@@MrJohnylompoc Up to 12, and that's a little harsh, First Amendment and all that, same thing that lets us say they should be beaten with a rubber hose, mostly jokingly.
Great video though, actually I hadn't heard of the Modlite; seems like a great option for something compact and lightweight but can still pack a photonic punch.
Excellent comparison video guys. The drone angle straight down was amazing for comparing beam focus, and I have no doubt I'll be referring back to this video for comparisons before purchases.
Great video guys, thank you for taking the time to shine some light on current weaponlights and their effectiveness. The P&S crew is truly one of the best for delivering real-world information. It was truly illuminating!
Is there a point where a light becomes too bright? Yes. When you direct a light onto a subject and that subject instantly bursts into flame, the light is almost too bright.
Thank you for the work everyone put in to make this video happen and for including the ending where various topics were discussed. Discussions like that got me to take low light classes to overcome my ignorance about how to use white light for defensive use.
I am damn proud that my Patreon $$ is going to support awesome content like this for both P&S and InRangeTV. I can't wait to see the rest of the content from this shoot.
Great video! Even though a camera doesn't gather light like the human eye, the relative effects of the various lights was evident. This is an excellent video for researching light choices.
Awesome video! I really appreciate y'alls effort in these videos and honestly this seems to be the only video that actually shows results of practical applications for WMLs. I mainly have a Surefire M600 Duel Fuel Scout on my HD AR. It does well for my house, but I have noticed 40 yards and beyond it washes out when I hog hunted with it. Definitely going to checkout the Cloud Defensive OWL and ModLite OKW. I use Cloud's LCS mounts for my surefire and love it. OWL maybe perfect.
I knew this video was going to be good stuff when I heard Metal Gear sound effects. I wasn't wrong. Great stuff guys. I'm now very interested in the Modlight offerings.
I had thought the OKW would be too narrow to be useful in under 50, but damn was I wrong. Not ready to replace my SFDF lights yet (just got them before Modlite revealed themselves) but they're gonna be the replacements when the time comes.
This is an amazing video!! I have 2 m600df’s, some various M300’s and a streamlight HLX. Watching this really made me consider getting the Modlight. But, I like having the option to run both the cr123’s or 18650’s. Probably gonna stick with the DF.
Great video! Nothing like "seeing" the differences in the lights. The points made about what it would take to return fire suggest that perhaps we need to tape a mirror to a clean target (with the light behind steel cover) to see just how effective someone could return fire when faced with a light. Also, if you have a more powerful light than your adversary, it might make a difference in the range at which each of you could engage the other.
Would it be possible to get built proof glass and use the different light options to protect light from getting destroyed and have I IDPA target set up in front of glass and let some of these people shoot towards the light and different distances to put to rest if you can get hits on target by simply aiming at the light. That would put some of the questions to rest. My hypothesis is yes some one who can shoot a hand gun would hit target many times with 15 rounds shooting towards the light. It be very interesting test.
why is there no Olights?!I have the Valkyrie pl-mini2 and its a great little compact weapon light...very bright too... 600 lumens and rechargeable. If you waitto buy on a holiday sale then you can grab them up for about 50% off on some of Olights products..they sent me a tiny keychain light for buying a couple PL-minis and it's an awesome little rechargeable light too !!
@@PrimaryAndSecondary thats really not an argument for not including them 😑...the ones i have work but i also dont expect them to be on for hours ... Olights are worth the $55 in my opinion though i would love a Surefire😁👍 i would have liked to seen the "el cheapo" Olight in the line up...now i am off to cry on other TH-camrs pages! 🤣😂👍🤣love the video !
@@PrimaryAndSecondary - You have said this twice now. Can you expound on it? I also have multiple Olight products and have never had an issue. also, as Joe said, on a weapons light you trigger it on, clear a room, identify your targets, make your shots, etc. and turn it off. You're not navigating cross country for 4-6 hours burning 1000 lumens non stop. I have personally had mine on for an extended period of time (for a weapon light - long enough to practice clearing my house in total darkness multiple times in a row) and never had an issue.
@@michaelobrien8892 Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics explains it far better than I. I have been in enough situations where I needed continuous output for extended situations that rules out them for any serious work. Because you have not experienced this does not invalidate the issue.
@@PrimaryAndSecondary - Agreed that just because I haven't had an issue doesn't mean I couldn't at some point in the future. By that logic though you could could say that no one should ever use any gun because every gun on the market has had a jamming issue at some point. lol I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you keep saying Olight has issues based on what? I was turned onto them by a group I am in and personally know a lot of people that have them without a problem. So if you are saying that they have issues what is that based on? How many did you test? For how long? Under what conditions? Etc? Do you have any videos of this testing? Have you contacted the company? Have they responded or done anything to fix this issue? To just blanket repeatedly say a product has issues with any other evidence is disingenuous in my opinion.
as an old school thinker, this shined a lot of light on the question, to flash light or not. The young man in the brown sweater asked and made some great points. I'm not sure Farmer answered his question though. Could you tell what was being held in their hands?Vary important. lights would not be used in combat. But in law enforcement and self defense its vary important to be able to see what they got in their hands. The statement about old incandescent vs today's high lumens was vary interesting.
I've played with most of them except the OWL, and settled on the 18350 Modlite PLH in 5K. The 4K was too "reddish" hue for me, and the 6K was greying out at longer distances.
@@jonathanjessop9977 it wouldnt be a bad fit for that application- be aware there were issues with flickering due to connection issues with them at some point.
Interesting to hear about the old “fudd lore” regarding giving away your position when turning on your light. Makes more sense when you consider the technology used back when the lore was born (ie- 60 lumens with low candela). That being said I’ve still got buddies in 2021 who say that crap. Goes without saying they’ve never owned a half decent light. Currently running an HLX, Rein micro and two Modlites (PLHv2).
Own the OWL and the Scout DF. I like both, the Scout DF has lots of flood, would be great for 0-50 yards when you need lots of peripheral vision. The OWL has a good spill, but an awesome spot. With some magnification, I can see out to 200 yards. Can't say what details I can make out, but I can tell a cat from a fox or raccoon. Been considering that Modlight OKW, looks like it's too focused at times though.
@@andy366919 I did get the OKW head, and it's very focused. But, it is awesome, I can see further than the OWL. I'm spotting cows and telephone poles at over 400 yards. Too focused for a self defense rifle, but i live in the country and use it all the time now.
Marz Capone that’s awesome! Haha! I couldn’t decide between the plh or okw so I ended up getting both with the idea that I would send one of them back. I came to the same conclusions about the okw as you did but for some reason I couldn’t send the okw back. I’m just too impressed with what it does at 100+ yards. I will probably make it a pocket light. The PLH is on my truck gun though.
What about needing those indoors or just outside the house? I'm talking in a home defense scenario. From my playing around with what limited flashlights and weapon lights I have access to I found that if I shined a 1000 lumen light into a room in the house that I would blind myself. I mean it would hurt and I wouldn't be able to see for a couple seconds. I found that at around 350-400 lumens it didn't blind me in the house but I can still see/identify people/items at 50 yards. Of course different beams and color temps will have an affect. I'd like to see someone with more access to different lights try indoor testing.
Modlight PLHv2 now seems to be the best all-around light, IMHO (1350 lumens, 54,000 candela, 5700K cool white), followed closely by the OWL & Modlight OKW...
I like the Modlite the best too but, having played with all three, I don't agree that it is the winner. The situation/ host weapon seem to dictate which of these 3 weapon lights OKW, PLH, OWL would be best used. OWL does everything the OKW and PLH can do and it comes ready to mount. No need to buy ariska or cloud accessories to finish the mounting of the light, just put in the battery, pick right or left hand, torque it down to the 1913 rail. IMHO the OWL is the winner as far as capability combining spill and throw as well as my personal preference for the color. But it does have it's failings... The OWL is heavier, takes up more real estate and is kinda expensive. So, if weight and cost is not a consideration, then OWL all the way -- If weight or cost is an issue (and when is in not...) or you cant spare the real estate on a SBR, then the Modlite is a modular fit able to adapt to a mission or need on the fly.
I'd be interested in seeing a test within a house (or some similar mock-up) to simulate home defense. I have a theory that too many lumens can be a hindrance in confined spaces because of reflection back at the shooter and just general intensity making it harder to identify the target. Also would like to see consideration toward how it affects the shooter's low-light vision in that situation since even briefly turning on a high-power light could leave you stumbling in the dark instead of aiding your navigation. I know just from playing with my 1000 lumen flashlight that my theory is somewhat accurate, but I'd love to see proper testing and opinions from multiple participants like this. If you're feeling really fancy trying out different colors of paint on drywall and how it affects the amount of light reflected back could be interesting (though a pain in the ass to setup). I think confined spaces would also allow lights with wider beams to shine (pun intended) and offer some perspective on the pros and cons of each.
We use the light to see. We use technique to maximize the effectiveness. If I am worried about terrain in a house after using the light, i flash it back on as needed.
@@PrimaryAndSecondary That's a great point, I've probably been over and under thinking my scenario a bit. If the light is too bright just aim it down below where you're looking to get less light within your field of vision, which works even better in reflective spaces since the whole room will light up no matter where the light is pointed, and if you gotta light up a target ruining your night vision isn't really an issue since you'll be engaging the threat and ending it there anyway. There's also the simple solution of keeping one eye closed at all times to maintain its night vision. Thanks for the perspective!
@@PrimaryAndSecondary First off, great video. However, I'm going to call you out a small amount here. A 200 lumen light can be perfectly "effective" and a 1500 lumen light can be utterly "ineffective". A "lower" lumen, wider spill light is much more desirable then a lightsaber in a high-LRV residential structure. No amount of technique can overcome those differences, but they can minimize them to an extent. I think you meant to say that you use technique to optimize performance.
It maybe that highlighting yourself as a target would be true in a multiple target engagement with a decently off set bad guy? I guess it opens a bunch of other questions
Technique removes the issue- if lights are pointed at bare walls don't stare at the focus - use bounce and reflection - eyes adjust if you get some reflection (just use the light to see, that's why we have them).
12:10 - this guy is writing off a very valid, very good question by just saying he is going to have magnification. That's great for him - and perhaps a good number of the folks who stem from wide-open country (like Karl) where magnified optics might be used by civilians and police. Here in the flat, crowded areas - the police have red dots, the civies have red dots. Shutting down a man's damned good question just to have your over-weight say ain't how modern testing is done. Would like to see a follow up.
Consider that question is dependent on individual's eyesight - 50 yards with OWL and ModLight (and further with OKW) were the only ones providing functional illumination.
I almost feel like this is only telling half the story. Being able to identify a target is one thing... But how well do the different lights let you *find* somebody? Some of the lights were disdained as "all spill", but if for example you're trying to locate somebody that's trying to evade or hide from you, a highly focused beam seems like a drawback.
Right -- Seems like that would depend on distance, environment, ambient light, etc... Feels like the OKW was designed with a purpose in mind , like distance/ throw, it has that tight beam but the lumens are low enough that it looses the intense focus effect over the competitors.
@@GMRVC1 I think you're correct. Consider it like an optic - a x24 scope is great at 300 yards, but undesirable at 20 yards. Look at how tight the beam is at 10 yards. I myself am far more likely to need a light at 10-20 yards then at 75 yards.
i would take the surefire h35 1000, it lights up hugely but doesn't have that agressive hot beam i mostly use lights for indoors, so i don't need air raid flood lights, i don't want tunnel vision from the overly bright narrow hot beam some of the other lights have and i don't want to blind myself if i hit a reflective surface it could however use a better lens as the aerial clearly show it was less "sharp" than other lights
This would be a fun project to test out on the southern border areas with Mexico at night. p.s. Please leave Carl at home as he is always the 'Debbie Downer' of all things pleasant.
The best part of the video was the painful look on Karl's face during each light pun.
The 9 people who put thumbs down on this video should be removed and banned. This was an excellent comparison of currently available weapons lights.
@@MrJohnylompoc Up to 12, and that's a little harsh, First Amendment and all that, same thing that lets us say they should be beaten with a rubber hose, mostly jokingly.
"It's dark half the time." -Dugan Ashley
Great video though, actually I hadn't heard of the Modlite; seems like a great option for something compact and lightweight but can still pack a photonic punch.
Excellent comparison video guys. The drone angle straight down was amazing for comparing beam focus, and I have no doubt I'll be referring back to this video for comparisons before purchases.
"How'd you know it was me Raylan?"
"I could see the moonlight reflecting off your teeth, Boyd."
Great video guys, thank you for taking the time to shine some light on current weaponlights and their effectiveness. The P&S crew is truly one of the best for delivering real-world information. It was truly illuminating!
Is there a point where a light becomes too bright?
Yes. When you direct a light onto a subject and that subject instantly bursts into flame, the light is almost too bright.
Hey, saves on ammo.
"Too bright?" I'm not sure I understand your meaning.
imgs.xkcd.com/comics/flashlights.png
LOL.
So like Dakka, you almost have enough when reality is an expression of firepower itself. Reality is kind of an expression of light in a way actually.
Data mic drop
The OKW was a HUGE surprise.
Thank you for the work everyone put in to make this video happen and for including the ending where various topics were discussed. Discussions like that got me to take low light classes to overcome my ignorance about how to use white light for defensive use.
I am damn proud that my Patreon $$ is going to support awesome content like this for both P&S and InRangeTV. I can't wait to see the rest of the content from this shoot.
Great video! Even though a camera doesn't gather light like the human eye, the relative effects of the various lights was evident.
This is an excellent video for researching light choices.
Awesome video! I really appreciate y'alls effort in these videos and honestly this seems to be the only video that actually shows results of practical applications for WMLs. I mainly have a Surefire M600 Duel Fuel Scout on my HD AR. It does well for my house, but I have noticed 40 yards and beyond it washes out when I hog hunted with it.
Definitely going to checkout the Cloud Defensive OWL and ModLite OKW. I use Cloud's LCS mounts for my surefire and love it. OWL maybe perfect.
I knew this video was going to be good stuff when I heard Metal Gear sound effects. I wasn't wrong.
Great stuff guys. I'm now very interested in the Modlight offerings.
Everyone needed this video
Awesome video! I like the chat between the 'observers' and 'shiners' as well as the overhead footage of beam pattern
Best light comparison I believe I've seen.
And seems my tlr1hl is an adequate choice for my uses in comparison to the others I've never tried.
This review is highly informative. Just ordered the Cloud Defensive OWL.
By far the best Weaponlight comparison Video i have seen yet! Specially the conversation at the end was very interesting!
That was great! Totally sold me on the OWL for a rifle, DF Fury for a handheld and X300U for pistol. Oh, and I love the MGS sound effects.
an extra 100$ for a modlite or OWL might be worth it from a surefire
10000% worth it. That OKW is super impressive
They’re only 20 bucks more now. Definitely worth it
A video I really could have used before I bought my darn 1000 Lumen X300. Great vid!
I need an OKW
In handheld too ... always good to have lightsaber 😎
By far the best light review I’ve seen - get sum !!!!
I am very surprised this only has this many views from perspectives like this ...also the top view🤙👍
I had thought the OKW would be too narrow to be useful in under 50, but damn was I wrong. Not ready to replace my SFDF lights yet (just got them before Modlite revealed themselves) but they're gonna be the replacements when the time comes.
That bright, bouncing and reflecting works well
Useful review, just picked up a modlite!
fmxmyway Same! PLH hand held, and a PLH V2 head to replace my Surefire Scout Dual Fuel head on my duty rifle. Perfect!
good stuff
@DanOfTheWild not everyone is gay like you
@DanOfTheWild Even your sense of humor is gay
hahahaha
Very interesting to see the comparisons
Karl looks a little uncomfy (feel better, my dude), but I love when you guys team up so much.
We were all drained. He drove all the prior day (as did Cole and Jason).
Thanks for all that you guys do for us lowly viewers
@@PrimaryAndSecondary Appreciate their effort, love seeing Karl in things, might have to start supporting you guys on Patreon too.
Great video! Only possible with the top notch camera work.
The Owl is king, I just ordered mine last night, I can't wait to get mine in the mail.
This is an amazing video!! I have 2 m600df’s, some various M300’s and a streamlight HLX. Watching this really made me consider getting the Modlight. But, I like having the option to run both the cr123’s or 18650’s. Probably gonna stick with the DF.
Great video! Nothing like "seeing" the differences in the lights. The points made about what it would take to return fire suggest that perhaps we need to tape a mirror to a clean target (with the light behind steel cover) to see just how effective someone could return fire when faced with a light. Also, if you have a more powerful light than your adversary, it might make a difference in the range at which each of you could engage the other.
Would it be possible to get built proof glass and use the different light options to protect light from getting destroyed and have I IDPA target set up in front of glass and let some of these people shoot towards the light and different distances to put to rest if you can get hits on target by simply aiming at the light. That would put some of the questions to rest. My hypothesis is yes some one who can shoot a hand gun would hit target many times with 15 rounds shooting towards the light. It be very interesting test.
We are planning out our next project right now
Great video. I wish there was some Arisaka stuff too, but this was a great piece of viewable data.
How many lumens is enough? Answer: "All of them." Ash Hess
Is there/ will there be a text & photo post of this info? I find sill images are generally better for reference material.
Article accompanying will be released with additional data.
Great video guys. I just ordered an OWL. Can't wait.
Try the Streamlight HLS-X, 3500 lumens. Turns night into day.
naw the nitecore tmk9500 with a weapon light mount and pressure switch
I have several surefire scout light, and one Modlight okw. I will be purchasing Modlights exclusively going forward.
Let's get another video with newer lights
why is there no Olights?!I have the Valkyrie pl-mini2 and its a great little compact weapon light...very bright too... 600 lumens and rechargeable. If you waitto buy on a holiday sale then you can grab them up for about 50% off on some of Olights products..they sent me a tiny keychain light for buying a couple PL-minis and it's an awesome little rechargeable light too !!
They have output and heat regulation issues.
@@PrimaryAndSecondary thats really not an argument for not including them 😑...the ones i have work but i also dont expect them to be on for hours ... Olights are worth the $55 in my opinion though i would love a Surefire😁👍 i would have liked to seen the "el cheapo" Olight in the line up...now i am off to cry on other TH-camrs pages! 🤣😂👍🤣love the video !
@@PrimaryAndSecondary - You have said this twice now. Can you expound on it? I also have multiple Olight products and have never had an issue. also, as Joe said, on a weapons light you trigger it on, clear a room, identify your targets, make your shots, etc. and turn it off. You're not navigating cross country for 4-6 hours burning 1000 lumens non stop. I have personally had mine on for an extended period of time (for a weapon light - long enough to practice clearing my house in total darkness multiple times in a row) and never had an issue.
@@michaelobrien8892 Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics explains it far better than I. I have been in enough situations where I needed continuous output for extended situations that rules out them for any serious work. Because you have not experienced this does not invalidate the issue.
@@PrimaryAndSecondary - Agreed that just because I haven't had an issue doesn't mean I couldn't at some point in the future. By that logic though you could could say that no one should ever use any gun because every gun on the market has had a jamming issue at some point. lol
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you keep saying Olight has issues based on what?
I was turned onto them by a group I am in and personally know a lot of people that have them without a problem.
So if you are saying that they have issues what is that based on?
How many did you test? For how long? Under what conditions? Etc?
Do you have any videos of this testing?
Have you contacted the company? Have they responded or done anything to fix this issue?
To just blanket repeatedly say a product has issues with any other evidence is disingenuous in my opinion.
as an old school thinker, this shined a lot of light on the question, to flash light or not. The young man in the brown sweater asked and made some great points. I'm not sure Farmer answered his question though. Could you tell what was being held in their hands?Vary important. lights would not be used in combat. But in law enforcement and self defense its vary important to be able to see what they got in their hands.
The statement about old incandescent vs today's high lumens was vary interesting.
Why would you think lights would not be used in combat? It’s certainly situational, but I think it’s unwise to generalize that they’re useless.
What’s the Maxvision light? It isn’t in the description anywhere
It is the XH35 it is in the description.
I've played with most of them except the OWL, and settled on the 18350 Modlite PLH in 5K. The 4K was too "reddish" hue for me, and the 6K was greying out at longer distances.
Where was the arisaka 600 ? Would you compare it to the 600 scout ?
What are your thoughts on the Streamlight HLX as a budget option for a home defense AR pistol? Like
I understand the other lights that are about 3 times as expensive are much better, but I was curious of your thoughts on the HLX as a budget option.
@@jonathanjessop9977 it wouldnt be a bad fit for that application- be aware there were issues with flickering due to connection issues with them at some point.
Awesome Collab.
Is there a point where the light is too bright? Well... I suppose when the light output begins to set the person on fire the output may be too bright.
wonderful video
Great video!
Are you getting more distance out of the okw or the owl? Which is the better for distance?
OKW is better for longer distance due to its extremely vicious and focused hotspot whereas the owl has a bit more "spill"
How did the OKW compare to the OWL as far as pain on the receiving end?
Interesting to hear about the old “fudd lore” regarding giving away your position when turning on your light. Makes more sense when you consider the technology used back when the lore was born (ie- 60 lumens with low candela).
That being said I’ve still got buddies in 2021 who say that crap. Goes without saying they’ve never owned a half decent light.
Currently running an HLX, Rein micro and two Modlites (PLHv2).
Own the OWL and the Scout DF. I like both, the Scout DF has lots of flood, would be great for 0-50 yards when you need lots of peripheral vision. The OWL has a good spill, but an awesome spot. With some magnification, I can see out to 200 yards. Can't say what details I can make out, but I can tell a cat from a fox or raccoon.
Been considering that Modlight OKW, looks like it's too focused at times though.
Marz Capone it’s too focused for me. The PLH is really nice though.
@@andy366919 I did get the OKW head, and it's very focused. But, it is awesome, I can see further than the OWL. I'm spotting cows and telephone poles at over 400 yards. Too focused for a self defense rifle, but i live in the country and use it all the time now.
Marz Capone that’s awesome! Haha! I couldn’t decide between the plh or okw so I ended up getting both with the idea that I would send one of them back. I came to the same conclusions about the okw as you did but for some reason I couldn’t send the okw back. I’m just too impressed with what it does at 100+ yards. I will probably make it a pocket light. The PLH is on my truck gun though.
Karl looked a bit grumpy.
This was recorded after a long day of shooting and having lights in your face.
Karl always looks grumpy.
Bet comparison vid ive ever seen 💯
What about needing those indoors or just outside the house? I'm talking in a home defense scenario. From my playing around with what limited flashlights and weapon lights I have access to I found that if I shined a 1000 lumen light into a room in the house that I would blind myself. I mean it would hurt and I wouldn't be able to see for a couple seconds. I found that at around 350-400 lumens it didn't blind me in the house but I can still see/identify people/items at 50 yards. Of course different beams and color temps will have an affect. I'd like to see someone with more access to different lights try indoor testing.
Dont look at the focus of the beam. Use reflection and bounced light.
Technique allows for far more utility
We couldnt identify items at 50 yards with far bright lights
What's with homeboy on the far left keeping his hood covering his face?
Modlight PLHv2 now seems to be the best all-around light, IMHO (1350 lumens, 54,000 candela, 5700K cool white), followed closely by the OWL & Modlight OKW...
Depends on the role. The plhv2 is my go to for many tasks.
Very cool! I'm trying to find best option for my 14.5" with a Kahles 1-6x scope (OWL, PLH or OKW?). I already have a 600DF on my 11.5" with a red dot.
I've got a 12.5 with a K16i and I'll be doing OKW for sure
Thanks for your reply Joe! Why not the other 2?
Gary9r I own the PLH and OKW and prefer the PLH. Feels a little more well rounded.
Great info! Thanks for sharing!
Nice Review! Carry on
Barry representing the EP Chihuahuas.
Which one of the pistol lights do y'all think did the best at range?
Seemed like the x300u 600lumen
1ofyouforme that’s what I was having a hard time telling. So it appears the older model is actually better
@@twofortyrida Ya it has a better hot spot so the light is more focused at a distance where as the 1000 lumen model is basically all flood.
1ofyouforme sounds like I need to get the of model then. I don’t see the point of floody wml’s. Might try the pl pro. Has over 19000 candela
I think the ModLite OKW is the real winner
expensive shit - you know, the stuff that actually does the job, I need 5 of them:-)
I like the Modlite the best too but, having played with all three, I don't agree that it is the winner. The situation/ host weapon seem to dictate which of these 3 weapon lights OKW, PLH, OWL would be best used.
OWL does everything the OKW and PLH can do and it comes ready to mount. No need to buy ariska or cloud accessories to finish the mounting of the light, just put in the battery, pick right or left hand, torque it down to the 1913 rail. IMHO the OWL is the winner as far as capability combining spill and throw as well as my personal preference for the color. But it does have it's failings...
The OWL is heavier, takes up more real estate and is kinda expensive. So, if weight and cost is not a consideration, then OWL all the way -- If weight or cost is an issue (and when is in not...) or you cant spare the real estate on a SBR, then the Modlite is a modular fit able to adapt to a mission or need on the fly.
I'd be interested in seeing a test within a house (or some similar mock-up) to simulate home defense. I have a theory that too many lumens can be a hindrance in confined spaces because of reflection back at the shooter and just general intensity making it harder to identify the target. Also would like to see consideration toward how it affects the shooter's low-light vision in that situation since even briefly turning on a high-power light could leave you stumbling in the dark instead of aiding your navigation. I know just from playing with my 1000 lumen flashlight that my theory is somewhat accurate, but I'd love to see proper testing and opinions from multiple participants like this. If you're feeling really fancy trying out different colors of paint on drywall and how it affects the amount of light reflected back could be interesting (though a pain in the ass to setup). I think confined spaces would also allow lights with wider beams to shine (pun intended) and offer some perspective on the pros and cons of each.
We use the light to see. We use technique to maximize the effectiveness. If I am worried about terrain in a house after using the light, i flash it back on as needed.
I can use all of the high end ones within a white walled structure without issue because of technique.
@@PrimaryAndSecondary That's a great point, I've probably been over and under thinking my scenario a bit. If the light is too bright just aim it down below where you're looking to get less light within your field of vision, which works even better in reflective spaces since the whole room will light up no matter where the light is pointed, and if you gotta light up a target ruining your night vision isn't really an issue since you'll be engaging the threat and ending it there anyway. There's also the simple solution of keeping one eye closed at all times to maintain its night vision.
Thanks for the perspective!
@@MrMattumbo you are using white light, I am not sure the one eye closed thing is doing you any favors
@@PrimaryAndSecondary First off, great video. However, I'm going to call you out a small amount here. A 200 lumen light can be perfectly "effective" and a 1500 lumen light can be utterly "ineffective". A "lower" lumen, wider spill light is much more desirable then a lightsaber in a high-LRV residential structure. No amount of technique can overcome those differences, but they can minimize them to an extent.
I think you meant to say that you use technique to optimize performance.
got an owl, love it gonna get an modlight for my mk 18
It maybe that highlighting yourself as a target would be true in a multiple target engagement with a decently off set bad guy? I guess it opens a bunch of other questions
I carry an x300u. 🤷♂️ will probably get an okw for my ar.
Great info
How the Owl hurt you worse than the OKW, I will never know
How are these bright lights in a room with white painted walls like you would find in a house? Does the bounce blind you as well?
Technique removes the issue- if lights are pointed at bare walls don't stare at the focus - use bounce and reflection - eyes adjust if you get some reflection (just use the light to see, that's why we have them).
Do you think? 13:20
Nate could not tell from his perspective.
12:10 - this guy is writing off a very valid, very good question by just saying he is going to have magnification. That's great for him - and perhaps a good number of the folks who stem from wide-open country (like Karl) where magnified optics might be used by civilians and police. Here in the flat, crowded areas - the police have red dots, the civies have red dots. Shutting down a man's damned good question just to have your over-weight say ain't how modern testing is done. Would like to see a follow up.
Consider that question is dependent on individual's eyesight - 50 yards with OWL and ModLight (and further with OKW) were the only ones providing functional illumination.
I almost feel like this is only telling half the story. Being able to identify a target is one thing... But how well do the different lights let you *find* somebody? Some of the lights were disdained as "all spill", but if for example you're trying to locate somebody that's trying to evade or hide from you, a highly focused beam seems like a drawback.
All spill means less reaction distance and less ability to cut through ambient or photonic barrier.
Right -- Seems like that would depend on distance, environment, ambient light, etc...
Feels like the OKW was designed with a purpose in mind , like distance/ throw, it has that tight beam but the lumens are low enough that it looses the intense focus effect over the competitors.
@@GMRVC1 OKW had the most intense focus at all ranges shown
@@GMRVC1 I think you're correct. Consider it like an optic - a x24 scope is great at 300 yards, but undesirable at 20 yards. Look at how tight the beam is at 10 yards. I myself am far more likely to need a light at 10-20 yards then at 75 yards.
Jesus Matt Landfair - you look like Powder with that weird lighting at the start of the video.
I AM Powder!
i would take the surefire h35 1000, it lights up hugely but doesn't have that agressive hot beam
i mostly use lights for indoors, so i don't need air raid flood lights, i don't want tunnel vision from the overly bright narrow hot beam some of the other lights have
and i don't want to blind myself if i hit a reflective surface
it could however use a better lens as the aerial clearly show it was less "sharp" than other lights
What about some of the offerings from Olight?
Their inability to effectively manage heat removes them from this comparison
@@PrimaryAndSecondary Good to know. Thanks for the reply!
This was fucking awesome
Jason is a tv star
Karl's mind seems to be elsewhere, perhaps on practicing the dark arts?
RIP Billy Conforto...
Berry Reading Look out for those embankments yall
🇺🇸 Fantastic!
aye jw
This would be a fun project to test out on the southern border areas with Mexico at night.
p.s. Please leave Carl at home as he is always the 'Debbie Downer' of all things pleasant.