Pool Table Cloth 101

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  • In this video I will attempt to demystify pool table cloth.
    Links to websites cited in this video:
    Iwan Simonis: www.simoniscloth.com
    Championship: www.champbilliards.com
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    Synopsys of cloth recommendations:
    For billiard, carom, one pocket, straight pool, and snooker played on a 8', 9', or 10' tables, I recommend either Simonis 760 or Championship ProAm 3020.
    For 9 ball played on an 8' or 9' table, I would recommend 860 Simonis or Championship Tour Edition 3030.
    For 8 ball played on 9' tables, I would recommend Simonis 760 or Championship ProAm 3020.
    For 8 ball played on 7' or 8' tables, I would recommend Simonis 860 or Championship Tour Edition 3030.
    For ANY games being played on 7' tables, I would recommend 860 Simonis or Championship Tour Edition 3030.
    If you are NOT a serious pool player, I would recommend either Championship Invitational with or without Teflon. This applies to any size table.
    For barroom or pool hall applications (where the owner does not want the additional expense of a professional cloth) I would recommend either Championship Valley Teflon Ultra WITH backing or Championship Invitational WITH backing.
    Any of Championship's cloths can be purchased directly through my website:
    www.billiardsofneworleans.com...
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  • @CreativeRestorations
    @CreativeRestorations  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @sharkymoon422
    @sharkymoon422 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the golf analogy, in fact that’s how I will approach pool table’s from now on, each and every table is like it’s own course with different traps, rough and sand, this mentality will make me appreciate and respect the new course and take some pressure away from playing perfect pool because I’m learning to play the new course first.. Love ya channel ❤️🙏

  • @thomasmcmillan5095
    @thomasmcmillan5095 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Liked. Subscribed. We had napped cloth installed at the Senior Center. It pilled a lot at first and was slow. I brushed the pills with the nap and removed them. Having seen snooker tables ironed on TH-cam I ironed it with the nap and it came out much faster. It is quite agreeable now.

  • @antidancer
    @antidancer ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm going to tackle my friends pool table, full refurbishment, your videos along with many others have given me the confidence to do this project. Thanks for your expertise and try not to let negative detractors get to you, you know what they say, Haters gonna Hate!

  • @boone0682
    @boone0682 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    you made a lot of sense I'm planning on clothing my 8ft table thanks you were very helpful on deciding what cloth to choose again thank you

  • @kennethliebel4449
    @kennethliebel4449 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    been playing for a few years and got my first table about 2 years ago. I am finally getting new felt, rails, and pockets. Si860 is what I'm going with mainly because in tournaments I'm going up agenst Fargo as high as 680.

  • @easygoing2479
    @easygoing2479 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Best info yet I've found on Pool table cloth... very good. 30:00 It could have been worse; you could have been waiting for those first four notes of Beethoven's Fifth in Boston Symphony Hall.

  • @roadshowautosports
    @roadshowautosports 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ve watched this video several times as I’m getting ready to re-cloth my Foremost table and noticed your comments about “bank pool” and that’s a game where you can’t shoot straight but every shot must be banked. I had a friend who wanted to play that at work but, based on our skills, it would take too long per game. Not correcting you, if you meant the same by billiards, but adding a bit of my experience.
    Thank you for all you do for us and hope you’re getting better and better from your illness!

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I quit playing pool about 13 years ago. I was just having a brain fart. I do know what bank pool is. LOL.
      I guess I'm suffering from "Old Timer's" disease. LOL

    • @jeffsingleton88
      @jeffsingleton88 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@CreativeRestorations what made you quit?

  • @charlesstuart6882
    @charlesstuart6882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What would be a good felt to put on my Valley 7' pool table

  • @jwish29
    @jwish29 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wish I saw this before reclothing my table last year. Knew of Simonis but was out of my price range, but my 7ft valley bar box was due for new cloth. Ended up getting Championship Pro Am, and after a year on it I like it but it's just too fast for the 7ft table, especially since all my leagues are on bar box valleys with Mercury Ultra cloth. I feel like there is plenty of life left in my cloth even with shooting almost daily but I'll be going back to Mercury Ultra since that's what I play on for leagues. I guess it's best to practice on what you play on instead of trying to get fancy with the cloth.

  • @kyleaddi2653
    @kyleaddi2653 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    hey hey, i learned of ur channel from the elegant oxford and i think its really cool what u do, i love watching vids on boots and shoes and also random restoration projects so ur channel just seems the perfect fit !! also I love that aperon you made for the giveaway it is truly a great peice of craftsmanship. also i was wondeing if there were any leatherworking projects that are easy and low budget you could recommend as i want to get started trying my hand in leather crafts but dont have much money to playwith as im only 15. anyway keep up the good work and take care, kyle

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There are loads of small projects that can be done entirely by hand. I've got sewing equipment, clicker dies, a clicker press, and dunk-dye buckets because I've got several leather products that I make in bulk. However, almost anything can be made entirely by hand with minimal tools and minimal investment. Start with small things like key fobs, mouse pads, and small, less intricate things like that. Eventually your skills will improve and then, you move on to bigger, more complicated projects.

    • @kyleaddi2653
      @kyleaddi2653 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CreativeRestorations thanks for the help 😁

  • @brianlevandowski3167
    @brianlevandowski3167 ปีที่แล้ว

    So what are the cloths that are on Chamberlain tables that are sold at the Pool warehouse? They say 60% wool with k66 bumbers, non of the tables use slate under.

  • @joshuasox
    @joshuasox 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    every tournament ive ever played in used 760. im very used to its play, im also used to butchered unlevel bar tables lol. like you said about the cue in a previous video if you cant play on any table you cant play on any table.

  • @HoosierRooster
    @HoosierRooster 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    760 is a great cloth to use in the Florida and the South where you have high humidity once it wears in it plays way better than 860 which becomes very draggy when broken in

  • @pauleyedwin6056
    @pauleyedwin6056 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good review

  • @txproudproudamerican9474
    @txproudproudamerican9474 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I got a used gameroom concept outdoor 1 piece slate table which is $6500 new and I got it for $500, so couldn't pass it up. The table frame and everything is like new but the backing on the 3/4 slate is crumbling so I have to replace that. Have you ever had any experience doing that? I'm planning on trying to find some 3/8 MDF board, remove the old backing, and replace with MDF.
    My main question is what type of cloth would you use on an outdoor table that will be under a patio with no direct sunlight? I don't want to put the sunbrella cloth on it because most of the research I've done says not to use that because you don't get true play on it like I would with a good quality cloth. I do live is Austin Texas so we do have our 105 degrees days of summer, so wondering what I could use other than Sunbrella? I'm also going to change out the rubber on the railings so any advice on the best rubber to use would be great. I'm an average player working on upping my game.

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      NEVER use MDF in an outdoor application!
      Either opt for marine plywood or pressure treated lumber.

  • @stevesmith866
    @stevesmith866 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    excellent video very in depth thx

  • @hardtimesbbq5265
    @hardtimesbbq5265 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    760 is great, once you get the feel, nothing as elegant as the ball gliding around on 760. Had it on a GC IV and regularly played on 860 in tournaments, no issues.

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There's nothing "wrong" with Simonis. It just isn't my favorite cloth to either play on or install. Think "Ford vs. Chevy".

  • @raygrinders3918
    @raygrinders3918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanx to your wonderful guidance, I was motivated to replace my cloth yesterday. However, I still wanted to practice the job before committing a wad of cash to a good cloth. So, went to Walmart and bought 9 feet of random cloth for $15, plus $13 for Loctite spray adhesive (3M "90" couldn't be found on any shelves near me). Removing the slate from my Global barbox is so easy that I am not intimidated if I have to do this again soon.
    Came out fine except for a small example of overspray, and I'm so pleased to be able to get some break balls to come back over the "50-yard line". While I was under the slate I sound-dampened the ball channels, including preventing plastic channels from routing balls into right-angle collisions with metal channels (Automatic ball damage?).
    Please predict what you think will happen to my cloth over the summer! I probably average 40 racks per week.

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm a bit confused.
      Do you still have the "Walmart" fabric on the table? If not, which cloth did you end up covering it with? I could give you a prediction if I knew more about what cloth is currently on it.

    • @raygrinders3918
      @raygrinders3918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      l took off the green, commercial-grade cloth on Monday and put on the red, 97% polyester/3% spandex Craft Department fabric on Wednesday. Everything looks and plays great except for the 3" string of glue and two splatters sticking to the table next to diamonds. I originally was going to try to flip over the closely-cropped green, but for $15 it was much more rewarding to stretch the red. Some pinholes in the green might have become noticeable had I stretched the green. For now, I'm getting much more distance and draw on my cueball, but I have a feeling I might have to erect a windscreen because lags look bent but the table still checks as level!

  • @thomaswilley380
    @thomaswilley380 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved the bit with the nickels

  • @jairambalkaran4964
    @jairambalkaran4964 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Siminos 760 is a great cloth I have a 9 feet table Brunswick pool table for approximately twelve years and the cloth is still in good condition.

  • @adammatney9094
    @adammatney9094 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    7 foot bar box in a garage. Not heated or cooled. Not a very good player but also dont want a slow table. Would the championship tour edition be ok or should i go with the invitational?

  • @xdshooter1
    @xdshooter1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Always great info on your videos. I'm on Tampa Florida and my table will be in my garage with air conditioning. But it's very humid here, what cloth would you recommend? Thank you for your time.

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Any one of Championship's or Simonis' cloths will work just fine. Even in the humid environment. However, what will cause issues is wide changes in humidity. The dehumidifier will work wonders. And, you don't have to leave it on all the time. But, you would want to turn it on a few hours before you're going to play pool. This will give the cloth a chance to release some of the moisture and contract as well.
      If you install the cloth in a humid environment, when it dries out in the winter and spring it will contract (making it tighter - this is a good thing). If, however, you install the cloth in a dry environment, when it gets more humid, the cloth will become loose (not a good thing). So, I would be more concerned with humidity conditions on the day you install it than anything else.
      Once installed, use the dehumidifier to keep the humidity levels LOWER than they were when the cloth was first installed. Again, this should only take a few hours before playing.

    • @HoosierRooster
      @HoosierRooster 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      760 without a doubt

  • @mambofats
    @mambofats 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the video and all others. Nowhere else this level of info available. Question: I'm looking for an outside table, that will be covered when not played upon. Any recommendations? Stain Resistant or Teflon recommended?. My game is primarily straight pool and one pocket. Thanks for taking time to answer... Keep up the good work. Alain

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      For an outdoor table, you should use a fabric called "Sunbrella". You can purchase it through Sailrite.

  • @bobkincaid3198
    @bobkincaid3198 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    hey Doug, I spoke to you other day on table cloths, and you mentioned a cloth you would recommend over the simonis 860, and for the life of me can not remember what it was exactly, if you recall speaking to me and what you had said i would appreciate it, ohh and I got the table moved safely was heavier than I thought lol but all is good

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Hi Bob,
      Glad moving the table worked out well for you!
      The cloth I mentioned was the Championship Tour Edition 3030. This is going to be the equivalent in play to the Simonis; but, in my opinion, is the superior cloth.
      Hope this helps!
      Doug

  • @txproudproudamerican9474
    @txproudproudamerican9474 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've got an 8' outdoor table that I'm restoring and still struggling with what type of cloth to put on it. It's going on my covered patio and will never get rained on and very little sun light in the evening as the sun lowers below my patio cover. I do not want to use Sunbella cloth and was thinking about putting Simonis 860HR because that 's what is used on the Diamond 9' tools at our pool hall. However, when listening to this video, at about 36.11, you stated that you may suggest Simonis 760 on a garage kept table. I then discovered that Simonis makes an outdoor 760 cloth and now I'm struggling on if I should go with the Simonis outdoor 760 or Simonis 860HR. Since I've never played on 760 I was wondering if the 760 is so much faster than the 860hr, that I should just stay with the 860? Have you had any experience with Simonis outdoor 760 and any thoughts of what to use if you were going to put cloth on my table? I know that either cloth has possible pros and cons so I'm not going to get upset if one or the other ends up being a crappy choice, but just wondering what type you think may work better?

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If it were my pool table, I would go with the Sunbrella. It really does play quite well. However, if you are dead-set on not using it and going with Simonis (which I think is a waste of money - given the application) I would go with the 860HR. The 760 plays a LOT faster than the 860.
      I know the temptation and pressure from other pool players is to go with Simonis. As a professional installer and technician (who has no stake in how your table comes out or how much money you spend or where you spend it), I would resist that temptation and go with a tried-and-true fabric for an outdoor application - Sunbrella.

    • @txproudproudamerican9474
      @txproudproudamerican9474 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CreativeRestorations Ok, that rules out the Simonis 760 outdoor. I was already thinking it would be to fast. I'm going take a trip to a few billiard dealers around Austin and see if they have an outdoor table with Sunbrella cloth on it to see what it is like. Thanks

  • @Oledad
    @Oledad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I got a 9 foot brunswick. In a detached garage that is heated and cooled but will be economically heated and cooled. I'm in Kentucky climate wise. I feel like a pretty good player. Been playing for about 20 years. I'm mainly a 9ball and 8ball player but will be playing all the different games. Which would you recommend?

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I would recommend either 860 Simonis, Championship Tour Edition 3030 or Championship ProAm.
      Any one of these cloths would be great for your table and the games you play. However, if your skill level is high enough and you've got your fundamentals down pat, then, you could narrow it down to the Championship ProAm. It's a bit faster than either the 860 or TE 3030 but not as fast as the 760 Simonis. My personal opinion is, unless you're playing on a snooker table, steer clear of 760 Simonis. It's too fast and it requires the player to have to adjust his game WAY too much when playing on one table vs. another.
      Look at it this way.... If you perfect your game on a medium speed cloth, it is far easier to adjust your speed and power to adapt to either faster or slower cloth. Conversely, if you perfect your game on exceptionally slow or exceptionally fast cloth, it's a much bigger adjustment (and learning curve) to play on the opposite cloth.
      Just my $0.02.

    • @Oledad
      @Oledad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@CreativeRestorations I will definitely take your advice. I was already leaning towards the 860 but I’ll check out the Championship ProAm as well.
      Thanks again!

  • @AllLiveRounds
    @AllLiveRounds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very good videos, I just purchased a very old dime coin Op pool table think from the late 40s early 50s the seller told me. Im keeping it in my unheated garage and its smaller 6.5ft by 3.5. Im very bad at pool but my brother is in leagues and is very good. He wanted me to get 760 Sim for when he comes over, what would you suggest being that its a small table in an unheated / cooled garage? Thanks for the videos helped me put this thing back together :)

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In my opinion, 760 Simonis is WAY too fast for that little table! I would go with either 860 Simonis, Championship Tour Edition 3030 or, even better, the Championship Valley Teflon Ultra.
      If you aren't a good player, having that professional cloth is going to be wasted on you (no offense). It would be FAR better if you were to learn the game on a less expensive cloth and then, if and when you get better at it, go with the TE 3030 or the 860 Simonis.

    • @AllLiveRounds
      @AllLiveRounds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CreativeRestorations perfect thank you for the response and great videos.

  • @mikemargheret3174
    @mikemargheret3174 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What’s ur cloth recommendation for a beginner on an oversized 8’ table? Is 860 worth it? What is the championship equivalent? Better to learn on a “faster” cloth and adjust from there? Thank you for the videos!

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would recommend the Championship Tour Edition 3030 over the Simonis 860. Same speed between the two. Championship is much easier to install. And, it lasts longer.

  • @chev7499
    @chev7499 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just bought a gandy big g 38 x 76 the smaller 7'. I do play 8 ball apa rank 5 and upa rank 7. The table will be set up inside my home. What type of cloth would you recommend. Thank you for your help.

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      860 Simonis or Championship Tour Edition would be the fastest cloth I would recommend for that table. Anything faster than those two and you most likely won't be happy with your game play.

    • @chev7499
      @chev7499 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CreativeRestorations thanks again.

  • @russelltullis2570
    @russelltullis2570 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yessir I have a bar on caye caulker its off the coast of belize the cloth I got from mexico dosent have a backing the name is hollywood billiards which side of the cloth goes up ?

  • @txproudproudamerican9474
    @txproudproudamerican9474 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What's your thoughts about the felt that have logos printed on them? They use standard 18oz polyester based pool felt that has a Teflon ant-friction coating. The felt has a stain resistant coating to protect against unwanted spills. It offers excellent print capabilities via a dye sublimation process. Their professional billiard cloth is a worsted blend of 70% Merino wool and nylon. It’s treated with a stain resistant coating to protect against spills and stains, but is comes with a very hefty price tag. My table will be on my large back patio, which is covered, and the table will never get direct sunlight. Temps do however get up to over 100 degrees in the summer. I'm thing of having a craps casino table logo printed on the felt. I know that's a lot to have going on so any words of wisdom so my jump off of this cliff isn't as fatal as it could be?
    ( Now that I'm thinking about it maybe I'll have craps print on one half and a chess board printed on the other side!! just kidding!!)
    I'm also wondering what's the best rail rubber to use. I've seen some info that the humidity will speed up the ball action off the rails.

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've never been a fan of printed cloth. There are 2 ways of printing on cloth. 1) use basically an oversized ink-jet printer designed for printing on fabric (which is the process you're referring to) and 2) silk-screening. Neither holds up well.
      Using the first method, they start out with a cloth that is designed to be printed on using this method. In other words, the cloth is NOT designed to be good for playing pool. Also, it usually looks decent for about 3 months (assuming the table gets moderate use). Then, it rapidly begins to fade. This cloth also doesn't preform anywhere near as well as legit pool table fabric.
      In the second method, they start out with actual pool table cloth. But, they apply a heavy ink to the fabric. Once dry, the ink takes on a rubber-like feel and texture. This effects how the ball rolls (especially when you apply English to the ball) when it hits those areas. Again, it usually looks good for about 3 months (with moderate use). Then, the ink starts to wear and look VERY bad.
      Someone taught me a LONG time ago this lesson:
      "With everything you gain, you give something up."
      With printed cloth, you are giving up cloth longevity, performance and money for the small gain of having a print on your cloth that only looks good for about 3 months.
      The absolute best rubber made is Artemis. However, unless you are a professional pool player, I doubt you would notice the differences between Championship MBS rubber, Tour Edition rubber, Brunswick Superspeed rubber, Olhausen's Accufast rubber, or Artemis rubber.

    • @txproudproudamerican9474
      @txproudproudamerican9474 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CreativeRestorations Thanks for the words of wisdom. I found a used Olhausen that's only two years old so I'm going to use and enjoy the table the way it should be instead of putting that junk on it. Thanks again!!

  • @axfrayberg
    @axfrayberg ปีที่แล้ว

    Does anyone have experience with Championships Pro-Am line of worsted cloth? According to their site, it is worsted but slightly thinner and less ounces, so I am wondering if it may be comparable to Simonis 860. Anyone?

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  ปีที่แล้ว

      Pro-Am is closer to Simonis 760. Their Tour Edition 3030 is closer to 860.

  • @bobstaats8127
    @bobstaats8127 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    No problem with me...but...you may want to edit a bit at about the 30 minutes in point (where you get interrupted by a phone call/test).
    I enjoy your vids. Good info.

  • @wojo9732
    @wojo9732 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is proline billiard cloth good?

  • @kurtishickey6778
    @kurtishickey6778 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm looking at buying Gandy big G. It needs a new cloth. I have been in a league and rated a 6. However that was many moons ago. I am was hoping to get back in the sport. So what would you recomend?

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What size Big G? Also, when you say "league", are you playing 8 ball league? Or, 9 ball league?

    • @kurtishickey6778
      @kurtishickey6778 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CreativeRestorationsmostly 8 with some 9 ball and need to learn 1 pocket

    • @kurtishickey6778
      @kurtishickey6778 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CreativeRestorations oh its an 8 foot big g

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My first choice would be Championship Tour Edition 3030. Second would be Simonis 860. Anything faster than that would be counterproductive.

    • @kurtishickey6778
      @kurtishickey6778 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CreativeRestorations ok thanks. Very helpful.

  • @giannirocco7493
    @giannirocco7493 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doug. First of all I want to thank you for all your great videos that you have posted to TH-cam. Through your work, you have allowed the larger billiard Community to understand the Mystique, marketing, and Miss information regarding billiard table repair and cloth selection. I have a question I would like to pose to you as a professional. I have a valley model 13 pool table which is an old 6-footer. My local installer here in the Los Angeles area who I've known for over 30 years suggests Championship 3030 which I have played on many times on bar tables and on 9 Footers. In your opinion, do you think do you think 3030 is too fast for a 6ft table? The reason I ask you is my local installer/friend stated that he "prefers" to only use 3030 because of its weight and its ability to stretch tightly. I personally think that 860 or Gorina Basalt maybe a perfect cloth for that smaller table because it would allow me better to ball control. Please advise if you can. Thank you!

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tour Edition 3030 is going to play almost exactly as fast as the 860.
      With that being said, both could be considered as a bit fast for a 6 foot table. However, given the lack of an even slower "professional" fabric on the market, it's about the best you're going to be able to get.
      I'm not a fan of Simonis. I personally prefer the Tour Edition 3030 (as an installer and player). As for the Gorina, I've never dealt with it. If you're considering it, be sure to do as much research as possible before making a final decision. Try to avoid the hype. And, most importantly, don't listen to "fanboys". If a player is giving you cloth advice, toss it out the window. Look for objective facts about the differences, advantages, and disadvantages of each fabric. Fanboys tend to get emotionally invested in their decision process. Once emotionally invested, they'll try to get others to follow them strictly for validation. In other words, make your decision based on facts and what's best for your needs. Not someone else's.
      Thanks for watching!!!

    • @giannirocco7493
      @giannirocco7493 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CreativeRestorations Doug. Thank you very much for responding to my regarding cloth selection. am going to go with the championship 30-30 as I am familiar with the cloth's durability, playability and quality. Moreover, if I wanted to switch to a k-55 cushion profile instead of my current U23, I can get off the shelf rails covered with 3030 from penguin for this 6-foot table. Ridgeback does not make rails for a valley 6ft table. FYI: Gorina Granito Basalt cloth is almost identical to 860...(88%/12%) but somewhat cheaper. Please keep your instructional videos coming! I wish we had more table technicians on the west coast like you! Gianni

  • @sheilamclaughlin963
    @sheilamclaughlin963 ปีที่แล้ว

    Short rack banks is also played quite a bit

  • @bruce9108
    @bruce9108 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thoughts on Andy Cloth the room I go to has Diamond tables with Andy cloth.?

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  ปีที่แล้ว

      I've never used it. So, I can't give an educated opinion of it. I will say, though, of all the cloth I've tried over the last 30 years, Championship Tour Edition is by FAR my favorite!

  • @ddgibson2000
    @ddgibson2000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you or anyone else here tell me if there’s a speed difference between tour edition and pro am from championship. Slightly concerned tour may be faster than what I’m trying to achieve, invitational a will be too slow for my needs.

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sure...
      Pro-Am is the faster of the two fabrics. Although almost as durable as the Tour Edition, it's thinner and faster. Personally, I find the Tour Edition to be a happy median.

    • @ddgibson2000
      @ddgibson2000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CreativeRestorations thank you for your input, sounds like tour it is. Really enjoy your videos, great content and info.

  • @anon82037
    @anon82037 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My installer recommended napped wool for 7 ft table. I've asked for worsted is worsted (championship touring)cloth too fast for 7 ft table? It's a new install of a used table.

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Championship Tour Edition is a wonderful cloth for 7' tables. I highly recommend it.

    • @anon82037
      @anon82037 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CreativeRestorations Thanks

  • @charlesvanloucks474
    @charlesvanloucks474 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What do u think about the mercury speed felt as a less expensive alternative? Putting it on an 8 foot table. Ive been competing for 20 plus years and want to hone my skills during home practice. By the way this is on an outdoor table in Colorado. I have waterproof covers and water sealants on the wood. I know most large tournaments and leagues use simonis and diamond tables but I'd like to find a great budget friendly speed cloth. I really need to be precise with my English control and how it reacts on the felt when practicing. Any others u really like for my uses? Champ Invitational?

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      For any table that's going to be outdoors, I would recommend a fabric called "Sunbrella". You can purchase it directly from a company called Sailrite.

    • @charlesvanloucks474
      @charlesvanloucks474 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CreativeRestorations great! How does it play? Fast or slow?

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@charlesvanloucks474 I would assume it plays relatively fast.
      I don't have nor have I ever played on an outdoor pool table. But, the Sunbrella cloth is the industry standard, go-to cloth for outdoor tables. I know it's the only cloth that will hold up under those conditions. And I've heard that there isn't much difference in the way it plays than with indoor cloths. I will say this though, it's a bitch to install!

    • @charlesvanloucks474
      @charlesvanloucks474 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CreativeRestorations I have 2 very heavy duty waterproof covers for the table. Do u think that if I used one of these indoor speed cloths and a small amount of water occasionally got on the cloth it would ruin it?

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@charlesvanloucks474 Yes. I do.
      Just the extreme swings in humidity will either ruin indoor cloth or make it practically un-playable.
      There's a reason why we use indoor cloth on indoor tables and outdoor cloth on outdoor tables.
      Even though the Sunbrella is very difficult to install, it's the absolute best at handling outdoor conditions. Indoor cloth will become extremely loose with even a 40% increase in humidity. And, it can contract enough to rip itself from the staples or glue with a 40% decrease in humidity. The Sunbrella is a completely synthetic fabric. It doesn't expand or contract with humidity or temperature changes.

  • @dougsimpson3330
    @dougsimpson3330 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you have a good pool game you can play on any felt

  • @djsnowman06
    @djsnowman06 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ok, I am building a pool table. I play 8, 9, and straight pool. I am marginally better than average pool player (I am clearly not delusional about my capabilities lol)
    The table is an 8 footer built as close to WPA specs as I can muster with with sub rails cut for k66 rubber.
    Few q's. Which cloth would you go with for me? Is worsted cloth worth the extra $? What rubber would you recommend?
    Not trying to break the bank is tough lol. Thanks!

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I personally would get Championship Tour Edition. However, since you do play straight pool as well, then, you could consider their ProAm cloth (since it is a bit faster).
      As for rubber, I would say the same. Either their ProAm or Tour Edition rubber. Artemis rubber would still be overkill. Even pros don't really play on tables with Artemis.
      Simonis is good cloth. But, it's NOWHERE near as forgiving during the installation. Plus, in my experience, it doesn't quite last as long as Championship.

    • @djsnowman06
      @djsnowman06 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CreativeRestorations oh wow! Thanks for getting back to me so quick! Yea the price for Artemis seemed obscene compared to some of the other quality brands.
      Thanks again

  • @shanu6478
    @shanu6478 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How to reconstruct a pocket, the material in mine is ruined and the net isn't in good too .

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can try bankshotbilliards.com.
      As far as I'm aware, they're the only company in the country that restores pockets.

  • @graydude4698
    @graydude4698 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👽 thx.

  • @theSFamily1323
    @theSFamily1323 ปีที่แล้ว

    What kind of felt can I use for outdoor 7’ pool table

  • @Ravencroft81
    @Ravencroft81 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bankpool : all scoring shots in the game must be made by banking a called ball off a cushion. Seems logical you want higher speed cloth to travel further over more cushions.

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had a brain fart about bank pool. Forgive me. We all have them.

    • @Ravencroft81
      @Ravencroft81 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CreativeRestorations First time I saw the bank pool championship I thought it was sponsored by a bank and thought they were showing off by playing it off cushions. 😅

  • @k.g.8407
    @k.g.8407 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about Andy cloth 988

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It seems like a decent cloth. But, it isn't widely accepted in the U.S.. So, it's entirely possible that it plays completely different than anything you're used to playing on. If you get used to playing on it at home, then, you've got a an uphill climb trying to get used to playing on either Simonis or Championship cloths when playing anywhere else.
      Personally, I would stick with either Simonis or Championship.

  • @chinesetextile247
    @chinesetextile247 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it is graet

  • @JeezVince
    @JeezVince 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:00 Bank pool is pocketing every ball with a ban, no kick shot.

  • @christopherweick5903
    @christopherweick5903 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Bank pool is it’s own sport , all shots are banks and kicks

    • @mathewlast5514
      @mathewlast5514 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No kicks into a pocket in true Bank Pool. Called banks only and no coincidental ball contact. Kick into a bank only, (good luck !!)

    • @2869may
      @2869may หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mathewlast5514 I see 3 rail kicks in bank pool all the time....

  • @georgea6403
    @georgea6403 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Surprised you didn’t discuss the guys level of play before you decided on what felt to use.

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Usually a really good pool player will let you know what type of cloth he wants. First time in 30 years a high ranking league player didn't tell me what cloth he wanted.

  • @hardtimesbbq5265
    @hardtimesbbq5265 ปีที่แล้ว

    First table as a teen had a carpet cloth, slow as a rug, nothing is worse.

  • @wendellwatson6015
    @wendellwatson6015 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about editing out the profanity? Thought I was watching a family friendly video but then you dropped the bomb.

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It isn't a "family friendly" channel. I never said that it was. This is a channel dedicated to imparting information about a subject relatively few people preform in the world. Although I try to keep profanity out of my content, I'm not perfect. Nor have I ever professed to be. I would find it a bit weird if a family wanted to sit around watching my videos as a form of "family entertainment".
      As for editing it out... I didn't even know it was there until you said something about it. You are the first person to have commented about there being a foul word there since it was uploaded over a year ago. The only way to edit it out would be to delete the video and reupload it. That's not going to happen. Far too many views on it now to let that go to waste.

  • @brucecheung
    @brucecheung 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    funny!

  • @lenart798
    @lenart798 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Snooker cloth has a nap.

  • @sheilamclaughlin963
    @sheilamclaughlin963 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hate dark purple cloth and I’d bet that navy blue, black, dark green r the same, r very hard for my tired old eyes to see on, in the shadows of the rails the dark balls r hard to see for down the rail shots

  • @TheMercer007
    @TheMercer007 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wanted to buy a Champion 3020 Pro Am 8ft fabric, the company is telling me they have that in stock, i recieved an invoice that quotes for: Invitational Teflon. My table is in a heated/ AC'd basement. I guess i should drop this business trying to cheat me.

    • @CreativeRestorations
      @CreativeRestorations  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We sell both 3020 and Invitational on our website.
      billiardsofneworleans.com

  • @Ret_Lineman
    @Ret_Lineman 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hate fast cloth. No control and no stroke needed to move the ball around 760 should only be put on billiards tables

    • @kevinwillen4178
      @kevinwillen4178 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just need to be more delicate. But faster table gives more potential on the table.