The .22lr is starting to really modernize a lot, and it’s impressive how this tiny round is so capable of so much now then just your regular ones years ago.
That "supersonic" stuff might indeed be "a little harder to group" at extended range... but I can tell you first hand that I've sent many a groundhog across the rainbow bridge launching CCI Stingers from a 1960's era Remington 10T Targetmaster with an old Weaver fixed 6X scope at 100 yards and more. Minute of angle is all well and good, but with a .22, Minute of Squirrel will suit me just fine.
“Across the rainbow bridge” lol, my preference for ground hogs is Remington 2 3/4 00 buck shot but I have a stock pile of stinger just in case I run out. I used stingers this summer on some muskrats and at 50 yards it drops them dead. Good stuff.
@@jimmyjohnson7041 200 is doable, but you really have to know your rifle and ammo, especially if it's a little breezy. Anything like a real windy day, you can forget it.
Aguila has been making a 30 grain round at a claimed 1750 fps for years. I've never sent them thru a chronograph myself, but they definitely hit harder than anything else I've ever used.
If you can keep them from jamming failure to feed. I've put 300 through 7 different 22LR rifles & pistols and the only that is remotely usable is the Ruger 10/22. And I would still have 2 or 3 FTF each 25 round mag. Not worth the risk when Stingers don't cost too much more and have zero issues. On close inspection the ridges at the base of the bullet are a few thousands larger than most other rounds. I assume this is the problem.
@@primeideasconsulting that's interesting, I've never had any issues with them in any of my guns. I had an early model P22 that would hardly cycle anything other than Aguila, Stingers, or Mini Mags. Both of my 10/22s fling them every time. My GSG 1911-22 has had zero issues. My H&K 416-22 also loves them. I've always loved them because I rarely have any issues with them. Oh, one last semi-auto... The Phoenix HP22 loves them as well (and any revolver I've shot them with). It's always bizarre to me how each gun kinda has its own personality with ammo 🤷♂️. I should add, I've been using Aguila for probably 15 years and have fired thousands of rounds of the hypersonic variety.
@@mot0rhe4d40 Not sure tbh if it's an isolated issue with my rounds. I doubt it but honestly, I haven't bought any others to check in fear of wasting more money.
@@CMB911 Glad to hear they work in your GSG. I have the Sig branded version which I have tweaked to shoot much more reliably. I'm going to give these a try in it.
@@CMB911 same here.. I used to shoot them out of a Jennings j22 pocket pistol and they would work fine, never thought they jammed or misfired in any of the 22s I shot them in
Nice to have more choices in that category. I have used the Aguila Supermax for prairie dogs for years, it used to be 30 grains at 1750FPS. I think they're advertising those as 1700 now as well. Keep up the great work.
My .22LR is my favorite gun, and will be out west for other stuff but wanted to try prairie dogs. Im accurate up to 100 yards with the cheapo 40 grain ammo. Would these hyper's be a better choice for prairie dogs?
I was trying out several different types of ammo in my .22lr revolver, and I was most accurate with these Norma bullets. I found them I a store for $5.99 for a box of 50. The least expensive .22lr ammo I found locally was Armscor for $3.50 for a box of 50. That’s my experience at the range. I don’t know how they would compare to other ammo for hunting small game.
Actually, High velocity (1200-1300 MV) 22LR ammo is more sensitive to SUPERSONIC velocity disturbances than to disturbances caused by transonic region. SK (read "Lapua") engineers are working on HV bullet tolerances and to narrow MV SD in order to make best ammo for 150-200 yards. The goal is to outperform any subsonic match 22LR beyond 100 yards!
I've still got some boxes left somewhere from a case of aquila ammo that I bought in the early 90's that is plated 36 grn hp's that are a bit faster than those normas. Their selling feature was the speed and promised "magnum" performance. If I recall correctly the stated speed was in the 1770's.
What an emotional roller coaster I been on today. Watched “tools and targets” TH-cam guy who compared this stuff to the federal punch out of a 10 in Ruger. Chronograph average for the punch was 1450 fps with the Norma average closer to 1200 fps penetration test was anemic also 9 in vs 14 in in a gel block. . I did speculate that there may be some issue with inefficient powder burn out of the 10 in barrel. I do feel better now that I watched your video. Especially since I just bought 7 boxes from Norma Shooting that are arriving today. They did have 500 ct bricks of tac 22 on sale for $44.99, got some of that too but now it’s back to $80. I love that ammunition for accuracy and reliability! Thanks Who Tee for the research and making me feel better. Merry Christmas
That light bullet is slowing down fast as soon as it leaves the barrel. I would love to see at what distance it slows down to the speed of sound, at that point the wake of the bullet catches up with it and disturbs it. The point where it crosses that line would be the longest accurate range. The key to tight groups at any caliber is to either remain above the speed of sound at all times, or leave the barrel under the speed of sound.
Man, I am so glad the review of this ammo is coming from you. You have the most practical application in your reviews and it is so genuine. Thanks for doing these
50 yards is my usual zero for 22 rifles. But I'm reaching out to 400 yards with my setup currently. It's all about finding what your barrel likes best, a good trigger and stock bed, and the rest is on you.
I have a raccoon problem on my farm and you have just showing me the perfect .22 ammo that I should be using. Really like your videos ‘cause you’re down to earth and shooting at the range just like I would.👍👍 shoot straight and shoot safe😎
Woman was hit with a 22lr at 1800 yards with a stray bullet as she got off a bus. She felt a pain like somebody had punched her with a fist on her ribs. Bullet penetrated her jacket and made a big bruise, nothing more serious.
@@timoivo1195there’s a big difference between 100 and 1800. Pay more attention to the teachers than you do the internet bro. School might be shit- well it’s both a pool of lies and gold flakes but you do learn some useful things.
Just because something can kill doesn’t mean it’s effective past a certain range. But the fact that 22LR CAN kill at extreme distances is why one must always be aware what is behind the target
Good shooting Adam! It's on sale at True Shot right now for .06c per round with free shipping as I type this. Not a bad price for some screaming 22 LR Ammo!
Man Who Tee this is the 2nd time I’ve forgot about your videos. I’m subscribed and have notifications turned on but for some reason I haven’t been notified about your videos in months. I need to just set a personal reminder to look at your videos daily because they are always really good.
I never can't get enough of that song at the end of your videos your outro song you got a great voice keep it up I want to hear that on the top 40s one day while I'm cruising down the highway listening to some country
Nice. I love a good 22. I love my high caliber rifles but there is just something about shooting 22s that always puts a smile on everybody’s face. An all day shooting fest you just don’t get tired of!
@LabRat Knatz depends on projectile shape but generally heavier is better for range. Slower being better.. eh. I've tried the CCI Quiets and they shot like 6" groups at the same range that CCI-SV was under an inch. I've tried the CCI cb longs and while they offer pellet gun ballistics my pellet guns shoot more accurately. The Aguila 60 grain rounds generally shoot pretty slow but they need a 1:9 barrel before they shoot well, and options for similar ammo and compatible barrels are slim. 🤷 Match ammo is loaded for about 1050fps, not 750 or 1250. Almost like there's a reason for it...
@@wesleyk7491 Right I'll take a bigger charge and much heavier bullet over fewer grains and a bullet thats really fast and the weight of a hummingbird tail feather...
Those raccoons have been singled out and profiled by NORMA. Somebody must have had a bad raccoon experience as a child. Lol. 10/22 is such a classic. Great rifle. I've been really enjoying my Henry lever action 22 lately. Have fun.
CCI Copper is advertised as being faster at 1850fps. Both are non lead rounds but the CCI is 21 grains vs the Norma at 24 grains. If you can find some I would love to see the difference in accuracy between the two rounds.
Plinkster did a video on those cci coppers. Accuracy starts degrading after 75 yards, due bullet weight and design. Cci even says they’re designed for hunting purposes up to 75 yards, not match long range accuracy. Just companies trying to stay ahead of the curve on the communist state lead ammo bans.
I've used the CCI Copper a lot -- just target practice, never hunting. I've watched a lot of videos about it, and what comes out is that it's pretty accurate, but only up to about 75 yards, after which the accuracy falls off. I have to take their word for it, since I don't have a range where I can shoot that far: never more than 25 yds. Within that range, I've found the accuracy to be good.
I have watched them shoot 500 yard matches with 22lr at the club I go to, it is crazy what some of those high dollar 22 rifles will do. As for what I would use those for, I would load them in my 22 pistol for groundhogs in the barns.
After watching several of your range sessions with Norma ammo in a few different calibers, I’m impressed too! Gonna have to try it out. I wondered if that 22 stuff going that fast would stabilize, but looked pretty good! 👍🏼
Thanks for your video! I just bought a large quantity on clearance as our local range is going lead free. I’m shooting 22lr through a 617-4 and my main concern is sticky ejection. I can run a couple of hundred rounds of Federal Target before things start binding but as few as 50 rounds of some hotter and/ or dirtier stuff. Thanks again.
100 yds isn't too far for a 22 LR. When I was knee high to a grasshopper we would shoot coyotes at 150 yds. Then we got older and started reading the hunting magazines and they all said a 22LR was a 50 yd gun for "small game". Since we KNEW it was better than that, we took what we read with a grain of salt. Still, those mags started us looking for a good centerfire. Point being, people underestimate the 22LR and its acceptable accurate range.
A grain a salt? What grain is that lol,40,26,36 lol,good comment,i myself shot small game way further that 50 yards. 22lr is a good round,22 is probably 1 a my favorite rounds to shoot. I own quite a few 22lr & 22 mags,as with property,(location location location)22lr is bada$$ when ya hit the right location,
Fist size for a supersonic .22 at 91 meters, good, but I think, if You send 3 shots as warm up and then use a real coloured dot, at 100m. You could an even better group. As it is within a zombie head at 150m I am satisfied. Keep the good work coming.
Winchester Hyper velocity 40 Gr JHP were chronograph at speeds up to 1480 and they are only advertise at 1435, The CCI Velocitor was chronograph at upper 1300's and they are advertised at 1435..
@@georgegeller1902 never fired one but I have fired the Remington Target Master which was more accurate than I am , If I ever see a Match Master at auction I will bid heavily for it , thanks for pointing it out I really didn’t know that it existed.
Awesome to see some good alternatives. I've been impressed with the Norma cartridges. I got a few boxes of .270 Norma after your 270 video and they fly well in my setup as well. Seems like they provide pretty legit performance for a factory cartridge.
If you wanna prove it'll run in a semi auto you should get a walther p22. Mine is pretty picky and I've heard the same from others. Mine runs on most 40gr. But when you get into the lighter stuff it's gotta be hot like a stinger. Good video man keep em coming.
Great video as always! I reckon you could call that a 1" group at 50 yards easy. Great shooting for 100 yards and for a .22LR that's an excellent group. For me this would be great ammo for bunny busting or even fox whistling within 50-70 yards. Norma make excellent (albeit expensive) ammo. Thanks for sharing!
I suspect it's not so much the longer barrel as much as it is it being a bolt action since all the energy is used to send the projectile instead of also having to cycle the action
Very good for a super high velocity 22lr i must say. A cci stinger would not do that group at that distance. hyper velocity is good for varmint up to 50 yards, not more. Would be fun if you test SK high velocity HP at 110 yards. Thanks for a good video.
@@WillTheProducerTwitch you’re 100% right. I was off by a factor of 1000 because I converted “grain” into “grams” instead of “kilograms”. That’s what I get for doing shit fast on iPhone 🙉🤣. I’ll edit the comment.
Hey i will talk 30 06 all day but .22 LR is where we all started. My most prized possession is a Mossberg 142-A 22 handed down to me from my grandad( you can call him paw paw) so what I'm trying to say is, as always, thanks man
The 2 close low shots were cold barrel shots (first 2 shots) the extreme bottom single shot was more than likely operator error, possibly a pull. The whole big group that you covered with your thumb is the actual group you could probably expect to shoot repeatedly once warmed up. Very nice shooting a 100yds. My $.02 or a grain of salt...
CCI Copper are 1850FPS. And are like a breaching load. Powdered Copper formed with an epoxy. Demolishes Bunnies. NQ Australia. CZ515. Next review mate!
WTW !!! Nice video on comparisons , Most people would be thrilled in finding it period, during these times, Not much hunting by myself, But I do a lot of steel targets, It should dispatch anything if proper shot placement, especially if my friend WTW lays cross hairs on it ! GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS!! Have a great week brother
Great video, I picked up 500 of these recently and haven't shot them yet. I assumed they would be less than reliable with a 10/22 and was planning on running them through revolvers. I might shoot a box through the carbine now to see how they do. Been really impressed over the last year with the Norma in general, good quality and you can find good prices online if you are patient. I now have Norma tac and eco 22lr, 38 special, 9mm ball and defensive and 223 rem. All have ran very reliably with reasonably consistent accuracy.
I would use that Norma super fast stuff to shoot flies off the wall. See if they're fast enough to dodge those! On a side note, anyone know a good drywall guy? Got some holes...
I can hit a fly in the eye every time. The stinger makes it hard to prove cause it takes the whole head off. On the pluses side no meat is ruined. Heard an artillery man say he cold do the same with his 105mm at 15 miles. As old as the .22 is it still never fails to provide a day full of fun for penneys. The shear number of fine firearms built for that round over the years is mind boggling.
The highest muzzle velocity you can get from a 22 LR is 1,850 fps. This is CCI’s COPPER-22 round, but its bullet weighs only 21 grains - nearly half the average weight for its caliber. That lightning fast muzzle velocity only gives so light a bullet a muzzle energy of 160 ft lbs!
Informative video!! Your CZ rifle is a beauty!! I wonder which .22 LR round is the best penetrator?? I like the CCI Velocitor so far. Thinking self defense with an SR22
I'll have to keep an eye out for these. Have always been a huge fan of the CCI Stingers (1640fps) which were necessary to break in my GSG 1911 (~400 rounds). Just before the Covid came knocking on our door I went to a gun show with a seller who had a giant case of 1000 Stingers for $80. Forgot to buy before leaving. Still beating myself up for that. >.< Thank you for bringing this to our attention. :)
I can see quite a few squirrels getting picked off with that stuff. I shoot .22s at between 100 to 300 yards all the time. That paper plate you were shooting looked like the three or four shots that were out of the main group were just shots you pulled or the wind may have been a factor. That was a damned tight group for 100 yards with a .22 any way you look at it. I imagine that group could get really tight with certain other kinds of rifles and taking your sweet time to do it. I'm pretty impressed with that ammo. Pretty good shooting by the way.
Thanks for making this video. I just ordered 500 rounds of the stuff for killing beavers in California. Non toxic ammo is a legal requirement for all hunting in that state. The choices for .22 LR are pretty limited in the non toxic realm. I can't wait to see how it shoots through a Ruger American bolt gun that I own and is known for very good accuracy.
@@77.88. i did pay more than i do for the maxi mags (thats my normal go to ammo for all my 22 firearms) but they definitely do as advertised......i got some of the Norma and the federal punch they both are pretty hot little rounds....
I have a 10/22 with the factory stainless heavy barrel. Ten round golf ball size groups a 110 yds. all day long. I'd love to see how those do in mine. Keep the squirrels nervous lol.
The CCI Stinger has a 32 grain lead hollow point bullet travelling at 1640 FPS according to factory specs on the box. Try comparing this with the Eco stuff.
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The .22lr is starting to really modernize a lot, and it’s impressive how this tiny round is so capable of so much now then just your regular ones years ago.
Almost at 22wmr velocity. That's some fast stuff. Can't wait to watch. Thanks for all the time you put in.
appreciate you watching Bill
That "supersonic" stuff might indeed be "a little harder to group" at extended range... but I can tell you first hand that I've sent many a groundhog across the rainbow bridge launching CCI Stingers from a 1960's era Remington 10T Targetmaster with an old Weaver fixed 6X scope at 100 yards and more. Minute of angle is all well and good, but with a .22, Minute of Squirrel will suit me just fine.
“Across the rainbow bridge” lol, my preference for ground hogs is Remington 2 3/4 00 buck shot but I have a stock pile of stinger just in case I run out. I used stingers this summer on some muskrats and at 50 yards it drops them dead. Good stuff.
Should be able to take ground hogs out at up to 200 yards with a 22 ! And thats with a subsonic
@@jimmyjohnson7041 no
@@jimmyjohnson7041 200 is doable, but you really have to know your rifle and ammo, especially if it's a little breezy. Anything like a real windy day, you can forget it.
@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 Your right ...know your rifle .......and Ammo ! Thats true with any caliber rifle. Or a bow and arrow !
Aguila has been making a 30 grain round at a claimed 1750 fps for years. I've never sent them thru a chronograph myself, but they definitely hit harder than anything else I've ever used.
If you can keep them from jamming failure to feed. I've put 300 through 7 different 22LR rifles & pistols and the only that is remotely usable is the Ruger 10/22. And I would still have 2 or 3 FTF each 25 round mag. Not worth the risk when Stingers don't cost too much more and have zero issues. On close inspection the ridges at the base of the bullet are a few thousands larger than most other rounds. I assume this is the problem.
@@primeideasconsulting that's interesting, I've never had any issues with them in any of my guns. I had an early model P22 that would hardly cycle anything other than Aguila, Stingers, or Mini Mags. Both of my 10/22s fling them every time. My GSG 1911-22 has had zero issues. My H&K 416-22 also loves them. I've always loved them because I rarely have any issues with them. Oh, one last semi-auto... The Phoenix HP22 loves them as well (and any revolver I've shot them with). It's always bizarre to me how each gun kinda has its own personality with ammo 🤷♂️. I should add, I've been using Aguila for probably 15 years and have fired thousands of rounds of the hypersonic variety.
@@mot0rhe4d40 Not sure tbh if it's an isolated issue with my rounds. I doubt it but honestly, I haven't bought any others to check in fear of wasting more money.
@@CMB911 Glad to hear they work in your GSG. I have the Sig branded version which I have tweaked to shoot much more reliably. I'm going to give these a try in it.
@@CMB911 same here.. I used to shoot them out of a Jennings j22 pocket pistol and they would work fine, never thought they jammed or misfired in any of the 22s I shot them in
Nice to have more choices in that category. I have used the Aguila Supermax for prairie dogs for years, it used to be 30 grains at 1750FPS. I think they're advertising those as 1700 now as well. Keep up the great work.
Good squirrel round.
A 22 lr will ruin your day. 22 lr is no joke.
@@rickeybullington6314 definitely!
My .22LR is my favorite gun, and will be out west for other stuff but wanted to try prairie dogs. Im accurate up to 100 yards with the cheapo 40 grain ammo. Would these hyper's be a better choice for prairie dogs?
@@tieoneon1614 for me they are. There are a lot reasons for hunting with the .22 hypers. That's all I use on small game.
I was trying out several different types of ammo in my .22lr revolver, and I was most accurate with these Norma bullets. I found them I a store for $5.99 for a box of 50.
The least expensive .22lr ammo I found locally was Armscor for $3.50 for a box of 50.
That’s my experience at the range. I don’t know how they would compare to other ammo for hunting small game.
I'll take accurancy over speed everytime; you did a great presentation no waste of time, we got the message!
This ammo vs your standard 22lr rounds with some clay blocks
Ballistic gel
That would be epic to see
Oh yeah.
No. We use clay round here son.
Yeah sounds great try it out w.t.w
Not a bad grouping out of that bolt action. Tx for the review...✌️
Always good to see improvements on the most popular caliber in the U.S. .22 L.R.
Actually, High velocity (1200-1300 MV) 22LR ammo is more sensitive to SUPERSONIC velocity disturbances than to disturbances caused by transonic region. SK (read "Lapua") engineers are working on HV bullet tolerances and to narrow MV SD in order to make best ammo for 150-200 yards. The goal is to outperform any subsonic match 22LR beyond 100 yards!
I've still got some boxes left somewhere from a case of aquila ammo that I bought in the early 90's that is plated 36 grn hp's that are a bit faster than those normas. Their selling feature was the speed and promised "magnum" performance. If I recall correctly the stated speed was in the 1770's.
What an emotional roller coaster I been on today. Watched “tools and targets” TH-cam guy who compared this stuff to the federal punch out of a 10 in Ruger. Chronograph average for the punch was 1450 fps with the Norma average closer to 1200 fps penetration test was anemic also 9 in vs 14 in in a gel block. . I did speculate that there may be some issue with inefficient powder burn out of the 10 in barrel. I do feel better now that I watched your video. Especially since I just bought 7 boxes from Norma Shooting that are arriving today. They did have 500 ct bricks of tac 22 on sale for $44.99, got some of that too but now it’s back to $80. I love that ammunition for accuracy and reliability! Thanks Who Tee for the research and making me feel better. Merry Christmas
That light bullet is slowing down fast as soon as it leaves the barrel. I would love to see at what distance it slows down to the speed of sound, at that point the wake of the bullet catches up with it and disturbs it. The point where it crosses that line would be the longest accurate range.
The key to tight groups at any caliber is to either remain above the speed of sound at all times, or leave the barrel under the speed of sound.
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Man you come a way. I like watching cause there not much drama and bs it’s all about gunpowder and smiles!
Thanks Wesley! Appreciate you watching!
Man, I am so glad the review of this ammo is coming from you. You have the most practical application in your reviews and it is so genuine. Thanks for doing these
Appreciate you watching!
Great video, you just answered a bunch of questions for me. Keep'm coming
Take care
Thanks for watching!
50 yards is my usual zero for 22 rifles. But I'm reaching out to 400 yards with my setup currently. It's all about finding what your barrel likes best, a good trigger and stock bed, and the rest is on you.
CCI Stingers are supposed to run about 1640 fps. with a 32 grain bullet. That is what I usually use for hunting squirrels.
Love shooting Stingers
Can't hunt with stingers in California and on all USFG land starting in 2022. No lead in projectiles.
@@jtee9548 Fuck that !
@@jtee9548 Only in California wouldT hey pass such a stupid regulation
The squirrel? The last thing that went through its mind weighed 32 grains...
Hey Who_Tee! Just picked up some since I plink at my land and it doesn't hurt to put less lead into the dirt.
That Norma Lr almost as fast as 22 win mag . Crazy in the CZ , 👍👍
The CCi non-lead 21 grain Copper-22 Meateater is listed as 1,850 fps muzzle velocity! ⚡️
I have a raccoon problem on my farm and you have just showing me the perfect .22 ammo that I should be using. Really like your videos ‘cause you’re down to earth and shooting at the range just like I would.👍👍 shoot straight and shoot safe😎
Try CCI stingers they are great too
For those who think a 100 yards is too long for a 22, there have been people killed with a 22 far beyond a 100 yards.
Woman was hit with a 22lr at 1800 yards with a stray bullet as she got off a bus. She felt a pain like somebody had punched her with a fist on her ribs. Bullet penetrated her jacket and made a big bruise, nothing more serious.
@@timoivo1195there’s a big difference between 100 and 1800. Pay more attention to the teachers than you do the internet bro. School might be shit- well it’s both a pool of lies and gold flakes but you do learn some useful things.
A 22lr can kill up to 1.5 miles. Will still pass through 1/4in thick plywood at that distance.
Just because something can kill doesn’t mean it’s effective past a certain range. But the fact that 22LR CAN kill at extreme distances is why one must always be aware what is behind the target
Doubters are always bigmouth until someone suggests that they stand downrange. Silence is golden
Good shooting Adam! It's on sale at True Shot right now for .06c per round with free shipping as I type this. Not a bad price for some screaming 22 LR Ammo!
Norma. That’s good stuff.
Man Who Tee this is the 2nd time I’ve forgot about your videos. I’m subscribed and have notifications turned on but for some reason I haven’t been notified about your videos in months. I need to just set a personal reminder to look at your videos daily because they are always really good.
DAGGUMIT. 2 new videos every day. Appreciate you watching
I never can't get enough of that song at the end of your videos your outro song you got a great voice keep it up I want to hear that on the top 40s one day while I'm cruising down the highway listening to some country
Nice. I love a good 22. I love my high caliber rifles but there is just something about shooting 22s that always puts a smile on everybody’s face. An all day shooting fest you just don’t get tired of!
I think I'd rather have a 40 at 1400 vs a 24 at 1700. Then again my preferred .22 ammo is match subsonics..
Couldn't agree more
@LabRat Knatz depends on projectile shape but generally heavier is better for range. Slower being better.. eh. I've tried the CCI Quiets and they shot like 6" groups at the same range that CCI-SV was under an inch. I've tried the CCI cb longs and while they offer pellet gun ballistics my pellet guns shoot more accurately. The Aguila 60 grain rounds generally shoot pretty slow but they need a 1:9 barrel before they shoot well, and options for similar ammo and compatible barrels are slim. 🤷 Match ammo is loaded for about 1050fps, not 750 or 1250. Almost like there's a reason for it...
velocitor 40 grain hits with 25 more foot pounds over this eco speed.
@@wesleyk7491
Right I'll take a bigger charge and much heavier bullet over fewer grains and a bullet thats really fast and the weight of a hummingbird tail feather...
Subsonic is the best in the brno and a suppressor.
If I had one choice left that's what I would have
Those raccoons have been singled out and profiled by NORMA. Somebody must have had a bad raccoon experience as a child. Lol.
10/22 is such a classic. Great rifle. I've been really enjoying my Henry lever action 22 lately. Have fun.
My rifle, CZ 457, loves Norma ammo.
Thank You Sir fer sharing.
CCI Copper is advertised as being faster at 1850fps. Both are non lead rounds but the CCI is 21 grains vs the Norma at 24 grains. If you can find some I would love to see the difference in accuracy between the two rounds.
Plinkster did a video on those cci coppers. Accuracy starts degrading after 75 yards, due bullet weight and design. Cci even says they’re designed for hunting purposes up to 75 yards, not match long range accuracy.
Just companies trying to stay ahead of the curve on the communist state lead ammo bans.
I've used the CCI Copper a lot -- just target practice, never hunting. I've watched a lot of videos about it, and what comes out is that it's pretty accurate, but only up to about 75 yards, after which the accuracy falls off. I have to take their word for it, since I don't have a range where I can shoot that far: never more than 25 yds. Within that range, I've found the accuracy to be good.
A 22lr can provide protection and food if needed. Fun and not to expensive to Trane with.
I have watched them shoot 500 yard matches with 22lr at the club I go to, it is crazy what some of those high dollar 22 rifles will do. As for what I would use those for, I would load them in my 22 pistol for groundhogs in the barns.
After watching several of your range sessions with Norma ammo in a few different calibers, I’m impressed too! Gonna have to try it out. I wondered if that 22 stuff going that fast would stabilize, but looked pretty good! 👍🏼
Seen so many Norma high power rounds in different calibers. Awesome find luuuvit!
Like the 358 Norma magnum.
The non lead slugs make up for the high velocity .
I really look forward to my weekly binge of Who Tee Who videos 👍
Always appreciate you watching Simon!
Thanks for your video!
I just bought a large quantity on clearance as our local range is going lead free.
I’m shooting 22lr through a 617-4 and my main concern is sticky ejection.
I can run a couple of hundred rounds of Federal Target before things start binding but as few as 50 rounds of some hotter and/ or dirtier stuff.
Thanks again.
Thanks for watching
100 yds isn't too far for a 22 LR. When I was knee high to a grasshopper we would shoot coyotes at 150 yds. Then we got older and started reading the hunting magazines and they all said a 22LR was a 50 yd gun for "small game". Since we KNEW it was better than that, we took what we read with a grain of salt. Still, those mags started us looking for a good centerfire.
Point being, people underestimate the 22LR and its acceptable accurate range.
A grain a salt? What grain is that lol,40,26,36 lol,good comment,i myself shot small game way further that 50 yards. 22lr is a good round,22 is probably 1 a my favorite rounds to shoot. I own quite a few 22lr & 22 mags,as with property,(location location location)22lr is bada$$ when ya hit the right location,
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I been wondering about that ammo thanks for the video buddy great as usual 👍
Thanks for watching Carl
I enjoyed it buddy
norma has been cranking out the good stuff recently
I agree
I love Norma, I use their standard ammo for quiet shooting. Never had any issues with the stuff.
Fist size for a supersonic .22 at 91 meters, good, but I think, if You send 3 shots as warm up and then use a real coloured dot, at 100m. You could an even better group. As it is within a zombie head at 150m I am satisfied. Keep the good work coming.
That is some pretty fast 22 ammo! The next fast as I have seen is like a yellow jacket or a stinger around 1600 to 1650
Thank you for your video.
Enjoyed the results.
Can you believe they put a 50 minute add at the end of this. And great shooting with the super sonic 22LR.
I subbed. Didn't realize I wasn't. Man this is a good but of information!
Thanks for watching!!!
Use?
General purpose.
Water moccasins
Rabid pests
Plinking
Great demonstration.
Thanks
Winchester Hyper velocity 40 Gr JHP were chronograph at speeds up to 1480 and they are only advertise at 1435, The CCI Velocitor was chronograph at upper 1300's and they are advertised at 1435..
I’d like to see it VS CCI Mini mag , Killed a lot of ground hogs with Mini mag at 100 yds with open sights and a marlin carbine
My vintage 513t shoots sub 1-inch 100 yard groups with iron sites with any ammo I've tried.
@@georgegeller1902 never fired one but I have fired the Remington Target Master which was more accurate than I am , If I ever see a Match Master at auction I will bid heavily for it , thanks for pointing it out I really didn’t know that it existed.
@@georgegeller1902 BULL SHIT
@@buncha5651 wow! didja STEP in IT? bet THAT stinks. no, i cant give you a ride anywhere!
Awesome to see some good alternatives. I've been impressed with the Norma cartridges. I got a few boxes of .270 Norma after your 270 video and they fly well in my setup as well. Seems like they provide pretty legit performance for a factory cartridge.
Their brass is the gold standard for reloading, so their ammo should perform, too.
Wow! Great groups! I am impressed!
As always great video. Thank you.
Simple yet educational and tested I like it. Research for the common man! I like it!
If you wanna prove it'll run in a semi auto you should get a walther p22. Mine is pretty picky and I've heard the same from others. Mine runs on most 40gr. But when you get into the lighter stuff it's gotta be hot like a stinger. Good video man keep em coming.
Great video as always! I reckon you could call that a 1" group at 50 yards easy. Great shooting for 100 yards and for a .22LR that's an excellent group. For me this would be great ammo for bunny busting or even fox whistling within 50-70 yards. Norma make excellent (albeit expensive) ammo. Thanks for sharing!
Wow! I did not think that the longer barrel would give it that much more speed.
How long is the longer barrel? I've got a Remington 511 with a 26" barrel and wonder what it would push these light rounds to.
I suspect it's not so much the longer barrel as much as it is it being a bolt action since all the energy is used to send the projectile instead of also having to cycle the action
@scottloftin1730yup people don't understand that been saying that for years
Good 👍 stuff,
Thank you sharing,
Jim
I've been digging Norma. Anything that eradicates raccoons is alright in my book.
Very good for a super high velocity 22lr i must say. A cci stinger would not do that group at that distance. hyper velocity is good for varmint up to 50 yards, not more. Would be fun if you test SK high velocity HP at 110 yards. Thanks for a good video.
210 joules of kinetic energy in the 24grain, 170 joules in the 40 grain. The lighter, but faster round should pack a bigger punch theoretically 🤷🏼♂️
its not 210 or 170 "k"joules that would be 154888 lb/ft, however 210 joules is 154.888 lb/ft xD
@@WillTheProducerTwitch you’re 100% right. I was off by a factor of 1000 because I converted “grain” into “grams” instead of “kilograms”. That’s what I get for doing shit fast on iPhone 🙉🤣. I’ll edit the comment.
Hey i will talk 30 06 all day but .22 LR is where we all started. My most prized possession is a Mossberg 142-A 22 handed down to me from my grandad( you can call him paw paw) so what I'm trying to say is, as always, thanks man
Thank you for theses video.. in hope test it next month...ps I hope a 22 WMR version
The 2 close low shots were cold barrel shots (first 2 shots) the extreme bottom single shot was more than likely operator error, possibly a pull. The whole big group that you covered with your thumb is the actual group you could probably expect to shoot repeatedly once warmed up. Very nice shooting a 100yds. My $.02 or a grain of salt...
Defenetley a good round Nice vid thanks for sharring
Thanks for watching!
CCI Copper are 1850FPS. And are like a breaching load. Powdered Copper formed with an epoxy. Demolishes Bunnies. NQ Australia. CZ515. Next review mate!
Oh and in the 515, it was the most accurate out of it. 12mm 5 shot group at 50m. Velocitors at 18mm and the bulk Yellow Jacket @ 14mm
I love your videos thank you
Wish we’d seen chrono from the other rifles too. Cool video as always man.
CCI makes the Copper 22 which is a 21 gr @1820 fps
WTW !!! Nice video on comparisons , Most people would be thrilled in finding it period, during these times, Not much hunting by myself, But I do a lot of steel targets, It should dispatch anything if proper shot placement, especially if my friend WTW lays cross hairs on it ! GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS!! Have a great week brother
Great video, I picked up 500 of these recently and haven't shot them yet. I assumed they would be less than reliable with a 10/22 and was planning on running them through revolvers. I might shoot a box through the carbine now to see how they do.
Been really impressed over the last year with the Norma in general, good quality and you can find good prices online if you are patient.
I now have Norma tac and eco 22lr, 38 special, 9mm ball and defensive and 223 rem. All have ran very reliably with reasonably consistent accuracy.
I would use that Norma super fast stuff to shoot flies off the wall. See if they're fast enough to dodge those!
On a side note, anyone know a good drywall guy? Got some holes...
You got a chuckle out of me
Lol, funny
If you don't have any spackling paste handy, toothpaste will work. That is if you're in a hurry to fill the holes before the police arrive. lol
@@jonnporter6081 minty fresh!!
I can hit a fly in the eye every time. The stinger makes it hard to prove cause it takes the whole head off. On the pluses side no meat is ruined. Heard an artillery man say he cold do the same with his 105mm at 15 miles. As old as the .22 is it still never fails to provide a day full of fun for penneys. The shear number of fine firearms built for that round over the years is mind boggling.
The highest muzzle velocity you can get from a 22 LR is 1,850 fps. This is CCI’s COPPER-22 round, but its bullet weighs only 21 grains - nearly half the average weight for its caliber. That lightning fast muzzle velocity only gives so light a bullet a muzzle energy of 160 ft lbs!
I would be happy with that group. Great video, hi from the UK 🇬🇧😁🇺🇸
Informative video!! Your CZ rifle is a beauty!! I wonder which .22 LR round is the best penetrator??
I like the CCI Velocitor so far. Thinking self defense with an SR22
I have a SR22 and I love it. It's a great EDC gun.
I'll have to keep an eye out for these. Have always been a huge fan of the CCI Stingers (1640fps) which were necessary to break in my GSG 1911 (~400 rounds). Just before the Covid came knocking on our door I went to a gun show with a seller who had a giant case of 1000 Stingers for $80. Forgot to buy before leaving. Still beating myself up for that. >.<
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. :)
This stuff game my handgun a ton of issues.
There’s a wax on it. If you use it clean the gun first
That's impressive speed. I believe Stingrrs are 1640. They have a little bigger projectile (36gn)... it's nice to see competition to the stinger
nice rifle set up
I can see quite a few squirrels getting picked off with that stuff. I shoot .22s at between 100 to 300 yards all the time. That paper plate you were shooting looked like the three or four shots that were out of the main group were just shots you pulled or the wind may have been a factor. That was a damned tight group for 100 yards with a .22 any way you look at it. I imagine that group could get really tight with certain other kinds of rifles and taking your sweet time to do it. I'm pretty impressed with that ammo. Pretty good shooting by the way.
Great review, thank you!
I absolutely love the way southerners say “five”, forteh fahv, fity fahv, it just sounds more correct
I like your style. Thanks for the effort.
Appreciate you watching!
Thanks for making this video. I just ordered 500 rounds of the stuff for killing beavers in California. Non toxic ammo is a legal requirement for all hunting in that state. The choices for .22 LR are pretty limited in the non toxic realm. I can't wait to see how it shoots through a Ruger American bolt gun that I own and is known for very good accuracy.
Any tips on where to find beavers in ca?
Very fun entertaining vid.
“Thousand percent humidity” lol 😂
Thanks for watching Randy
It reminds me of the 22 self defense ammo....i may have to get me a brick of this!
The price may or may not be affordable, I sure do like my CCI mininmags as they are excellet and don't break the wallet...
@@77.88. i did pay more than i do for the maxi mags (thats my normal go to ammo for all my 22 firearms) but they definitely do as advertised......i got some of the Norma and the federal punch they both are pretty hot little rounds....
Great video like always! My Ruger 10/22 doesn't always like the fast stuff.
Some cool looking 22 stuff! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸
Cci make an eco at 1800 22g the pellet is soft mashed it in a jam on the Rossi
Im pretty sure CCI makes an all polymer .22 lr round that shoots 1850fps. Its powdered copper mixed with polymer and formed into the bullet.
Yeah I’m pretty sure he know about it, he used “fastest round IV SEEN” as click bait, since he’s supposedly not seen the CCI copper
I have a 10/22 with the factory stainless heavy barrel. Ten round golf ball size groups a 110 yds. all day long. I'd love to see how those do in mine. Keep the squirrels nervous lol.
I used the CCI Stinger, velocity 1640fps, 32 grain hollow point slug is a pretty good one to use. I killed many Jack rabbits in Colorado with that.
Dang it I said roughly the same thing just now. Except for the rabbit part.
I've shot a few thousand holes on paper with my stingers
The Stinger is better than this Norma stuff any day. The bullet is 33% heavier but only 4% slower. That's a win.
@@MatthewC137yeah but this isn't lead and the bullet does deform as much go for farther targets.
I would like to see the standard 22lr vs the eco speed on that clay clocks. Great video!
New subscriber here and im loving your content bud.
Tight groups are the result of consistent loads and muzzle velocity.
That's some nice ammo I will have to try in my Henry lever action see how it works. Its picky on what it shoots. Great Video
The CCI Stinger has a 32 grain lead hollow point bullet travelling at 1640 FPS according to factory specs on the box. Try comparing this with the Eco stuff.