We're in gen 4.5 and I'm tired of the whole gen 5 forced discussions by newer kpop fans who have no idea what they're talking about. They don't know what MNET is and what their problematic history is. Please get educated on it if you haven't yet 🙏 Please listen to older fans on how kpop gen changes truly work. Don't just wish/demand for a gen change. It doesn't work like that, because you felt creative/quirky.
This exactly. At most, I think we're at a 4.5 mostly because the likes of NWJNS and IVE don't feel the same as ITZY and (G)-IDLE. I can't really explain it any other way but the vibes are very different but not as different to be 5th Gen
Exactly. I don’t think we can just call this a new generation in kpop. Especially right NOW? Like I’m a bit confused there needs to be a lot more time before we can call any of this 5th gen. I know for sure it’s on its way. But it will take a few years. What’s the rush?
I stan a lot of groups and there I groups I follow, which I would not be interested in if my bias left and that is a fact. If other members from these groups do solo activities I do not care. I honestly think solo staning is okay although it is always sad to see that some members are more popular. But the fans are not obligated to consume every content. It however (obviously) is not okay to bring the other members of a group or any other idols down or talk badly about them.
I feel like we're in 4.5 with New Jeans, IVE, Billie (maybe xikers as well, since they don't really resemble most 4th gen boy groups) etc. because they don't feel like 4th gen but they don't necessarily feel like 5th gen either (to me at least). Or they could be on the cusp of the generation change (kind of like how The Boyz are they don't *feel* 3rd gen or 4th gen to me, but they definitely could be 3.5 gen). That's just my opinion though don't come for me.
Non-toxic Solo stanning for me is when you like a groups music and really like one member, but aren't interested enough in the group as a whole to get to know the other members. For example i used to solo stan Soyeon, i liked gidles music and would watch performaces to see Soyeon, but didn't really pay much attention to the other members. Funnily after eventually getting to know the group more, my bias is now actually Yuqi. XD
This happened to me when I started stanning blackpink, by bias was lisa but now it's rosé ,sometimes I am confused if my bias ot4 or just one😂, I used to think Joshua is my bias in enhypen but it's heesung eventually 😭😭 this happens to me everytime 😂😂 actually when you start stanning a group without a toxic mindset you might come to like more than one member or maybe all the members sometimes
@@WonyoungcodesAbsolutely agree, the toxic mindset is what brings the issues. I don't know Enhypen very well, but I just came across a MV teaser for their upcoming comeback, and it looks really cool!
Of course it's ok. You choose who you Stan. It's needless to follow the crowd and stan idol you don't even love. Just because there are toxic solo stans doesn't cancel the fact that there are good solo stans. Just like there good and toxic OTX fans.
I do believe we are at the start of 5th gen, or at least in a transitional period between 4th and 5th gen There has been an influx of new groups, IVE, Lesserafim, fifty-fifty, NMIX and especially NewJeans that feel new and different from 4th gen groups like itzy and straykids
@@tillie_brn for me ateez and skz were kinda 3.5, we were well into 4th gen when itzy debuted, it's been 5 years so I'll either wait 2 more before I start calling anybody 5th gen, or wait until there's a change big enough to realize 4th gen has ended.
Unless something else happens in the second half of the year, I think this could be the peak of 4th gen. Groups like SKZ, aespa, IVE, NWJNS, FIFTY-FIFTY and so on constantly breaking records, gaining brand deals and more and more popularity. I do think we're in a 4.5 at most
I feel like in Soul's case, it makes sense if he overdances and goes all out in his dance break( going all out in a dance break just makes sense, especially if we're talking about the one in scared). The guy barely gets lines, so the only way for him to stand out is killing the dance break or going hard in the choreo, so I don't blame him for that.
I absolutely looooove soul I wish he’d get more lines tbh he has such a soothing voice, but Ron the only thing he can do to stand out (other than his personality in their vids) is overdancing, I feel like those little over dancing minutes are really catchy because he also looks like he really enjoys them and has such a good vibe
i'm a solo stan specially Wonyoung solo stan fan like you and it's okay, we don't have to make excuse about that or to be shame for that! Like said, it's okay if we don't bully others members, i have no problem with others members of Ive at all, just preference and Wonyoung has to face so much hate for doing nothing wrong
4th gen recent few years just been a rat race of who is the leader. every comebacks instead of being appreciated is just taken as a mile in that race.. we don't have to have a leader. and 4th gen is too saturated that companies r starting 5th gen agenda to not be counted in the container that's saturated with groups and records, rather a new container that's empty enough for more noice.
Tbh, i don't think the whole generation discourse is as black and white as most fans are making it. We've seen how long the past generations have lasted but also how much the K-pop industry has changed, especially with the market expanding towards the west, and i think many people fail to see how it seems as though 4th gen hasn't really run its course because of the pandemic! We've kinda been stuck these past 2 to 3 years, and so has the industry. Taking a whole two years away from 4th gen groups definitely has influenced our perception of the consumption of the media they've given us, but it's kinda been 5 ish years since it began. I think 4th gen is quite varied and breaking away from a mold, so it's hard to pinpoint where 4th ends & 5th starts, so I kinda agree that there have been 2.5-3.5-4.5 eras. I just don't think they're always fixed to a certain amount of years
I love how Angelina only jokes like 10% to be disappointed every time Audrey don't know a 2ne1 song. You can see it in her eyes, there sits the stan and calling for murder 😂
@@moluccensis no problem ; you're so underratedd btw, like some people (which i know bcz of the comments) don't like you because of the facts that you're spitting , but facts are facts like ... 😭
i think a good example of someone who doesn’t overdance nor ever put 100% energy into dancing is krystal, she’ll usually put just the perfect amount of energy and thus feel consistent
I think because of the pandemic 4th gen haven't had a chance to do anything that would make them stand out from other generations. They haven't been able to 'peak' yet if you know what I mean. Plus mnet, zb1 stans and babymonster stans are only saying that we are in 5th gen because they want to be able to give their favs titles like 5th gen it boy/girl or 5th gen leaders to make them seem special and better than other kpop groups even though they haven't even debuted yet
Ça fait quelques mois que je te suis sur TikTok et c'est la première fois que je viens sur ton TH-cam. My jaw dropped quand j'ai entendu Audrey dire "déjà vu" et réalisé que vous êtes Québécoises. Go girl!
I honestly loved hearing the “explicit version” of money as a surprise watching the Coachella livestream, I feel like certain idols have so much fun swearing so they should be allowed when they can 😂 on the other hand I don’t think this version needs to be released separately esp as it’s a bit repetitive vs the kinda goofy lyrics about yummy bread lmao, just a fun “Easter egg” like angelina said ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Opinion about 5th gen: only reason company want their groups to be 5th gen is so that they can be the first one to get achievements like: first fith gen group to win this and that or highest sale is fifth gen so far. Recently so an argument about why 4th gen felt short because there are so 3rd gen groups still dominating so that didn't get the place to shine but who made the rules that they have to do that to make it easier for their direct competition just because its their gen right now
Musically if you like Izone concept how do you not like Ive's concept? You probably just like the people better than the music. Personally I liked Izone members more than their music but I love everything about Ive.
that is my exact opinion on kep1er, I love the girls because every single one is sooo talented, but I hate their music and its just not worth it to stan them if they're gonna disband in like a year...
Hi Angelina have you seen the Jennie and V video in Paris? Please talk about it, I love watching your content and hearing your opinions on things related to kpop and what you think about the whole situation with blinks and armys saying it's fake and others saying it's real
As an American, I had never heard of qanon before the Chaeyoung controversy. However, I will say that if a person was hired to know stuff, they should know how many different countries would view it. It would be like a historian, of sorts. Not just a manager who's read some books. If that makes sense.
I agree with the over dancing btw gkfkkfkf I'd rather have someone dancing 75% but detailed than 200% and be messy. 100% is the best ig. 75% might be the best if you have difficulties with small details or if it's a difficult song to sing. Balance is soooo important 😭 "Good dancing" (imo and most proffesionals I've heard) usually isn't 100% power. It usually has slow moments too to balance it or something I feel like 4th gen started around 2019. Somewhere there. Txt, itzy, everglow, oneus and more debuted 2019 but I have to say that it's not only about who debuted when. Gidle debuted 2018 and I feel like they're kinda between 3rd and 4th gen. NCT debuted 2016 but I feel like they've been pretty relevant so it has kinda felt like 4th gen even tho they're like 3rd gen or something. I do see that SM seems to struggle with nct lately tho I googled and it said that 4th gen started 18 or 19 and I agree with that but as I said some groups fit pretty well in the early 4th gen even tho they debuted as late 3rd gen groups With 5th gen idk... It's hard to tell if this is the big change into a new generation or if it's just trends. We'll see in the future I guess 🫶🏼
I always thought that generations started and ended around the time the big 3 debut their next generation of groups and by that, all 3 have to have debuted a group. And yg has yet to have a gg for 4th gen.
Really interesting discussion on the mnet survival show groups. A perfect world would be the girls could do LSF, IVE, IZ*ONE, and Solos. I agree on the point that I would sacrifice all the post I.O.I groups/solos (maybe not Pristin idk) to bring back I.O.I. Unfortunately I don’t follow much of Kep1er so I don’t have a very strong opinion about them.
I'm glad to hear you guys agree about the solo stan stuff. I'm personally not, but I really don't care if someone is as long as they aren't trashing the other members. I just hate the whole mindset that you have to bring someone down to lift another up.... it's so annoying and close-minded.
Still 4th generation as far as I'm concerned. Besides, what difference would it make what generation KPOP is in. They all compete against each other anyway in the music industry.
36:56 Nooo, Jennie released You and Me as something to perform for the concert, that's why she hasnt released the official track... it's also a song that is sentimental for her. It's obviously dedicated to her lovelife. 😂
Dome is AAVE that’s why majority of ppl dnt know what it means but it’s in many rap songs. It also can mean giving head in other context. Another example of why kpop should auto using AAVE Also if you work in the communication field and your job is to monitor what could be a potential scandal. They are required to keep up to date with the current state of media bc that’s what the are getting paid to do. And ppl in their 50s can keep up With this stuff if that is their job. 50 is not old. I work in PR and my mom who is in her 50s keeps up with pop culture faster than me .
personally thought ive and billlie’s debut was the start of 5th gen for me, like itzy g idle aespa and stayc don’t feel like the same generation as ive billlie le sserafim and new jeans to me
The "teehee" at 12:24 made me laugh so much and you both burst out laughing too. Man I love the shade in that comment and agree with the sentiment. The likes of ITZY, SKZ and (G)-IDLE (3.5 gen?) are quite different from New Jeans, IVE, aespa, Lesserafim and co but not so much to warrant a whole new gen. MNET can keep trying to make fetch happen to give Bepler an edge (which isn't all that necessary because they are pretty popular even surpassing Kepler) but I won't be buying into MNET's bs
I think people just have to learn to let it go and understand that project groups will end no matter what. Like Wanna One was my fave project group and love their songs but I eventually just moved on. There will always be new interesting groups to look forward to.
Almost every group that I’m into (Stray Kids being the exception) there is always that one member that I don’t vibe with or that one member that I don’t think should be in the group 😂 not because I hate them, but because they just kinda feel unnecessary in the group. And I also used to be annoyed by Mingi when I just got into Ateez, but it was out of frustration from him not doing stuff with the group (at the time he was going through some mental health issues I believe). But after he came back, I fell in love with him 😂 there’s still one member in Ateez that I think isn’t super necessary in the group though 😊but he shall remain unnamed 😅
Generations are not defined by decades, only the 2nd gen lasted this long, we can't say that Apink and Red Velvet are from the same generation tho. Old kpop stans are stuck in this idea, but the truth is: the generation shifts when kpop has a big change AND when the current one is at its peak. Examples: 1st - Korea started to do songs for younger people, based on international styles, and created kpop. (Started with Seo Taiji, but years after we got the first company, so it lasted 4/5 years) 2nd gen - With BoA and TVQX, the industry realized that they could be successful outside of Korea, so we got groups being huge in Japan and China. This one lasted 10 years, bcs a lot of things were created, like lighsticks, dance pratices...Also the gen started nearly 2002, but the first gg debuted in 2007 (WG), so thats why it lasted so long. 3rd gen - This generation showed that kpop could be successful globally. Its peak was when BTS went to events like Billboard and AMAs. Blackpink also showed that girlgroups could be as huge as boygroups, and popularized the girl crush sonority/concept, being a reference. (Lasted 5 years, 2012-2018) 4th gen - Now we are seeing kpop being acknowledged outside of the kpoppers bubble. The general public is listening to songs like Cupid and OMG, and we see the social media being the strongest platform to promote. Fifty-fifty achievements as a nugu group never happened before. Newjeans success also is about to change the sonority of kpop from now on, so the new groups will have them as a reference. (It lasted 4 years and a half, but ppl think its still early bcs we been through a pandemic and the boygroups were not so huge as the others) 5th gen - Yes, ZB1 can be considered, bcs that group have something unprecedented: a chinese member wining the 1st place in a korean survival show. If yall watched girls planet you know how crazy it is. It shows that from now on, the international fans can have the same relevance as the korean ones. Also G-idle is already seen as a sunbaenim, and Zico (3rd gen) is debuting his own group! So it doesn't make sense babymonster and idle being in the same box. When 3rd gen shifted, everyone was against the idea that g-idle was the first group of the 4th gen, but now everyone agrees. In 2 years we will agree on this. Also if the korean industry says so, why would we disagree?
mnet doesnt represent the whole of korean industry.. yge for example is promoting babymonster as a 4th gen group so how do we decide who to trust? also im sorry but a chinese member winning bp while crazy good, is not enough for a generational change.. im just not convinced
As a Dreamcatcher fan (insomnia), I have a friend who is a Dami stan. He only knows Dami but am I mad? Hell no. I got someone to listen to my faves' songs. Now he also knows other girl groups and always has at least 1 member he knows and I find it heartwarming cause fanboys are rare in my friend group.
if you think about it rationally mnet stating the group they launch through boys planet as 5th gen will actually have an impact in the industry,its not something people will just ignore and btw this is not ignored either cause tons of kmedias platforms and forums have stated already groups like zb1 and xikers as 5th gen and korean public are very much accepting of this largely due to the immense domestic success of boys planet where mnet always mentioned the new bg will start 5th gen in kpop.furthermore if one analyse certain aspects of fan cultures,company strategies regarding groups branding and promotions specifically and even the treatment trainees and idols receives,Its evident that there has been a huge shift in the kpop mainstream scene since 2018 up until now.The changes in 4th gen over the past 5 years have been brought in 3 phases,THE PRE COVID PHASE where groups like itzy,izone,skz and txt debuted,their promotion and debue starategies were very much similar to the 3rd gen but with very different concepts,music direction and styling and they were new face of the big companies like itzy after twice,txt after bts,all of them debuting after the seniors had already established a successful careers and were respectfully could be named as a generation that was revolutionary.following it is the COVID PHASE,where groups like treasure,aespa and enhypen debuted when the groups like txt skz and itzy have successfully managed to attract kpop fans and public towards the newer generations,it was the time when people antincipation of new groups was at the peak thats why it was for the first time that companies started investing lot more in debue projects,for example sm launching a whole new modern ai things and blended it with aespa,something so new and never thought of OR yg launching treasure by a debue project releasing 4 title tracks in 3 single albums and 1 album within just a span of 6 months and both of them having real high budgets music videos and greatly invested ,this phase also marked the beginning of online concerts and fancalls and the shift towards social media as the chief tool for promotion started becoming significant which actually has peaked WITH THE POST COVID PHASE marked by the launch of ive,nmixx,kepler,new jeans and lesserafim,now this phase further shifted kpop towards a whole different aesthetic which itself is vastly different from idle or skz back in 2018 even though they are called the same generation,this phase is when the the music and mvs started getting stylised into something that will target not specific fans but the whole general public,now its common for idols participation in their songs,idols can leave easily,many companies are well established and many groups are popular,groups have began to specify a certain sound and branding with themselves and THIS CANNOT BE IGNORED AS THE PEAK,Now after this from now on if a new groups debue placing them with same space with earlier groups sounds a bit forced acknowleding the certain and significant changes that we have lead into.MOREOVER mnet has a position in the industry,if they remarks the beginning of 5th gen,every other company is gonna follow that cause everyone wants their newer groups to be a fresh beginning in the scene of kpop, in shows like mama mnet will promote furthermore zb1 and other new groups as 5th gen and that people thinking its still 4th gen wont change a shit cause kpop and korean public has already accepted this,now there will not be a company coming out in 2025 and will say hey this is our group and they will start the real 5th gen like thats aint happening,THE GROUPS THAT WILL NOW LAUNCH WILL ALREADY HAVE THE CHANGES ABSORBED INTO THEIR PROMOTION SINCE BEGINNING AND WITH THAT ITS ALSO TO BE NOTED THAT TODAY WE HAVE A WHOLE NEW GENERATION OF FANS EMERGING TOO SO ITS RIGHTFUL TO ACCEPT THE 5TH GEN AND EXPERIENCE THE TOUCH IT WILL GIVE TO KPOP AND THE WAY KPOP WILL BE SHAPED IN FUTURE BY THEM BEING ALREADY EQUIPPED WITH MODERN AND TRENDY STRATEGIES
This. Mnet has a huge influence on the industry, and while I agree with others that Mnet is saying 5th gen as a marketing ploy and they're not trustworthy due to the Produce scandal, I'm also not naive enough to think their words won't have huge impact. They'll be banging the 5th gen drum at Mcountdown--the supposed #1 weekly music show, the MAMAs, and every Kcon (which is organized by their parent company). Additionally, generations are by no means clear cut. Some people believe in.half gens, others don't. Some think gens are based in industry changes, but disagree as to which changes actually mark the new gens. Some don't even think it's based on changes, but by a fixed number of years or when the big companies create new groups. The cut offs are also debated--was the Boyz the first bg in 4th gen? Was 2018 the cut off? 2019 as a commenter here has stated? With so much ambiguity, there isn't even a consistent argument to stem the tide. BTW, loved your explanation as to the phases of the 4th gen.
need this comment tattooed on my scalp. thank you thank you and a million and the thanks you for this educational accurate and brilliant insight and breakdown of the generations
It is simply not possible to like all members in the group the same amount. It is just called being biased. As long as they don’t insult the other members for quote unquote stealing jobs from their bias or something in this line, it is fine to find some member(s) more attractive than the others.
as kpop stans we get overly attactched to groups and idols. so obviously that person would sacrifice ive and le sserafim to have izone back, because they stanned them and was sad that they disbanded. but like... a lot of people would agree that le sserafim and ive's concepts and songs are a lot better than izone's. i'm sure there a lot of people who would sacrifice pretty much all kpop groups and their own mothers to have loona back lol but that's because of the emotional attachment, it clouds your ability to see things objectively
I know people are going to hunt me down with pitchforks for this, but I think Momo and Sana from Twice overdo it with dancing. This does NOT take away from their skills because everyone says their technique is awesome. Since I am not a not dancer, I just believe the experts. But the face expressions are sometimes a bit…. Well, nothing wrong with sex, but it shouldn’t look like you’re just in the middle of it (in my opinion and preference). And to be honest, I get the second hand embarrassment and I too look away when Sana and Momo lines come up…. And focus instead on Jihyo 😬😄 sorry guys….
Wow Jeonghan was also the member that would piss me off sometimes! Mostly for his cheating during every games they play. But now I just go with it and think, “he’ll cheat anyway so why bother” 😂😂
in korea : gen 3 : twice, redvelvet, blackpink, mamamoo... gen 3.5 : idle, loona, fromis9, itzy(controversial 3.5 or 4) everglow, izone... gen 4 : aespa, stayc, ive, lesserafim, kep1er, nmix, newjeans... (I only know about girl groups, and the generation of girl groups and boy groups does not always match.) at first, the typical contract is seven years. Therefore, the generation cycle is seven years, which is mainly based on girl groups with strong labels.(traditionally SM, JYP, YG) but I agree that this cycle is getting shorter. Personally, I think generation 4.5 is starting, assuming that both aespa and newjeans are in the same generation.(Newjeans and Ive, one of the most successful girl groups in Korea, cannot be called the 4.5th generation.) The first example of generation 4.5 would be fifty-fifty. They were first recognized by countless K-pop listeners around the world. and thanks to them, they gained recognition in Korea. This is a very exceptional way. If similar cases are repeated, this will mean the emergence of a new generation(4.5gen). Labels that follow fifty-fifty's approach will create a girl group that focuses on world-friendly marketing. As I finish writing, I hope my opinion was conveyed well through the translator. And I understand that standards may differ in distinguishing K-pop generations in Korea and other countries. I just wanted to tell you how to distinguish in Korea.
Jennie said in an interview I think that you and me was recorded 3 years ago Also not that good of a marketing move I think bc as soon as that got known my timeline was full of people just wanting to know which ex its about and saying poor jennie has to perform a song about a relationship thats already over bc blackpink has so little songs
58:06 Adding on to this, it's hard to love every single member equally, especially if they're a big group. 11/12/13 members is alot, you aren't always gonna vibe personally. Support every member yes, but it's just unrealistic for that love & support to be equal
About the westen consultation: why make it so complicated, like my friends and I if we buy shirts that have writing in another language just google it. Maybe a research assistent would be enough
Just randoms thoughts: - I don't think we will see a crazy shift in visuals (like you both mentioned the Eyeliner alot). Korea adapted to the "western" fashion world from 2nd to 3rd Gen alot and it is a really smooth transition, almost not noticable in my opinion. - I do think we are heading towards 5th Gen/are at the early beginnings of it. 2nd Gen was 2003-2012, 3rd Gen was 2012-2018, 4th Gen started 2018 (these dates are the most agreed ones by fans, not my opinion) and technicially there is a trend of shorter generations moving forward. The world turned faster in the last 20 years with all the technology and globalization. So in my opinion it isn't early for 5th Gen. A "K-Pop-Gen" isn't like a human generation - a human generation should be around 20-30 years, so your kids can grow up and start to get their own children, which would mean a new generation is born. But let's even break it down to 10 years for a generation, it still doesn't match with K-Pop-Standards. - We do have some very crucial changes that could be considered typical 5th Gen aswell: Very young idols debut much more often Groups can get viral so much easier, especially with Tiktok The sound changed from a dance-heavy (4th Gen goes wild with the dancing and noisy sound) to more casual listens and vocal-focus. Spotify-Streams seems to matter MUCH more than TH-cam-MV-Views nowadays. If anybody even reads this, feel free to comment down your opinions too, this is very interesting to me since i literally heard that 5th Gen started already here and there for maybe around a year now, especially with the crazy hype that was New Jeans.
The thing is, if we follow this logic, then 5th Gen already started last year by Newjeans (minors, easy hearing) , Fifty Fifty (viral, vocal focus). But Media and journalists don't talk about those moment as the birth of 5th Gen when New Jeans LITTERALY created a shift in the whole industry (like you said) The thing that pisses me off about the 5th Gen is that it's a construct by companies (Mnet doesn't even hide it) to make sure their boygroups can distinct themselves and have a clear path tisolated from the competition 4th gen is the generation of BEASTS, and is already saturated w/ a TONS of successful groups. As a 4th Gen Rookie, you'll have to compete w/ Ive, Le Sserafim, Iz*one, Ateez, Stray Kids, Txt, Enhyphen, Gidle, Itzy, Everglow, StayC, (etc), AND New Jeans AND Fifty FIfty that they want to stuck as 4th Gen People even talk about how rookie boygroups have hard times to grow big unlike GG. Rookie Award shows were talked a lot last year bc of that. Journalists even explicitly say that they talk about 5th Gen as a "Boygroup Generation" as opposed to the 4th Gen that is "Girlgroup dominated". They build the 5th Gen around BG debuting in 2023 only bc a lot of big companies planed to debut their new BG, completly disregarding the reality of the kpop stage right now : New Jeans changed the industry BIG time. I'm not a NWJS fan by far, but I find it so ridiculous how they talk about this new wave of boygroup that will bring refreshing sound and change the industry...when this shift already happened with NWJS...But again, bc 5th Gen is a strategy marketing to clear the path for the upcoming BG's wave, then it can't be possible to place Fifty Fifty and NewJeans as 5th Gen : the achievements are already too big and those new rookie Bg can't be the "biggest 5th Gen group", the "1st to do xxx", etc etc
Sorry for the whole book ^^' To summarize : I agree that something shifted and we may are entering in a 5th Gen. But It's so obvious how companies/Medias try to make it a "Boygroup generation" by arbitrary starting it in 2023, predicting a shift that already happened but that the journalists put it as the consequences of grousp that still didn't debuted or worst, already debuted but don't show at all those "5th gen shifts"
I agree. It seems like a lot of new groups are trying to move back toward a live performance standard as well. Also, it does seem that the generations are getting shorter.
@@debow5042I'm a boy group stan, but I agree that New Jeans and Fifty-Fifty seem to be part of the changes. They may end up being like BTS and NCT who, while being part of 3rd gen, obviously led the move toward 4th gen's performance focus, or they may end up retroactively be called part of the 5th if it seems like enough other groups debuting around those two were also changing in similar ways.
1- I wouldn't really ''sacrifice'' both grps to get Iz back, but I would really love a reunion they are too good to be forgiven, even tho I wasn't THAT into 'em bc I knew they were going to disband so I didn't really want to stick with 'em a lot just like how I'm doing with kep, like I love the girls I love the music but I just try as much as I can to not stick with 'em a lot, just like what I'm planning to do with zb1 I did watch both shows so I'm starting to rlly get into bth grps, but I don't want that to happen 2- I think the same, I just don't get it why ppl are just too impatient and want to move on like it's only been 5 years into 4th gen and as far as ik we move on to the next gen when we start seeing some VERY big improvements and changes in the visuals the concepts the style the trend the everything like we didn't just say oh 2018 is 4th gen like they said it took so much time to confirm that we officially moved on from gens, and just bc Msnakes said that zb1 are 5th gen or just promoted them as 5th gen leaders means that we will just go along with them like they don't fucking own kpop, I genuinely don't get it like literally why do I see this topic EVERYWHERE this past week like everyone just want to move on asap, and I always believed that 4th gen will be the longest gen in kpop so far bc everyone is just sticking to the same style and follows the trend and tries the most guaranteed path and easiest to follow even if a grp adopt a new concept it's usually like 2 or 3 that actually sticks to that concept and they don't take a long time before moving on, like some started saying we hit 5th gen after Mave's debut bc it's an AI and cgi but if we really want to say that why won't we say that 5th gen actually started with aespa they were the 1st to adopt this concept and made it so popular, so I just don't really get it what's up with ppl 3- YES YES YES and a big YES, just bc someone is super disrespectful towards your faves doesn't allow or give you the right to insult theirs back, I really don't get like you can't stand up for toxic with toxic, it just doesn't make sense, it's really so funny bc at the beginning it wasn't this toxic but now that kpop is becoming more global the so called ''kpop fans'' are just being more and more toxic, bringing that weird way of stanning western artists and trying to force it into kpop and they were able to do so, now I can literally not say any joke abt any grp in another grp's content I just can't bring up any other names even tho if it actually did have something to do with the topic but if I just did ppl will go CRAZY and be all toxic as if I committed a cr''i''me, but I still don't agree with what that person did say, I just said it in my own way, 4- I don't really find it like that horrible, but I do agree it's just like useless I mean it changes nothing although my faves are bp so this is coming from like a 6 years blink, just so that ppl don't get me wrong that's why I'm saying this, but I do agree, the f word is just there chillin' like it changes nothing and I feel like most ppl saying they want it to be dropped and like are so hyped up about it are all just baby blinks ig or baby kpop stans, they just still think that kpop idols are 100 innocent and they just don't swear or wtsv, but old kpop stans are just kinda more chill bout it and think it's normal, so that's why i think there are so many ppl being hyped up about and some are just like they don't fucking care 5- I thought the same at 1st, tbh when nj just debuted all their songs I was like wtf is wrong with hybe, I really didn't like them I even stopped watching them for a moment, like when I heard the whole hype boy I was like what the fuck is this shit, I was like ew, it sounded like an original instrumental mixed up with the reverse of it, so I was like nah I ain't listening to this, but after like randomly listening to it I found it actually good, but idk if I'm just used to it, bc usually the 1st reaction is the real one ig, but after that it just becomes normal to your ears it's not bc you actually like it, you are just being used to it, but actually cookie is my fav nj song lol, I really like it, it was actually the 1st nj song that I didn't have a weird reaction toward it, I loved it from the 1st listen lol 6- I lowkey agree with this, I would rather see someone under dancing than over dancing, it just ruins the whole vibe, but not too much under dancing tho 7- I actually really like it, but I do think the same too, it's definitely a sample not the official thing either way it's one of those songs that are meant to be performed only once and never get released, but I do like it actually, 8- No comment, I just don't agree 9-yeah ig that's fine, like as long as you don't hate on another member, like I remember when I was in 9th grade, at that time true beauty was still airing, and I had a friend she literally hated kpop, but her cousin would keep sending her k-pop related videos, and by chance she once watched the 1st ep of true beauty and loved it, and by time she started asking me about it she knew I was watching it, and I told her that eunwoo is actually a kpop idol too, bc she started watching all of his dramas and thought he was just an actor, so she started listening to astro's songs and literally watching all eunwoo's fancams, end everything related to him, she would say that she became an aroha, and loves all the members and loves their songs but I could tell she was a solo stan from what she does, she would literally call moonbin sanha and rocky moonbin, and thought that MJ and jinjin are the same person bc their names are supposed to be the same from her pov ig that's what she said, she knew everything abt eunwoo, and says she is an aroha yet still didn't know when they debuted, but knows everything abt the 1st drama that eunwoo had, so jokingly I asked her what woo left astro she said then I'll lose interest, that's when I was like yep she is definitely a solo stan, yet I don't find it a big problem bc she never hated on any of the other members despite the fact that I already said, she was a kpop hater, also she never had any interests in other grps, all she watched was eunwoo, but still she would still compliment other members and literally never said anything bad even if it was a joke neverrr, so I think it's really fine, as long as you don't hate on another member bc he got more lines that your bias ig, or bc your bias was being ghosted in a cb, it's not the other members fault that your bias was under promoted or ''forgotten'' if it was the right word, and it is completely normal to be super in love with a member but there just one specific member just makes you go like ugh, it's fucking completely normal, let's normalize being a solo stan with no hate instead of normalizing a fucking eunchae being 16 y\o and showing too much skin and dancing to a song that is way mature than her age, let's normalize loving only a few members of a grp instead of fucking normalizing hating on an idol just bc they got smtg done, it's as normal as drinking water, like having something done is like permanent make up same goes for stanning one member of a grp, but come on let's stick with won, since angelina gave her as an exp, come on do you think Ive were going to be that popular without them having won and yujin, and same goes foe lssfm do you think anyone was going to give a shit abt if they didn't have sakura and chae, yeah more ppl love them now but the 1st hype was all bc of the wiz. they were all excited to see the girls again, and Ive literally get millions of views b of won like no hate, no offense but I'm speaking facts, so being a solo stan actually helps the grp sh''it I wrote a lot, hope yt lets me post it lol and hope he doesn't delete it bc I said some very not good words lol, but I had to watch every chapter and like think wisely abt what is my pov on it, ik probably no one is going to read all of this but if anyone does tysm
i won't bring back Izone, i know them and love specially la vie en rose, they made their sound i think but i won't disband specially Ive to bring back Izone! Because they were enough successful and there are too many members and i prefer IVE to Izone
If you want to prevent your idols from wearing problematic clothes...look up whats written on them. You know, just because you found it in a thrift store and it looks vintage doesn't mean you actually want to put it on your body. I definitely don't expect people to know everything but the fact that some people seem too lazy to do a quick google search just comes off as ignorant, especially considering that it is their job to work with clothes (Like they probably spend a good amount of time putting together these outfits and do not think of researching the symbols they clearly do not understand). And its not just about symbols, if chaeyoung had actually taken the time to look up who that dude was on the other shirt I don't think she would have worn it (at least I hope so) - Sid vicious was a junkie that abused and killed his girlfriend, beat a journalist with a bicycle chain and wore nazi symbols for shock value. Like I said, not everybody is perfectly educated on americas right wing-politics or punk bands but don't just walk around wearing shit you don't understand, especially if you have unlimited access to this type information.
I don’t agree that international fans made kpop more toxic. On a surface level, yes, cause obviously more attention to a toxic industry ( most industries r toxic so let’s not pretend like k pop is the unhealthiest thing to ever exist ) will bring about more toxicity. HOWEVER, I feel like international fans have literally made kpop mainstream. Like would LOONA have been able to battle out their slave contracts without international fans. Yeah I didn’t think so. Like this is such a biased opinion. It’s giving ‘I’m upset that y’all like black pink and not red velvet y’all have no taste’. Something like that. The industry was always toxic, but it’s toxic because of the fans, in other words the fans have a lot of power, which also means that idols have more backing to stand up for themselves. As for us funding and enabling a toxic industry, well yes, but y’all need to stop pretending that the Korean industry is like somehow ten times worse than the western industries. That mentality has undertones of ignorance and literal prejudice cause what makes you think Koreans are like in a squid game or something but western artists r just like having tea parties…
Angelina name drop the ateez member anyways cause now I’m curious 😭😭😭😭 in the beginning I did have an ick with Wooyoung and then with Mingi but then they became my favorite people ever it’s kinda funny
its annoying to hear the “izone was meant to be disbanded” and compare it to other produce groups because WE LOST so much time with them due to the long hiatus and corona virus..
@@umne9262 YEAH like imagine the songs we could've got during that time! But alas, as a wiz*one I can do nothing but support IVE/lesserafim and replay Fiesta, Highlight, Violeta and Sequence 😭
@@Quon yes ofc im extremely grateful both post-izone groups are doing well and i love them i just wish people had more respect/understanding for wizones
i agree with the fact we're still in 4th gen! Some people claims we're in 5th gen with baby monster and the boysband from boys planet mnet survival show but wtf, Baby monster haven't debuted yet and same with the boysband from boys planet, i don't watch it, i heard their name but forget it
i think the person in the last post was referring to akgaes -- which are mean and hateful solo stans, as opposed to the ones that just support one person/mainly one person in a group.
Crazy that Kpop is about to enter 5th gen but 4th gen has yet to have THAT big group 2018 when 4th gen started and as we all know, that was also the time that BTS fully break out in the international scene. From then on, some said that Kpop Year End award shows became so boring because they grab almost all of the Daesangs from 2017 - 2022. Now that they are in a temporary rest as a group due to military, despite huge achievements of these rookie groups, lots of 4th gen groups who debuted first are still not able to have that one big break. I dunno, I'm not saying it's BTS fault but I just feel that 4th gen didn't really have that time to shine because of them. To think that in less than 2 years, BTS is coming back as a full group and that's supposed to be the time that 5th gen is starting to ripen... like, we are in for a treat lol
I feel like we are already 2 years into the 5th gen since Big 4 groups keep debuting and having million-selling albums within a year. I can't look at (G)I-DLE/ITZY and NewJeans/BABYMONSTER as "peers" of the same generation.
the whole conversation about sacraficing ive & le sserafim to get izone back is such a difficult topic. izone was top tier and had so many good songs, and yes, i wish they would come back. i also believe the chemistry of the izone members were much more stronger than ive and le sserafim (especially le sserafim from what i see as a casual listener and viewer). however, ive and le sserafim are top tier as well. especially ive who i have grown to love and stan since kitsch release after just being a casual listener. my opinion is on the fence because i love all three groups.
Angelina, I think you're right that if it's your job to know then you have to know, but I just want to mention that your example with knowing about US politics and stuff like that isn't a particularly good example. The US as the current super power of the world have their news spread everywhere so pretty much the entire globe hear about news in the US on a weekly (nearly daily) basis, but this doesn't happen with all other countries, even very big and important ones, and particularly Americans tend to not know anything about what's happening outside the US. Think about whether you would know about the current political climate in Brasil, South Africa, or Thailand and you'll realize that the knowledge you have of political climates (and by extension what you would need to be careful about when presenting celebrities) outside your own country and the US is really limited. Anyway, it's not that I think your point is wrong, I just thought your argument needed some work 😅
my point was is even by not trying, i know these things, if it was someone’s job to know these things, it wouldn’t be unreasonable for them to know! you know? LOL 💕
here's my opinion about generations 1st gen: 1990-2000 gen 1.5: 2000-2005 2nd gen: 2005-2010 gen 2.5: 2010-2014 3rd gen: 2014-2016 gen 3.5: 2016-2018 4th gen: 2018-2022 gen 4.5: 2022-2024 5th gen: starts around 2025
I don't really know how to express it to be honnest. It's more the feeling that I don't like. So i'll try to write it 😬 The thing is more the people's reaction towards the flower boy of the group that i don't really like. Flower boys are the pretty face of the group, kinda the visual. Usually people (fans or first reactors of the group) like them (the flower boy) at first glance because they are "too pretty" but as soon as the flower boy change their look, people can't recognize them, so they don't really see the full potential of the idol, they just see the look. They are just the "flower boy" and I don't like the fact that the idol himself stick to the concept, cause it feels like they are kinda loosing themselves to that stereotype or etiquette. They don't want to (or maybe can't because of the company) break out of it. But when they do break out of that "flower boy bubble" they are soooo much more powerful and strong on stage and that's where they really shine. 🙈 I guess it's more the attitude (of the people toward them) that i don't really vibe with, not the look. They are soooo much more than that💕
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The whole: kpop wasnt that toxic in the beginning is so funny because you had people getting poisoned by gifts from their own fans
They meant online
We're in gen 4.5 and I'm tired of the whole gen 5 forced discussions by newer kpop fans who have no idea what they're talking about. They don't know what MNET is and what their problematic history is. Please get educated on it if you haven't yet 🙏 Please listen to older fans on how kpop gen changes truly work. Don't just wish/demand for a gen change. It doesn't work like that, because you felt creative/quirky.
@pruitv3 explain??
Same. Everyone is saying the same thing about this. Basically hold up and let's wait to see what happened in a couple of years
This exactly. At most, I think we're at a 4.5 mostly because the likes of NWJNS and IVE don't feel the same as ITZY and (G)-IDLE. I can't really explain it any other way but the vibes are very different but not as different to be 5th Gen
Exactly. I don’t think we can just call this a new generation in kpop. Especially right NOW? Like I’m a bit confused there needs to be a lot more time before we can call any of this 5th gen. I know for sure it’s on its way. But it will take a few years. What’s the rush?
I stan a lot of groups and there I groups I follow, which I would not be interested in if my bias left and that is a fact. If other members from these groups do solo activities I do not care.
I honestly think solo staning is okay although it is always sad to see that some members are more popular. But the fans are not obligated to consume every content.
It however (obviously) is not okay to bring the other members of a group or any other idols down or talk badly about them.
i agree!
I feel like we're in 4.5 with New Jeans, IVE, Billie (maybe xikers as well, since they don't really resemble most 4th gen boy groups) etc. because they don't feel like 4th gen but they don't necessarily feel like 5th gen either (to me at least). Or they could be on the cusp of the generation change (kind of like how The Boyz are they don't *feel* 3rd gen or 4th gen to me, but they definitely could be 3.5 gen). That's just my opinion though don't come for me.
Non-toxic Solo stanning for me is when you like a groups music and really like one member, but aren't interested enough in the group as a whole to get to know the other members. For example i used to solo stan Soyeon, i liked gidles music and would watch performaces to see Soyeon, but didn't really pay much attention to the other members. Funnily after eventually getting to know the group more, my bias is now actually Yuqi. XD
This happened to me when I started stanning blackpink, by bias was lisa but now it's rosé ,sometimes I am confused if my bias ot4 or just one😂, I used to think Joshua is my bias in enhypen but it's heesung eventually 😭😭 this happens to me everytime 😂😂 actually when you start stanning a group without a toxic mindset you might come to like more than one member or maybe all the members sometimes
@@WonyoungcodesAbsolutely agree, the toxic mindset is what brings the issues.
I don't know Enhypen very well, but I just came across a MV teaser for their upcoming comeback, and it looks really cool!
@@luisab3079 i started listening to them while shout out and i love them now , also txt are great
@@Wonyoungcodes I am sorry but I am sure that there isn't a member named Joshua in enhypen. Do you mean Joshua from seventeen.?
Of course it's ok. You choose who you Stan. It's needless to follow the crowd and stan idol you don't even love. Just because there are toxic solo stans doesn't cancel the fact that there are good solo stans. Just like there good and toxic OTX fans.
I do believe we are at the start of 5th gen, or at least in a transitional period between 4th and 5th gen
There has been an influx of new groups, IVE, Lesserafim, fifty-fifty, NMIX and especially NewJeans that feel new and different from 4th gen groups like itzy and straykids
For me it's more that skz and itzy are gen 3.5 and now we are actually entering 4th gen
@@tillie_brn Yes!
@@tillie_brn for me ateez and skz were kinda 3.5, we were well into 4th gen when itzy debuted, it's been 5 years so I'll either wait 2 more before I start calling anybody 5th gen, or wait until there's a change big enough to realize 4th gen has ended.
@@inzaghiscornsalad7034the big change happened with every group after ive
ive doesn’t feel 4th gen compared to earlier 4th gen groups
imo 5th gen should start in 2025 or 2026. i feel like 4th gen just hasnt had a "peak" yet & i don't understand why ppl wanna rush into 5th gen already
Totally agree! We might be in 4.5 but 5th it's to early 😬
You and me both (and a lot of people who agree with you)
Unless something else happens in the second half of the year, I think this could be the peak of 4th gen. Groups like SKZ, aespa, IVE, NWJNS, FIFTY-FIFTY and so on constantly breaking records, gaining brand deals and more and more popularity. I do think we're in a 4.5 at most
we aren’t rushing
4th gen has now lasted the same amount of time as 3rd gen did when the first group that were promoted as 4th gen appeared
I feel like in Soul's case, it makes sense if he overdances and goes all out in his dance break( going all out in a dance break just makes sense, especially if we're talking about the one in scared). The guy barely gets lines, so the only way for him to stand out is killing the dance break or going hard in the choreo, so I don't blame him for that.
That’s a good point
I absolutely looooove soul I wish he’d get more lines tbh he has such a soothing voice, but Ron the only thing he can do to stand out (other than his personality in their vids) is overdancing, I feel like those little over dancing minutes are really catchy because he also looks like he really enjoys them and has such a good vibe
Haven’t watched the video yet, but like, I’m still processing the end of 3rd gen and we’re talking about 5h gen, No no noononono
i'm a solo stan specially Wonyoung solo stan fan like you and it's okay, we don't have to make excuse about that or to be shame for that! Like said, it's okay if we don't bully others members, i have no problem with others members of Ive at all, just preference and Wonyoung has to face so much hate for doing nothing wrong
4th gen recent few years just been a rat race of who is the leader. every comebacks instead of being appreciated is just taken as a mile in that race.. we don't have to have a leader. and 4th gen is too saturated that companies r starting 5th gen agenda to not be counted in the container that's saturated with groups and records, rather a new container that's empty enough for more noice.
Tbh, i don't think the whole generation discourse is as black and white as most fans are making it. We've seen how long the past generations have lasted but also how much the K-pop industry has changed, especially with the market expanding towards the west, and i think many people fail to see how it seems as though 4th gen hasn't really run its course because of the pandemic! We've kinda been stuck these past 2 to 3 years, and so has the industry. Taking a whole two years away from 4th gen groups definitely has influenced our perception of the consumption of the media they've given us, but it's kinda been 5 ish years since it began. I think 4th gen is quite varied and breaking away from a mold, so it's hard to pinpoint where 4th ends & 5th starts, so I kinda agree that there have been 2.5-3.5-4.5 eras. I just don't think they're always fixed to a certain amount of years
Totally agree about the solo stan thing. Like everyone has a fave
K-pop Solo Stans…
having a fave is having a bias though, idk if you can call someone your "favorite" if you don't even care about the others
I love how Angelina only jokes like 10% to be disappointed every time Audrey don't know a 2ne1 song.
You can see it in her eyes, there sits the stan and calling for murder 😂
I love this vibe , also you guys are soooo pretty 😭!
thank you so much 😭💕
@@moluccensis no problem ; you're so underratedd btw, like some people (which i know bcz of the comments) don't like you because of the facts that you're spitting , but facts are facts like ... 😭
i think a good example of someone who doesn’t overdance nor ever put 100% energy into dancing is krystal, she’ll usually put just the perfect amount of energy and thus feel consistent
And Seo Soojin
people might disagree with me, but i think nayeon also.
Also Rosé from Blackpink
43:58 LMAO see those comments I would never connect in my head- I'm just not that quick-witted- so hearing you point it out actually made me cackle
Poor soul 😭 I am even p1harmony fan but that hurts
Overdancing is so better than lazy dancing😢
IM SO HAPPY URE TALKING ABOUT THIS TITLE but if by the end of the video i dont conclude that you also think 4th gen isnt over im gonna be devastated.
okay thank fuck we agree.. i shouldve predicted this bc i have a theory only those new to kpop think 5th gen alr started
I think because of the pandemic 4th gen haven't had a chance to do anything that would make them stand out from other generations. They haven't been able to 'peak' yet if you know what I mean. Plus mnet, zb1 stans and babymonster stans are only saying that we are in 5th gen because they want to be able to give their favs titles like 5th gen it boy/girl or 5th gen leaders to make them seem special and better than other kpop groups even though they haven't even debuted yet
Ça fait quelques mois que je te suis sur TikTok et c'est la première fois que je viens sur ton TH-cam. My jaw dropped quand j'ai entendu Audrey dire "déjà vu" et réalisé que vous êtes Québécoises. Go girl!
No one but MNET and ZB1 stans are saying 5th gen is here
Actually, the Korean Herald posted an article about it a few weeks ago.
Angelina is feeding us
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I honestly loved hearing the “explicit version” of money as a surprise watching the Coachella livestream, I feel like certain idols have so much fun swearing so they should be allowed when they can 😂 on the other hand I don’t think this version needs to be released separately esp as it’s a bit repetitive vs the kinda goofy lyrics about yummy bread lmao, just a fun “Easter egg” like angelina said ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Opinion about 5th gen: only reason company want their groups to be 5th gen is so that they can be the first one to get achievements like: first fith gen group to win this and that or highest sale is fifth gen so far.
Recently so an argument about why 4th gen felt short because there are so 3rd gen groups still dominating so that didn't get the place to shine but who made the rules that they have to do that to make it easier for their direct competition just because its their gen right now
Musically if you like Izone concept how do you not like Ive's concept? You probably just like the people better than the music. Personally I liked Izone members more than their music but I love everything about Ive.
your really pretty angelina, i love your content please make more :D
that is my exact opinion on kep1er, I love the girls because every single one is sooo talented, but I hate their music and its just not worth it to stan them if they're gonna disband in like a year...
Hi Angelina have you seen the Jennie and V video in Paris?
Please talk about it, I love watching your content and hearing your opinions on things related to kpop and what you think about the whole situation with blinks and armys saying it's fake and others saying it's real
As an American, I had never heard of qanon before the Chaeyoung controversy. However, I will say that if a person was hired to know stuff, they should know how many different countries would view it. It would be like a historian, of sorts. Not just a manager who's read some books. If that makes sense.
I agree with the over dancing btw gkfkkfkf I'd rather have someone dancing 75% but detailed than 200% and be messy. 100% is the best ig. 75% might be the best if you have difficulties with small details or if it's a difficult song to sing. Balance is soooo important 😭
"Good dancing" (imo and most proffesionals I've heard) usually isn't 100% power. It usually has slow moments too to balance it or something
I feel like 4th gen started around 2019. Somewhere there. Txt, itzy, everglow, oneus and more debuted 2019 but I have to say that it's not only about who debuted when. Gidle debuted 2018 and I feel like they're kinda between 3rd and 4th gen. NCT debuted 2016 but I feel like they've been pretty relevant so it has kinda felt like 4th gen even tho they're like 3rd gen or something. I do see that SM seems to struggle with nct lately tho
I googled and it said that 4th gen started 18 or 19 and I agree with that but as I said some groups fit pretty well in the early 4th gen even tho they debuted as late 3rd gen groups
With 5th gen idk... It's hard to tell if this is the big change into a new generation or if it's just trends. We'll see in the future I guess 🫶🏼
My heart kinda broke from that soul criticism lol but i get it, im sure they are always looking for ways to improve on their own
I always thought that generations started and ended around the time the big 3 debut their next generation of groups and by that, all 3 have to have debuted a group. And yg has yet to have a gg for 4th gen.
2:00 shes like *I HATE THAT PERSON!!! I LOVE IVE AND LE SSERAFIM!!*
Really interesting discussion on the mnet survival show groups. A perfect world would be the girls could do LSF, IVE, IZ*ONE, and Solos. I agree on the point that I would sacrifice all the post I.O.I groups/solos (maybe not Pristin idk) to bring back I.O.I. Unfortunately I don’t follow much of Kep1er so I don’t have a very strong opinion about them.
Pristin disbandet after three comebacks.
I'm glad to hear you guys agree about the solo stan stuff. I'm personally not, but I really don't care if someone is as long as they aren't trashing the other members. I just hate the whole mindset that you have to bring someone down to lift another up.... it's so annoying and close-minded.
Still 4th generation as far as I'm concerned. Besides, what difference would it make what generation KPOP is in. They all compete against each other anyway in the music industry.
3rd gen lasted from 2012 to 2017/18, so 5 years... 4th gen started in 2018 so i think its about time the 5th gen starts cause its been 5 years also..
that's not how it works it's only a gen is starting to fade away.
2012 was a 2gen year
56:00 my jaw isnt even in the room with us
JEONGHAN TOO!!?!?!?!?!??
36:56 Nooo, Jennie released You and Me as something to perform for the concert, that's why she hasnt released the official track... it's also a song that is sentimental for her. It's obviously dedicated to her lovelife. 😂
Dome is AAVE that’s why majority of ppl dnt know what it means but it’s in many rap songs. It also can mean giving head in other context.
Another example of why kpop should auto using AAVE
Also if you work in the communication field and your job is to monitor what could be a potential scandal. They are required to keep up to date with the current state of media bc that’s what the are getting paid to do. And ppl in their 50s can keep up With this stuff if that is their job. 50 is not old. I work in PR and my mom who is in her 50s keeps up with pop culture faster than me .
personally thought ive and billlie’s debut was the start of 5th gen for me, like itzy g idle aespa and stayc don’t feel like the same generation as ive billlie le sserafim and new jeans to me
The "teehee" at 12:24 made me laugh so much and you both burst out laughing too. Man I love the shade in that comment and agree with the sentiment.
The likes of ITZY, SKZ and (G)-IDLE (3.5 gen?) are quite different from New Jeans, IVE, aespa, Lesserafim and co but not so much to warrant a whole new gen. MNET can keep trying to make fetch happen to give Bepler an edge (which isn't all that necessary because they are pretty popular even surpassing Kepler) but I won't be buying into MNET's bs
I think people just have to learn to let it go and understand that project groups will end no matter what. Like Wanna One was my fave project group and love their songs but I eventually just moved on. There will always be new interesting groups to look forward to.
Almost every group that I’m into (Stray Kids being the exception) there is always that one member that I don’t vibe with or that one member that I don’t think should be in the group 😂 not because I hate them, but because they just kinda feel unnecessary in the group. And I also used to be annoyed by Mingi when I just got into Ateez, but it was out of frustration from him not doing stuff with the group (at the time he was going through some mental health issues I believe). But after he came back, I fell in love with him 😂 there’s still one member in Ateez that I think isn’t super necessary in the group though 😊but he shall remain unnamed 😅
As an EXOL people who don’t like chanyeol and Chen are a red flag to me.
Generations are not defined by decades, only the 2nd gen lasted this long, we can't say that Apink and Red Velvet are from the same generation tho. Old kpop stans are stuck in this idea, but the truth is: the generation shifts when kpop has a big change AND when the current one is at its peak. Examples:
1st - Korea started to do songs for younger people, based on international styles, and created kpop. (Started with Seo Taiji, but years after we got the first company, so it lasted 4/5 years)
2nd gen - With BoA and TVQX, the industry realized that they could be successful outside of Korea, so we got groups being huge in Japan and China. This one lasted 10 years, bcs a lot of things were created, like lighsticks, dance pratices...Also the gen started nearly 2002, but the first gg debuted in 2007 (WG), so thats why it lasted so long.
3rd gen - This generation showed that kpop could be successful globally. Its peak was when BTS went to events like Billboard and AMAs. Blackpink also showed that girlgroups could be as huge as boygroups, and popularized the girl crush sonority/concept, being a reference. (Lasted 5 years, 2012-2018)
4th gen - Now we are seeing kpop being acknowledged outside of the kpoppers bubble. The general public is listening to songs like Cupid and OMG, and we see the social media being the strongest platform to promote. Fifty-fifty achievements as a nugu group never happened before. Newjeans success also is about to change the sonority of kpop from now on, so the new groups will have them as a reference. (It lasted 4 years and a half, but ppl think its still early bcs we been through a pandemic and the boygroups were not so huge as the others)
5th gen - Yes, ZB1 can be considered, bcs that group have something unprecedented: a chinese member wining the 1st place in a korean survival show. If yall watched girls planet you know how crazy it is. It shows that from now on, the international fans can have the same relevance as the korean ones. Also G-idle is already seen as a sunbaenim, and Zico (3rd gen) is debuting his own group! So it doesn't make sense babymonster and idle being in the same box.
When 3rd gen shifted, everyone was against the idea that g-idle was the first group of the 4th gen, but now everyone agrees. In 2 years we will agree on this. Also if the korean industry says so, why would we disagree?
mnet doesnt represent the whole of korean industry.. yge for example is promoting babymonster as a 4th gen group so how do we decide who to trust? also im sorry but a chinese member winning bp while crazy good, is not enough for a generational change.. im just not convinced
I actually agree with the overdancing argument
As a Dreamcatcher fan (insomnia), I have a friend who is a Dami stan. He only knows Dami but am I mad? Hell no. I got someone to listen to my faves' songs. Now he also knows other girl groups and always has at least 1 member he knows and I find it heartwarming cause fanboys are rare in my friend group.
if you think about it rationally mnet stating the group they launch through boys planet as 5th gen will actually have an impact in the industry,its not something people will just ignore and btw this is not ignored either cause tons of kmedias platforms and forums have stated already groups like zb1 and xikers as 5th gen and korean public are very much accepting of this largely due to the immense domestic success of boys planet where mnet always mentioned the new bg will start 5th gen in kpop.furthermore if one analyse certain aspects of fan cultures,company strategies regarding groups branding and promotions specifically and even the treatment trainees and idols receives,Its evident that there has been a huge shift in the kpop mainstream scene since 2018 up until now.The changes in 4th gen over the past 5 years have been brought in 3 phases,THE PRE COVID PHASE where groups like itzy,izone,skz and txt debuted,their promotion and debue starategies were very much similar to the 3rd gen but with very different concepts,music direction and styling and they were new face of the big companies like itzy after twice,txt after bts,all of them debuting after the seniors had already established a successful careers and were respectfully could be named as a generation that was revolutionary.following it is the COVID PHASE,where groups like treasure,aespa and enhypen debuted when the groups like txt skz and itzy have successfully managed to attract kpop fans and public towards the newer generations,it was the time when people antincipation of new groups was at the peak thats why it was for the first time that companies started investing lot more in debue projects,for example sm launching a whole new modern ai things and blended it with aespa,something so new and never thought of OR yg launching treasure by a debue project releasing 4 title tracks in 3 single albums and 1 album within just a span of 6 months and both of them having real high budgets music videos and greatly invested ,this phase also marked the beginning of online concerts and fancalls and the shift towards social media as the chief tool for promotion started becoming significant which actually has peaked WITH THE POST COVID PHASE marked by the launch of ive,nmixx,kepler,new jeans and lesserafim,now this phase further shifted kpop towards a whole different aesthetic which itself is vastly different from idle or skz back in 2018 even though they are called the same generation,this phase is when the the music and mvs started getting stylised into something that will target not specific fans but the whole general public,now its common for idols participation in their songs,idols can leave easily,many companies are well established and many groups are popular,groups have began to specify a certain sound and branding with themselves and THIS CANNOT BE IGNORED AS THE PEAK,Now after this from now on if a new groups debue placing them with same space with earlier groups sounds a bit forced acknowleding the certain and significant changes that we have lead into.MOREOVER mnet has a position in the industry,if they remarks the beginning of 5th gen,every other company is gonna follow that cause everyone wants their newer groups to be a fresh beginning in the scene of kpop, in shows like mama mnet will promote furthermore zb1 and other new groups as 5th gen and that people thinking its still 4th gen wont change a shit cause kpop and korean public has already accepted this,now there will not be a company coming out in 2025 and will say hey this is our group and they will start the real 5th gen like thats aint happening,THE GROUPS THAT WILL NOW LAUNCH WILL ALREADY HAVE THE CHANGES ABSORBED INTO THEIR PROMOTION SINCE BEGINNING AND WITH THAT ITS ALSO TO BE NOTED THAT TODAY WE HAVE A WHOLE NEW GENERATION OF FANS EMERGING TOO SO ITS RIGHTFUL TO ACCEPT THE 5TH GEN AND EXPERIENCE THE TOUCH IT WILL GIVE TO KPOP AND THE WAY KPOP WILL BE SHAPED IN FUTURE BY THEM BEING ALREADY EQUIPPED WITH MODERN AND TRENDY STRATEGIES
This. Mnet has a huge influence on the industry, and while I agree with others that Mnet is saying 5th gen as a marketing ploy and they're not trustworthy due to the Produce scandal, I'm also not naive enough to think their words won't have huge impact. They'll be banging the 5th gen drum at Mcountdown--the supposed #1 weekly music show, the MAMAs, and every Kcon (which is organized by their parent company). Additionally, generations are by no means clear cut. Some people believe in.half gens, others don't. Some think gens are based in industry changes, but disagree as to which changes actually mark the new gens. Some don't even think it's based on changes, but by a fixed number of years or when the big companies create new groups. The cut offs are also debated--was the Boyz the first bg in 4th gen? Was 2018 the cut off? 2019 as a commenter here has stated? With so much ambiguity, there isn't even a consistent argument to stem the tide. BTW, loved your explanation as to the phases of the 4th gen.
need this comment tattooed on my scalp. thank you thank you and a million and the thanks you for this educational accurate and brilliant insight and breakdown of the generations
It is simply not possible to like all members in the group the same amount. It is just called being biased. As long as they don’t insult the other members for quote unquote stealing jobs from their bias or something in this line, it is fine to find some member(s) more attractive than the others.
as kpop stans we get overly attactched to groups and idols. so obviously that person would sacrifice ive and le sserafim to have izone back, because they stanned them and was sad that they disbanded. but like... a lot of people would agree that le sserafim and ive's concepts and songs are a lot better than izone's. i'm sure there a lot of people who would sacrifice pretty much all kpop groups and their own mothers to have loona back lol but that's because of the emotional attachment, it clouds your ability to see things objectively
I know people are going to hunt me down with pitchforks for this, but I think Momo and Sana from Twice overdo it with dancing. This does NOT take away from their skills because everyone says their technique is awesome. Since I am not a not dancer, I just believe the experts.
But the face expressions are sometimes a bit…. Well, nothing wrong with sex, but it shouldn’t look like you’re just in the middle of it (in my opinion and preference). And to be honest, I get the second hand embarrassment and I too look away when Sana and Momo lines come up…. And focus instead on Jihyo 😬😄 sorry guys….
Wow Jeonghan was also the member that would piss me off sometimes!
Mostly for his cheating during every games they play.
But now I just go with it
and think, “he’ll cheat anyway so why bother” 😂😂
in korea :
gen 3 : twice, redvelvet, blackpink, mamamoo...
gen 3.5 : idle, loona, fromis9, itzy(controversial 3.5 or 4) everglow, izone...
gen 4 : aespa, stayc, ive, lesserafim, kep1er, nmix, newjeans...
(I only know about girl groups, and the generation of girl groups and boy groups does not always match.)
at first, the typical contract is seven years. Therefore, the generation cycle is seven years, which is mainly based on girl groups with strong labels.(traditionally SM, JYP, YG) but I agree that this cycle is getting shorter. Personally, I think generation 4.5 is starting, assuming that both aespa and newjeans are in the same generation.(Newjeans and Ive, one of the most successful girl groups in Korea, cannot be called the 4.5th generation.)
The first example of generation 4.5 would be fifty-fifty. They were first recognized by countless K-pop listeners around the world. and thanks to them, they gained recognition in Korea. This is a very exceptional way. If similar cases are repeated, this will mean the emergence of a new generation(4.5gen). Labels that follow fifty-fifty's approach will create a girl group that focuses on world-friendly marketing.
As I finish writing, I hope my opinion was conveyed well through the translator. And I understand that standards may differ in distinguishing K-pop generations in Korea and other countries. I just wanted to tell you how to distinguish in Korea.
Jennie said in an interview I think that you and me was recorded 3 years ago
Also not that good of a marketing move I think bc as soon as that got known my timeline was full of people just wanting to know which ex its about and saying poor jennie has to perform a song about a relationship thats already over bc blackpink has so little songs
"I think it's absurd that we're in fifth gen" fucking... why. Why does it matter.
58:06 Adding on to this, it's hard to love every single member equally, especially if they're a big group. 11/12/13 members is alot, you aren't always gonna vibe personally. Support every member yes, but it's just unrealistic for that love & support to be equal
About the westen consultation: why make it so complicated, like my friends and I if we buy shirts that have writing in another language just google it. Maybe a research assistent would be enough
Just randoms thoughts:
- I don't think we will see a crazy shift in visuals (like you both mentioned the Eyeliner alot). Korea adapted to the "western" fashion world from 2nd to 3rd Gen alot and it is a really smooth transition, almost not noticable in my opinion.
- I do think we are heading towards 5th Gen/are at the early beginnings of it.
2nd Gen was 2003-2012, 3rd Gen was 2012-2018, 4th Gen started 2018 (these dates are the most agreed ones by fans, not my opinion) and technicially there is a trend of shorter generations moving forward. The world turned faster in the last 20 years with all the technology and globalization.
So in my opinion it isn't early for 5th Gen. A "K-Pop-Gen" isn't like a human generation - a human generation should be around 20-30 years, so your kids can grow up and start to get their own children, which would mean a new generation is born. But let's even break it down to 10 years for a generation, it still doesn't match with K-Pop-Standards.
- We do have some very crucial changes that could be considered typical 5th Gen aswell:
Very young idols debut much more often
Groups can get viral so much easier, especially with Tiktok
The sound changed from a dance-heavy (4th Gen goes wild with the dancing and noisy sound) to more casual listens and vocal-focus.
Spotify-Streams seems to matter MUCH more than TH-cam-MV-Views nowadays.
If anybody even reads this, feel free to comment down your opinions too, this is very interesting to me since i literally heard that 5th Gen started already here and there for maybe around a year now, especially with the crazy hype that was New Jeans.
The thing is, if we follow this logic, then 5th Gen already started last year by Newjeans (minors, easy hearing) , Fifty Fifty (viral, vocal focus). But Media and journalists don't talk about those moment as the birth of 5th Gen when New Jeans LITTERALY created a shift in the whole industry (like you said)
The thing that pisses me off about the 5th Gen is that it's a construct by companies (Mnet doesn't even hide it) to make sure their boygroups can distinct themselves and have a clear path tisolated from the competition
4th gen is the generation of BEASTS, and is already saturated w/ a TONS of successful groups. As a 4th Gen Rookie, you'll have to compete w/ Ive, Le Sserafim, Iz*one, Ateez, Stray Kids, Txt, Enhyphen, Gidle, Itzy, Everglow, StayC, (etc), AND New Jeans AND Fifty FIfty that they want to stuck as 4th Gen
People even talk about how rookie boygroups have hard times to grow big unlike GG. Rookie Award shows were talked a lot last year bc of that.
Journalists even explicitly say that they talk about 5th Gen as a "Boygroup Generation" as opposed to the 4th Gen that is "Girlgroup dominated". They build the 5th Gen around BG debuting in 2023 only bc a lot of big companies planed to debut their new BG, completly disregarding the reality of the kpop stage right now : New Jeans changed the industry BIG time.
I'm not a NWJS fan by far, but I find it so ridiculous how they talk about this new wave of boygroup that will bring refreshing sound and change the industry...when this shift already happened with NWJS...But again, bc 5th Gen is a strategy marketing to clear the path for the upcoming BG's wave, then it can't be possible to place Fifty Fifty and NewJeans as 5th Gen : the achievements are already too big and those new rookie Bg can't be the "biggest 5th Gen group", the "1st to do xxx", etc etc
Sorry for the whole book ^^'
To summarize : I agree that something shifted and we may are entering in a 5th Gen. But It's so obvious how companies/Medias try to make it a "Boygroup generation" by arbitrary starting it in 2023, predicting a shift that already happened but that the journalists put it as the consequences of grousp that still didn't debuted or worst, already debuted but don't show at all those "5th gen shifts"
I agree. It seems like a lot of new groups are trying to move back toward a live performance standard as well. Also, it does seem that the generations are getting shorter.
@@debow5042I'm a boy group stan, but I agree that New Jeans and Fifty-Fifty seem to be part of the changes. They may end up being like BTS and NCT who, while being part of 3rd gen, obviously led the move toward 4th gen's performance focus, or they may end up retroactively be called part of the 5th if it seems like enough other groups debuting around those two were also changing in similar ways.
1- I wouldn't really ''sacrifice'' both grps to get Iz back, but I would really love a reunion they are too good to be forgiven, even tho I wasn't THAT into 'em bc I knew they were going to disband so I didn't really want to stick with 'em a lot just like how I'm doing with kep, like I love the girls I love the music but I just try as much as I can to not stick with 'em a lot, just like what I'm planning to do with zb1 I did watch both shows so I'm starting to rlly get into bth grps, but I don't want that to happen
2- I think the same, I just don't get it why ppl are just too impatient and want to move on like it's only been 5 years into 4th gen and as far as ik we move on to the next gen when we start seeing some VERY big improvements and changes in the visuals the concepts the style the trend the everything like we didn't just say oh 2018 is 4th gen like they said it took so much time to confirm that we officially moved on from gens, and just bc Msnakes said that zb1 are 5th gen or just promoted them as 5th gen leaders means that we will just go along with them like they don't fucking own kpop, I genuinely don't get it like literally why do I see this topic EVERYWHERE this past week like everyone just want to move on asap, and I always believed that 4th gen will be the longest gen in kpop so far bc everyone is just sticking to the same style and follows the trend and tries the most guaranteed path and easiest to follow even if a grp adopt a new concept it's usually like 2 or 3 that actually sticks to that concept and they don't take a long time before moving on, like some started saying we hit 5th gen after Mave's debut bc it's an AI and cgi but if we really want to say that why won't we say that 5th gen actually started with aespa they were the 1st to adopt this concept and made it so popular, so I just don't really get it what's up with ppl
3- YES YES YES and a big YES, just bc someone is super disrespectful towards your faves doesn't allow or give you the right to insult theirs back, I really don't get like you can't stand up for toxic with toxic, it just doesn't make sense, it's really so funny bc at the beginning it wasn't this toxic but now that kpop is becoming more global the so called ''kpop fans'' are just being more and more toxic, bringing that weird way of stanning western artists and trying to force it into kpop and they were able to do so, now I can literally not say any joke abt any grp in another grp's content I just can't bring up any other names even tho if it actually did have something to do with the topic but if I just did ppl will go CRAZY and be all toxic as if I committed a cr''i''me, but I still don't agree with what that person did say, I just said it in my own way,
4- I don't really find it like that horrible, but I do agree it's just like useless I mean it changes nothing although my faves are bp so this is coming from like a 6 years blink, just so that ppl don't get me wrong that's why I'm saying this, but I do agree, the f word is just there chillin' like it changes nothing and I feel like most ppl saying they want it to be dropped and like are so hyped up about it are all just baby blinks ig or baby kpop stans, they just still think that kpop idols are 100 innocent and they just don't swear or wtsv, but old kpop stans are just kinda more chill bout it and think it's normal, so that's why i think there are so many ppl being hyped up about and some are just like they don't fucking care
5- I thought the same at 1st, tbh when nj just debuted all their songs I was like wtf is wrong with hybe, I really didn't like them I even stopped watching them for a moment, like when I heard the whole hype boy I was like what the fuck is this shit, I was like ew, it sounded like an original instrumental mixed up with the reverse of it, so I was like nah I ain't listening to this, but after like randomly listening to it I found it actually good, but idk if I'm just used to it, bc usually the 1st reaction is the real one ig, but after that it just becomes normal to your ears it's not bc you actually like it, you are just being used to it, but actually cookie is my fav nj song lol, I really like it, it was actually the 1st nj song that I didn't have a weird reaction toward it, I loved it from the 1st listen lol
6- I lowkey agree with this, I would rather see someone under dancing than over dancing, it just ruins the whole vibe, but not too much under dancing tho
7- I actually really like it, but I do think the same too, it's definitely a sample not the official thing either way it's one of those songs that are meant to be performed only once and never get released, but I do like it actually,
8- No comment, I just don't agree
9-yeah ig that's fine, like as long as you don't hate on another member, like I remember when I was in 9th grade, at that time true beauty was still airing, and I had a friend she literally hated kpop, but her cousin would keep sending her k-pop related videos, and by chance she once watched the 1st ep of true beauty and loved it, and by time she started asking me about it she knew I was watching it, and I told her that eunwoo is actually a kpop idol too, bc she started watching all of his dramas and thought he was just an actor, so she started listening to astro's songs and literally watching all eunwoo's fancams, end everything related to him, she would say that she became an aroha, and loves all the members and loves their songs but I could tell she was a solo stan from what she does, she would literally call moonbin sanha and rocky moonbin, and thought that MJ and jinjin are the same person bc their names are supposed to be the same from her pov ig that's what she said, she knew everything abt eunwoo, and says she is an aroha yet still didn't know when they debuted, but knows everything abt the 1st drama that eunwoo had, so jokingly I asked her what woo left astro she said then I'll lose interest, that's when I was like yep she is definitely a solo stan, yet I don't find it a big problem bc she never hated on any of the other members despite the fact that I already said, she was a kpop hater, also she never had any interests in other grps, all she watched was eunwoo, but still she would still compliment other members and literally never said anything bad even if it was a joke neverrr, so I think it's really fine, as long as you don't hate on another member bc he got more lines that your bias ig, or bc your bias was being ghosted in a cb, it's not the other members fault that your bias was under promoted or ''forgotten'' if it was the right word, and it is completely normal to be super in love with a member but there just one specific member just makes you go like ugh, it's fucking completely normal, let's normalize being a solo stan with no hate instead of normalizing a fucking eunchae being 16 y\o and showing too much skin and dancing to a song that is way mature than her age, let's normalize loving only a few members of a grp instead of fucking normalizing hating on an idol just bc they got smtg done, it's as normal as drinking water, like having something done is like permanent make up same goes for stanning one member of a grp, but come on let's stick with won, since angelina gave her as an exp, come on do you think Ive were going to be that popular without them having won and yujin, and same goes foe lssfm do you think anyone was going to give a shit abt if they didn't have sakura and chae, yeah more ppl love them now but the 1st hype was all bc of the wiz. they were all excited to see the girls again, and Ive literally get millions of views b of won like no hate, no offense but I'm speaking facts, so being a solo stan actually helps the grp
sh''it I wrote a lot, hope yt lets me post it lol and hope he doesn't delete it bc I said some very not good words lol, but I had to watch every chapter and like think wisely abt what is my pov on it, ik probably no one is going to read all of this but if anyone does tysm
i won't bring back Izone, i know them and love specially la vie en rose, they made their sound i think but i won't disband specially Ive to bring back Izone! Because they were enough successful and there are too many members and i prefer IVE to Izone
21:45 Orbits 🤷
4th Gen is the Second girl group renaissance.
Angelina how do you feel about jennie and taehyung???
If you want to prevent your idols from wearing problematic clothes...look up whats written on them. You know, just because you found it in a thrift store and it looks vintage doesn't mean you actually want to put it on your body. I definitely don't expect people to know everything but the fact that some people seem too lazy to do a quick google search just comes off as ignorant, especially considering that it is their job to work with clothes (Like they probably spend a good amount of time putting together these outfits and do not think of researching the symbols they clearly do not understand). And its not just about symbols, if chaeyoung had actually taken the time to look up who that dude was on the other shirt I don't think she would have worn it (at least I hope so) - Sid vicious was a junkie that abused and killed his girlfriend, beat a journalist with a bicycle chain and wore nazi symbols for shock value.
Like I said, not everybody is perfectly educated on americas right wing-politics or punk bands but don't just walk around wearing shit you don't understand, especially if you have unlimited access to this type information.
why do people spend a lot of time making fan pages and fan girling and fan boying after kpop groups
I don’t agree that international fans made kpop more toxic. On a surface level, yes, cause obviously more attention to a toxic industry ( most industries r toxic so let’s not pretend like k pop is the unhealthiest thing to ever exist ) will bring about more toxicity. HOWEVER, I feel like international fans have literally made kpop mainstream. Like would LOONA have been able to battle out their slave contracts without international fans. Yeah I didn’t think so. Like this is such a biased opinion. It’s giving ‘I’m upset that y’all like black pink and not red velvet y’all have no taste’. Something like that. The industry was always toxic, but it’s toxic because of the fans, in other words the fans have a lot of power, which also means that idols have more backing to stand up for themselves. As for us funding and enabling a toxic industry, well yes, but y’all need to stop pretending that the Korean industry is like somehow ten times worse than the western industries. That mentality has undertones of ignorance and literal prejudice cause what makes you think Koreans are like in a squid game or something but western artists r just like having tea parties…
Omega X too.
Angelina name drop the ateez member anyways cause now I’m curious 😭😭😭😭 in the beginning I did have an ick with Wooyoung and then with Mingi but then they became my favorite people ever it’s kinda funny
Patrick! 💕
i agree with the first one but then again i would sacrifice EVERYTHING for izone so yk take it w a grain of salt..
its annoying to hear the “izone was meant to be disbanded” and compare it to other produce groups because WE LOST so much time with them due to the long hiatus and corona virus..
@@umne9262 YEAH like imagine the songs we could've got during that time! But alas, as a wiz*one I can do nothing but support IVE/lesserafim and replay Fiesta, Highlight, Violeta and Sequence 😭
@@Quon yes ofc im extremely grateful both post-izone groups are doing well and i love them i just wish people had more respect/understanding for wizones
i agree with the fact we're still in 4th gen! Some people claims we're in 5th gen with baby monster and the boysband from boys planet mnet survival show but wtf, Baby monster haven't debuted yet and same with the boysband from boys planet, i don't watch it, i heard their name but forget it
Not an iz*one fan. More curious about them because of former members in Ive and Le Sserafim and the soloists, Kwon Eunbi, Yena, and Chaeyeon though.
Yuri too!
i think the person in the last post was referring to akgaes -- which are mean and hateful solo stans, as opposed to the ones that just support one person/mainly one person in a group.
Crazy that Kpop is about to enter 5th gen but 4th gen has yet to have THAT big group
2018 when 4th gen started and as we all know, that was also the time that BTS fully break out in the international scene. From then on, some said that Kpop Year End award shows became so boring because they grab almost all of the Daesangs from 2017 - 2022. Now that they are in a temporary rest as a group due to military, despite huge achievements of these rookie groups, lots of 4th gen groups who debuted first are still not able to have that one big break.
I dunno, I'm not saying it's BTS fault but I just feel that 4th gen didn't really have that time to shine because of them.
To think that in less than 2 years, BTS is coming back as a full group and that's supposed to be the time that 5th gen is starting to ripen... like, we are in for a treat lol
I thought pink venom was love and black venom was hate going straight to your brain and overwhelming you. I feel so lost. 😅
it is still 4th gen
also agree with the hype boy opinion it took me many listens to like it sorry 😭😭 the only parts i actually liked initially were minji’s parts
I feel like we are already 2 years into the 5th gen since Big 4 groups keep debuting and having million-selling albums within a year. I can't look at (G)I-DLE/ITZY and NewJeans/BABYMONSTER as "peers" of the same generation.
the whole conversation about sacraficing ive & le sserafim to get izone back is such a difficult topic.
izone was top tier and had so many good songs, and yes, i wish they would come back. i also believe the chemistry of the izone members were much more stronger than ive and le sserafim (especially le sserafim from what i see as a casual listener and viewer).
however, ive and le sserafim are top tier as well. especially ive who i have grown to love and stan since kitsch release after just being a casual listener. my opinion is on the fence because i love all three groups.
Huh?
i related to hating one member of a group like I use to hate Twice Chaeyoung because she had ugly hair for alot of their comebacks
Angelina, I think you're right that if it's your job to know then you have to know, but I just want to mention that your example with knowing about US politics and stuff like that isn't a particularly good example. The US as the current super power of the world have their news spread everywhere so pretty much the entire globe hear about news in the US on a weekly (nearly daily) basis, but this doesn't happen with all other countries, even very big and important ones, and particularly Americans tend to not know anything about what's happening outside the US. Think about whether you would know about the current political climate in Brasil, South Africa, or Thailand and you'll realize that the knowledge you have of political climates (and by extension what you would need to be careful about when presenting celebrities) outside your own country and the US is really limited. Anyway, it's not that I think your point is wrong, I just thought your argument needed some work 😅
my point was is even by not trying, i know these things, if it was someone’s job to know these things, it wouldn’t be unreasonable for them to know! you know? LOL 💕
here's my opinion about generations
1st gen: 1990-2000
gen 1.5: 2000-2005
2nd gen: 2005-2010
gen 2.5: 2010-2014
3rd gen: 2014-2016
gen 3.5: 2016-2018
4th gen: 2018-2022
gen 4.5: 2022-2024
5th gen: starts around 2025
All 2023 debuted groups are 5th generation
No we are not lol its literally only been 2 years
If we are in 5th gen... no one led 4tth gen
No need for a lead the room is big for everyone
What flower boys did she mean that she disliked?? Like effeminate men ?
I don't really know how to express it to be honnest. It's more the feeling that I don't like. So i'll try to write it 😬
The thing is more the people's reaction towards the flower boy of the group that i don't really like.
Flower boys are the pretty face of the group, kinda the visual.
Usually people (fans or first reactors of the group) like them (the flower boy) at first glance because they are "too pretty" but as soon as the flower boy change their look, people can't recognize them, so they don't really see the full potential of the idol, they just see the look. They are just the "flower boy" and I don't like the fact that the idol himself stick to the concept, cause it feels like they are kinda loosing themselves to that stereotype or etiquette. They don't want to (or maybe can't because of the company) break out of it.
But when they do break out of that "flower boy bubble" they are soooo much more powerful and strong on stage and that's where they really shine. 🙈
I guess it's more the attitude (of the people toward them) that i don't really vibe with, not the look. They are soooo much more than that💕
@@audreyskarma ohh ok thanks 4 explaining
I also hate the hype boy chorus, I feel like the pitch just sounds weird and too high, but other than that I love new jeans' music
Yeah zb1 themselves say they’re 5th gen. complete bs
that's becuz they were told to say that.💀
lmao 2018-2022 was 4th gen and it's 5th gen now, move on
She your twins sister 😂