Looking at RTX 3060 PCBs from MSI, EVGA, Zotac and Palit
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ต.ค. 2024
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This isn't filler! This is the stuff we want atm!
i'm almost certain this is not the product you might have wanted in the first place ...this card should have had 6gigs of vram ahahhaha
Speak for yourself. I want Actually Hardcore Overclocking and I ain't getting any.
0:00 - rambling about possible memory configs/PCB reuse
9:50 - MSI 3060 Gaming X Trio - 2x 8pin
15:45 - Zotac 3060 AMP White Edition - 2x 8pin
21:14 - EVGA 3060 XC and Palit Dual OC - 1x 8pin
U forgot the palit
@@ecosti look closer at that last timestamp
@@joefowble dont mind me , im blind xD soz
PCB analysis make me *M O I S T*
I'd be happy to hear Buildzoids thoughts about 3070 FE vs others :)
It's never been so exhilarating to watch someone pull up component data sheets
Buildzoid is MY bestfriend:)
That Zotac card looks nice. Not the first time I've said that, but the first time it wasn't based mostly on price.
My biggest concern with shitty VRMs:
Longevity.
E-Waste is an increasing problem we HAVE to address. The first step is to simply make things last as long as possible so they can be used for years and than passed on to somebody else on the used market.
I consider shitty "make it as cheap as possible" GPUs a waste of ressources.
From the Zotac store on 02/28/2021: rtx 3060 start at $479.99 Ouch!
Zotac went full YOLO for their 3060 mining rigs lol
Mining first, mining last. Zotac.
Yup, that was the plan from the beginning. It is better for long term use manufacture better PCB for low power use GPU than consumers returning on warranty broken ones...
Yup, good idea.
lovely ahoc content
I'm curious if the other Zotac 3060 models are using Zotacs 3060 Ti circuit board. The cooler on the 3060 AMP looks the same as it's 3070 (but white), but their base 3060 and the OC version looks like their 3060 Ti version. If this is so, why would they do that?
1st 10 min = GTX 970 3.5/4.
yeah, sounded exactly like 970 again
"you would have 2 gb ram on 32 bits, you wouldnt do that!&
*cries in gtx 970*
This should be interesting. Who tried the hardest to hide a 💩 VRM with RGB.
It’s a shit card in general lol
@@hsharma3933Why because some random normie doesn't like the card?? A entry level card that has the same core count and memory capacity as a GTX titan 12gb from five years ago. With considerably higher performance across the board for 1/3 the price. Min maxing between cards aside this level of performance is a massive step forward over the hardware it will displace.
@@alt5494 Would you buy a new card with the same performance fpr the same price just years later? Guess no.
@@alt5494 who the fack even compare a consumer card value to a flex card ? are you a nvidia employee ? the fact is that this next gen card only deliver slightly better value than last gen 2060 super
@@alt5494 and also this pos card has the same performance target as 1060, both targeting 1080p 60 at the time they release, except this is 329 while 1060 is 250, there is zero PROGRESSION after 5 years. 1440p 60 should be minimum standard for any card that cost more than 300 now
you can use the middle mouse click to open a link in a new tab...and also you can just select a text, click, hold and drag it to the top in chrome to search or just select, right-click, search google for the text ... thank me later bro...
They came out and promptly vanished. Still, I watch. Closest will get to one for a while 🙄
Good luck getting one.
Looking at 3060 it does seem like a sweet spot for 1440p up to 144hz (75-144fps gaming).
Nice video😆😆, did you have this kind of video for 3060 Ti & 3070?
This isn't filler darn it!
Oh a suggestion why don't u start giving lectures on electronics, electronic components?he he that would help a lot to understand what u r saying easily.
Nice video. But suffers the same issue any other rtx 3000 series video from any reviewer. AIB designs matters not, because you buy what you can find. It is not like you have a choice really.
Suggestions are back out again 😂
5:20 and yet some big tech tubers keep saying 12 gigs is just marketing. And reddit keeps regurgitating the same statement and refusing to accept 6 gigs would be too little in any scenario.
Indeed they do... All the techtubers have their bias' and people should learn that what they say is not gospel.
Especially with games moving to ps5 and series x standards 6gb wont be enough for 1080p.
Juat like people were saying 2gb cards were fine at the start of the ps4 xbox one generation that didnt last long.
@@WayStedYou Yup. You already can't even max out textures in Doom Eternal at 1080p with a 6 gig card.
12 gigs is marketing.
This will be at 12fps by the time its using over 10GB (used, not that reporting noobs believe).
256bit and 8gb would have been better, if it wasn't....3060ti and 3070 wouldn't use it.
AHO, could you do a pbc/mosfett/vrm breakdowns of all the major brands lowend RTX3060TI and 3070 cards perhabs ?
I'd be very interested in a video like this for the RTX 3070. Word is some cards have awful VRMs like the MSI Gaming X Trio (which seems to be one of the most available cards and is meant to be their competitor for the Asus TUF gaming which I hear is the benchmark for a good mid range card) but I genuinely wouldn't know what i'm looking at, and you have a good way of explaining why a VRM is or isn't very good.
You probably shouldn't feel bad about using TechPowerUp's website. Thanks to you I go there several times a day at least. It is a good website.
please do the same analyst for 3060ti pcb =)
G'day Buildzoid,
it is interesting Zotac has the best VRM out of these you looked at today, they seem to me to follow the same practice as ASRock, they both tend to do a Good job on the Expensive Models & a Terrible Job on the Budget Models, but
We still have some RTX3060s available in shops here in Australia, although variety has gone down to only a couple of models from the 7 available yesterday, plus our prices are $749AUD & up,
which considering we are at $1.29AUD to $1USD that is the worst pricing mark up I have seen in a long time, even GTX1650 is $329 which is $100AUD more than last year
The 3060 is rather disappointing, Nvidia made the GA106 too small only marginally improved over TU106 in regards to SM count, memory bandwith, etc. In the end we got a 20% performance increase compared to the previous gen product 2 years ago. Essentially 2060 Super / 2070 performance, for 350 usd (without even taking scalping into account) not good enough.
i think the desktop 3060 is cut down as well
Since turing was such a disastrous performance increase, having the 3070 be as slow as it is and the 3080 forced to go onto 102 just to get it in acceptable performance should have been enough of a warning but this 3060 is really disappointing. Nvidia seems to be either sandbagging or falling behind the curve. They're letting amd catch up and I dunno if that's a smart move.
Maybe those datasheets weren't public at first, but then decided that they should be public, so they published them without removing the "confidential" text
thats the white amp edition, i think the basic twin edge too has 5 capacitors? and the oc twin edge has 6 or something?
they should have kept a 256 bit bus and saved the crap 192bit for 3050ti with 6gb and 3050 and had a 3030 at 160bit bus (so they can still use defective dies).
NVIDIA doesn't care for efficiency I guess. They sell the "premium".
3030🤡
@@arthurcuesta6041 sadly yes efficiency, usability, and waste nvidia cares nothing about.
@asdrubale bisanzio that is a false narrative nvidia would normally put those "defective" but functional dies into lower binned gaming cards nvidia used to have a high bin numbering for many cards for over clocking and a lower binned one for non oc models. aka I can tell everyone i have this non functional car it can turn on drive stop and do everything another car can but it will use 25% more gas to do so. This is all marketing to make everyone not freakout as bad when they take gpu stock from the market to increase stock prices and sell more expensive mining gpus. However there is a rumor they are using 2000 series silicon for the lower end models of mining card
@asdrubale bisanzio I'm fully aware the 2060 ko is 2080 dies that have been fused off but apparently not completely in so that it has 2060 proformance in games but is more similar to 2070 proformance in applications like blender if those cards had more powerful vrms and other components they could out proform many 2060s because they were technically 2080s many 2070s were made from silicon destined to be 2080s but either have failed some test or had faulty cus TU104-150-KC-A1,TU104-400-A1,TU104-410-A1, TU104-400A-A1 those are all based on the TU104 these dies may all come from the same wafer, but have met different standards the 400 and 400a are litterally binned dies for 2080s the 410s are for 2070s and the 150s are often used in 2060s, again tu104-410 and 150s in the mindset you said would become mining compute cards as the full die is meant for 2080s we'd not have 2070 supers or 2060 kos, now in dealing with the current generation the standard 3060 only uses a 192 bit memory bus 3070s have a 256 cards that have a partially faulty memory controller but pass otherwise could be re binned[assigned a new serial number] and reissued at cheaper cost for vendors and made into budget cards that are fully functional like they always have been.
Buildzoid will you do a pcb breakdown of the sapphire liquid cooled 6900xt toxic atomic ?
6GB at 289 would have been a better card imho, there is the 3060ti at 400 already so a sub 300 would be a good card. nV (and the fabs respecticely) are pricecreeping this I dont think well see a good sub 300 card anytime soon.
Its like always Nvidia will bring for every 20 dollars dofference a new card...making everything f expensive and lower buuild numbers for one type.
at msrp of $329 at $12 per gb would mean a cost savings of $72 leading to a $257(259) equitable msrp that would have been an unbelievable deal. if nvidia get a 50% discount on gddr6 it would still be $297 card I hope they make another card called the 3060 6gb at a lower price but that's erode their 3060ti and 3070 sales
You'll get a 3050 ti or super for sub-300 I think
@@cybervoid8442 that's what I'm expecting with proformance between the old 1060 and 1070 since we didn't get a proper 2050 class card (I dont count the 1650)
You could do a 8GB 3060 , NVIDIA yes, yes we can and will charge nearly the same as the 12gb card just because.
Can anyone tell me why msi pcb looks so empty?
hearing "wack" and "random" on such expensive cards really shows where the industry is going
3:32 Is the 32-bits for the asymmetrical layout correct?
With a 32bit width for each memory module wouldn't 2 modules use a 64bit bus instead?
Just asking though, since I may be a bit confused on how the controller works. 🤔
Is there anything in the hardware choices that's "anti-mining"?
Full pcbs Breakdown please
Goat Bless TP
How are the regular Zotac cards though?
I'm looking at this in the event I can afford a 3050, lol. Lower end is appreciated, even mobo's.
Ahhh yes, the Titan X Pascal version 4.0
Titan x maxwell.
Pascal titan/1080ti was actuall kinda good atleast for single precision.
Somehow Zotac makes the most powerful VRM this time
It's the amp edition in this review and the zotac non amp 3060 is $500 on their us store. Sounds like it's built up to cash in on limited availability.
Keep it up
its be a meh video card four years ago and yet its still instantly sold out in 2021
Four years ago it would be 5 percent slower than a 1080ti for 329 it would sell out instantly
@@WayStedYou where are you seeing this only 5% slower than a 1080ti? the 1440p numbers i saw for this sucked
I shorted pins 2 and 3 of the cable fan socket. 12-5 v is ok, 1.8v pex , mem, vdd voltages are not. Is the gpu damaged? :( 1.8 side 0 ohm ) help please
Not matching the right memory amount to the controller would be another 970 fiasco. While it wasn't as bad as rumored, it was bad enough to hurt Nvidia.
Should have just given it a 256bit bus and 8gb instead 192bit and 12gb.
Your content isn't filler at all. At least to me. It's totally unique. Nobody else does this sort of analysis in video form
3:40 Yes you wouldn't do that after the GTX970 fiasco, you surely wouldn't 😉. I know that was probably a different config but with the same results
15:27 Free spare parts, what's not to like?
Will it run Transport Tycoon?
I didn't understand much, but I love this shit.
so the way they would do 8 GB is how they did 4GB on the GTX 970? (edit)* writing comments before watching entire video.... ALSO (checks dead MSI am3+ motherboard in basement) yep, those mosfets
what if you reballed the faster chip to it could you add gddr6
how about some msi z590 mobos?
Well they could just use an other controller with an other interface that would ve the choice i guess.
Suggestion free comment passing by :)
So if Nvidia felt like it, they could slap the memory chips of the 3060 on the 3070 and it would be a 12GB 3070?
a 12GB 3070 would be slow because it would be on a 192bit memory controller. A 16GB 3070 would work properly tho.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking ahhhhhhhh somewhere in an alternate universe Nvidia is a bunch of mad lads doing stuff like that
lets go
got one
Never thought I would want a zotac card, but now I do😅
good luck getting it lol
At this hellish market I would want any card that's in stock, even cheap chinese cards
Hi buildzoid, If you could buy a old card to play with, wich one wouldn't you choose? Please take in consideration that I value power efficiency.
I got a 3090... Shame I got the literal worst one possible, the Zotac Trinity. Can't even increase the power limit to 110%. And memory is horrifically cooled. But best thing, it has a plastic backplate. A $1500 GPU has a plastic backplate!!!
Just enjoy it. 3-4 more fps won't make a difference. Think of the poor pci slot not having to hold another half pound up.
Doing the "pre-built gamble" I got a PNY brand XLR8 3080 last week in a Skytech "Blaze 3.0". Like a lot of them they just say you will get "a 3080" but not which specific one.
It doesn't show up high on any lists. It says factory boost is just 1750MHz. Without tweaking it, Afterburner said it maxed at 2055 though. That's a little better than most of the other "better" cards. I'm just going to leave it as is.
I haven't tapped on it to see what's made of. Don't plan on pushing it. I just want it to do it's job. Super fast 3D renders and lots o' fpses "out of the box".
Teckpowerup always mentions, that their pcb pictures are free to use. You don't need to feel bad about it.
But I guess not doing any actual work and getting tons of clicks automatically makes you feel bad.
I want to understand who disliked this VIDEO !!??
Call me when these are available for MSRP.
By the time you answer the phone, they'll be out of stock.
you are getting better at google kung fu
Why are we assuming this guy knows what he is talking about? It's all suggestion and inference but without any real explanation. I generally understand the mutterings and I assume everyone else does but this isn't good Mr Buildzoid.
Say what you will about zotac and their quality in recent generations.. but they're absolutely killing it this gen..
Why?
Because I CAN ACTUALLY BUY THEM CONSISTENTLY from their broken ass hacked together website
I can buy these cards where I live.
it think these cards are available everywhere just not at MSRP but scalping prices
Uumm, err, actually, uum
Man its hard listening to you sometimes
hows gigabyte rtx 3060 eagle 12gb.. i will buying that only.
what
2060 super is just as fast. Why spend the extra 400 for nothing
@@Barryhick186 for vram n newer architecture. i hv i7 7700 non k 32gb vengeance ddr4 2400hz, cooler master v650 80 plus gold psu, all on msi b250 pro vh
@@Barryhick186 2060S is more expensive used than the 3060 new
@@Barryhick186 olso im exactly jumping from msi gtx 1060 6gb. sold off 3 months back. i wanted d cheapest RTX card wd more vram.. my i7 7700 non k max supports 3070 performance but it still lacks 8gb vram.
my 3060 use 10gb VRAM in horizen zero dawn
Does anyone know which 3060 would be able to be manually overclocked the most, the EVGA 3060 XC, or the MSI 3060 Gaming X (non trio)
12gb is only good in 4k which this card isnt even made for:)
There are extrawide monitors that are 1440p, but because they are so wide, they have almost same amount of pixels as a normal 4K monitor. That is why 12 gigs of VRAM is better than 6 gigs. So it is not just marketing.
F R E S H
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Fan of zotac? TF?
First to comment first
Why can't you put a 3060 chip in a 3070 board? Then you could get the 8 GB! Not crazy 12 GB.
Some of these are 3070 boards as he said. It's the memory lane silly... Did you even watch the video??
Uh... I think you missed about 32 minutes of video explaining this.
If you don't mind, would you please add colour to pointer? Or something unique, is quite hard to follow through, white things over white things. Thank you very much! Great content!