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Jon, I respect your choice not to look up the names of the Link to The Past bosses and thank you for instead using your time to unlock and show us this super cool new dungeon!
Great video as always! I feel like I have to defend that Four Swords has more than a couple of hours of content though. On your first playthrough of the game, you're rewarded with Silver Keys for collecting 1000 Rupees in each main level which unlocks a first version of Vaati's Palace. What might not have been apparent to you is that you can then replay them with a 3000 Rupee target to collect Golden Keys. Finally, if you complete the game a third time while obtaining 5000 Rupees in each level, you can use the Hero's Keys to unlock a final gauntlet version of the last Dungeon which remixes all the other level themes and all four bosses. This is the intended way to collect 10 Medals of Courage and allows you to experience a lot more of the game's semi-random Dungeon layouts.
Tri Force Heroes also had open servers, and connecting to those, you'd end up playing a lot of the same content over and over again. I enjoyed it far more in the little dedicated group I was a part of, but it was tricky to schedule, and we never finished it. I haven't totally given up on it, though.
I played through 4 Swords Anniversary Edition a few times on my DSI and on my 3DS when it rereleased. I looooooved that game. Short but fun, especially for free! Also fun fact, it was my first Zelda game! Weird right? One that barely anybody played was my first Zelda and now here I am having played the vast majority of the titles.
I was once commissioned to make a Wii app that takes an ALTTP savefile, edits it so you've beat the 4 Swords portion of the game, so you have access to the Palace of the Four Sword/riddle sidequest. The idea is you take your GBA with the cart, plug it into the Wii, dump the save, update it, and restore it to the cart. Admittedly, you can do the same with a PC, but it's less fun that way!
Four Swords isnt as short as youre making it out to be. Every area has three difficulties. You have to do at least three playthroughs to get all the levels.
I grabbed the dsiware version when it was free all that time ago; still have it installed too. I feel it may have influenced triforce heroes in the sense, you got three other dummies you can use in place of other humans if you got nobody to play with, which in hindsight, shoulda been available to make use of in the original
I was really lucky in this regard. I got a used copy of A Link to the Past/Four Swords, and by complete chance it was a cartridge where Four Swords was already complete including that 10 medals thing.
in high school, a couple pals of mine had our Link Cables, and we rushed through Four Swords over a lazy Saturday ❤ it was great! and the Riddle Quest it unlocks was fun, and the Palace of the Four Sword vexed me for WEEKS.
I wish you would've talked about the glitch to access the four sword palace from the thieves hideout in ALTTP GBA. If anyone wants to watch it, there's a video of it on TH-cam
There’s a glitch that allows you to enter the Palace of the Four Sword without playing Four Swords. It involves using the mirror while leaping off a ledge in Thieves Town. I had the opportunity to play Four Swords with someone else in GBA, so I unlocked it legitimately. I also have the great spin attack. I also have a second save file with just the main game beaten so I can use the Thieves Town glitch to fight the four initial bosses of the Palace of the Four Sword and then load my original save file to fight the four links. It’s very interesting when you see the item usage of your original save file. I used over 200 fairies, killed around 6,700 monsters, used the Pegasus boots over 2,000 times and maxed out the sword count at 9,999. One of the hardest challenges in Zelda is the Hero’s Trial in Four Swords Anniversary in single player. Virtually impossible. The Realm of Memories is nice though.
Well, Jon, I can name at least two reasons other than Single Player as to why Tri Force Heroes is often treated like rubbish. 1. Region locking! You couldn't play online with people from other regions. 2. Translation! The JP and NoE versions are fine as they are. The NoA version was...much worse; very cringey and meme-laced. 3. They changed it to Toon Link from ALBW Link for no reason, and that combo of w the silly nature of the game made it a not-so-great "sequel" to ALBW. It was kind an afterthought in that regard. That being said of course, modding your 3DS allows one to bypass these previous issues. Pretendo allows for region-free online play, and mods allow you to change how Link's standard tunic and Great Fairy suit to resemble ALBW Link. Although you could also use the Toon Link mod for ALBW too if you wanted to. But either way perhaps we were too harsh on TFH, just like with Zelda II. I thought I lost my copy after replaying ALBW but found it after ordering a new used one, so I'm sending it to my estranged brother in the hopes that we can reconnect through Zelda online.
4:38 I just beat that dungeon, and I did end up perfectly lining up a bomb throw and running past the blue blocks because I didn’t know the Somaria blocks could shoot fireballs! 😂
Crazy that the DSi/eShop version for DSi/3DS was only available for 5 months (also a weekend promotion for a weekend 2 years later). I remember making a 2nd eShop/Nintendo profile so I could have the download on 2 different 3DSes.
Cooooooool. One problem... i don't anyone else who spent the money for the gba online. I wish Nintendo would have just given us the four swords game that also has a solo option
I've been getting into some multiplayer GBA games lately, as I've recently acquired pretty much everything I need for it, 4 GBAs, 3 link cables, my collection of GBA games, and 3 flash carts, just need to get a regular group together.
I was never really able to experience Four Swords or the riddle quest, but at least glitches let me get inside the Palace of the Four Sword so I could play through that!
Triforce Heroes managed to do something I never thought possible: its story was so obnoxious that I actively did not WANT to save the Princess. I wanted her stuck in that brown jumpsuit forever.
More detailed chapters / timestamps: 00:00 Intro animation 00:04 amiibo flicking 00:42 Factor 75 01:43 Introduction 02:05 Four Swords 02:51 Cross-progression 03:15 Palace of the Four Sword 07:13 New credits sequence 08:01 Great Spin Attack 10:54 GBA features 11:51 Four Swords 17:01 Go play Four Swords! 17:42 Hot Take Time 20:06 Extroduction 20:23 Endcards/Credits
Four swords adventures is pretty neat! While it is short to beat the final boss, each area has multiple versions and difficulties. So if you go back after completing vaati, you can tackle a harder version of that area, and unlock a more complete, co-op experience.
I had a friend as a kid who also had LttP on GBA, so we spent a weekend completing Four Swords together and getting 10 medals each. I still have that cart and regularly replay it. I've got my 100% plus extras run to around 8 hours.
The fact that this was re-released on nso brings back alot of memoroes. The main one of four swords I jave is that I played through it by myself. I borrowed a friends cart, linked up mine and my little brothers gbas and played through it on my own controlling two Links. It was a crazy pain in the rear, but was definitely possible.
This was my first Zelda game on GBA. I think I did actually have one friend who I was able to play through Four Swords together with, but never got the Great Spin attack. But I was able to have access to the new dungeon which was pretty cool to play through! I’m glad that with NSO, I’m able to play through Four Swords more with friends and that I’ll finally be able to get the Great Spin attack (eventually at least)
I have done the four swords dungeon once on GBA. My friend also had A Link to the past on GBA but he also had a link cable. And one we were like hey let's connect and go through 4 swords together.
I would never have guessed, or looked up, that a port of one of my favorites games, would have extra features like that. Thanks for the news(oldies now?)
What Triforce Heroes did totally wrong, was the following: - Singleplayer was boring and tedious, and content was locked behind multiplayer anyways. - 1 single experience, with no replayability, no different runs, one way to do everything. Oh and setting the players in a farming mindset. - Only 3 players, not 1 less, not 1 more. - If you have no friends your best option was to play with randoms... which... was a total disaster. People would just dive in an advanced dungeon without knowing the controls, go afk, leave the session (so you can't continue and start over), troll around, be too overpowered... It was really unbalanced and annoying. The fact that the communication was 6 stickers that wouldn't explain anything and requiring specific players to do tasks they wouldn't understand and you couldn't show them... Oh and adding the fact that first month it was already quite abandoned already, you had to wait quite a while to find players at the zone you wanted... and that they didn't quit... To be fair, in Four Swords the same could happen if it let people without communication to play. But as the game has forced to always being playable with local friends, It would be quite rare to experience such a experience. - Complementing the last one, while the clothes giving skills was a really neat idea and cool... In a multiplayer experience were you can get a player that just started and a player who got everything done, either the starting player won't understand anything or the experienced player will get annoyed. - From years of people wanting a modern Four Swords, It didn't ever feel like Four Swords at all. Like they got a brand new team that never looked at notes from the previous Four Swords games, commiting errors at puzzle or boss designs that never happened at Four Swords games, or repeating their mistakes. - I can't deny that for the 9 people who played with friends, who got a 3ds, got Triforce Heroes, got time and most mandatory, met two of the others, the experience could have been much enjoyable and balanced. By the time it released, I had 1 friend that was interested, but we never met a third one so we never got to play together. - Could have been a really great and beloved game with it's ideas it if was never focused to be 3 players exclusive. - I can't really remember if there was a time limit or I just wanted to do everything fast preventing other players to disconnect or stop being cooperative, but I really have the memory of having to rush everything. Four Swords did make exclusive multiplayer puzzles, but not at every single step was "you need the other two to do this totally different action at the same time". Most puzzles were designed for two players, so they weren't that hard to organize everyone, or simply two carrying the game. And the advantages of post game (anniversary) or alttp connectivty weren't that big of a deal, they just were helpful in a cooperative environment.
I'll tell you what I didn't play, I didn't play most of Four Swords because I had no friends to play with back in the day. I did play a little of it with my cousin once, but that was about it.
The only thing that i don't like about tri force heroes is that it force you play it single player or in tree players mode, no option for two players only
I never had the chances to do the riddles back then but I did get to play Four Swords in 2 player mode with a friend back in high school and do the Palace of Four Swords.
this was my first Zelda game ever!! As a little kid I bought it for 4 Swords - and unfortunately learned that you needed someone else with the game and a link cable to play it. I settled for trying A Link to the Past... and I was not prepared to play one of the greatest action/adventure games ever created.
I have, but I only managed to do the pre-reqs only once. I tell you from experience, both attempting to play Four Swords and trading Gen 1-3 Pokemon, those link cables ABSOLUTELY DID NOT want to stay plugged in. I still have my originals (cables _and_ cartridges, actually) and can remember one time a friend and I attempted to go through FS only for accidental jostling to cause CONSTANT communication errors (this experience still causes me to dislike multiplayer in general). But persistence eventually won out and I was able to access all the extra ALttP content. I believe I still have the same save file on that cartridge but knowing how GBA save batteries tend to die after so long I'm sure it won't last much longer. Also, don't know who needs to hear (read) it, but FOUR SWORDS GBA AND FOUR SWORDS ADVENTURES ON GAMECUBE ARE TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GAMES. I get the pack-in thing and the multiplayer-only thing caused fewer people to play it and therefore made it more obscure (and apparently the GC title didn't sell that well on top of that?), but they've got different plots, items, _titles,_ etc., and it's not like it's hard to find Zelda information.
I actually did play the Four Swords content of ALTTP&FS! I barely remember it and the accompanying content it unlocked in ALTTP, but I kinda remember a basket and the boss fight of the bonus dungeon.
I had alttp and four swords on gba never could play the online as well but i figured out how to glitch into the four swords dungeon from theives town dungeon
Interesting how four swords came before minish cap! I think its great to be able to play a zelda with friends.. my friends arent gamers so they would never play.. looks good though i bet its fun
This was a lovely video! I do hope Four Swords Adventures is ported/emulated to Switch or its successor someday. It would be nice to have a way to play it ut without having four Gameboy Advances.
Challenge accepted Jon! Thanks to this video, Four Swords will now be my litmus test for love XD Honestly, it's pretty rare to meet classic game fans here in Australia in general. So if I met a girl who wanted to play multiplayer Zelda, chances are she could be the one =) In all seriousness, though, I love these videos that dig into obscure content in games. I watched that Four Swords opening cutscene a million times as a kid haha, so it's interesting to finally some of the stuff I missed. Your writing, delivery, and humour are always on point - thanks Jon!
Regarding your hot take, absolutely agreed! My partner, our friend and I had weekly TFH sessions a few months back, we beat it just before the online services shut down. Super fun experience, looking forward to playing Four Swords with the same squad.
You didn't really need cane of somaria for that puzzle, you could also do it with timed bomb on the conveyor belt (I think that was the intended solution because of the presence of the conveyor belt.
When you played through vaati's palace, did you go back to the other levels to get the gold keys? The epic keys are the hardest but most fun, speedrunning to get a lot of rupees is hella fun
Yeah, I got the hero’s keys and beat the true final level. Guessing Jon didn’t do that, though it’s not required for any unlocks in ALttP as long as you get 10 medals and beat the game once with the first set of keys. You can also unlock the Hurricane Spin Attack and Sword beam in Four Swords by playing ALttP and unlocking those in that game, making Four Swords even a little bit better.
I still have GBA cart. Two of them actually. And 2 GBAs. And link cable. But getting more players was almost impossible. Was able to reach the bonus dungeon though.
Hindsight being 20/20: I think Four Swords Adventures should have been bundled with Four Swords, using The Minish Cap graphics, and have it release for the DS instead. I mean, the graphics of FSA is greater than FS or TMC, but it didn't have to be if it meant for Zelda fans to have a fun online multiplayer game. Tri Force Heroes came too late. I have played FSA, I never played FS or TFH. Them being short games did deter me from buying them. Let's say in a perfect world, FS/FSA/and TMC should have been one game. TMC if you're playing a solo game, and FSA + FS with TMC plot points if you're playing multiplayer
Back in the day I had to learn a glitch to enter the dungeon without playing Four Swords (it's too complicated to explain but if you've seen speedruns of the game, you can imagine what they do). I'll try it on NSO soon. I'm not sure if my current internet connection allows me to play NSO with others which is sad to think about lol
It was not the lack of people that i never finished Triforce Heroues, it was the lack of 3DSs and Triforce modules. I would really love a Switch port that you can play in front of your TV...
Jon will play Four Swords with me?! OH NO! No for real. I'd love to play Four Swords. XD I honestly love both Four Swords games a lot. Four Swords Adventures had that crazy fun battle mode that I wish I got to experience with four people more.
4 swords ? the problem with gba multiplayer was that nobody had the cables and if someone did they only cared about Pokémon and nothing else. but with the ds generation i got to play more multiplayer with my friends because it was wireless and had download play for those that didn't own the same games as you.
Nintendo didn't announce an Earthbound remake. unless they announce something in the next couple months, are you ready to roll around in the grass come November?
I played FSA with 2 others and GBA cables on my Wii back in the day, but never tried Four Swords. I have the game on my 3DS, so I guess I should give it a go, but it will be solo this time and probably not as fun becaue of that fact lol
that's cool, but i never have any friends or brothers with multi-gameboy advance only one, so i could only experience "a link to the past" like i do on the snes version.
I remember going in that door so many times and trying so hard to figure out how to gain access and never made it I still don't think I can get 3 people to play 4 swords but I'm hoping Nintendo does one of those special releases so it's already unlocked
If you're not above using glitches, it's actually not too hard to get inside by going out of bounds in Thieves' Town. The Palace of the Four Sword was placed pretty close to TT in the overall dungeon 'map' so you only have to walk through a few screens to reach it!
I just assumed that to play four swords on the Game Boy Vance you needed the game cube version if you don’t need the GameCube version, then what’s the point of having it?
Just yesterday, I finished a 100% Death-less run of ALTTP GBA, death-less for the first time thanks to rewind. Now I just need to find a friend or 3 so I can play Four Swords.
What's more fun is doing it in the SNES version, additionally without ever saving. Ends up kinda glitching the game when you try to reload the file after the credits!
Even beyond the Four Swords content, A Link to the Past GBA is just a better version to play. They reworked Link's sprites and Hurt boxes for the sword attacks to have a better reach along with a swing that more so emulates the Gameboy version of 2D Link's sword swings. It's not something you realise unless you play them back to back, but it makes a huge difference.
Tri Force Heroes I disliked because of the mission structure. It felt like I was playing dungeon minigames not a big adventure together like four swords adventure. I had the same group (minus our purple link) and we just really didn't like the fact it had a dodgy lobby system and missions rather than the vibe of local co-op.
I kinda wish I could play Hero's Trials or Realm of Memories from the anniversary edition in 4 player now. Actually did do Four Swords and LTTP at the time, if only 2 player and lemme tell you, Triforce Heroes with 3 people is still the worst thing to grace the Zelda series to me. It's just way too focused on constant cooperation to the point you can't breathe and bringing newer people only makes that worse compared to the Four Swords games. And that's not getting into the Drablands challenges and material grinding. 1 player just felt like straight torture and made some Drablands challenges seem nearly impossible.
I never beat the GBA version of this game because the addition of the voice clips to Link swinging his sword and fallimg were abso-effing-lutely obnoxious on the original GBA's speaker
Find some kind of solution to do this so they don't fall over on their sides Jon, then stand all your Amibo's on their heads, base in the air. No exceptions.
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I think the four of us should go to Scotland and hunt Nessie together next. It was a pleasure being a part of the adventure!!
Jon, I respect your choice not to look up the names of the Link to The Past bosses and thank you for instead using your time to unlock and show us this super cool new dungeon!
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Great video as always! I feel like I have to defend that Four Swords has more than a couple of hours of content though. On your first playthrough of the game, you're rewarded with Silver Keys for collecting 1000 Rupees in each main level which unlocks a first version of Vaati's Palace. What might not have been apparent to you is that you can then replay them with a 3000 Rupee target to collect Golden Keys. Finally, if you complete the game a third time while obtaining 5000 Rupees in each level, you can use the Hero's Keys to unlock a final gauntlet version of the last Dungeon which remixes all the other level themes and all four bosses.
This is the intended way to collect 10 Medals of Courage and allows you to experience a lot more of the game's semi-random Dungeon layouts.
huh! what do you know
How dumb. The point of zelda is not collecting rupees. What a weird captilistic way to train kids to be consumers.
Tri Force Heroes also had open servers, and connecting to those, you'd end up playing a lot of the same content over and over again. I enjoyed it far more in the little dedicated group I was a part of, but it was tricky to schedule, and we never finished it. I haven't totally given up on it, though.
I played through 4 Swords Anniversary Edition a few times on my DSI and on my 3DS when it rereleased. I looooooved that game. Short but fun, especially for free! Also fun fact, it was my first Zelda game! Weird right? One that barely anybody played was my first Zelda and now here I am having played the vast majority of the titles.
i once saw a bug, cause i was in the sky level but a friend i used to hang out with was in the volcano level. if only i recorded it
It was my first Zelda too! Loved playing the anniversary edition with my brother and throwing each other down pits haha
I was once commissioned to make a Wii app that takes an ALTTP savefile, edits it so you've beat the 4 Swords portion of the game, so you have access to the Palace of the Four Sword/riddle sidequest.
The idea is you take your GBA with the cart, plug it into the Wii, dump the save, update it, and restore it to the cart.
Admittedly, you can do the same with a PC, but it's less fun that way!
Got a backup of it anywhere?
@@jamstoastid like to know too
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Never would've expected you to comment here, but I agree!
Four Swords isnt as short as youre making it out to be. Every area has three difficulties. You have to do at least three playthroughs to get all the levels.
Plus Vattie Palaces because a massive gaulent by the final difficulty of it.
I grabbed the dsiware version when it was free all that time ago; still have it installed too. I feel it may have influenced triforce heroes in the sense, you got three other dummies you can use in place of other humans if you got nobody to play with, which in hindsight, shoulda been available to make use of in the original
You only get the green and red actually, as game is two to 4 players, the DSi version let you play alone with the minimum number of Links possible.
I was really lucky in this regard. I got a used copy of A Link to the Past/Four Swords, and by complete chance it was a cartridge where Four Swords was already complete including that 10 medals thing.
in high school, a couple pals of mine had our Link Cables, and we rushed through Four Swords over a lazy Saturday ❤
it was great! and the Riddle Quest it unlocks was fun, and the Palace of the Four Sword vexed me for WEEKS.
I have the same story! I had 3 friends and we all had the game and played on our lunch hour at school!
I also had Link Cables and no friends 😢
_Link_ cables...
😂
@@JorgeLopez-qj8pu Skill issue.
I have actually played this dungeon but I had to glitch my way in with the exploration glitch because I never had three friends who owned the game
You only need one friend actually, but the more the better
@@Mari_Izu Really? I see, well, I didn't even have one friend who owned the game 😢
Yup, this is exactly what I ended up doing as well. It does nothing to unlock the riddles, but at least I got to play through the dungeon!
@@MLennholm That's unfortunate
I wish you would've talked about the glitch to access the four sword palace from the thieves hideout in ALTTP GBA. If anyone wants to watch it, there's a video of it on TH-cam
There’s a glitch that allows you to enter the Palace of the Four Sword without playing Four Swords. It involves using the mirror while leaping off a ledge in Thieves Town.
I had the opportunity to play Four Swords with someone else in GBA, so I unlocked it legitimately. I also have the great spin attack. I also have a second save file with just the main game beaten so I can use the Thieves Town glitch to fight the four initial bosses of the Palace of the Four Sword and then load my original save file to fight the four links.
It’s very interesting when you see the item usage of your original save file. I used over 200 fairies, killed around 6,700 monsters, used the Pegasus boots over 2,000 times and maxed out the sword count at 9,999.
One of the hardest challenges in Zelda is the Hero’s Trial in Four Swords Anniversary in single player. Virtually impossible. The Realm of Memories is nice though.
Well, Jon, I can name at least two reasons other than Single Player as to why Tri Force Heroes is often treated like rubbish.
1. Region locking! You couldn't play online with people from other regions.
2. Translation! The JP and NoE versions are fine as they are. The NoA version was...much worse; very cringey and meme-laced.
3. They changed it to Toon Link from ALBW Link for no reason, and that combo of w the silly nature of the game made it a not-so-great "sequel" to ALBW. It was kind an afterthought in that regard.
That being said of course, modding your 3DS allows one to bypass these previous issues. Pretendo allows for region-free online play, and mods allow you to change how Link's standard tunic and Great Fairy suit to resemble ALBW Link. Although you could also use the Toon Link mod for ALBW too if you wanted to. But either way perhaps we were too harsh on TFH, just like with Zelda II.
I thought I lost my copy after replaying ALBW but found it after ordering a new used one, so I'm sending it to my estranged brother in the hopes that we can reconnect through Zelda online.
Every time i look at a video of yours im praying for it to be a Jon video. I got lucky this night. Thanks a bunch Mr Cartwright.
4:38 I just beat that dungeon, and I did end up perfectly lining up a bomb throw and running past the blue blocks because I didn’t know the Somaria blocks could shoot fireballs! 😂
I had a blast with Triforce Heroes when I played with a ton of my friends at school
Can't wait for the Jon Monkey Ball video
Don’t threaten me with a good time. Surely that’s already been said right?
Jon, you gotta play it three times to unlock the Hero's Keys and the final ultra-long version of Vaati's Palace.
You can use magic powder on the statues you get from the riddles.
Crazy that the DSi/eShop version for DSi/3DS was only available for 5 months (also a weekend promotion for a weekend 2 years later). I remember making a 2nd eShop/Nintendo profile so I could have the download on 2 different 3DSes.
Cooooooool.
One problem... i don't anyone else who spent the money for the gba online.
I wish Nintendo would have just given us the four swords game that also has a solo option
I've been getting into some multiplayer GBA games lately, as I've recently acquired pretty much everything I need for it, 4 GBAs, 3 link cables, my collection of GBA games, and 3 flash carts, just need to get a regular group together.
I was never really able to experience Four Swords or the riddle quest, but at least glitches let me get inside the Palace of the Four Sword so I could play through that!
Triforce Heroes managed to do something I never thought possible: its story was so obnoxious that I actively did not WANT to save the Princess. I wanted her stuck in that brown jumpsuit forever.
More detailed chapters / timestamps:
00:00 Intro animation
00:04 amiibo flicking
00:42 Factor 75
01:43 Introduction
02:05 Four Swords
02:51 Cross-progression
03:15 Palace of the Four Sword
07:13 New credits sequence
08:01 Great Spin Attack
10:54 GBA features
11:51 Four Swords
17:01 Go play Four Swords!
17:42 Hot Take Time
20:06 Extroduction
20:23 Endcards/Credits
Four swords adventures is pretty neat! While it is short to beat the final boss, each area has multiple versions and difficulties. So if you go back after completing vaati, you can tackle a harder version of that area, and unlock a more complete, co-op experience.
I had a friend as a kid who also had LttP on GBA, so we spent a weekend completing Four Swords together and getting 10 medals each. I still have that cart and regularly replay it. I've got my 100% plus extras run to around 8 hours.
I played the Palace of the Four Sword back in the day by breaking in using glitches. I wasn't able to get the Hurricane Spin Attack, though.
The fact that this was re-released on nso brings back alot of memoroes. The main one of four swords I jave is that I played through it by myself.
I borrowed a friends cart, linked up mine and my little brothers gbas and played through it on my own controlling two Links. It was a crazy pain in the rear, but was definitely possible.
Amazing video Jonathan, but what about the anniversary and challenge levels in the DSi version?
This was my first Zelda game on GBA.
I think I did actually have one friend who I was able to play through Four Swords together with, but never got the Great Spin attack.
But I was able to have access to the new dungeon which was pretty cool to play through!
I’m glad that with NSO, I’m able to play through Four Swords more with friends and that I’ll finally be able to get the Great Spin attack (eventually at least)
I grew up with that version.
Didn't even know it was a SNES Game as a kid. (Grew up with SNES)
18:14 Probably because they got rid of purple Link. That's the only thing I can think of.
I have done the four swords dungeon once on GBA. My friend also had A Link to the past on GBA but he also had a link cable. And one we were like hey let's connect and go through 4 swords together.
I would never have guessed, or looked up, that a port of one of my favorites games, would have extra features like that. Thanks for the news(oldies now?)
What Triforce Heroes did totally wrong, was the following:
- Singleplayer was boring and tedious, and content was locked behind multiplayer anyways.
- 1 single experience, with no replayability, no different runs, one way to do everything. Oh and setting the players in a farming mindset.
- Only 3 players, not 1 less, not 1 more.
- If you have no friends your best option was to play with randoms... which... was a total disaster. People would just dive in an advanced dungeon without knowing the controls, go afk, leave the session (so you can't continue and start over), troll around, be too overpowered... It was really unbalanced and annoying. The fact that the communication was 6 stickers that wouldn't explain anything and requiring specific players to do tasks they wouldn't understand and you couldn't show them...
Oh and adding the fact that first month it was already quite abandoned already, you had to wait quite a while to find players at the zone you wanted... and that they didn't quit...
To be fair, in Four Swords the same could happen if it let people without communication to play. But as the game has forced to always being playable with local friends, It would be quite rare to experience such a experience.
- Complementing the last one, while the clothes giving skills was a really neat idea and cool... In a multiplayer experience were you can get a player that just started and a player who got everything done, either the starting player won't understand anything or the experienced player will get annoyed.
- From years of people wanting a modern Four Swords, It didn't ever feel like Four Swords at all. Like they got a brand new team that never looked at notes from the previous Four Swords games, commiting errors at puzzle or boss designs that never happened at Four Swords games, or repeating their mistakes.
- I can't deny that for the 9 people who played with friends, who got a 3ds, got Triforce Heroes, got time and most mandatory, met two of the others, the experience could have been much enjoyable and balanced. By the time it released, I had 1 friend that was interested, but we never met a third one so we never got to play together.
- Could have been a really great and beloved game with it's ideas it if was never focused to be 3 players exclusive.
- I can't really remember if there was a time limit or I just wanted to do everything fast preventing other players to disconnect or stop being cooperative, but I really have the memory of having to rush everything.
Four Swords did make exclusive multiplayer puzzles, but not at every single step was "you need the other two to do this totally different action at the same time". Most puzzles were designed for two players, so they weren't that hard to organize everyone, or simply two carrying the game. And the advantages of post game (anniversary) or alttp connectivty weren't that big of a deal, they just were helpful in a cooperative environment.
I have fond memories of playing this game on original hardware with my best friend when we were in high school. It was great.
I'll tell you what I didn't play, I didn't play most of Four Swords because I had no friends to play with back in the day. I did play a little of it with my cousin once, but that was about it.
The only thing that i don't like about tri force heroes is that it force you play it single player or in tree players mode, no option for two players only
Yes, that was SO aggravating.
I never had the chances to do the riddles back then but I did get to play Four Swords in 2 player mode with a friend back in high school and do the Palace of Four Swords.
this was my first Zelda game ever!! As a little kid I bought it for 4 Swords - and unfortunately learned that you needed someone else with the game and a link cable to play it. I settled for trying A Link to the Past... and I was not prepared to play one of the greatest action/adventure games ever created.
I have, but I only managed to do the pre-reqs only once. I tell you from experience, both attempting to play Four Swords and trading Gen 1-3 Pokemon, those link cables ABSOLUTELY DID NOT want to stay plugged in. I still have my originals (cables _and_ cartridges, actually) and can remember one time a friend and I attempted to go through FS only for accidental jostling to cause CONSTANT communication errors (this experience still causes me to dislike multiplayer in general). But persistence eventually won out and I was able to access all the extra ALttP content. I believe I still have the same save file on that cartridge but knowing how GBA save batteries tend to die after so long I'm sure it won't last much longer.
Also, don't know who needs to hear (read) it, but FOUR SWORDS GBA AND FOUR SWORDS ADVENTURES ON GAMECUBE ARE TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GAMES. I get the pack-in thing and the multiplayer-only thing caused fewer people to play it and therefore made it more obscure (and apparently the GC title didn't sell that well on top of that?), but they've got different plots, items, _titles,_ etc., and it's not like it's hard to find Zelda information.
I actually did play the Four Swords content of ALTTP&FS! I barely remember it and the accompanying content it unlocked in ALTTP, but I kinda remember a basket and the boss fight of the bonus dungeon.
I had alttp and four swords on gba never could play the online as well but i figured out how to glitch into the four swords dungeon from theives town dungeon
The lizard guy with a mask. All those zelda books and we can't get proper names lol great video sir cheers from USA
Four Swords Adventure on GameCube kicks ass too
Interesting how four swords came before minish cap! I think its great to be able to play a zelda with friends.. my friends arent gamers so they would never play.. looks good though i bet its fun
This was a lovely video! I do hope Four Swords Adventures is ported/emulated to Switch or its successor someday. It would be nice to have a way to play it ut without having four Gameboy Advances.
Challenge accepted Jon! Thanks to this video, Four Swords will now be my litmus test for love XD Honestly, it's pretty rare to meet classic game fans here in Australia in general. So if I met a girl who wanted to play multiplayer Zelda, chances are she could be the one =)
In all seriousness, though, I love these videos that dig into obscure content in games. I watched that Four Swords opening cutscene a million times as a kid haha, so it's interesting to finally some of the stuff I missed. Your writing, delivery, and humour are always on point - thanks Jon!
The great spin attack! My beloved from the DS games😂 I had no idea it originated here, I was not expecting to learn that today!
4 swords anniversary edition was my first zelda game, i've played the single player version so much.
I love both Four Swords and Triforce Heroes. ❤❤❤
I’ll never be able to play four swords even with NSO LMAO
Regarding your hot take, absolutely agreed! My partner, our friend and I had weekly TFH sessions a few months back, we beat it just before the online services shut down.
Super fun experience, looking forward to playing Four Swords with the same squad.
I played Four Swords with some friends back in 6th grade and I’m 33 now. I still have my cartridge with the hurricane blade unlocked!
I’m so happy! I never knew this existed! Can’t wait to tell my friends about it. Maybe they’ll play with me.
You didn't really need cane of somaria for that puzzle, you could also do it with timed bomb on the conveyor belt (I think that was the intended solution because of the presence of the conveyor belt.
I just realized this dude has a vib ribbon copy that's awesome
When you played through vaati's palace, did you go back to the other levels to get the gold keys?
The epic keys are the hardest but most fun, speedrunning to get a lot of rupees is hella fun
Yeah, I got the hero’s keys and beat the true final level. Guessing Jon didn’t do that, though it’s not required for any unlocks in ALttP as long as you get 10 medals and beat the game once with the first set of keys.
You can also unlock the Hurricane Spin Attack and Sword beam in Four Swords by playing ALttP and unlocking those in that game, making Four Swords even a little bit better.
An other QOL feature is any door you go through is your respawn point when you save the game.
i love this version. I played this version in parallel with the original SNES version when i was a pre teen
I still have GBA cart. Two of them actually. And 2 GBAs. And link cable. But getting more players was almost impossible. Was able to reach the bonus dungeon though.
Maybe you should move Ganondorf to the side so everyone can see him in his toppled glory.
Hindsight being 20/20: I think Four Swords Adventures should have been bundled with Four Swords, using The Minish Cap graphics, and have it release for the DS instead.
I mean, the graphics of FSA is greater than FS or TMC, but it didn't have to be if it meant for Zelda fans to have a fun online multiplayer game. Tri Force Heroes came too late.
I have played FSA, I never played FS or TFH. Them being short games did deter me from buying them.
Let's say in a perfect world, FS/FSA/and TMC should have been one game. TMC if you're playing a solo game, and FSA + FS with TMC plot points if you're playing multiplayer
Back in the day I had to learn a glitch to enter the dungeon without playing Four Swords (it's too complicated to explain but if you've seen speedruns of the game, you can imagine what they do). I'll try it on NSO soon. I'm not sure if my current internet connection allows me to play NSO with others which is sad to think about lol
I heard about the new dungeon in that version, but never got to play it. lol
It was not the lack of people that i never finished Triforce Heroues, it was the lack of 3DSs and Triforce modules.
I would really love a Switch port that you can play in front of your TV...
I’m looking for friends to play these games with please!
I just glitched my way into the palace of the four sword and beat it. I do want those 10 medals though
79 bombs used seems like a very small number for a play through
Jon will play Four Swords with me?!
OH NO!
No for real.
I'd love to play Four Swords. XD
I honestly love both Four Swords games a lot.
Four Swords Adventures had that crazy fun battle mode that I wish I got to experience with four people more.
4 swords ? the problem with gba multiplayer was that nobody had the cables and if someone did they only cared about Pokémon and nothing else. but with the ds generation i got to play more multiplayer with my friends because it was wireless and had download play for those that didn't own the same games as you.
LOOK WHAT YOU`VE DONE???? Let amiibo`s rest!
Look people, look! THIS is the face of a successful audio book narrator!
Nintendo didn't announce an Earthbound remake. unless they announce something in the next couple months, are you ready to roll around in the grass come November?
Can we do a new patreon tier where you get to play four swords with Jon?
I played FSA with 2 others and GBA cables on my Wii back in the day, but never tried Four Swords. I have the game on my 3DS, so I guess I should give it a go, but it will be solo this time and probably not as fun becaue of that fact lol
i used Action Replay to unlock the dungeon
I played Four Swords with friends during my middle school years. 😔
that's cool, but i never have any friends or brothers with multi-gameboy advance only one, so i could only experience "a link to the past" like i do on the snes version.
I remember going in that door so many times and trying so hard to figure out how to gain access and never made it
I still don't think I can get 3 people to play 4 swords but I'm hoping Nintendo does one of those special releases so it's already unlocked
If you're not above using glitches, it's actually not too hard to get inside by going out of bounds in Thieves' Town. The Palace of the Four Sword was placed pretty close to TT in the overall dungeon 'map' so you only have to walk through a few screens to reach it!
I just assumed that to play four swords on the Game Boy Vance you needed the game cube version if you don’t need the GameCube version, then what’s the point of having it?
Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures are different games
Just yesterday, I finished a 100% Death-less run of ALTTP GBA, death-less for the first time thanks to rewind. Now I just need to find a friend or 3 so I can play Four Swords.
What's more fun is doing it in the SNES version, additionally without ever saving. Ends up kinda glitching the game when you try to reload the file after the credits!
Even beyond the Four Swords content, A Link to the Past GBA is just a better version to play. They reworked Link's sprites and Hurt boxes for the sword attacks to have a better reach along with a swing that more so emulates the Gameboy version of 2D Link's sword swings. It's not something you realise unless you play them back to back, but it makes a huge difference.
Tri Force Heroes I disliked because of the mission structure. It felt like I was playing dungeon minigames not a big adventure together like four swords adventure. I had the same group (minus our purple link) and we just really didn't like the fact it had a dodgy lobby system and missions rather than the vibe of local co-op.
Crazy how I know it's a John video just from the title haha
I kinda wish I could play Hero's Trials or Realm of Memories from the anniversary edition in 4 player now. Actually did do Four Swords and LTTP at the time, if only 2 player and lemme tell you, Triforce Heroes with 3 people is still the worst thing to grace the Zelda series to me.
It's just way too focused on constant cooperation to the point you can't breathe and bringing newer people only makes that worse compared to the Four Swords games. And that's not getting into the Drablands challenges and material grinding. 1 player just felt like straight torture and made some Drablands challenges seem nearly impossible.
You need to use Bombos more!
I will never understand why people hate Triforce Heroes so much. It's phenomenal in my opinion. One of the best multiplayer games.
I never beat the GBA version of this game because the addition of the voice clips to Link swinging his sword and fallimg were abso-effing-lutely obnoxious on the original GBA's speaker
Do you guys recommend the SNES or GBA version of ALTTP?
I loved four sword on the ds, but I never even beat it.
Find some kind of solution to do this so they don't fall over on their sides Jon, then stand all your Amibo's on their heads, base in the air. No exceptions.
I love those games!
I did not find the singleplayer of Aniversary Edition annoying....
But I hate the singleplayer of Triforce Heroes