very smart move! There’s no real benefit on the M2 and I think Best Buy has the M1 on sale
hhh please give me your surface pro i use Photoshop on it for my digital drawings
@@JoseRuiz1348 I'm no longer stateside (I miss the sales esp Black Friday)
Is there an ARM version of Lightroom for PC or is the Surface Pro on ARM just emulating x86 Lightroom code using its ARM CPU? If so, then that may account for the slooow performance.
There are very few ARM apps for Windows and there is the problem. Unless you just use MS apps then emulation is all you get, which makes it crap. MS are finally doing what Apple did years ago, selling an ARM dev kit, but this is really late in the game, and will take 1-2 years to see any fruit. Do not buy the ARM SP9.
@@ahaimes6320 I agree. I have the very first SPX. Nice tablet, but sucks. I use it for TH-cam now. Got an iPad Pro last year, pretty happy with that. Even if a person sticks with MS Apps, the experience just down right stinks! I've put up with MS Surface devices since 2015. I have come to a point with Windows 10, 11, and the touch/pen implementation they have, I simply can't stand MS any longer. Everything is so janky, broken, subpar, and a headache.
Really great comparison, thank you
really like your video, I'm from outside the US. If you could add battery comparison of these two device, that would be better
I'd like to know the battery runtime comparison.
From what I've seen it lasts around 10-12 hours. It is an ARM chip so it only sips power
iPad will be worth buying only when MacOs runs on it and people get the option to dual boot Windows with it.
hey you!!! I have the SQ3 model I tested the performance And it's surprisingly good because I have more ram + storage!!!!
Still comes down to software. Microsoft Excel is one example for my uses. iPad is great for some creative tasks though. The software is still maturing for iPad.
The image quality and especially the microphone is extremely better on the Surface Pro
I disagree, I think the image quality was much better on the iPad (Vadim said so too). And idk about the mic quality, but I did notice the iPad’s recording was quieter, however it was also farther away so that probably had something to do with it.
The surface mic and camera quality is miles ahead of Ipad.
Microphone yes but not camera quality
Do you know if Apple will do the Magic Keyboard Folio for Ipad Pro 12.9?
With that it will perfectly compare with Surface kickstand.
I sold my MacBook Pro M1 and purchase my first iPad ever (iPad Pro M2 11”) with Magic Keyboard and iMac 24” for “computer stuff” that the iPad can’t. Is been 2 weeks and I haven’t touched the iMac since the setup process. I have done everything even on the iPad, like photo editing and video editing and more.
It might have been interesting to add the latest Samsung tablet with its “dex” interface (I think that’s what it’s called) to the comparison. I do echo the sentiment that the iPad Pro has great hardware, but its capabilities are significantly hampered by a limited OS.
Plus the S8 Ultra has the best screen by far being an over 1440p super amoled. The S8 Ultra isn't it this comparison because it would be the obvious winner
Ok maybe next year they will release a 13 or 14 inch iPad so they can compete. Also I think they will release a Magic Keyboard Folio style keyboard for the new one
Surface doesn't need to beat the iPad in quantity of products because it is far more functional do to its versatility. Was hoping to get the iPad for cad and 3d printing but the popular slicing software is not compatible.
What is it like to use the surface pro with keyboard on your lap? It looks way longer than an average laptop, with the kickstand out. I’m asking because the subject of this video is about laptop replacements, and I like to use a laptop on my lap.
Awesome review bro 👍 keep it up
To bad a surface pro is more functional
the problem with the ipad is that everything takes a lot longer to do, because of shitty multitasking and apps that are not as good as desktop programs. i used to own a surface pro and surface book but currently use an 12.9 ipad pro after i switched to ios/mac.
the only thing i use ipad for is sheet music, mindmapping and some media on the toilet. Everything else is annoying to do on the ipad compared to the macbook.
if you are not a artist or a musician who already owns a desktop/laptop, go for the surface. The surface is so much versatile.
Would you please tell me if the Adobe lightroom that you were using is ARM native or emulated for x86?
Please do this comparison again with the Intel version of the Surface Pro 9!
For me these two don't compare. Both are made for different uses and markets. I have both and older Surface and an ipad pro and use them for different purposes. The only reason I have a Surface is because it runs full windows and for my real estate business I have to run Windows only apps and I like the ultra portability of the Surface. But for anything else the ipad is hands down the winner.
I think you are right that they are different products.....but hey this is why people shouldn't use TH-cam tech reviewers as the be-all end-all source of info. OzTabletPC is one example of a channel where the people talking about the devices actually use them like a business user would so I would definitely recommend them and say they aren't "Tech TH-camrs" per se (in a good way)
Microphone and camera better in windows
Did you put the Surface's power mode to performance?
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Can you make a video on hover function. My pencil doesn’t work as I watched the videos. I was on the phone with Apple support , now it only works on notes after 30 min.
It's all a matter of your use case. I never boot up my PC anymore. I just use my Galaxy tab s8 ultra for 95% of what I do. Since I'm in the Samsung ecosystem it's way better than either the iPad Pro or the Surface, but that's just for me and my uses. Great comparison.
Same here. The ultra is fast enough for everything I use it for, is sooooo much cheaper, I can run apps from my ultra on my PC and even though the iPad display is brighter and generally very good I can't tolerate blooming and so the Samsung wins the display contest for me. The iPad 4:3 aspect ratio is an archillies heel as well. Great for seen browsing but lousy for movies, TH-cam, photo editing and video editing. 3:2 is the ideal compromise in my opinion but the 16:10 of the ultra is more useful more of the time then the iPad 4:3
Considering that you can actually run real applications on the windows machine, and a real web browser with an adblocker that works, the win goes to any laptop.
I’m so sick of my iPad Pro 2018 edition. It’s sucked since day 1 due to the software and nothing has changed.
I’ll take any modern MacBook Pro over any iPad any day of the week.
You guys need to do merch with However... Printed on it. You're welcome... Only 0.05 royalty per sale will do 😂
Type-c actually can charge the Surface, but you can't charge with Type-c and the normal charger connected at the same time. Plus, the power brick has to be at least 65 watts to charge at a normal rate, so it's definitely not ideal
Most of the benchmark apps you used on Surface are intel-based apps I can tell because my lightroom performs better than what you showed maybe you didn't bother to download lightroom for arm on surface. Nice Video Tho
Thanks for the comparison. The M2 processor certainly makes a major difference with the iPad. I know a lot of users would like to see Mac OS run on an iPad, but I often use Jump Desktop to connect from my M1 iPad to my M2 MacBook remotely and it just doesn’t feel like the right answer. MacOS is a great OS, bit isn’t designed for touch. iPad OS has only been out for 10 years vs 38 years for the Mac operating system, so I am hopeful that it will get better. Competition is good. 😊
iPad was running on iOS until iPadOS was introduced some 3 to 4yrs ago
@@MoZiyad correct - a better description is a mobile OS.
different topic. Bestbuy has $400 off a M1pro Macbook Pro 14" . Makes it almost the same cost as an M2 Air. Is it worth buy?
when he went from the webcam on the surface to ipad and the volume got lower, i almost cried😭😂
I recently got the Surface Pro 9 i7 16gb and I have to admit, I love it. IT's not doing what its doing for you. I can zoom in pretty quick and without any delays. I am using it for video editing and its doing its job well using Davinci Resolve. I have Ipad 12'9 M1 and its limited to the software I need to use for my jo and you cant use windows 11 so... idk. it depends what you need the devise for.
The apps being used are likely not ARM native and are running under emulation. I think the Intel model would have been a more interesting comparison.
@@Teknofide most likely. I know mine is running smooth.
@@Teknofide i agree in regards to which model he should have used for comparison.
The ipad pro would be perfect if it had mac os
Then it want be a I pad, just buy a MacBook
We know th hey won’t go that way cus then there laptop sales will suffer
@@mosijahi3096 Mac's don't have touch screen.....
@@riceflakes498 then buy a Surface Pro then.
Is the iPad used for this comparison the 12.9" ?
Can you do a video comparing the Intel i7 surface pro 9 to the iPad or the SQ3 pro 9
That iPad as more power but basic apps just like on the iPhone 😔😔
There is so many pro apps for the iPad Pro. This argument is very outdated as a lot has changed. Definitely do your research on the many pro-apps that are available on iPadOS
Yeah, thanks I will
No one uses iPad Pro as a work laptop lol
U need to explain that the x86 processor line would preform totally different and i would assume the i7 would destroy the m2. Microsoft arm is still to new and trying to optimize x86 apps on arm is not going so well
As long as Microsoft keeps making gains on the arm side with windows. Hopefully they decide not to renew the exclusivity deal with Qualcomm for windows on arm.
Most + to me is Windows
I disagree that the windows hello login flow is better. Both have their disadvantages. I'd prefer to unlock the iPad and then check my notifications, which most message based notifications I have set to hidden until unlocked. Others may just want to hop in automatically though. This is a subjective decision rather than an objective one.
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The way Face ID works with the notifications automatically unlocking is where the "magic" is in that entire feature for me. A lot of people seem to miss the fact it works that way but I totally get what you're saying. Face ID for me gives the perfect balance between privacy/security and convenience. I wouldn't really compare it to Windows Hello as there aren't really notifications to check on the Windows lock screen, but I hate that on my Android devices I can't actually read notifications on the lock screen as I'm not happy to have them shown to the world, but fingerprint reads on Android tend to fully unlock the device immediately, taking you away from the lock screen
Please don't keep taping and moving the product. Try to take stable shots (ocd)
Those speakers on the iPad are insane!
I would have liked to see the Intel version of the Surface Pro compared to the iPad Pro.
I just replaced my iPad Pro 12.9 M1 with a Surface Pro 9 (Intel i7) and I am very happy. As much as I enjoyed the iPad, the weakness was iPadOS.
Why did you choose to go Intel instead of ARM? I’m in the market myself since Apple missed the mark with the latest updates. Expected more.
@@DereckBreuning The Intel version is more performant and compatible with software I use. I don't need the 5G connectivity. I can use the mobile hotspot of my phone (which is 5G).
@@DereckBreuning The vast majority of Windows applications are x86/64 only, and so would be running under emulation. Microsoft’s Intel emulation isn’t as performant as Apple’s Rosetta yet. So everything generally will run more smoothly on the Intel one.
@@ecollazo67 thanks for answering!
@@Teknofide thanks for the insight!
Microsoft really need Qualcomm to make good on their promise after acquiring Nuvia to make Windows on ARM competitive to iPadOS.
Alternatively Intel could develop an efficient x86-64 architecture that can compete with Apple Silicon.
I’d like to see a comparison between Surface Pro (Intel) vs the M2 iPad Pro.
The Qualcomm chips are so much faster than the chip here. The Snap Dragon Gen 1 Plus would do far better here in both CPU and GPU tests. I agree with your comparison though
@@crestofhonor2349 The new Snapdragon 8CX Gen3 is comparable to the 11th Gen Intel i5 which is a good improvement over the previous performance. There is still a need to run Windows 11 emulation for x86-64 apps so more performance is need. To get the attention of developers of pro apps they will need something more powerful.
@@crestofhonor2349 The 8+gen1 would as a matter of fact not perform as good.
@@dinervc9582 As good as what? The 8+ gen 1 is quite a bit ahead of the chip showcased here in GPU and CPU performance. Windows on ARM might not present much of a difference though as it still isn't great. Plus tons of apps and especially games lack support for ARM and thus need translation
Meteor lake is supposed to focus on mobile platform, so low power Intel chips will be here. Using amd might be better for Microsoft.
The thunderbolt ports can charge the surface, albeit slowly. I lost my original cord and was able to get buy for weeks using 30w usb c charger.
Most people won't notice significant differences for the web use, video consumption, and even office type work they do. Video content creators, artists, researchers, and programmers will see a difference. Traveling salespeople will benefit from the Surface vs the other 2, for example
One huge advantage of the Surface Pro is that it runs Windows, which allows you to perform PC exclusive tasks.
for this version it's windows arm, very limited as well
@@29kalel Trust me, it really is.
Trust me, despite running on windows, surface pro sleekness and form factor limit the OS potential to just word processing and media consumption, i've tried to do some coding on android studio and video editing on premiere pro on the surface pro and its too slow, the only thing that sleeks and have plenty of horsepower to do some professional work is the macbook pro/air. being a windows fanboys for sometime, i've given chance to surface pro and dell xps, coz i want sleek and thin form factor but both fail to miserably.
@@yupickmyusername You're spreading nonsense.
@@yupickmyusername U r right fanboys can't see that apple iPad is the best
I always love iPad as a tablet (Personally, I own an iPad and surface too) but recently I must accept that "Surface with Windows 11" comes better and better than its predecessor. I mean not in the hardware quality, I means in the software and OS. Microsoft makes their Windows 11 more better on tablet experience, also with ARM architecture too. ... Nevertheless OK, it (Surface) not better than iPad as a tablet right now, but not in a very soon. I think , Microsoft will do a better experience for user as close to iPad very soon. 👍
Microsoft nailed the mic audio....almost like the one you're using for your video
What about comparison with intel based surface 9? We know that is a higher performance SoC.