Thanks for sharing. This was the sort of thing I wanted to know about the Soul battery (how it's composed). It sucks to hear that only LG pouch cells fit. I'm hoping someone finds an alternative that can be adapted.
Hi good video and experience. Thanks for describing your thought through the repair process. This video is more like an overview I guess. I am looking something more precise: how to dismount the HV battery, how to disassemble battery blocks and take out particular cells, how to map the diagram of kia soul spy to the physicals cells etc. Perhaps you have already in your channel - I will go and check. Definitely like for this video.
Znaci kraljevi u domeni bi vas ja nazvao, svaka cast na poslu na objasnjenju. vidimo se nekada, nadam se bez da imam problema sa EVom koji vozim, ali cisto mozda za iscitavanja nekih parametera ili provjere baterije prije isteka garancije :)
@@evclinic Thank you for your answer. Please tell me, can strong recuperation harm 30 kW batteries? There are rumors that recuperation kills batteries.
Has the 2018 30kWh batteries been any better from your experience? Mine hasn't degraded much but I don't fast charge often and keep the battery under 80% most of the time. Also, I've subscribed :) Keep up the great work!
If you are in the US it has a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty on the battery. Had my 2016’s battery replaced for free 2 years ago. I think they actually upgraded me, because now my range always reads 120 miles after a full charge.
In Europe 80000km and 8 years. Warranty is excluded if you miss any oil change filter change ex…. And it is excluded if car shuts down during 0% driving.
@@evclinic Ah that's a bummer. It's weird when the US has a better consumer benefit than Europe, usually it's the other way around. But I guess it's because we have a heavy car culture here and they wanted to build consumer confidence in EVs. Most cars don't have a 10 year warranty here though. Well at least with an EV you won't have to worry about missing an oil change.
@@destructodisk9074 i must correct my self, warranty is 160000km. Everything else is correct what i said. Yes, USA has more customer oriented laws and consumer protection. EU is too corrupted. You remember dieselgate
Jel slican rizik postoji i za Citigo eIV? Pitam jer znam da nema aktivno hlađenje a vozimo se po toplom vremenu u Dalmaciji. Doduše, ako ništa garažiran je pa nije 0-24 na suncu. Koja je preporuka za "čuvanje baterije"?
Da li je neko prepravljao vozilo tako da vazduh koji hladi bateriju se vraca u kabinu (da cirkulise kroz kobinu) umesto da izlazi vani? Tako bi se temperatura baterije regulisala na temperaturu kabine.
@@evclinic znao sam, da se zezate. A sada ozbiljno pitanje: kako ja kao kupac EV mogu znati, da li ima EV Termal Management (grijanje, hlađenje) baterije? Gdje i kako to mogu saznati? Lično vozim ID 3, 2022 godište, bruto 55 kW baterija. Hvala !
@evclinic I am planning to buy nissan leaf 62kwh and only charge it 80% on a 7kw charger. I hope it will last longer. I don't know if the motor and gearbox are reliable. Is just a gamble to be honest with you.
From following Bjorns videos, it seems the Soul is great for urban and in-range trips, but suffers a bit on long trips with multiple rapid charges. I do wonder if all the Souls being seen with damaged batteries have been used for long, high speed trips, as my 2016 has 96.8% SOH at around 65-70,000 KM; and this hasnt dropped in the 2 years, 10-15,000 KM I have put on the car. (Estimates, as I use miles). I only make a few out of range trips per year, and cruise at 100KPH, as the brick-like nose causes big drops in efficiency over that speed. I 100% slow charge once per month at 3KW, to balance the cells, and even a normal home charge, I set my charger to 5.5KW, rather than full power, and to 80% only. My 27KWh battery has maintained 26.1 KWh of storage over those 2 years, actually gaining nearly 0.5KWh over the initial state I bought it in, as the cells badly needed a balance; my min/max voltage variation is only +/- 0.01volts, and my worst cell has 10.8% degradation. High speed driving and high speed charging both cause high temperatures, especially in a few banks of the battery pack that are difficult to cool.
These are very good advices, you shared. I've bought my 2016 Soul PSEV almost a year ago with hailstorm damage. The car must have been stored for about 2-3 months without use, before I bought it, as hailstorm damaged the painting at a few spots, which have started to grow a little rost. But the display was showing 151km rage with 14/18 bars of battery charge level, so it looked good enough for me with the 47300km total run. When I received the Soul, it still had 141km range, so I used it first & then fully charged to 100%, which resulted in a 209km range on the display. It soon turned out, that it doesn't has that capacity any more, & after a Turtle-game on Silvester's night (it was about 3-5 °C) the next full charges resulted in ~180km & later 160km ranges. I only charged with original KIA home charger (10A). Meanwhile I updated the firmware of the mainboard, which resulted in loosing charging point, so my "Nearest charging point" function doesn't work now, although the update process was done flawlessly, without any issues. I've checked the electric meter to see how much energy does the Soul need during a full charge from Turtle to 100 % & it was 27 kWh. I was happy, until I realized there is about ~10 % loss on the charging process, specially during slow charge (as the default minimum power is used longer by the electric parts), so I accepted that my Soul's soul (he-he...) has probably 90 % SoH. I've used Quick Charge (CHAdeMO) only 4 times during my 10 000 km run: 1. date: 31/Dec/2023 charging time: 00:04:45 Energy: 3,02 kWh Charge level: from ~4 % to 17 %. Note: This was a strange experience for me, as the possible range jumped up significantly higher after this QC, compared to my latest 17 % SoC level, as the battery got warmed up from the QC process & I presume some forgotten/frozen electrons were resurrected into their lives again, so BMS saw them again as live & possible load. Later I bought an OBD-BT ataptor & was able to check it: SoH: was shown as 91% by Soul Spy app. One I did a slow run on purpose to see the max range of it (max.80 km/h speed on 150 km range, plus some eco urban), which ended up in 179 km real run with 4-5 % leftover meaning the total possible range would be around ~195 km. 2. date: 29/Jun/2024 charging time: 00:07:20 Energy: 5,3 kWh Charge level: (not know exaxtly, but it was around 50 % & we got around 19-20 % up to 70 %). 3. date: 30/Jun/2024 charging time: 00:06:29 Energy: 4,7 kWh Charge level: (not know exaxtly, but it was around 73 % & we got around 17 % up to 90 %). At this time, the 100% charged range was slowly going up from 154 km to 157 km. But then I was on a 2,5 weeks holiday in July & an incredibly hot summer tortured my Soul EV left outside under the sun, even though I left it on purpose with 49 % SoC level, as I read it is the best to store HV batteries on the long run with near 50 % load. (even dealers do the same) When I got home & needed charged it up again, the next 100 % range was only 141 km. Some cells maybe suffered the extreme HOT weather (36-39°C in shade for a week or so)... My latest QC was this: 4. date: 04/Aug/2024 charging time: 00:03:57 Energy: 2,54 kWh Charge level: from 7 % to 18 %. SoH: is shown as 86% by Soul Spy currently & my maximum range is about 142-146 km. I usually drive it in the city, so my (non-winter) use in urban mode is about 12-13 kWh, which is good for a safe 165-170 km range, even though it shows a ~143 km range. My experience, as discharging the battery: a) Upper part: from 100 % to 70 % it is good for an extra 0,5 km / 1 km predicted range. b) middle part: from 70 % to 40 % it is good for an extra 0,3 km / 1 km predicted range. c) lower part: from 40 % to 10 % it is usually precise. d) unsafe part: from 10 % to shut down, it is really not reliable; I usually calculate with the half of the displayed range, specially during winter time. I was thinking about to install 2pcs of (thin) flexible solar panels onto the roof, just to make the maximum out of its flat shaped roof, but I haven't figured it out, how to connect the 12V output of the solar panels into the car's own charger. It's a pity, that only HV battery can charge the 12V normal battery & cannot be the other way around. :) Do you have an idea? I'm also about to replace some cells later on, but can you advice a reliable cell supplier to purchase from? Thank you, my Dear Soul-mates! ;)
@@markn2431 Remember that the range estimate really is just a guess, based on your recent driving history; if you do a battery's worth of high speed driving, the estimate will take that into account and give a reduced range that reflects driving at that speed. It also makes little/no allowance for regen; which, living in a very hilly area, I get lots of. The latest software update from Kia does seem to have improved the accuracy of the "Guess 'O Meter" (GOM), and mine has been showing as high as 97 miles for a full charge, whereas all summer, it only ever reached 94 miles; it seems pretty accurate as well at least at no more than 60mph/100kmh; I have done a 74 mile run and still had the expected GOM range remaining. In in-car charging station system has always been pretty poor - despite having the options to filter by charger type - it continues to display ALL chargers of all types - including private ones you cannot access; and at least one phantom charger locally; instead I used ZapMap and Electroverse mapping systems; which tie into Navi, the satnav program on my phone - which is also far superior to the route planner built into the car. I have recently bought a cheap 12v battery monitor that sends alerts to my phone - but havent had time to fit it - and I do have a couple of 12v "Intelligent" chargers I can try out (smallest from Lidl/Aldi for not a lot of money.
Thanks for sharing. This was the sort of thing I wanted to know about the Soul battery (how it's composed). It sucks to hear that only LG pouch cells fit. I'm hoping someone finds an alternative that can be adapted.
Hi good video and experience. Thanks for describing your thought through the repair process. This video is more like an overview I guess. I am looking something more precise: how to dismount the HV battery, how to disassemble battery blocks and take out particular cells, how to map the diagram of kia soul spy to the physicals cells etc. Perhaps you have already in your channel - I will go and check. Definitely like for this video.
Znaci kraljevi u domeni bi vas ja nazvao, svaka cast na poslu na objasnjenju. vidimo se nekada, nadam se bez da imam problema sa EVom koji vozim, ali cisto mozda za iscitavanja nekih parametera ili provjere baterije prije isteka garancije :)
Where did you find a provider for the cells? I am looking around to do the same procedure with no luck.
@evclinic Hello, Is there an easy way to check with which cells (SK or LG) is the battery?
He said the 27kWh is the SK innovativ and the 30kWh is LG.
Hi what is you opinion on 40kWh E-NV200 with active cooling ? Them have the same cells as Leafs but they have active cooling.
Hello. What do you think about 30 kW cars? As I understand it, with LG elements they will perform better?
@@Dimasanchik You mean 30 kWh. Yes LG cells are way better
@@evclinic Thank you for your answer. Please tell me, can strong recuperation harm 30 kW batteries? There are rumors that recuperation kills batteries.
Bjørn Nyland ❤️ EV’s ❤️ Norway ❤️
Súper 👍
This car is for sale. Would you recommend buying it for 9000 E? I only need it for short distances like 50km per day max.
Has the 2018 30kWh batteries been any better from your experience? Mine hasn't degraded much but I don't fast charge often and keep the battery under 80% most of the time. Also, I've subscribed :) Keep up the great work!
What is the real autonomy and how many does the odometer say in total?
What is you taughts on the lfp cells, as example catl cels in tesla 3 rwd?
Top quality. More important is existence of active thermal control, cooling and heating of cells
If you are in the US it has a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty on the battery. Had my 2016’s battery replaced for free 2 years ago.
I think they actually upgraded me, because now my range always reads 120 miles after a full charge.
In Europe 80000km and 8 years. Warranty is excluded if you miss any oil change filter change ex…. And it is excluded if car shuts down during 0% driving.
@@evclinic Ah that's a bummer. It's weird when the US has a better consumer benefit than Europe, usually it's the other way around. But I guess it's because we have a heavy car culture here and they wanted to build consumer confidence in EVs. Most cars don't have a 10 year warranty here though.
Well at least with an EV you won't have to worry about missing an oil change.
@@destructodisk9074 i must correct my self, warranty is 160000km. Everything else is correct what i said. Yes, USA has more customer oriented laws and consumer protection. EU is too corrupted. You remember dieselgate
@@evclinicbest motor in the world
Tdi that’s why America destroyed them
Better this than leaking coolant inside battery pack in Ford Focus electric (2013-2016).
My Kia Soul EV 2018 battery just died after only 100 000 km...
Same with my 2016 EV at 104 000 km, I am not buying Kia ever again.
Jel slican rizik postoji i za Citigo eIV? Pitam jer znam da nema aktivno hlađenje a vozimo se po toplom vremenu u Dalmaciji. Doduše, ako ništa garažiran je pa nije 0-24 na suncu. Koja je preporuka za "čuvanje baterije"?
Manji je rizil bar po dosadasnjim analizama jer VAG u tim voziloma koristi Prismatic celije u metaliziranim kucistima, nisu Pouch
kajak punim isključivo sporo, prek noći, ima limunade il izbjegavat struju?
Sporo punjenje i kratke svakodnevne relacije nebi smjele imati apsolutno nikakav utjecaj tj. minimalna degradacija
Da li je neko prepravljao vozilo tako da vazduh koji hladi bateriju se vraca u kabinu (da cirkulise kroz kobinu) umesto da izlazi vani? Tako bi se temperatura baterije regulisala na temperaturu kabine.
To je strogo zabranjeno zbog isparavanja elektrolita
@@evclinic nisam razmisljao o tome, ali nigde na internetu se ne spominje da te celije imaju isparenja, pre nego sto se zapale.
@@zsteva ne zapale se, samo se dizelasi samozapale na autoputu kad se dpf ili plasticni egr zacepe
@@evclinic pa kakva onda isparenja ima baterija? :))
Dečki, od kad je Bjorn iz 🇨🇿??
Zezamo Bjorna, on je nas prvi put spomenuo u drugom videu da “EV Clinic from Czech republic” 😛
@@evclinic znao sam, da se zezate. A sada ozbiljno pitanje: kako ja kao kupac EV mogu znati, da li ima EV Termal Management (grijanje, hlađenje) baterije? Gdje i kako to mogu saznati? Lično vozim ID 3, 2022 godište, bruto 55 kW baterija. Hvala !
norge/norway
Rapid charging is the problem!
Avoid at all costs!
Some of them doesnt have fastcharging, only AC, but still suffer
@evclinic I am planning to buy nissan leaf 62kwh and only charge it 80% on a 7kw charger. I hope it will last longer. I don't know if the motor and gearbox are reliable. Is just a gamble to be honest with you.
@@fix-and-drive-diy-repairs Even worse shit is that leaf
@evclinic thanks bro, from your experience, which ev is better? I mean the ev you will buy?
@evclinic I guess this means I have to keep driving diesel. Thanks bro.
Perhaps at zero charge, the polarity can change.
What about this code p1AD1
From following Bjorns videos, it seems the Soul is great for urban and in-range trips, but suffers a bit on long trips with multiple rapid charges. I do wonder if all the Souls being seen with damaged batteries have been used for long, high speed trips, as my 2016 has 96.8% SOH at around 65-70,000 KM; and this hasnt dropped in the 2 years, 10-15,000 KM I have put on the car.
(Estimates, as I use miles).
I only make a few out of range trips per year, and cruise at 100KPH, as the brick-like nose causes big drops in efficiency over that speed.
I 100% slow charge once per month at 3KW, to balance the cells, and even a normal home charge, I set my charger to 5.5KW, rather than full power, and to 80% only.
My 27KWh battery has maintained 26.1 KWh of storage over those 2 years, actually gaining nearly 0.5KWh over the initial state I bought it in, as the cells badly needed a balance; my min/max voltage variation is only +/- 0.01volts, and my worst cell has 10.8% degradation.
High speed driving and high speed charging both cause high temperatures, especially in a few banks of the battery pack that are difficult to cool.
These are very good advices, you shared. I've bought my 2016 Soul PSEV almost a year ago with hailstorm damage. The car must have been stored for about 2-3 months without use, before I bought it, as hailstorm damaged the painting at a few spots, which have started to grow a little rost. But the display was showing 151km rage with 14/18 bars of battery charge level, so it looked good enough for me with the 47300km total run.
When I received the Soul, it still had 141km range, so I used it first & then fully charged to 100%, which resulted in a 209km range on the display. It soon turned out, that it doesn't has that capacity any more, & after a Turtle-game on Silvester's night (it was about 3-5 °C) the next full charges resulted in ~180km & later 160km ranges. I only charged with original KIA home charger (10A). Meanwhile I updated the firmware of the mainboard, which resulted in loosing charging point, so my "Nearest charging point" function doesn't work now, although the update process was done flawlessly, without any issues.
I've checked the electric meter to see how much energy does the Soul need during a full charge from Turtle to 100 % & it was 27 kWh. I was happy, until I realized there is about ~10 % loss on the charging process, specially during slow charge (as the default minimum power is used longer by the electric parts), so I accepted that my Soul's soul (he-he...) has probably 90 % SoH.
I've used Quick Charge (CHAdeMO) only 4 times during my 10 000 km run:
1.
date: 31/Dec/2023
charging time: 00:04:45
Energy: 3,02 kWh
Charge level: from ~4 % to 17 %.
Note: This was a strange experience for me, as the possible range jumped up significantly higher after this QC, compared to my latest 17 % SoC level, as the battery got warmed up from the QC process & I presume some forgotten/frozen electrons were resurrected into their lives again, so BMS saw them again as live & possible load.
Later I bought an OBD-BT ataptor & was able to check it:
SoH: was shown as 91% by Soul Spy app.
One I did a slow run on purpose to see the max range of it (max.80 km/h speed on 150 km range, plus some eco urban), which ended up in 179 km real run with 4-5 % leftover meaning the total possible range would be around ~195 km.
2.
date: 29/Jun/2024
charging time: 00:07:20
Energy: 5,3 kWh
Charge level: (not know exaxtly, but it was around 50 % & we got around 19-20 % up to 70 %).
3.
date: 30/Jun/2024
charging time: 00:06:29
Energy: 4,7 kWh
Charge level: (not know exaxtly, but it was around 73 % & we got around 17 % up to 90 %).
At this time, the 100% charged range was slowly going up from 154 km to 157 km.
But then I was on a 2,5 weeks holiday in July & an incredibly hot summer tortured my Soul EV left outside under the sun, even though I left it on purpose with 49 % SoC level, as I read it is the best to store HV batteries on the long run with near 50 % load. (even dealers do the same)
When I got home & needed charged it up again, the next 100 % range was only 141 km. Some cells maybe suffered the extreme HOT weather (36-39°C in shade for a week or so)...
My latest QC was this:
4.
date: 04/Aug/2024
charging time: 00:03:57
Energy: 2,54 kWh
Charge level: from 7 % to 18 %.
SoH: is shown as 86% by Soul Spy currently & my maximum range is about 142-146 km.
I usually drive it in the city, so my (non-winter) use in urban mode is about 12-13 kWh, which is good for a safe 165-170 km range, even though it shows a ~143 km range.
My experience, as discharging the battery:
a) Upper part: from 100 % to 70 % it is good for an extra 0,5 km / 1 km predicted range.
b) middle part: from 70 % to 40 % it is good for an extra 0,3 km / 1 km predicted range.
c) lower part: from 40 % to 10 % it is usually precise.
d) unsafe part: from 10 % to shut down, it is really not reliable; I usually calculate with the half of the displayed range, specially during winter time.
I was thinking about to install 2pcs of (thin) flexible solar panels onto the roof, just to make the maximum out of its flat shaped roof, but I haven't figured it out, how to connect the 12V output of the solar panels into the car's own charger. It's a pity, that only HV battery can charge the 12V normal battery & cannot be the other way around. :)
Do you have an idea?
I'm also about to replace some cells later on, but can you advice a reliable cell supplier to purchase from?
Thank you, my Dear Soul-mates! ;)
@@markn2431 Remember that the range estimate really is just a guess, based on your recent driving history; if you do a battery's worth of high speed driving, the estimate will take that into account and give a reduced range that reflects driving at that speed.
It also makes little/no allowance for regen; which, living in a very hilly area, I get lots of.
The latest software update from Kia does seem to have improved the accuracy of the "Guess 'O Meter" (GOM), and mine has been showing as high as 97 miles for a full charge, whereas all summer, it only ever reached 94 miles; it seems pretty accurate as well at least at no more than 60mph/100kmh; I have done a 74 mile run and still had the expected GOM range remaining.
In in-car charging station system has always been pretty poor - despite having the options to filter by charger type - it continues to display ALL chargers of all types - including private ones you cannot access; and at least one phantom charger locally; instead I used ZapMap and Electroverse mapping systems; which tie into Navi, the satnav program on my phone - which is also far superior to the route planner built into the car.
I have recently bought a cheap 12v battery monitor that sends alerts to my phone - but havent had time to fit it - and I do have a couple of 12v "Intelligent" chargers I can try out (smallest from Lidl/Aldi for not a lot of money.
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Thermal management in that car is complete trash, it depends on luck more than actual design. Horrible, will never get a KIA.
SK cells are trash, thermal air cooling at least doing something. Same pack with LG cells doesnt suffer same destiny