New Madone is world-class aero AND crazy light. The catch? Trek leans on bottles for aero savings
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2024
- If you could have any type of super bike, would you want the absolute lightest, or the absolutely fastest aerodynamically? Well, since we’re talking wishes… you’d want both, right? That’s what Trek has hoped to accomplish with the new Madone, which merges their Emonda climbing bike with the Madone aero bike.
Normally, aero shapes are bigger and thus heavier than ultralight shapes, whether on bike tubes or wheels. Here, a surprisingly piece of the puzzle for making a relatively slim-tubed bike fast is the new aero bottle/cage design - which Trek says is as important as the aero wheels in the performance of the bike.
But like with all highly specialized designs, there is a price - well, two….
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0:00 intro
1:26 Emonda-Madone blend
3:02 aero chart
3:56 aero bottles/cages
5:25 frame changes
6:50 ride impressions
8:34 Perc perks!
10:15 things that bug me
12:26 conclusions - กีฬา
I completely understand the concept of why they replaced the Enonda, and agree with it. However I have to say that reducing available sizes on a top end bike seems like a much larger compromise that simply hurts riders experience with the brand. In entry level models, okay, I get it, the tooling expense has to be covered somehow and buyers at that level are probably less likely to think about fit. However when you mention a 25k P1 build, that’s a lot of money for a bike available only in 6 sizes when Pinarello has like 11, and every handlebar and stem length/width under the sun.
Big bike is losing money. Have to cut costs.
@@bengt_axle I understand that, and I understand the reduction of SKU’s and the massive price of the Project One bikes. What I don’t understand is how they think this offering will compete well against other alternatives that are lighter, more aero, less expensive, and available in a greater range of sizes. I suppose the market is small, and “Trek People” aren’t going to be looking around at options when it’s time for a new bike.
@RyonBeachner all slr level bike are automatically P1 so you can pick from 5 paint schemes, any bar stem (even extremes like 130mm 35cm), and othe things like crank length. All at no extra cost. The super high price your quoting is top spec an custome paint which adds thousands to the price for expensive chrome colour's. Not trying to say it's cheap but to basically pick everything you want on the bike it's not insane.
How about wind tunnel testing the "old" series 7 madone with aero bottles. Would that be even faster than this bike?
Probably. Their genius marketing department hasn't caught on yet. In an alternate reality, this is the bike that would have been released in 2015
Can't wait to see how it performs at your next gravel race.
Thank you for the honest review.
I have the current Madone. Great bike. This bottle thing is so goofy. Imagine trying to wrestle them in and out in a crit. They should have just said "it's a little slower, but overall is a better package." Specialized did that with the SL7 and it didn't hurt them at all.
They're goofy, yes. But this is exactly how this new Madone works with a round bottle, no?
@@dasf89 I don't recall anything about bottles helping on the Gen7 bike. But even if there is they're just regular bottles that don't snap in and out.
Sorry, bad phrasing, I meant to say: with the bottles, it's almost identical to the old Madone. With regular round bottles, it's a bit slower - similar to the SL7, which is not the most aero, but a good allrounder.
It’s hard enough get a normal bottle in and out while doing a crit. This system is a gimmick.
Me too, got my Gen 7 about 6 weeks ago. Was gutted to see this being released so soon, but quickly realised I have nothing to worry about. At my spec, the Gen 8 has 120g on my bike. In regards to the bottles, they are purely there to be able to say "its as fast as the Gen 7"
Well dayum as I’ve owned the previous gen for less then a year.
Just buy the new water bottles and you've got the new model bike.
Amazing video as always, i love the clips of the fide in between with some nice music
I have never gotten aesthetically comfortable with that seat post tube / top tube junction.
You mean the Butthole.
When filling the bottle with powder stand the aero bottle in a mug. Saves powder mess & holds it straight… Simples 😂
I honestly don't understand why people make such a big deal of the bottle+bike package. We're talking 3.7 W here. The people that need to care about those savings have soigneurs in charge of it. The rest uses standard round bottles and will not notice the slightest difference, happy days.
A lot of regular people care about 3.7w than some legit pros do. It's not about noticing, it's about getting that benefit in either saving energy or going faster.
Any thing for point of difference. Its a tough market....we all know at the days end, its the rider not the bike that makes it go fassssst!
I will be honest, I'd use round bottles on this bike in the first week I owned it. However, props to Trek for releasing the aero tech 🤘
Simply because of the price attached to it. Trek is making the claims that the frame is "just as aero as the old madone" but only with the bottles, so effectively its less aero. But they're still charging more.
@galenkehler cost doesn't only come from aerodynamics. It's significantly lighter than the last Madone. And I'm guessing a lot of time and money went into making sure that weird seatpost/tube would give compliance without worrying about it failing.
*As someone that's done lots of fits in the wind tunnel with customers testing gear, there's still likely be a decent minority of riders that'll test faster on this bike with normal bottles. That said, on an average person, it may be 2w slower if you put normal bottles on both bikes. But that 2w may be well worth the loss with losing so much weight and gaining even half of the claimed 80% compliance improvement
Another awesome video!
As a heavy Clydesdale rider I'd never trust that seat post so I'll just stick with my Émonda Slr 👍
As a fellow Clyde (230) I have the Gen 7 Madone, and zero issues with the seat mast
@@kevinfarmer8385 yet😆
@@Dustydayzz 🤣🤣🤣
Top notch review thanks.
Why the hell is it so expensive. In Ireland one with sram red is 14k euro. 10k for ultegra. Shocking
Ive never seen that Zip bar thats cool.
Heads up. The first batches of bikes had too much thread locker on the water bottle bolts. Check those bolts before purchasing your bike! The heads may strip causing a huge headache.
I have never seen any brand use thread locker on water bottle bolts. Have been in the industry 35 years.
@@kevindolan2194well ALL my Specialized bikes from 2015 use blue thread retainer on the bottle cage bolts so 🤷♂️
@@kevindolan219428 years for me and I’ve assembled 8 of these new bikes this week. Mistake at the factory for sure. Expect a technical service bulletin.
@@zeuszuki6698 I have worked with Trek, Cannonade, Scott, Giant and Willier, Cervelo, Felt and Kona, I haven't sold Specialized since the late 1990's.
I like those bottles. I want those bottles. I think it's cheap for Trek to claim them in power saving along with the frame (unless they include like 10 bottles with every frame)
Edit to add: OMG I looked up the prices and they are CRAZY. Will cost you $200 for two cages and two bottles. $25 each for every additional bottle.
"Trek says that this was not part of their SKU-reduction effort"
Sure sure suuuurrreee. Do they also have a bridge in Brooklyn I could buy too?
The SKU reduction was mainly in clothes!
I know right, they openly admit it 'was' the new Emonda in the launch video.... You don't generally cancel/end a product line less than 2 years in.
@@davidg2731 and...? They're a bicycle company and they cut a lot of bike SKUs with this move too. They went from 2 bike lines each with 8 sizes down to 1 line with 6 sizes. So right there they reduced the number of frame variations for their race bike line by over 60%
It will be interesting to see what they axe from their mountain bike line.
Love Trek madone history, had two. Can't believe a new Madone already! In 3 years time we'll be on Gen 10! Bottle thing would have gone by then. Will be a bit like specialised tarmac from sl6 to sl8, this version will need time to settle in. But in the meantime alot of people will be spending a shedload of money!
I like the concept and the looks. The 105 model seems reasonably priced to me. My back won’t let me ride a proper race bike anymore, so I’ll have to stick to my Domane
Gotta love the honest, down to earth, no BS review 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
He might to get his scales recalibrated though...
Heading to the shop today to check out New vs Old, think I'm still leaning towards old... Especially at the SL6 price point, old package seems better, deeper wheels, aero vs round bar, no fuss with funky/EXPENSIVE bottles.
So those RSL Cages with a bottle are $99 a piece if you buy them aftermarket, and the SL Madone does not include them with a new bike purchase. I think I could be at peace with it a little more if they at least made a more affordable plastic version. If you're gonna be gimmicky with the bottle, don't also gouge the price on them.
Just put these bottles on the old Madone and it will be even faster. This frame is a bodge
Excellent review Ben, I really appreciate your honest open minded perspectives and your constructive critique. Comparisons in ride and handling with other new 2024 road race bikes, as well as ealier models would make your reviews even stronger, as would a comparison between the various models in the line up, particularly low to mid priced models that most of us actually buy. These are the big gaps in the youtube bike review world.
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.
I’ve seen videos where some complained the bb was too flexy compared to an sl7, sl8, and the cervelo s5. Do you find the bb to be stiffer on this gen 8 than the gen 7 you reviewed? It was a while ago so you may not remember
How was the new tyres feel like?
I get toe overlap on my 58 emonda. Makes my white shoes look bad but ive had the problem for 10 years now and thought everyone did.
Im a bit disappointed honestly… The Madone SL 7 gen 8 with ultegra di2 and carbon wheels is $6500 and weighs 17.38lbs. That doesn’t seem very light to me. The Canyon ultimate SLX 8 is $5800-$6200 (depending on sale) with same groupo , deeper carbon wheels PLUS a power meter and only weighs 16lbs. 😮
You bought the SL not the SLR that's why. Mine is 16.5 lbs with a SRAM force 1x.
The bottle situation feels wrong tbh. The paint on this one is very nice. Wish it had a font size selector with more than 55pt and 60pt as options. Kidding on the last part.
Love the bike, what they have done... this and giant propel.... prices are outrageous however.... 50% discount and I would even start considering
Glad I got a Gen 7 Madone. This new one looks goofy with the smaller tube profiles
with the current pricing of the Emonda what will I loose getting a superseded model if I'm not after straight-line speed?
The seat tube angle on this new geometry is steeper. Did that have any effect on your “normal” setup?
Does a bar-stem 1-piece feel too stiff or weird some other way?
Giant Propel ultegra di2 version is lighter than the equivalent from Trek Madone.
Trek needs to provide an integrated Bottle Stand for off bike use! (A small folding bipod would work)
😂
I would expect some 3d printed solutions to show up on Ebay.
Along with a custom drink mix dispenser....
I think they could have accomplished near the same aero benefit with “wider” with more plastic cages that would fit a round bottle inside. Rather than have had the bottle complete the aero panel shape, just have done it with the cages only
Scale with pedals and 2 cages! Or weigh just the frame.
1500 dollar uplift on the frame price. No thanks.
Will those bottles fit of the Gen 7 Madone?
Trek shareholders are showing the bike industry how to cut costs, just remove the seat tube folks….🤭
Take it on a long climb and let us know how it feels. Please
Didn't know you live in Boulder!!! How was it on Flagstaff??? Did you ride Super Flag???
Colnago v4rs is still the king❤
Someone needs to 3d print a stand for filling those 3d bottles.
Bottle kickstand 🦿
Note to self: don't ride behind someone on this bike when they go to take a drink.
Or to the left, right or in front of..... Probably more risk than a TT bike in the group ride now :)
looks more like a refined Emonda than a Madone
It's cool. If I get one the bottles will be event day or strava kom use only.
It's a big miss for me. Should have kept an aero bike and a dedicated climbing bike. There's no way this bike is faster in a wind tunnel over the gen 7 Madone.
aero gains are the bottle setup. true aero bikes are faster, proven countless times in independent wind tunnel testing
What size cranks are on that Madone? They look pretty long. Perhaps moving to shorter cranks would reduce toe overlap?
the cranks are actually spec'd shorter. 172.5 all the way up to what would be a 58.
Trek race bikes have pretty short wheel bases which is the issue. You get used to it pretty quick, (just becomes a muscle memory thing) they handle amazing.
@@cmarnold78 I hear ya. I don't mind an occasional overlap but I recently sold a good steel bike (ritchey road logic) because it was too much of a thing. Had thought about sizing down on cranks but opted to sell and get a different bike. Incidentally, just compared the geo of the ritchey to the new madone. Very similar geo numbers including identical wheelbase length & nearly identical tire-to-spindle.
Never liked that frame with the hole in it, no matter what they do...
Nice color but STILL heavier and slower than my 2005 Madone I got for 350USD off the OG owner who hardly rode it. IYKYK.
6:11 Someone just went over the Three Sisters that I spy with my little eye.
Aero bottles = fairings = UCI noncompliant
Should stick with two bikes. Some like the look of the aero madone over the skinny emonda.
Proprietary water bottles...what will they think of next.
11:00 that shifter/bar transition is best dealt with by padding/wrapping. You can pack a little peice of bar tape in there, and tape it up to form whatever shape you want and then wrap the tape over it. I've even shimmed it with a little peice of plastic before, whatever makes it just right.
Can I not use my own bottle cage?
Squarish low slung bottle cages. Hmmm, put a flat piece of sheeting connecting and covering and walah, just as or more aero with any bottle you choose 😊
So, this or the sl8?
pretty clear isn't it?? I see zero reason to choose the Trek.
I think i need flat bottomed bottles.
i think trek forgot about the light part on a bike that is being marketed as such. the weight is not all that special.
We are going full circle lol. Soon we will be back to round tubes and then back ti aero.
Maybe you just have giant feet? But SRSLY what crank length is causing the overlap?
172.5 is spec'd on the bike up to L or 58.
Nothing to do with crank length or cleat position. Trek race bikes just have shorter wheel bases. I get overlap running 170mm Its only an issue when you start from a stop and you turn the bars too much. You get used to it pretty quick. They handle amazing.
I have toe overlap on my gen 6 Madone with 170mm cranks and size 43 shoes. It’s just a Trek thing.
So why can't they add those bottles to the old madone aero frame which wasn't that bad weight and get that even faster 🤷♂️
You can buy the bottles and cages then add them to your Gen.7 Madone
The opening is not small for putting in mix. If you cant get mix in an opening that big, then you probably lack the coordination to ride a bike.
😂
1. bottles... yes! different not for every one... we will see how the 'market' reacts... by look they seem aero ergo comically correct.
2. Trek seems to make every time the same bike but nope. and I trust ben words!
If one of the biggest bike companies in the world develops a flagship bike and says the water bottles it developed for that bike are a main contributor to aerodynamic gains, what is really the point of the new bike. Just make the new bottles. Those lower dev costs could trickle to the consumer. A similar notion came from the SL8 debut. It was the handlbar, not the headtube, even though we still have to have the headtube, which many tarmac fans are certain is less attractive than the SL7’s, and aesthetics are important to cyclists.
I have an old 90's Kestrel 200sci that came with an aero bottle setup. Was never a fan of that bottle and wouldn't use these.
Almost 40 years ago Campagnolo introduced bottles like these. Kind of silly then, kind of silly now. Does the Big-T offer (at extra cost of course) a special cage to hold 'em upright on your kitchen counter so you can fill them? Quick, fire-up that 3D printer! I'll give it one thing - it's FUGLY! And fewer sizes - great for the Big-T's bottom line, but not so good when it comes to fit for the schlub's handing over the insane MSRP.
I would love to see Lidl-Trek popping on a couple of flat, triangular 5 gallon water bottles (tanks?), totally filling up that space and gaining 300W at 180kph. Science!
David Arthur weighed it at 7.8kg without pedals.
He measured with pedals, but without bottles and it was 7.3kgs.
@Onigure 7.3kg is still too heavy vs competitors
You need to rewatch the David Arthur video.
@@Onigure the 7.3kg was WITHOUT pedals, without bottles, without computer mount. Shocking!
It should weigh 6.8 with pedals. It’s a complete disgrace. 7.4 for a 14k bike is a joke. The handlebars look shocking as well. You could buy a canyon aeroad and an ultimate for the price of this bike.
It doesnt look like this frame kan hold a dropper post.
As a capitalist, the table top aero water bottle holders will be available soon. LOL
4:30 great! We now have a new problem where we can’t fill bottles without holding that aero bottle 😅
They should at least sell a bottle stand. One that’s designed to hod the bottle upright and perhaps a funnel too for us to throw in our drink mixes
Not even 7kg try 7.4😉
Why dont you weigh it?
Those small bottles also mean you finish rides faster😂
Company losses, cost cutting measures by reducing manufacturing lines. All the rest is marketing. Worse than Emonda in the mountains, worse than Madone Gen7 in the flat
Good honest review, tbh i felt at times you were struggling to come up with something to excite the audience 🙂
I want silca to come out with a round bottle that has dots around it like aero socks
Maybe a bottle you can wax too...
Fouriers, a Chinese company, came out with those a few years ago. Fouriers WBC-BE004. 👍
@@dhfox322 Josh from Silca knows how to talk it down to each dimple why it's placed where...
Great job of telling us this bike is a BS without saying that.
As soon as Trek issues an official apology to Lemond, I'll consider one of their bikes. Until then, never.
BTW, I have a 1985 Trek 2000 hanging in my garage. I used to like this company.
AERO BOTTLES on a road bike?? You nailed my first WTF looking at that bike. Did you run the bike with standard bottles and did they get ejected? I'd guess that bottle setup is not UCI legal and also that regular and especially oversize bottles would get ejected at the first bump in the road.
I used it almost entirely with normal bottles, and they held snugly. Trek made the bottles for its WorldTour teams, so I'm sure they got them cleared.
The new Project One Builder is ridiculus.There is missing so much customisation... boring! Nice to have Pinarellos MyWay.This year i opt for the new dogma again but i will keep my SLR Madone Gen7. If i buy the new bottles i will be faster than the GEN 8 ... so silly!
I want so bad :p
This statement „Can I feel 3.7W? No , Can I be annoyed by the bottle? Yes” every one will be annoyed, no matter speed and training they have.
I think it’s disingenuous to call the bike “crazy light” when the top end model is about 7.3kg with pedals or “world class aero” when it’s slower than the previous gen madone with the same bottles and at high yaw
Hell nah man those bottles are fugly and having to replace them ugly things...no thank you. Bike is fine though. Looks nice!
I really don’t like proprietary tech! I guess that would include water bottles. Trying to stand the water bottle up on your table lost me. At least the cages accommodate regular bottles. Aero water bottles have been tried before and didn’t catch on. I think these will meet the same fate. It’s a nice looking bike. Does Trek still use press fit bottom brackets? That’s an automatic deal killer for me!
T47 BB
That seat mast is gonna break eventually. More gimmicks from Trek. No thanks.
It’s not crazy light my 10 year old TCR with no special parts is a pound lighter and as for aero which I think is a joke unless you can go at 30 MPH all the time what’s the point 🤣🤣 it’s all just gimmicks these days with stupid prices. Another one for the all the gear no idea mob
‘All’ would include a reasonable price. Sorry dude.
Don't like the bottles at all. You couldn't put gravel king 32s on here and take it on gravel. It would be a jarring experience.
This is a PURE roads only bike
Beware Treks dodgy weight claims. I had a Madone SLR 7 gen 7 which is still claimed their website to be 7.48kg with the heavier Pro wheels for a size 56. I had the smaller size 52 with the lighter RSL 51 wheels which should have come in less than 7.48kg but was actually 7.65kg. There should be some consumer protection about manufacturers lying about weight. Okay it's only a few grams but it's still false marketing, Ben get your scales out before shouting 'crazy light'
The frames are plastic and carbon. It would be nearly impossible to make them that consistent.
Only a handful of grams less than the old Madone?? Pass. Only significant change? Weird new proprietary bottled...........pass again.
It's hardly crazy light! weighs the same as the last one
first
Too weird