Unfortunately, Kevin is right. These folks are too deep in the rabbit hole to see reality, and you need a unbiased outsider to show you the real picture
you realize these shows they have about 10 cameras on the dude and they cut the footage to make it look like they are reacting directly to critisism etc.
@@salemkid1979 lol... no cause if you paid attention the question to what Kevin was asking had an INSTANT reaction towards the pitcher's brother. Yes, I am aware this show does ALOT of editing, and cut to their faces for certain reactions. But, for this one, just go to that one question, and see the response time.
@@fpshooterful that can easily be a reaction to something else one of the dragons said. I bet the brother gave his answer immediately being asked the question. They just editied this way for dramatic effect. Otherwise, someone would have commented on the long pause.
@@Packerfan130 NOT sure what you're talking about? So, I just made sure to watch that certain part again 2:41, incase you and anyone else who is doubtful. JUST go back to that mark, look at it, I DON'T see any edits. Just one NORMAL conversation about business 101. Kevin asked straight up,"true or false", having family members is never good for business. Camera cuts RIGHT away to the other brother, you see the hesitation on his face, then his older brother (main pitcher) responses first, but Kevins response back asking can't I hear what your brother as to say. To which the young brothers AGREES to Kevin's question, end of story. Not sure why there should be this "false edit". Although i do know it happens in this show, but in this case, you don't see it. Also, why give a "false edit"? This is a pretty common question to be asked in any business. Again, you see the brothers response RIGHT AWAY. With that facial expression. I mean the other brother even said "TRUE" to Kevin's question. Pretty much agreeing with him 100%. SO not sure what you or others deniers are all about?
Kevin can be abrasive at times, but he was right on the money here. This is a failed business. In addition, the fact that he is not a "football expert" is totally irrelevant.
12.5k units over 3 years is actually pretty impressive for a no-name board game company (for reference, many kickstarters fund with less than a tenth of that). It's not investible, but that's the industry. For this to work, they'd need to get on a crowdfunding site so they can get paid in advance from consumers and cut out the retailer, as well as for the world distribution network to not be complete dogshit right now.
While I suspect this was fairly heavily edited because it seems we are missing a lot of information; I do agree with Kevin. He may have been abrasive, he was 100% spot on. The brothers didn’t have a business, they had a cash sucking operation and nothing more. Kevin was right when he said “numbers don’t lie”. The brothers failed miserably, they were in screaming denial, and it also makes me wonder what happened to them after the show.
@@titusmccarthy no he isn’t. He’s harsh but honest. Sometimes it hurts to hear the truth. I would think Kevin would be more rude if he told somebody to pursue an idea that didn’t work.
@@roldanelvis2449no, he just getting old, like Simon Cowell. They're getting soft with age. And If you're really watch Shark Tank you know all the Shark is amused and entertained when Kevin is right and choose being rude
OMG Robert the philosopher of ultimate truth: You are not alive and you're not dead. That is the problem.' I've had those days. Didn't cost me a penny either. That brother didn't answer the question, but he did. Ouch.
These meetings usually go anywhere from 45 minutes to two hours. And most of the talk is statistics and pre-due-diligence talk. Not the most exciting thing to put on TV.
Nothing wrong with Kevin here at all. If you knew him as a business man you gotta pitch to him real numbers sales and an opportunity for him to make some money. People think that Kevin is rude and cocky but he really is speaking facts. If you want to borrow their money you gotta have a realistic pitch and No BS or what ifs.
To be fair, they sold 13.000 without spending anything on advertisement. He should've focused way more on that fact. + with the reach of the dragons they would've easily sold 30.000 by the end of the year. It's a good and fun product, the problem is that they need someone who can market it more. The product sells itself, but you actually need to show people that the product exist.
"With the reach of the dragons they would've easily sold 30.000 by the end of the year" - You could say that about a lot of products because the Dragon bring the value. THEY NEEDED the dragons to invest just to move a small amount more product. The dragons have high value, the main guy and the game have little to no real value.
@c exactly, 3 years is a very long time, people move on especially kids really quick and board games like this wont last let alone a 2 player only board game , ppl might as well buy a foosball
I think he said 200k lifetime revenue. But I don’t think the video covered his gross profit or net profit. That context would have helped a lot more to understand Kevin’s rant.
I have a question. Didn't you guys have a channel where you uploaded all of these videos years ago? I remember watching all of these episodes years ago.
Robert trying to be tough toward Kevin. SMH. Kevin was honest and the guy kept getting more personal with him. Robert did the same thing to Mark on Shark Tank and tried to lecture him too.
He’s saying “you’re not alive” meaning his business isn’t thriving “but you’re not dead” meaning they are making some money. Basically they are scratching the surface and making some money, maybe even barely breaking even, but the business itself isn’t growing or thriving and they’re building it up to seem better than it is.
Shark Tank, Dragon Den...you actually are at the mercy of the people you trying to get money/help from. Not only that, but they are far more educated on what sells. Kevin was RIGHT. Also, being in a shark/dragon position is serious. You are investing your own money and so being nice isn't priority one. And this is coming from a compassionate person. Money is serious business.
they are specially designed for those with extreme light-sensitivity. the narrator explains it in the very beginning. it wasn’t his choice unfortunately
put kevin in his place? kevin was trying to save him from throwing more money down the drain and the guy went on about board games and soccer when it's about business.
they are specially designed for those with extreme light-sensitivity. the narrator explains it in the very beginning. it wasn’t his choice unfortunately
It’s hilarious how the person who was asking for money telling the potential “lender/investor” that the person doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Lol… Here’s my two cent opinion, if you WERE so smart, you would at least know to keep your mouth shut when you are the one who asking for their money.
GOOD board games have a small cult following among 25-50 year old men. You're right, this is not going to sell in any amount. BGs don't appeal to kids and this won't appeal to the middle age group.
Lmao i know right? The dragons should've been like okay buddy let's do a test. Grab a copy of fifa and a copy of this boardgame and go to sctual kids and ask which one they want
Even worse, Fifa and the like have been around for a long time. Generations have grown up, at this point, playing soccer related videogames and with time they have only become better. Even when they were basic, they'd still beat a board game.
Sorry but he is rude always, he has to much ego thinking he is better then anyone else.. because he got lucky and money to much, I bet this jerk never donate a penny to a good cause if he does not get something out of it or is obligated
Nor does he have to. He earned everything he has and giving it away would not make him good, it makes you a fool. Why don't you give away your life savings if you're sooo righteous?
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“This is not your kitchen. It’s a TV show” 😂😂
Yes it is! This is MY money, you want to get to THIS side of the stage. We can do whatever we want.
Unless the show is 100% fake, that guy was completely ignorant on how the whole thing works. 😆
@@bentuck7929lmfao
The physical distance between the 2 was symbolic. The brother I don't think had his heart in the idea but was only there out of obligation or love.
A seeing eye dog would have been more helpful...
One lives in Nova Scotia, the other in BC. Now that's even more telling.
@gunshotlagoon922 what? That there wives or jobs are there?
If they were standing closer, what would you have said?
Unfortunately, Kevin is right. These folks are too deep in the rabbit hole to see reality, and you need a unbiased outsider to show you the real picture
I suspect his vision was gone long before his sight.
You can tell when Kevin asked this pitchers brother if he would continue to invest etc, the brother had lots of doubts through his facial expression.
you realize these shows they have about 10 cameras on the dude and they cut the footage to make it look like they are reacting directly to critisism etc.
@@salemkid1979 lol... no cause if you paid attention the question to what Kevin was asking had an INSTANT reaction towards the pitcher's brother. Yes, I am aware this show does ALOT of editing, and cut to their faces for certain reactions. But, for this one, just go to that one question, and see the response time.
@@fpshooterful that can easily be a reaction to something else one of the dragons said. I bet the brother gave his answer immediately being asked the question. They just editied this way for dramatic effect. Otherwise, someone would have commented on the long pause.
@@Packerfan130 NOT sure what you're talking about? So, I just made sure to watch that certain part again 2:41, incase you and anyone else who is doubtful. JUST go back to that mark, look at it, I DON'T see any edits. Just one NORMAL conversation about business 101. Kevin asked straight up,"true or false", having family members is never good for business. Camera cuts RIGHT away to the other brother, you see the hesitation on his face, then his older brother (main pitcher) responses first, but Kevins response back asking can't I hear what your brother as to say. To which the young brothers AGREES to Kevin's question, end of story. Not sure why there should be this "false edit". Although i do know it happens in this show, but in this case, you don't see it. Also, why give a "false edit"? This is a pretty common question to be asked in any business.
Again, you see the brothers response RIGHT AWAY. With that facial expression. I mean the other brother even said "TRUE" to Kevin's question. Pretty much agreeing with him 100%. SO not sure what you or others deniers are all about?
@@Packerfan130 not everything is that orchestrated, no
Kevin was actually being nice here. People just can't accept the honest truth.
It’s not about what the supposed “truth” is. It’s a matter of consistently interrupting and being entitled.
When one potential partner calls another potential partner a liar, there's nothing else to discuss.
Kevin can be abrasive at times, but he was right on the money here. This is a failed business. In addition, the fact that he is not a "football expert" is totally irrelevant.
This feels like a Twitter argument between Randy and Kevin.
12.5k units over 3 years is actually pretty impressive for a no-name board game company (for reference, many kickstarters fund with less than a tenth of that). It's not investible, but that's the industry. For this to work, they'd need to get on a crowdfunding site so they can get paid in advance from consumers and cut out the retailer, as well as for the world distribution network to not be complete dogshit right now.
Agreed. It’s a tough industry. I also don’t think it was really investable
if they asked for lower money maybe theyll invest
You could license it to a large game producer.
Kevin really carried this show.
Kevin is a sociopath.
While I suspect this was fairly heavily edited because it seems we are missing a lot of information; I do agree with Kevin. He may have been abrasive, he was 100% spot on. The brothers didn’t have a business, they had a cash sucking operation and nothing more. Kevin was right when he said “numbers don’t lie”.
The brothers failed miserably, they were in screaming denial, and it also makes me wonder what happened to them after the show.
And Barbara's out on this deal, too.
*”YA COME INTO MY KITCHEN BUDDY YOU GOTTA TAKE THE HEAT”* 💀💀
What a rude bunch of people
@@timothyodonnell3114 Kevin is RUDE.
@@titusmccarthy no he isn’t. He’s harsh but honest. Sometimes it hurts to hear the truth. I would think Kevin would be more rude if he told somebody to pursue an idea that didn’t work.
If that's how this fool talks to potential investors, I can only cringe at how he must interact with customers! A tragic allergy to good advice.
Investors are one group of people you need 100% humility. Especially FAT CAT investors with experience.
I love how Kevin seems more brutally honest on Dragons Den compared to Shark Tank.
@@roldanelvis2449 Jesus Christ delete this comment please
@@roldanelvis2449no, he just getting old, like Simon Cowell. They're getting soft with age. And If you're really watch Shark Tank you know all the Shark is amused and entertained when Kevin is right and choose being rude
OMG Robert the philosopher of ultimate truth: You are not alive and you're not dead. That is the problem.' I've had those days. Didn't cost me a penny either. That brother didn't answer the question, but he did. Ouch.
All these years of following Kevin O'Leary, and only just now I find out that he has a Special Time Wand??? WTF This is incredible!
Kevin was tame, they havent seen him at his full power lmao
That's what I am talking about: Only Kevin can spice up a show!
the aptly named McPhail.
It’s weird hearing them talking about Zellers now that it’s gone
in this episode you can see how much these dragons care about what the other thinks. fear of man goes deep in these dragons....
This was majorly edited! I would have liked to have seen the entire presentation!
These meetings usually go anywhere from 45 minutes to two hours. And most of the talk is statistics and pre-due-diligence talk. Not the most exciting thing to put on TV.
They are all majorly edited 😋
@@juanisraelortiz Wow really? Yowza...
Nothing wrong with Kevin here at all. If you knew him as a business man you gotta pitch to him real numbers sales and an opportunity for him to make some money. People think that Kevin is rude and cocky but he really is speaking facts. If you want to borrow their money you gotta have a realistic pitch and No BS or what ifs.
I know Kevin is Canadian, but this really felt like a cultural battle of decency between the US and Canada
To be fair, they sold 13.000 without spending anything on advertisement. He should've focused way more on that fact. + with the reach of the dragons they would've easily sold 30.000 by the end of the year. It's a good and fun product, the problem is that they need someone who can market it more. The product sells itself, but you actually need to show people that the product exist.
"With the reach of the dragons they would've easily sold 30.000 by the end of the year" - You could say that about a lot of products because the Dragon bring the value. THEY NEEDED the dragons to invest just to move a small amount more product. The dragons have high value, the main guy and the game have little to no real value.
but in 3 years lol
@c exactly, 3 years is a very long time, people move on especially kids really quick and board games like this wont last let alone a 2 player only board game , ppl might as well buy a foosball
I think he said 200k lifetime revenue. But I don’t think the video covered his gross profit or net profit. That context would have helped a lot more to understand Kevin’s rant.
Robert confronting Kevin after, he hit the nail there
Randy told Kevin he was lying. In reality, he was lying to himself.
Why is this video sped up?
ZELLER'S?! This is old!!
Very OLD.
This made me love dragons den as well as Kevin
I have a question. Didn't you guys have a channel where you uploaded all of these videos years ago? I remember watching all of these episodes years ago.
as tough as it is, sunk loss fallacy is a real thing
What's the deal with the tape over the eyes?
It’s a fetish
i love kevin the most hes my most favorite shark, i wish he could take me under his wings and school me
It’s 2023, football manager & fifa exist
If only we could get John McFail to team up with Ginger Jobless, we’d have a winner!
This was literally the least rude Kevin O’leary. What a bunch of snowflakes.
Agreed. Kevin was actually being nice and very restrained.
Title Correction: "Kevin O'Leary TRIES TO Cause A Rift Between Sibling Duo"
He wants that 10k back.
And they come to the Den for investment!!!. OMG.
Robert trying to be tough toward Kevin. SMH. Kevin was honest and the guy kept getting more personal with him. Robert did the same thing to Mark on Shark Tank and tried to lecture him too.
He reminds me of Phil Helmuth
Hehe never sore that coming 😂
its the number 1 seller and the number 1 sport, what was their problem!
They were not as civil toward Elaine Murray and her game.
Yeah, they invested too much to let go. Blinded by ambition, won't be the first, won't be the last.
Don't invest in somebody that has the last name 'MacFail'
4:17 WTF?
He’s saying “you’re not alive” meaning his business isn’t thriving “but you’re not dead” meaning they are making some money. Basically they are scratching the surface and making some money, maybe even barely breaking even, but the business itself isn’t growing or thriving and they’re building it up to seem better than it is.
Shark Tank, Dragon Den...you actually are at the mercy of the people you trying to get money/help from.
Not only that, but they are far more educated on what sells. Kevin was RIGHT.
Also, being in a shark/dragon position is serious. You are investing your own money and so being nice isn't priority one. And this is coming from a compassionate person. Money is serious business.
The game was a success, had 10 editions at least and is still selling.
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What has he got on his eyes
handkerchief and sun glasses but I don't know why
@@badrrharri He's blind, you can see the other brother hold his arm to guide him out at the end of the video
Did you not listen? Don't as those types of questions
Clearly this guy has never played FIFA
I have the best blank in the world!
His glasses were comically strange
they are specially designed for those with extreme light-sensitivity. the narrator explains it in the very beginning. it wasn’t his choice unfortunately
Huge respect or the guy for putting Kevin in his place
put kevin in his place? kevin was trying to save him from throwing more money down the drain and the guy went on about board games and soccer when it's about business.
Sometimes mr wonderful is too much...
The inventor couldn't 'see' the problem
How is a board game _"realistic"_ ? lol
Selling a soccer game in Canada. Brilliant!
"Your not alive but not dead". Because of his blindness.
It looks boring as hell. Pass. Best line "Your not alive , but your not dead..."
I thought Canadians were nice
Canadians are actual people too. Weird concept but true.
lol nice one
Kevin Mcfail 😂
Spider-Man
Unfortunately the brother could not see clearly now
What is on his eyes? Genuine question. It looks like duct tape to me
they are specially designed for those with extreme light-sensitivity. the narrator explains it in the very beginning. it wasn’t his choice unfortunately
It’s hilarious how the person who was asking for money telling the potential “lender/investor” that the person doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Lol… Here’s my two cent opinion, if you WERE so smart, you would at least know to keep your mouth shut when you are the one who asking for their money.
Kevin really is insufferable.
I'm glad someone finally told Kevin he was arrogant. Phew!
They are really nasty to the blond guy
Subbuteo
He's using the disability card. If it were anybody else they would have slammed him.
A board game in an age where kids have Tik Tok ok sure
I think this was like before 2010.
GOOD board games have a small cult following among 25-50 year old men. You're right, this is not going to sell in any amount. BGs don't appeal to kids and this won't appeal to the middle age group.
Lmao i know right? The dragons should've been like okay buddy let's do a test. Grab a copy of fifa and a copy of this boardgame and go to sctual kids and ask which one they want
Even worse, Fifa and the like have been around for a long time. Generations have grown up, at this point, playing soccer related videogames and with time they have only become better.
Even when they were basic, they'd still beat a board game.
he is rude
The guys supposed to have an eye issue but he kinda looks a bit ridiculous.
Pardon? A disabled person you find "ridiculous"? STFU
@@withgoddess1119 Yes, this clown was absolutely ridiculous. Get off your high horse and stop being an SJW.
Tf
its football not soccer ughhh
I'm sure the blind guy votes blue.
Welll.....if we look at Kevin`s history he was not far off.
Kevin is not an business person per say, he has done a lot of shady deals tho
Sorry but he is rude always, he has to much ego thinking he is better then anyone else.. because he got lucky and money to much, I bet this jerk never donate a penny to a good cause if he does not get something out of it or is obligated
Are you talking about Kevin? He was spot on target here. This is not an investible business at all......and the inventory can't handle the truth.
Nor does he have to. He earned everything he has and giving it away would not make him good, it makes you a fool. Why don't you give away your life savings if you're sooo righteous?
I bet you're too busy being sugar daddy and wasting on asian women lel
Of course he is arrogant, ii am really surprised he has a family.
Kevin actually gives a shit ton of money every year to charities.