At this point, Superman has become a joke character of his own company (DC). I get turning a superhero evil one time for shock purposes, but DC has gone to that well way too many times. This makes Superman untrustworthy as we would have to determine which Superman will show up.
@@theedspage Agreed and this disrespects everything Jerry siegel and Joe schuster created Superman to be. Back during the great depression when the rich were getting richer and the poor were getting poorer and constantly being preyed on by those in power, they created superman to being light to a dark world, inspiration and escapism. He was created to be the absolute antithesis to the ideology that power corrupts and to stand as the literal champion of the common man. Then you get idiots shallow minded mentalities that say superman would be better off as a villian simply because he is do powerful.Yet there are dozens of characters in the dc franchise either equally or more powerful than him. And the means by which they turn superman evil are pretty cheap and have been explored in stories that were created to test superman's morals and his character and he still remained true to who he was. Kill lois lane, read ending battle and emporer joker to see a realistic portrayal of how that turns out.
I loved seeing the Superman cameo in Shazam. To me, that's Superman. Taking time to help a disabled kid from bullies. That's Clark. So tired of evil Superman.
I agree, plus I would also say that evil Superman has become so common that it's actually cliche. All they need to do to keep him current is to make him care about the subjects that people care about nowadays. They don't need to make him edgy, they don't need to make him cool, all they really need to do is have him care about today's issues, and people find him relatable.
I'm reminded of the moment in superman returns where he loses his powers and is beaten to near death by luthors goons. He kept saying "I'm still Superman!" I understood then and there that his actions and his morality are what make him super not his powers. If you turn him into the bad guy it ceases to be superman he becomes Zod.
I love how as of lately people are talking about how evil Superman shouldn't be done, it goes to show he's loved by people despite what many people say nowadays.
I noticed that trend too. I dont know exactly why that's happening, but it's nice to know the conversation is happening. Hopefully it will lead to good things!
@@ComicCrash It is happening because Evil superman is a plot gimmick. It is like the "baby" gimmick of the 80s for cartoon characters where after the 5th show that took iconic characters and made them babies it got old fast. Early on when "Evil Superman" was a rare treat it was something interesting, but they have done so many variants on that idea that people just want the normal character already.
I don't mind evil superman as a concept but we've seen evil superman or evil superman like villains in alot of media it's getting cliche. The boys and now invincible are doing it too as well as DC themselves. The good pure hearted superman is far more interesting to me anyway.
it goes to show that injustice,the boys,Invincible etc don't understand superman and are parodying only the surface level face of supermanm(the fact that Omni-man resembles Goku more Clark does speaks volumes in of itself.). Clark's constant battle with the need to do right or wrong is what makes him so compelling. Clark is a character that is constantly facing his demons. that's one of the many reasons why Batman and Superman are the ying and yand of DC comics and why the two of them get along the most out of the justice league because they're personal journeys are effectively the exact same. While Batman is only human he much like Superman has the ability to end all of his villains and crush any opponent with ease if they just gave into that darker desire but they don't and that is what makes them so compelling. once superman or batman looses that Character angle they become boring and predictable. hence why DCEU batman sucked and why every evil version of superman sucks.
@@michaelkean5969 The boys creator claims his comic is a deconstructionist story about superheroes in general, but all it really is, is him just making his heroes terrible people and nothing to actually say about superheroes. He could have done something great, like actually critique supermans naive simplistic views and how his overly idealistic ways don't work in the real world Showed his homelander as being able to hear everything, yet chosing to only save some people. That could have been used to show that superman does infact choose who and who not to save no matter how much he says he doesn't It could have shown things like having to choose between letting his lover and his family die to save innocents and actually dealing with it or him being face with having to choose between a school full of children and staff and thousands of people in a burning building somewhere else or something like that, instead of being written as a someone who can "always find a way!" It could have showed a less shallow and more realistic take on depression and suicide with him trying to truly help a teen with a sh*t life who's given up on everything instead of just giving her platitudes like "you are stronger than you think" like Superman does But no, he just wanted to create a story that has nothing intelligent to actually say about superheroes Omni-Man is not even meant to be a critique of superman, just a different character with a similar alien history.
the best version of Superman is the one that shares similar quality's to say Optimus prime from transformers the hero that is heroic and goodhearted to a fault but his journey isn't about beating the bad guy and saving that day but saving the day by not becoming the bad guy.
I'm also tired of Evil Superman. Superman is my favorite comic book character of all-time and people need to understand that the world needs a Superman especially in this day of age.
@Comic Crash that's true, I fully love him and I don't want him to change. The people that complain about him are the same people that think that Harley Quinn is a "great superhero" yet she is a mass murderer and also think that Deadpool is "awesome" when in reality, he gets boring with his jokes, fourth wall breaking, food obsession, and simp antics yet there are some good Deadpool stories like The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly but still, he is no hero that encourages me to do the right thing. Superman will forever be one my role models and my favorite comic character.
I am sick and tired of Superman being portrayed as evil. It's like people want Superman to be what he isn't, and don't appreciate Superman for who he is and the good he represents. The world needs Superman as a force of good, not a force of evil.
@@StareachValcin Or mabey the world has moved on the simplistic 50s and realized that the world is a more complex place and that superman is too simplistic
@@friedfrog5447 Superman isn't simplistic and the ideals he stands for are needed now more than ever. Moving on from that is just a sign of cynicism, which doesn't make the world better nor is it what the world needs.
@@StareachValcin Superman is absolutely simplistic and his ideal are only good for his fictional world that isn't realistic at all. Explain is complex about his ideals? Moving on from him is a sign that people are no longer naive and understand that the real world is a more complex place than what supermans simple-minded ideals make it out to be.
That's what's frustrating- I think they can. The comics currently are stellar! And "Superman and Lois" is really good too (though as if today they are starting an "evil moment" but the rest has been good) so they CAN make good Superman, they just dont!
I agree, I hate Evil versions of Superman. I don't mind a what if scenario but to constantly have stories of mind control or losing control due to the loss of Louis is annoying at this point. Supermans power is in his values and moral compass and not physical abilities. This has been lost and Superman is an ideal of hope despite what challenges he is confronted with.
Exactly! It pushes the stereotype that Superman is the dumb muscle. You have to have a strong intelligence modifier if you're going to be an investigative journalist, superpowers or not.
What in my opinion makes the whole he lost lois so now he's evil scenario suck is Kingdom Come did the same scenario and Superman still stuck by his morals , hell when he does snap in that story its done as the overwhelming pain of every bad thing that has happened to him crashed all at once and he couldn't truly process it
@@danielasarmiento3101 exactly! It was the prime example of how Supermans values were considered outdated yet as important as ever. This perfectly summarised why Superman is the beacon of hope despite the change in society.
@@hardcorecasual6608 what some people forget is red kryptonite can make superman bad too personally I prefer good superman more. The problem is see with evil superman stories is its The writing alot of time which is bad for example smallville and other comics.
Same here, injustice is the culprit imo, thats what got this evil superman thing rolling and gave people the perception that that is how the character is. So annoying listening normies who dont know the character speak like they know .
Spicy take: The best "evil" versions of Superman is Soviet dictator Superman, Nazi Superman, and Superman pretending to be evil at the end of Superman vs The Elite. Seriously, I despise Injustice "Superman" because he is such a cartoonish villain to the point of parody. Injustice Gods Among Us is truly garbage when the versions of Superman who was raised by both the Nazis or Stalin grow up to become the Superman we all know and love rather than the Injustice one raised by the fucking KENTS!
I would argue the best evil Superman is Ultraman. That’s mostly because the logic of the universe Ultraman comes from basically favors villainy over justice, and the character was intended to be an opposite to Superman (more so then Bizarro). Also Superdickery Superman. Cause at least the narrative there didn’t take itself seriously
Injustice Gods Among Us: Joker tricks "Superman" into murdering his wife and unborn child which triggers a nuclear bomb blowing up Metropolis killing over 11 million people. This "Superman" then immediately flies and punches his chest through Joker's chest instantly killing him. Then this "Superman" or really Homelander with an S on his chest becomes Stalin and builds gulags and armies of stormtroopers to rule the planet with an iron fist. This "Superman" engages in a 5 year civil war against Batman killing many of his own friends that he's know for years. God this story is garbage! Emperor Joker: Joker tricks Mxyzptlk into give him all of his Godlike powers to control and manipulate all of reality which he uses to kill Batman over and over again and twist existence into his own image. Joker snaps his fingers killing everyone Superman has ever known and love including Lois, Jimmy, his parents, the Justice League, and Batman again trying to break Superman's will and mind to force him to kill. Superman never gives in and never gives up and never compromises his morals or kills the Joker in order to save all of existence even though Batman himself was broken and wanted Joker to die. Joker with just a snap of his fingers unleashed everything that could possible break the Man of Steel only to strengthen Superman's resolve which inspires all of his friends. This story by the way is canon and shows why Superman is still the greatest superhero of all time. Superman defeated the Joker with Godlike powers to control existence itself and despite losing Lois, his parents, and all of his friends, Superman never gave up or lost hope and continued to resist Emperor Joker. Superman is the ultimate symbol of Hope and all that is good. Throughout this story Joker's is continuously humiliated by Superman who refuses to accept the reality Joker created and his defiance is a rallying cry for the other heroes to rediscover their hopes. Batman is killed and resurrected over and over again having to live with the memories of torment and pain after being killed and resurrected so many times by Emperor Joker. Batman is literally Joker's chew toy throughout this entire story and the rest of the Justice League are transformed into hilarious caricatures of themselves like Wonder Woman being a housewife, Aquaman being a literal fish, Martian Manhunter becoming shorter resembling Marvin the Martian from Looney Tunes, and the Flash being fat and obsessed with junk food. There was a point near the end where Joker gave Superman a chance to truly kill him ending his rule over existence which Superman outright refused because it's what Joker would want and this was after Joker killed Lois and the entire Justice League. This pissed off Joker who decided to straight up kill Superman but cannot because he's losing his grip on his powers. Joker decides to destroy the entire universe so Superman on his own needs to discover the rules that Joker plays by in order for him to lose Mxyzptlk's powers before it's too late. Superman being the greatest hero of all time beats Godlike Joker at his own game using his wits and exploiting Joker's obsession and insecurities with the Batman causing Joker to doubt his own ability. Joker can't get rid of Batman no matter how many times he kills him or wills him out of existence because Joker's life and existence is meaningless without Batman which causes the Joker to lose his powers which return to Mxyzptlk and he, Superman, and Spectre repair and fix the entire Universe back to what it was before this whole horrifying event. Batman however had to live with all the trauma of being killed in so many gruesome and painful ways and is literally a broken shell of a man. Superman being the true hero and friend that he is has the Spectre take all of that traumatizing PTSD out of Batman and implant them into Joker who is drooling on the floor at Arkham Asylum. And Batman fanboys still think Batman is better than Superman LOL. Batman not only lost to the Joker but lost his morals and became insane wanting Superman to kill Joker to end it all. This story proves Superman is truly incorruptible and this story came out in the year 2000! And there are people who still think Injustice is a good portrayal of Superman and the Justice League? LOL It's a horribly written story that perverts and bastardized the characters that everyone knows and loves for the sake of being dark and edgy.
When I was but a wee little lad I thought I was Superman I even walked around in a Superman cape until the age of like 3 or 4 and I would watch the Christopher Reeve Superman 1 and Superman the animated series and the Max Fleischer Superman even though my dumb little kid brain didn’t understand a thing that was going on I loved it but I did and still do see a lot of myself in Clark Kent and that’s why it’s so disheartening to see Superman be evil or dark and edgy all the time because the people working on them don’t know how to handle him like Henry Cavil has so much potential and probably knows more about Superman than Zack Synder and he’s just wasted and I think the reason why so many people dislike Superman is A how he’s portrayed in the movies and games Synder verse, injustice, ext or B they’ve become Lex Luther like every time I hear a comic book fan say they don’t like Superman they sound like Lex Luther and that just makes me sad because like they say that the “build a better tomorrow thing” makes them sick and they laugh at Superman’s optimism and that’s why I love moments when it feels like Superman is directly responding to these people specifically the moment he is told “you’re living in a dream world” and hearing how Superman responds always puts a smile on my face “good dreams save us dreams lift us up and transform us into something better and on my soul I swear that until my dream of a world where dignity honor and justice are a reality we all share I will never stop fighting ever” I think if we could all be a little more like Superman just maybe the world would be a better place
Spectracle Creep, I see that a lot in DBZ lately, especially in DBZ Super. Like at first, Goku had to fight some members of his race, then a genocidal alien who blows up entire worlds and who sent the said members of his race after Goku and his friends. Then a bunch of androids and a mutant bug man who had samples of all the heroes's DNA. Then a pink monster who was awakened by a crazed alien wizard and could wipe out mankind just like that. But then we have DBZ Super, where now the threat is a literal pissed off god, then multiple pissed off gods, whom they raise the stakes to obliterating entire universes because they need less to manage, or stuff like a guy wishing to become a literal universe himself, but yet at the detriment to all the other characters though. Just raise the stakes higher and higher but at the cost of the characters.
Spicy Take: The best "evil" versions of Superman are Soviet Dictator Superman, Nazi Superman, and when Superman pretends to be evil at the end of Superman vs The Elite. Injustice Superman is a fuckin cartoon villain. Hell, Soviet Communist Superman and even Nazi Superman have better moral compasses and humanity despite being raised by mass murderers and monsters rather than the Injustice one who was raised by the fuckin KENTS! Soviet Superman finds out about the gulags and purges then vaporizes Stalin with his heat vision. He then is horrified, guilt ridden, and starts crying because it was the first time he took a life. Soviet Superman then shuts down the gulags and becomes the next dictator of the Soviet Union. Nazi Superman after helping the Nazis and Fascists invade and conquer the United States comes back to Europe years later to discover the Nazis death camps which disgusts and horrifies him because he realized the role he played in all of this. Nazi Superman then tears down the Nazis concentration camps. Even versions of Superman that were raised by Stalin and the Nazis grew up to be closer to the Superman we all know and love rather than the Injustice one that murders his own friends just for arguing with him! Fuck the shitty Injustice games and comics!
Angry Joe also hated it. Eh... if ya think about it... every superhero has that duality. Every superhero has an evil version or an evil moment or an evil split personality. Cap was Hydra. Fans didn't like it, so it was written that he thought he was Hydra. Either way, we still lived to see Captain America say "hail Hydra" Hulk has his mindless mode and his professor mode. Wolverine has a heart of gold, but also has that savage mode and a blood soaked past. Wonder Woman killed children in the comics. Jean Grey has Dark Phoenix Professor X became Onslaught Spider-man has black suit Spider-man. Metal Gear Solid Rising Revengence, Raiden has "Jack the Ripper" Xena the Warrior Princess was a villain before she was good. Angel the Vampire has his soul and then has the version of himself as Angelous where he is a Vamp with no soul. Heck!! Even Dark Wing Duck has an alternate reality where Goslyn went missing and he became super strict and militant and more of an enforcer than a peacemaker. You make a great point and while Evil Superman is overused, I do not think Evil Superman should not be. Every major superhero has an evil version or an evil side or an evil past that haunts them. I think it serves as a reminder that it's a good thing they are on our side and that ANYBODY can lose their way. But not all who wander are lost.
Bruh the fact that you bring up Darkwing gives you mad respect. (Begins humming the theme song) I'd agree that an evil Superman can be used well (as of now the Superman and Lois show seems to be building that quite well), but generally he isn't and like I said, Superman is evil in pop media more than he's good and that's frustrating.
Or Tony Stark and his reflection of being the paragon CEO of the times which lend itself to Superior Iron Man or Civil War Iron Man " Shifting paradigms. Tony Stark's always been an attempt to marry capitalism and workplace drama to cape comics, for better or worse. So they rework his personality to reflect that. His earlier incarnations like in the 60s and 70s was impersonal and cold because he was supposed to reflect the rich "forward thinker" business tycoon that was well worn. Through the 80s and 90s, business ceos were getting the shit grilled out of them for focusing on lining their pockets more than doing anything about the state of the world, so Tony became a massive guilt-tripping fuckup. And by the 2000's, CEOs were promoting the image of "doing more" in contributing back to the world and being the front men of their company in terms of ethics. So Tony had to basically push himself as the front man to his own company, hence putting himself as the front man to Iron Man too. And now that the world is still buying into the hype of elon musk "activist" type of tycoons who publicize every act of charity and social responsibility performed for further clout, it's stuck to Tony Stark to never look back in terms of "doing more" with what he can do. Which in his case means staying prominently as Iron Man in the public eye. Robert Downey Jr. definitely helped in giving the character a far more interesting personality that reasonably would refuse to hide behind a secret identity due to hubris and attention seeking, but the shift towards a public Iron Man was kind of in the works already."
@@justinesun631 the dcau is very good overall. As far as movies are concerned, I believe the DC animated movies are the way to go over theatrical ones.
Sure. May I suggest that, perhaps, religion is something broader than attending a church system and is an accountability to something higher. What "something higher" is is less important than making sure it's defined. What are those standards to measure against and WHY should they be? I'm never a supporter of following a religion or belief system blindly. The most important question that everyone needs to ask about any belief system is "why is it like this" and relying on faith that answers will come shouldn't be a passive plan and should be acted on; ideally through direct conversation and careful (i.e. prayerful) consideration . But if an established system (i.e. a religious system or "church") does well for you and it encourages you to deepen your understanding both in and outside of that system, then that's a good place to be. Atleast for the time. But like I said, it's a topic that should be discussed somewhere other than a channel about comic books and stuff 😉.
@@ComicCrash appreciate the thoughtful response, I was having a drunken argument with a friend who knowingly goaded me by saying Superman is lame at the time, lol.
Dude! You couldn’t be any more right. It feels like everything coming out with Superman aside from the comics usually portrays Clark as a villain (other than Superman and Lois) which just makes me sad. Superman is tied with Batman for my favorite hero so it just hurts seeing how he’s fallen. I think to bring him back to his old status as top dog they need to reboot him for a movie just like they’re doing for Robert Pattinson’s Batman.
Maybe, but right now Superman and Lois is scratching that it has pretty good. I made this before the show was released but if I were to do it again, I'd comment that the show proves that good-guy Superman is still the preference of most audiences. ... Which was then followed by an Injustice movie. Blech!
@@ComicCrash Yeah, Superman and Lois is amazing of course, but there’s one problem with it. It’s a show. I can probably get my mom and dad to watch a 2 hour long movie in theaters but I’ll have a lot of trouble convincing them to watch a fifteen episode season of television. As great as the show is it can never do for Superman what a live-action film could do.
Honestly, what is so appealing about superman being evil and murdering thousands of innocent people including other hereos. My brother keeps telling me that injustice is the best story of all time, and keeps showing me high lander sadistically murdering people in cold blood which is not cool, and all of this because I made a hilarious parody version of superman called captain perfect on Instagram. But the problem I have is that I made captain perfect to be a likable jerk as a joke animated short.
I also hate the Superman is evil trope and it infuriates me when people use the argument that a real life Superman wouldn't be virtuous and would be an evil tyrant like Homelander instead. I do not agree with organized religion though. I do believe in values.
I meet a lot of people that say that if they had Superman powers that they would turn into tyrants. Buddy, you wouldn't turn into a tyrant. you'd just make your own life more convenient. very few people in existence, I think, have the emotional capabilities to become tyrannical.
I don’t like the idea of turning Superman evil. It feels like ever since Injustice, the world has this vision that Superman is a weak minded alien that will go crazy and turn evil if he loses a loved one. When in reality and how Superman was originally built was as a Symbol of Hope that although he’s an alien, he’s the most human and kind person on earth and is what everyone should strive to be. A kind, gentle, compassionate loving man who’s also the strongest being on the planet. He’s supposed to be the person who shows the most restrain because he has the powers of a god yet chooses to use his abilities for the benefit of everyone. He knows he can take whatever he wants but chose to become a public servant and hero because that’s what makes him happy and what his parents instilled in him. I see people say “that would be boring” but it wouldn’t, it’s just that it’s harder to make an interesting story for a non edgy hero but look at Spider-Man. He’s a lighthearted hero who shares a lot of values with Superman and he’s not only loved by fans but is also extremely commercially successful. Heck, Anime and Manga fans will know that the show My Hero Academia has the character of All Might. He’s universally loved and people say that he’s a great character and that he’s better than Superman when All Might is basically Japanese Superman or the original vision of Superman that has been loved and successful for almost over a century. In my opinion, Superman: The Animated Series and both Justice League Animated Series, handled his character in the best way and showed why he works as a character with his chill and self sacrificing nature. Also I feel it even hursts Batman because their friendship is interesting due to the duality of their characters. Batman is the mortal man that has reached such a level through hard work that he can stand together with the most powerful heroes but is haunted by his past and that makes him a Dark Symbol of Fear and Justice for criminals. Superman is the god that was given his powers through his heritage but chooses to stand among the civilians because he looks towards a bright future and that makes him a Symbol of Hope and Peace for the common people. This two people couldn’t be more different yet are are best friends and share a brotherhood because one completes the other and helps him stay grounded. Batman helps Clark see the cynical way of life and helps him not get discourage when his idealism fails. Superman helps Bruce see the optimistic way of life and helps him see that there’s a beautiful world beyond the crime infested streets of Gotham. Superman is not my favorite but I still really like him a lot and I’m tired of people and especially writers thinking they have to turn him into The Homelander to tell a compelling story.
@Villainy Outsider Most definately, and i have seen far better, what, you shocked some people actually can think of good stories for superman that doesn't involve weak shock value elements. heres a couple of stories written in comics way better than evil superman. 1. Ending Battle 2. Final Crisis 3. Doomsday clock 4. Our worlds at war 5. Day of Doom 6. Superman Doomsday hunter Prey 7. Superman where is thy sting 8. For all Seasons 9. Superman Unchained 10. Superman Exile
@Villainy Outsider Emperor Joker : Due to mxy meddling joker becomes a god like being that bends reality to his will, superman through sheer will power barely manges to see through Jokers mechanations and has to use wits for the majority of the story since Joker stripped of most of his powers and made him a criminal Kingdom Come : a story about him dealing with a world overrun murderous vigilantes who pose as heroes, takes place years after the death Lois lane
If they need a Kryptonian power villain why not just use Zod Ursa non heck you can even use Cyborg Superman or what was that last one The Eradicator. Heck why not use a Bizarro?
The eradicator and the cyborg would fit all these scenarios really well. One wants to rebuild the world to look like krypton, the other keeps working with powerful off-worlders to claim the earth. Destroy and rule. That covers all the bases.
@@ComicCrash the fact that both The Eradicator and Cyborg Superman are slightly weaker than the normal Superman Plus even if you outright trying to kill them they won't die they'll simply go into the waiting room to come back later. Cyborg Superman always puts himself back together I don't know how many times and The Eradicator it's always returned no matter how many times you scatter his energy
there is this multiverus game where the actually add it the real superman who actually the good guy and kinda glad that the devs of the game what superman is and he supposed to be
I was very pleased with that. I was ready to believe that the Canon of the game was that all of warner Brothers was getting together to fight Superman. I'm glad that's not the case.
This is why I always say the Marvel equivalent of Superman is the Hulk. Besides the other similarities, there are few superheroes who have been as "evil" and antagonistic as Hulk and Superman have been throughout their history.
But with the Hulk it normally makes sense. Most depictions of him are an unstable raging beast that rampages out of control. That’s like the default version of Hulk.
The only evil Superman I need is the Injustice one. But not all heroes need to suffer to grow and develop. Suffering is what turned Superman evil in Injustice. And power levels are not what makes a hero, their personality does. And some heroes can alternate or overlap of those 2 types of heroes you've mentioned. And Luke's struggle with the dark side never ends. It never ends for anyone. This is a very male concept that once demons are conquered, they will stay conquered. Sure he rejected the Dark Side in ROTJ, he's still scared of the darkness in himself and everyone just as he was on Dagobah. So that's consistent with him. The problem is that the person you see Luke as does not exist. Luke is not an inspirational hero. He's an overlap of the two types. And he IMMEDIANTLY regretted igniting his saber. but unlike the 2nd Death Star, this time it was too late. Heroes can fail, that's the theme of TLJ. The greatest teacher, failure is.
A Batman vs Evil Superman does have some potential to explore their relationship and dynamic. It’s more or less not a Batman fighting Superman rather Batman surviving Superman and trying to snap his friend out of it. The person that each of them truly trusts is each other. That being said Hush screwed up a lot in that regards. Actually the entire shared Animated Universe failed to establish their friendship. A World’s Finest movie wouldn’t have been so hard wouldn’t it.
I agree with the sentiment on this in basically every regard except for the powerscaling component. Ultimately none of it is real and the powerlevels don’t actually matter, if the story needs Superman to lose a fight with a baby it’ll make it happen, the much more important aspect of the story is what is being said
I like the Injustice story, it is interesting and the stakes are high, don't mean I always want an evil Superman but I did like that story. I think the big difference between Superman and Luke is that there is only one Luke, you can write an evil Superman story and have it isolated to it's own universe. In Star Wars there are not and shall never be multiple timelines, that means they need to do it once and correct.
Off topic (I agree by the way that evil superman is a dumb overplayed trope) but the new Suicide squad game looks like shit to me. The dialogue seems good but gameplay looks like something from Anthem or that Avengers game
Very well done sir. I've often thought of Superman as the place where religious heroes i.e Jesus went to hide because the world was scrubbing itself clean of any religion, generally to the world's detriment. I mean, Jesus has two nature's, divine and human. Superman is both Clark Kent (human) and Superman (divine.) Kal El is his name and El is a Hebrew prefix meaning God as in the words Elshaddai and Elohim. It's not a coincidence he was written by two jews fleeing an increasingly oppressive Germany. There are even coming can where Superman is crucified on a kryptonite crucifix, so this comparison is not lost on others writers.
The same I can say for Batman. Now he's always "Edgy". For I always hear this from the old people. The World Greatest Detective...BATMAN....Now That spot have 2 other fighting for the spot. Detective conan and Kindaichi case files For I have a good laugh at lego batman but now .....It just hard to
Injustice did something else too. At the end of the first game, Superman does make a triumphant appearance. seeing good Superman and bad Superman together really showed just how good Superman really is at his core. The difference between the two in Injustice is similar to the difference between Superman and Justice Lords Superman. they're similar, but the resolve of Good superman is what makes the difference. a Superman who choses evil is missing a fundamental part of the character by it's very nature and that's what's so frustrating. Evil Superman requires a base misunderstanding of who Clark is in order to exist.
It's not that he wasn't the focus, it's that in lego Batman 3 an evil Superman was the end boss. It's an example of how Superman is portrayed as evil (or has an "evil"moment) in nearly every popular media he makes an appearance in. And though Bstman is in the title, I'd argue that 3 was more of a Justice League story.
Oh oh oh! That's an entirely different topic! I LOVE Allmight. I got into the show when my sister said "you'll like it, the main character is trained by *almost* Superman". He's a favorite for sure!
I realized I didn't mention that in the video after I uploaded it, but the problem persists even when "evil Superman" isn't actually Superman. The fact that homelander, Omniman, Brightburn, and so many others are short-hand described as "evil Superman" essentially leads to the same result that Injustice does. Public perception becomes "evil Superman is cool".
Minus the comment on religion, agreed 100%. Writing Superman as "evil" or writing the "he has to go too far" story is juvenile, poor work for edgelords looking for tje cheap heat of violating tje sacred. Superman is and was always meant to be a standard-bearer for what is best in humanity, emodied in the alien son of another world- the migrant. He always finds the better way. He always takes the high ground because it's what he knows to be right. 💙
@ashleyvanhammer3448 if I were to go back, I'd use a more inclusive example. My point was i wanted to highlight the importance of some kind of defined, personal belief system. But I'm glad you liked the video outside that! Thankfully, between "my adventures with", "Superman and Lois" and the James Gunn movie and even the starman meme, I think DC got the message that we really want the good guy.
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Friends, Evil Superman is terrible.
@Villainy Outsider Yes he is deal with it
At this point, Superman has become a joke character of his own company (DC). I get turning a superhero evil one time for shock purposes, but DC has gone to that well way too many times. This makes Superman untrustworthy as we would have to determine which Superman will show up.
@@theedspage Agreed and this disrespects everything Jerry siegel and Joe schuster created Superman to be. Back during the great depression when the rich were getting richer and the poor were getting poorer and constantly being preyed on by those in power, they created superman to being light to a dark world, inspiration and escapism. He was created to be the absolute antithesis to the ideology that power corrupts and to stand as the literal champion of the common man.
Then you get idiots shallow minded mentalities that say superman would be better off as a villian simply because he is do powerful.Yet there are dozens of characters in the dc franchise either equally or more powerful than him.
And the means by which they turn superman evil are pretty cheap and have been explored in stories that were created to test superman's morals and his character and he still remained true to who he was. Kill lois lane, read ending battle and emporer joker to see a realistic portrayal of how that turns out.
Yea its getting a little old but Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League is a game is about an evil JL to be fair under Brainiac control
@Villainy Outsider Exactly. I'm tired of these Superman fanboys trying to ruin things for people who like alternatives to their simplistic boyscout
I loved seeing the Superman cameo in Shazam. To me, that's Superman. Taking time to help a disabled kid from bullies. That's Clark.
So tired of evil Superman.
That moment felt ripped right out of a side-story from a classic Superman book! I was grinning like an idiot when I saw that cameo. I loved it.
He had barely half a second on screen without even showing his face and he was still the best Superman interpretation in recent film.
Yeah, Superman is a humble, noble, and Boy Scout God. Not a dictator and evil God.
I agree, plus I would also say that evil Superman has become so common that it's actually cliche. All they need to do to keep him current is to make him care about the subjects that people care about nowadays. They don't need to make him edgy, they don't need to make him cool, all they really need to do is have him care about today's issues, and people find him relatable.
I think Action 775, Unchained, and the Rebirth books prove that very point.
So that must mean that 80 year of pure good superman ha become far more cliche
the whole point of Superman is that the values he represents are timeless. Bogging him down in today's politics would diminish that quality.
I'm reminded of the moment in superman returns where he loses his powers and is beaten to near death by luthors goons. He kept saying "I'm still Superman!" I understood then and there that his actions and his morality are what make him super not his powers. If you turn him into the bad guy it ceases to be superman he becomes Zod.
KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!
@@ComicCrash Zack Snyder turned Superman into Zod. In fact he made Zod morally superior than Superman himself.
@@nont18411 How?
@@rooban989 Superman’s morality is based on Lois Lane alone while Zod’s morality is based on the welfare of Kryptonian people.
@@nont18411 Superman's morality isn't based on Lois Lane, it's based on helping humanity. That's why he sacrificed himself against Doomaday.
I love superman because he is good just because is the right thing to do. He brings me hope.
Superman being evil just doesn't sit right with me and hate that this is happening again
lazy writing
They got Ultra Man. I don't know why they don't use him instead of making Clark Kent evil.
I love how as of lately people are talking about how evil Superman shouldn't be done, it goes to show he's loved by people despite what many people say nowadays.
I noticed that trend too. I dont know exactly why that's happening, but it's nice to know the conversation is happening. Hopefully it will lead to good things!
@@ComicCrash It is happening because Evil superman is a plot gimmick. It is like the "baby" gimmick of the 80s for cartoon characters where after the 5th show that took iconic characters and made them babies it got old fast. Early on when "Evil Superman" was a rare treat it was something interesting, but they have done so many variants on that idea that people just want the normal character already.
I don't mind evil superman as a concept but we've seen evil superman or evil superman like villains in alot of media it's getting cliche. The boys and now invincible are doing it too as well as DC themselves. The good pure hearted superman is far more interesting to me anyway.
And don't forget brightburn and injustice! I feel like I have to field WAY too many questions when I support Superman these days.
That's ridiculous. There aren't nearly as many evil supermen as the 80 years of generic simplistic good superman
it goes to show that injustice,the boys,Invincible etc don't understand superman and are parodying only the surface level face of supermanm(the fact that Omni-man resembles Goku more Clark does speaks volumes in of itself.). Clark's constant battle with the need to do right or wrong is what makes him so compelling. Clark is a character that is constantly facing his demons. that's one of the many reasons why Batman and Superman are the ying and yand of DC comics and why the two of them get along the most out of the justice league because they're personal journeys are effectively the exact same. While Batman is only human he much like Superman has the ability to end all of his villains and crush any opponent with ease if they just gave into that darker desire but they don't and that is what makes them so compelling. once superman or batman looses that Character angle they become boring and predictable. hence why DCEU batman sucked and why every evil version of superman sucks.
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The boys creator claims his comic is a deconstructionist story about superheroes in general, but all it really is, is him just making his heroes terrible people and nothing to actually say about superheroes.
He could have done something great, like actually critique supermans naive simplistic views and how his overly idealistic ways don't work in the real world
Showed his homelander as being able to hear everything, yet chosing to only save some people. That could have been used to show that superman does infact choose who and who not to save no matter how much he says he doesn't
It could have shown things like having to choose between letting his lover and his family die to save innocents and actually dealing with it or him being face with having to choose between a school full of children and staff and thousands of people in a burning building somewhere else or something like that, instead of being written as a someone who can "always find a way!"
It could have showed a less shallow and more realistic take on depression and suicide with him trying to truly help a teen with a sh*t life who's given up on everything instead of just giving her platitudes like "you are stronger than you think" like Superman does
But no, he just wanted to create a story that has nothing intelligent to actually say about superheroes
Omni-Man is not even meant to be a critique of superman, just a different character with a similar alien history.
Omniman is more like Superman having an evil kryptonian father. The superman in Invincible seems to actually Be Mark
the best version of Superman is the one that shares similar quality's to say Optimus prime from transformers
the hero that is heroic and goodhearted to a fault but his journey isn't about beating the bad guy and saving that day but saving the day by not becoming the bad guy.
Too bad Optimus Prime has been devalued lately in favor of Bumblebee by trying to turn Bumblebee into Batman.
I'm also tired of Evil Superman. Superman is my favorite comic book character of all-time and people need to understand that the world needs a Superman especially in this day of age.
We can all use a champion of the oppressed these days.
I'm starting to think when it comes to Superman, you either get it or you don't.
@Comic Crash that's true, I fully love him and I don't want him to change. The people that complain about him are the same people that think that Harley Quinn is a "great superhero" yet she is a mass murderer and also think that Deadpool is "awesome" when in reality, he gets boring with his jokes, fourth wall breaking, food obsession, and simp antics yet there are some good Deadpool stories like The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly but still, he is no hero that encourages me to do the right thing. Superman will forever be one my role models and my favorite comic character.
I am sick and tired of Superman being portrayed as evil. It's like people want Superman to be what he isn't, and don't appreciate Superman for who he is and the good he represents. The world needs Superman as a force of good, not a force of evil.
Totally! The world seems in short supply of good heroes.
@@ComicCrash it's more like the world doesn't want heroes to be good like Superman.
@@StareachValcin Or mabey the world has moved on the simplistic 50s and realized that the world is a more complex place and that superman is too simplistic
@@friedfrog5447 Superman isn't simplistic and the ideals he stands for are needed now more than ever. Moving on from that is just a sign of cynicism, which doesn't make the world better nor is it what the world needs.
@@StareachValcin Superman is absolutely simplistic and his ideal are only good for his fictional world that isn't realistic at all. Explain is complex about his ideals?
Moving on from him is a sign that people are no longer naive and understand that the real world is a more complex place than what supermans simple-minded ideals make it out to be.
Warner Brothers seems to lack the intelligence to do superman justice.
That's what's frustrating- I think they can. The comics currently are stellar! And "Superman and Lois" is really good too (though as if today they are starting an "evil moment" but the rest has been good) so they CAN make good Superman, they just dont!
I guess you can say that they're doing him *injustice*
........ I'll see myself out.
I agree, I hate Evil versions of Superman. I don't mind a what if scenario but to constantly have stories of mind control or losing control due to the loss of Louis is annoying at this point.
Supermans power is in his values and moral compass and not physical abilities. This has been lost and Superman is an ideal of hope despite what challenges he is confronted with.
Exactly! It pushes the stereotype that Superman is the dumb muscle. You have to have a strong intelligence modifier if you're going to be an investigative journalist, superpowers or not.
What in my opinion makes the whole he lost lois so now he's evil scenario suck is Kingdom Come did the same scenario and Superman still stuck by his morals , hell when he does snap in that story its done as the overwhelming pain of every bad thing that has happened to him crashed all at once and he couldn't truly process it
@@danielasarmiento3101 exactly! It was the prime example of how Supermans values were considered outdated yet as important as ever. This perfectly summarised why Superman is the beacon of hope despite the change in society.
@@hardcorecasual6608 what some people forget is red kryptonite can make superman bad too personally I prefer good superman more. The problem is see with evil superman stories is its The writing alot of time which is bad for example smallville and other comics.
Same here, injustice is the culprit imo, thats what got this evil superman thing rolling and gave people the perception that that is how the character is. So annoying listening normies who dont know the character speak like they know .
I know right.
They're the same people that think Joker and Harley are relationship goals.
Spicy take: The best "evil" versions of Superman is Soviet dictator Superman, Nazi Superman, and Superman pretending to be evil at the end of Superman vs The Elite. Seriously, I despise Injustice "Superman" because he is such a cartoonish villain to the point of parody. Injustice Gods Among Us is truly garbage when the versions of Superman who was raised by both the Nazis or Stalin grow up to become the Superman we all know and love rather than the Injustice one raised by the fucking KENTS!
I would argue the best evil Superman is Ultraman. That’s mostly because the logic of the universe Ultraman comes from basically favors villainy over justice, and the character was intended to be an opposite to Superman (more so then Bizarro).
Also Superdickery Superman. Cause at least the narrative there didn’t take itself seriously
Dude this is is highly well done
WHOOOOOOAAAAAAAA! SUPERMAN! I'm a HUGE fan!
Injustice Gods Among Us: Joker tricks "Superman" into murdering his wife and unborn child which triggers a nuclear bomb blowing up Metropolis killing over 11 million people. This "Superman" then immediately flies and punches his chest through Joker's chest instantly killing him. Then this "Superman" or really Homelander with an S on his chest becomes Stalin and builds gulags and armies of stormtroopers to rule the planet with an iron fist. This "Superman" engages in a 5 year civil war against Batman killing many of his own friends that he's know for years. God this story is garbage!
Emperor Joker: Joker tricks Mxyzptlk into give him all of his Godlike powers to control and manipulate all of reality which he uses to kill Batman over and over again and twist existence into his own image. Joker snaps his fingers killing everyone Superman has ever known and love including Lois, Jimmy, his parents, the Justice League, and Batman again trying to break Superman's will and mind to force him to kill. Superman never gives in and never gives up and never compromises his morals or kills the Joker in order to save all of existence even though Batman himself was broken and wanted Joker to die. Joker with just a snap of his fingers unleashed everything that could possible break the Man of Steel only to strengthen Superman's resolve which inspires all of his friends. This story by the way is canon and shows why Superman is still the greatest superhero of all time. Superman defeated the Joker with Godlike powers to control existence itself and despite losing Lois, his parents, and all of his friends, Superman never gave up or lost hope and continued to resist Emperor Joker. Superman is the ultimate symbol of Hope and all that is good. Throughout this story Joker's is continuously humiliated by Superman who refuses to accept the reality Joker created and his defiance is a rallying cry for the other heroes to rediscover their hopes. Batman is killed and resurrected over and over again having to live with the memories of torment and pain after being killed and resurrected so many times by Emperor Joker. Batman is literally Joker's chew toy throughout this entire story and the rest of the Justice League are transformed into hilarious caricatures of themselves like Wonder Woman being a housewife, Aquaman being a literal fish, Martian Manhunter becoming shorter resembling Marvin the Martian from Looney Tunes, and the Flash being fat and obsessed with junk food. There was a point near the end where Joker gave Superman a chance to truly kill him ending his rule over existence which Superman outright refused because it's what Joker would want and this was after Joker killed Lois and the entire Justice League. This pissed off Joker who decided to straight up kill Superman but cannot because he's losing his grip on his powers. Joker decides to destroy the entire universe so Superman on his own needs to discover the rules that Joker plays by in order for him to lose Mxyzptlk's powers before it's too late. Superman being the greatest hero of all time beats Godlike Joker at his own game using his wits and exploiting Joker's obsession and insecurities with the Batman causing Joker to doubt his own ability. Joker can't get rid of Batman no matter how many times he kills him or wills him out of existence because Joker's life and existence is meaningless without Batman which causes the Joker to lose his powers which return to Mxyzptlk and he, Superman, and Spectre repair and fix the entire Universe back to what it was before this whole horrifying event. Batman however had to live with all the trauma of being killed in so many gruesome and painful ways and is literally a broken shell of a man. Superman being the true hero and friend that he is has the Spectre take all of that traumatizing PTSD out of Batman and implant them into Joker who is drooling on the floor at Arkham Asylum. And Batman fanboys still think Batman is better than Superman LOL. Batman not only lost to the Joker but lost his morals and became insane wanting Superman to kill Joker to end it all. This story proves Superman is truly incorruptible and this story came out in the year 2000!
And there are people who still think Injustice is a good portrayal of Superman and the Justice League? LOL It's a horribly written story that perverts and bastardized the characters that everyone knows and loves for the sake of being dark and edgy.
When I was but a wee little lad I thought I was Superman I even walked around in a Superman cape until the age of like 3 or 4 and I would watch the Christopher Reeve Superman 1 and Superman the animated series and the Max Fleischer Superman even though my dumb little kid brain didn’t understand a thing that was going on I loved it but I did and still do see a lot of myself in Clark Kent and that’s why it’s so disheartening to see Superman be evil or dark and edgy all the time because the people working on them don’t know how to handle him like Henry Cavil has so much potential and probably knows more about Superman than Zack Synder and he’s just wasted and I think the reason why so many people dislike Superman is A how he’s portrayed in the movies and games Synder verse, injustice, ext or B they’ve become Lex Luther like every time I hear a comic book fan say they don’t like Superman they sound like Lex Luther and that just makes me sad because like they say that the “build a better tomorrow thing” makes them sick and they laugh at Superman’s optimism and that’s why I love moments when it feels like Superman is directly responding to these people specifically the moment he is told “you’re living in a dream world” and hearing how Superman responds always puts a smile on my face “good dreams save us dreams lift us up and transform us into something better and on my soul I swear that until my dream of a world where dignity honor and justice are a reality we all share I will never stop fighting ever” I think if we could all be a little more like Superman just maybe the world would be a better place
Spectracle Creep, I see that a lot in DBZ lately, especially in DBZ Super. Like at first, Goku had to fight some members of his race, then a genocidal alien who blows up entire worlds and who sent the said members of his race after Goku and his friends. Then a bunch of androids and a mutant bug man who had samples of all the heroes's DNA. Then a pink monster who was awakened by a crazed alien wizard and could wipe out mankind just like that.
But then we have DBZ Super, where now the threat is a literal pissed off god, then multiple pissed off gods, whom they raise the stakes to obliterating entire universes because they need less to manage, or stuff like a guy wishing to become a literal universe himself, but yet at the detriment to all the other characters though. Just raise the stakes higher and higher but at the cost of the characters.
They sort of toned it back down with Dragon Ball Super Broly, the Motaro arc, and even the current Granola arc to a certain extent.
Angry Joe would LOVE your video!
Spicy Take: The best "evil" versions of Superman are Soviet Dictator Superman, Nazi Superman, and when Superman pretends to be evil at the end of Superman vs The Elite.
Injustice Superman is a fuckin cartoon villain. Hell, Soviet Communist Superman and even Nazi Superman have better moral compasses and humanity despite being raised by mass murderers and monsters rather than the Injustice one who was raised by the fuckin KENTS! Soviet Superman finds out about the gulags and purges then vaporizes Stalin with his heat vision. He then is horrified, guilt ridden, and starts crying because it was the first time he took a life. Soviet Superman then shuts down the gulags and becomes the next dictator of the Soviet Union. Nazi Superman after helping the Nazis and Fascists invade and conquer the United States comes back to Europe years later to discover the Nazis death camps which disgusts and horrifies him because he realized the role he played in all of this. Nazi Superman then tears down the Nazis concentration camps. Even versions of Superman that were raised by Stalin and the Nazis grew up to be closer to the Superman we all know and love rather than the Injustice one that murders his own friends just for arguing with him! Fuck the shitty Injustice games and comics!
Yo someone send this video to Angry joe
Huh. This angry Joe guy seems like a kindred spirit. More than a couple people have brought him up.
@@ComicCrash The reason is because he hates the evil Superman thing too
Angry Joe also hated it.
Eh... if ya think about it... every superhero has that duality. Every superhero has an evil version or an evil moment or an evil split personality.
Cap was Hydra. Fans didn't like it, so it was written that he thought he was Hydra. Either way, we still lived to see Captain America say "hail Hydra"
Hulk has his mindless mode and his professor mode.
Wolverine has a heart of gold, but also has that savage mode and a blood soaked past.
Wonder Woman killed children in the comics.
Jean Grey has Dark Phoenix
Professor X became Onslaught
Spider-man has black suit Spider-man.
Metal Gear Solid Rising Revengence, Raiden has "Jack the Ripper"
Xena the Warrior Princess was a villain before she was good.
Angel the Vampire has his soul and then has the version of himself as Angelous where he is a Vamp with no soul.
Heck!! Even Dark Wing Duck has an alternate reality where Goslyn went missing and he became super strict and militant and more of an enforcer than a peacemaker.
You make a great point and while Evil Superman is overused, I do not think Evil Superman should not be. Every major superhero has an evil version or an evil side or an evil past that haunts them. I think it serves as a reminder that it's a good thing they are on our side and that ANYBODY can lose their way. But not all who wander are lost.
Bruh the fact that you bring up Darkwing gives you mad respect. (Begins humming the theme song)
I'd agree that an evil Superman can be used well (as of now the Superman and Lois show seems to be building that quite well), but generally he isn't and like I said, Superman is evil in pop media more than he's good and that's frustrating.
@Villainy Outsider Speak for yourself.
Or Tony Stark and his reflection of being the paragon CEO of the times which lend itself to Superior Iron Man or Civil War Iron Man
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Shifting paradigms. Tony Stark's always been an attempt to marry capitalism and workplace drama to cape comics, for better or worse. So they rework his personality to reflect that. His earlier incarnations like in the 60s and 70s was impersonal and cold because he was supposed to reflect the rich "forward thinker" business tycoon that was well worn. Through the 80s and 90s, business ceos were getting the shit grilled out of them for focusing on lining their pockets more than doing anything about the state of the world, so Tony became a massive guilt-tripping fuckup. And by the 2000's, CEOs were promoting the image of "doing more" in contributing back to the world and being the front men of their company in terms of ethics. So Tony had to basically push himself as the front man to his own company, hence putting himself as the front man to Iron Man too. And now that the world is still buying into the hype of elon musk "activist" type of tycoons who publicize every act of charity and social responsibility performed for further clout, it's stuck to Tony Stark to never look back in terms of "doing more" with what he can do. Which in his case means staying prominently as Iron Man in the public eye.
Robert Downey Jr. definitely helped in giving the character a far more interesting personality that reasonably would refuse to hide behind a secret identity due to hubris and attention seeking, but the shift towards a public Iron Man was kind of in the works already."
Red Son is an elseworld story so I can accept it it's also the only of those animated films that I've seen.
Also the original graphic novel was written before Superman was often written as an antagonist.
You should definitely hop into the animated movies. That's where DC really shines.
@@ComicCrash What about DCAU?
@@justinesun631 the dcau is very good overall. As far as movies are concerned, I believe the DC animated movies are the way to go over theatrical ones.
You can measure yourself and your friends to certain standards without religion.
Sure. May I suggest that, perhaps, religion is something broader than attending a church system and is an accountability to something higher. What "something higher" is is less important than making sure it's defined. What are those standards to measure against and WHY should they be?
I'm never a supporter of following a religion or belief system blindly. The most important question that everyone needs to ask about any belief system is "why is it like this" and relying on faith that answers will come shouldn't be a passive plan and should be acted on; ideally through direct conversation and careful (i.e. prayerful) consideration .
But if an established system (i.e. a religious system or "church") does well for you and it encourages you to deepen your understanding both in and outside of that system, then that's a good place to be. Atleast for the time.
But like I said, it's a topic that should be discussed somewhere other than a channel about comic books and stuff 😉.
@@ComicCrash appreciate the thoughtful response, I was having a drunken argument with a friend who knowingly goaded me by saying Superman is lame at the time, lol.
Preach!
Dude! You couldn’t be any more right. It feels like everything coming out with Superman aside from the comics usually portrays Clark as a villain (other than Superman and Lois) which just makes me sad. Superman is tied with Batman for my favorite hero so it just hurts seeing how he’s fallen. I think to bring him back to his old status as top dog they need to reboot him for a movie just like they’re doing for Robert Pattinson’s Batman.
Maybe, but right now Superman and Lois is scratching that it has pretty good. I made this before the show was released but if I were to do it again, I'd comment that the show proves that good-guy Superman is still the preference of most audiences.
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Which was then followed by an Injustice movie. Blech!
@@ComicCrash Yeah, Superman and Lois is amazing of course, but there’s one problem with it. It’s a show. I can probably get my mom and dad to watch a 2 hour long movie in theaters but I’ll have a lot of trouble convincing them to watch a fifteen episode season of television. As great as the show is it can never do for Superman what a live-action film could do.
I agree. I've been collecting Superman since 1977. One other question. Since when was Deadshot a black guy ?
Honestly, what is so appealing about superman being evil and murdering thousands of innocent people including other hereos. My brother keeps telling me that injustice is the best story of all time, and keeps showing me high lander sadistically murdering people in cold blood which is not cool, and all of this because I made a hilarious parody version of superman called captain perfect on Instagram. But the problem I have is that I made captain perfect to be a likable jerk as a joke animated short.
I also hate the Superman is evil trope and it infuriates me when people use the argument that a real life Superman wouldn't be virtuous and would be an evil tyrant like Homelander instead. I do not agree with organized religion though. I do believe in values.
I meet a lot of people that say that if they had Superman powers that they would turn into tyrants. Buddy, you wouldn't turn into a tyrant. you'd just make your own life more convenient. very few people in existence, I think, have the emotional capabilities to become tyrannical.
I don’t like the idea of turning Superman evil. It feels like ever since Injustice, the world has this vision that Superman is a weak minded alien that will go crazy and turn evil if he loses a loved one. When in reality and how Superman was originally built was as a Symbol of Hope that although he’s an alien, he’s the most human and kind person on earth and is what everyone should strive to be. A kind, gentle, compassionate loving man who’s also the strongest being on the planet. He’s supposed to be the person who shows the most restrain because he has the powers of a god yet chooses to use his abilities for the benefit of everyone. He knows he can take whatever he wants but chose to become a public servant and hero because that’s what makes him happy and what his parents instilled in him. I see people say “that would be boring” but it wouldn’t, it’s just that it’s harder to make an interesting story for a non edgy hero but look at Spider-Man. He’s a lighthearted hero who shares a lot of values with Superman and he’s not only loved by fans but is also extremely commercially successful. Heck, Anime and Manga fans will know that the show My Hero Academia has the character of All Might. He’s universally loved and people say that he’s a great character and that he’s better than Superman when All Might is basically Japanese Superman or the original vision of Superman that has been loved and successful for almost over a century. In my opinion, Superman: The Animated Series and both Justice League Animated Series, handled his character in the best way and showed why he works as a character with his chill and self sacrificing nature. Also I feel it even hursts Batman because their friendship is interesting due to the duality of their characters. Batman is the mortal man that has reached such a level through hard work that he can stand together with the most powerful heroes but is haunted by his past and that makes him a Dark Symbol of Fear and Justice for criminals. Superman is the god that was given his powers through his heritage but chooses to stand among the civilians because he looks towards a bright future and that makes him a Symbol of Hope and Peace for the common people. This two people couldn’t be more different yet are are best friends and share a brotherhood because one completes the other and helps him stay grounded. Batman helps Clark see the cynical way of life and helps him not get discourage when his idealism fails. Superman helps Bruce see the optimistic way of life and helps him see that there’s a beautiful world beyond the crime infested streets of Gotham. Superman is not my favorite but I still really like him a lot and I’m tired of people and especially writers thinking they have to turn him into The Homelander to tell a compelling story.
@Villainy Outsider No, its boring, and reeks of poor storytelling skills.
@Villainy Outsider Most definately, and i have seen far better, what, you shocked some people actually can think of good stories for superman that doesn't involve weak shock value elements. heres a couple of stories written in comics way better than evil superman.
1. Ending Battle
2. Final Crisis
3. Doomsday clock
4. Our worlds at war
5. Day of Doom
6. Superman Doomsday hunter Prey
7. Superman where is thy sting
8. For all Seasons
9. Superman Unchained
10. Superman Exile
@Villainy Outsider Emperor Joker : Due to mxy meddling joker becomes a god like being that bends reality to his will, superman through sheer will power barely manges to see through Jokers mechanations and has to use wits for the majority of the story since Joker stripped of most of his powers and made him a criminal
Kingdom Come : a story about him dealing with a world overrun murderous vigilantes who pose as heroes, takes place years after the death Lois lane
If they need a Kryptonian power villain why not just use Zod Ursa non heck you can even use Cyborg Superman or what was that last one The Eradicator. Heck why not use a Bizarro?
The eradicator and the cyborg would fit all these scenarios really well. One wants to rebuild the world to look like krypton, the other keeps working with powerful off-worlders to claim the earth. Destroy and rule. That covers all the bases.
@@ComicCrash the fact that both The Eradicator and Cyborg Superman are slightly weaker than the normal Superman Plus even if you outright trying to kill them they won't die they'll simply go into the waiting room to come back later. Cyborg Superman always puts himself back together I don't know how many times and The Eradicator it's always returned no matter how many times you scatter his energy
there is this multiverus game where the actually add it the real superman who actually the good guy and kinda glad that the devs of the game what superman is and he supposed to be
I was very pleased with that. I was ready to believe that the Canon of the game was that all of warner Brothers was getting together to fight Superman. I'm glad that's not the case.
This is why I always say the Marvel equivalent of Superman is the Hulk. Besides the other similarities, there are few superheroes who have been as "evil" and antagonistic as Hulk and Superman have been throughout their history.
But with the Hulk it normally makes sense. Most depictions of him are an unstable raging beast that rampages out of control. That’s like the default version of Hulk.
The only evil Superman I need is the Injustice one. But not all heroes need to suffer to grow and develop. Suffering is what turned Superman evil in Injustice. And power levels are not what makes a hero, their personality does. And some heroes can alternate or overlap of those 2 types of heroes you've mentioned.
And Luke's struggle with the dark side never ends. It never ends for anyone. This is a very male concept that once demons are conquered, they will stay conquered. Sure he rejected the Dark Side in ROTJ, he's still scared of the darkness in himself and everyone just as he was on Dagobah. So that's consistent with him. The problem is that the person you see Luke as does not exist. Luke is not an inspirational hero. He's an overlap of the two types. And he IMMEDIANTLY regretted igniting his saber. but unlike the 2nd Death Star, this time it was too late. Heroes can fail, that's the theme of TLJ. The greatest teacher, failure is.
Great video, I hope you make more of this content
Thanks! I put a lot of energy into this one. I have a new video coming up soon that I think you'll really dig if you liked this one!
There already is a evil Kryptonian his name is general zod
A Batman vs Evil Superman does have some potential to explore their relationship and dynamic. It’s more or less not a Batman fighting Superman rather Batman surviving Superman and trying to snap his friend out of it. The person that each of them truly trusts is each other. That being said Hush screwed up a lot in that regards. Actually the entire shared Animated Universe failed to establish their friendship. A World’s Finest movie wouldn’t have been so hard wouldn’t it.
The comic and subsequent movie "Superman/ Batman Public Enemies" shows this off perfectly. More so the comic.
Amen brother
I agree with the sentiment on this in basically every regard except for the powerscaling component. Ultimately none of it is real and the powerlevels don’t actually matter, if the story needs Superman to lose a fight with a baby it’ll make it happen, the much more important aspect of the story is what is being said
I like the Injustice story, it is interesting and the stakes are high, don't mean I always want an evil Superman but I did like that story.
I think the big difference between Superman and Luke is that there is only one Luke, you can write an evil Superman story and have it isolated to it's own universe.
In Star Wars there are not and shall never be multiple timelines, that means they need to do it once and correct.
Off topic (I agree by the way that evil superman is a dumb overplayed trope) but the new Suicide squad game looks like shit to me. The dialogue seems good but gameplay looks like something from Anthem or that Avengers game
The new gameplay trailer killed any hope I had remaining in the game. Looks like the same repetitive thing that makes avengers so bland.
Most videos ranting on this subject came out before Invincible.
the theme song is so catchy
Thanks! I'll just take that compliment and hold onto it forever if you don't mind :)
Batman fought Superman in the Hush storyline in the comics.
Nice video you need more subs
Thanks for the kind words!
They need to make an animated "Superman: True Brit."
Lazy writing. That's what making Superman evil is.
I love evil Superman because I see nothing left for Superman to do as a hero.
Very well done sir. I've often thought of Superman as the place where religious heroes i.e Jesus went to hide because the world was scrubbing itself clean of any religion, generally to the world's detriment.
I mean, Jesus has two nature's, divine and human. Superman is both Clark Kent (human) and Superman (divine.)
Kal El is his name and El is a Hebrew prefix meaning God as in the words Elshaddai and Elohim.
It's not a coincidence he was written by two jews fleeing an increasingly oppressive Germany.
There are even coming can where Superman is crucified on a kryptonite crucifix, so this comparison is not lost on others writers.
You should review Tag And Bink
You know what? I should review Tag and Bink. I'll throw it on the list.
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Wanted to make sure you saw it. Thanks for the suggestion!
The same I can say for Batman.
Now he's always "Edgy". For I always hear this from the old people.
The World Greatest Detective...BATMAN....Now That spot have 2 other fighting for the spot.
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For I have a good laugh at lego batman but now .....It just hard to
just an immediately fantastic video.
Thank you! I really appreciate that. I'll try to make more like this in the future.
So good.
I do like evil superman to
That should be obvious to you
What game is that!?
That's DCUO; DC Universe Online. It's pretty fun and the closest we have to a real superman game if you build it right.
É realmente terrível.
Wow your small cool. But I love injustice so…
Injustice did something else too. At the end of the first game, Superman does make a triumphant appearance. seeing good Superman and bad Superman together really showed just how good Superman really is at his core. The difference between the two in Injustice is similar to the difference between Superman and Justice Lords Superman. they're similar, but the resolve of Good superman is what makes the difference.
a Superman who choses evil is missing a fundamental part of the character by it's very nature and that's what's so frustrating. Evil Superman requires a base misunderstanding of who Clark is in order to exist.
Of course they gonna have Harley beating Superman cause she's strong wahMEN bestest evaaaaa!!! What a joke!🤮
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aww was superman never the focus in the lego BATMAN games? wierd
It's not that he wasn't the focus, it's that in lego Batman 3 an evil Superman was the end boss. It's an example of how Superman is portrayed as evil (or has an "evil"moment) in nearly every popular media he makes an appearance in.
And though Bstman is in the title, I'd argue that 3 was more of a Justice League story.
On a related note: I think there should be a "LEGO Superman: The Videogame"
You forgot a reason ..... your soft
I feel like all might is a better character than Superman
Oh oh oh! That's an entirely different topic! I LOVE Allmight. I got into the show when my sister said "you'll like it, the main character is trained by *almost* Superman". He's a favorite for sure!
not really, his too much of a knock off and far too reliant on his abilities compared to superman.
Let us see the good side of evil Superman if wasn’t for injustice we would never have invincible and the boys to enjoy
I realized I didn't mention that in the video after I uploaded it, but the problem persists even when "evil Superman" isn't actually Superman. The fact that homelander, Omniman, Brightburn, and so many others are short-hand described as "evil Superman" essentially leads to the same result that Injustice does. Public perception becomes "evil Superman is cool".
Minus the comment on religion, agreed 100%. Writing Superman as "evil" or writing the "he has to go too far" story is juvenile, poor work for edgelords looking for tje cheap heat of violating tje sacred. Superman is and was always meant to be a standard-bearer for what is best in humanity, emodied in the alien son of another world- the migrant. He always finds the better way. He always takes the high ground because it's what he knows to be right. 💙
@ashleyvanhammer3448 if I were to go back, I'd use a more inclusive example. My point was i wanted to highlight the importance of some kind of defined, personal belief system. But I'm glad you liked the video outside that!
Thankfully, between "my adventures with", "Superman and Lois" and the James Gunn movie and even the starman meme, I think DC got the message that we really want the good guy.