Really love how PetaPIxel keeps pushing towards being a channel about Photography and Videography writ large instead of just another camera review channel. Great stuff.
Love how there they are super precise with the aperture giving it at f/1.23. And then there are phone manufacturers with their tiny optics claiming their phone has a f/1.78 and not f/1.8
3:50 The size of the pixel is not chosen to be smaller than a "star image". It is chosen to be somewhat smaller than size of PSF (point spread function) of the telescope in the focal plane. Because telescope can't produce details smaller than PSF, having much smaller pixels don't help, but readout electronics gets more complicated the more pixels you have.
Congratulations, after 7 hours 9 people out of 13000 agree with you. I can see your "Well, actually..." adenoids. You should expect a call from somebody. NASA, most likely. Sorry, I'm being facetious. What i mean is: I'm satisfied with their description, yours is just word salad for me. Sometimes near enough is good enough,. Out of all the people who's lives would change with the exact understanding of this fact, I think the vast majority would also accept that the lay people don't need such an in depth discussion.
It's a survey telescope though, the pixels are way bigger than the Airy disk because it's not supposed to look at details but just to tell if there is something.
@@johntheux9238No the pixels need to be smaller than the Airy disk so they can distinguish star from galaxies. They do this by measuring the object shape.
Petapixel, some info you gave was not accurate or incomplete. As an astronomy amateur, I easily spotted them. 1. The camera was designed for the telescope, not the other way around. In fact, the whole complex was designed on the limits we can actually achieve with the tech we have, but the size of the primary mirror is the number 1 limit. 2. The lenses in front of the sensor are corrective lenses, field flattener, astigmatism corrector and chromatic aberration corrector. They don't serve other purposes than that and they are a must for such a fast telescope (f/1.3) and an unavoidable compromise. 3. it would have been nice to give us an equivalent field of view on a full frame format. 3.5-degree field of view translates to a 600mm lens of a full frame camera (horizontal field of view).
@@niccollsvideo well, that's fair up to a point. When it comes to anything fishing, my brain is a big void. I can hardly put a worm on the hook. Though, astronomy is entangled with astrophotography and optics and the same optics principles apply to camera lenses as well. All lenses need correctors. Some lens designs have the correcting feature embedded into the lens design, like the classic double gauss or the sonar lens type or Petzval type, others have correctors at the end, like telephoto lenses. There are scales of field of view of lenes, I had to check it out myself to see how much 3.5 degrees actually are on full frame lens. The most interesting feature of this telescope that is absent on any other telescope is that it is so bright (f1/3), so large (8.4 m) and it has such a large area camera. This translates to very fast image acquisition and very sharp because of the short exposure times required that will lower the atmospheric turbulence influence on the image, not to mention the low image noise.
@@unlucky5442 In that case, the design of the filter exchange system was rather tricky. As the camera hangs in the center of the telescope's secondary mirror, its outer diameter had to be minimized to maximize the collected light from the sky. No filter wheel was allowed to sit besides the aperture. Filter exchange system must fit inside camera's body, but it was impossible to store on the carousel the 6 filters needed for observing in the different bands of wavelength. The less frequently used filter (UV band) will have to be inserted by an auto-changer , replacing one of those inside while maintening the cleanliness
I wish I could use a similar carousel for my RASA. Having to use a filter drawer with a mono camera is a pain, and my OSC camera just doesn't get the same detail as a mono.
I see they photographed a broccoli with. It makes me DESPERATELY want to see a portrait on this thing. I hope they took some selfies or made an artwork.
Wow! Loved this vid! Amazing to see the channel covering more of the field outside of conventional cameras. I for one would love more engineering focused photography videos! Show us lens manufacturing, sensor science, and more. Great work all. Also I loved the lasagna tin bit.
Thank you for covering this amazing project and for highlighting all of the teamwork that goes into an effort of this nature. It is wonderful to see international cooperation at a very high-level between very bright, highly dedicated human beings!
Thank you guys for this video! Just a bit of additional info: the sensors operate at a very low temperature to decrease the noise of the captured images.
This is really cool, and I'm glad you guys covered it. It's really amazing to see what the absolute top end of camera engineering is these days. I was going to buy one of these, but I was holding off until your review.
I just wanted to say I really enjoy and appreciate the format of this video, especially the witty commentary and in-depth information, so you've well earned a subscription and I hope you keep it up!
I've been following the build of this telescope from the beginning. I was interested in the relative pixel density of the LSST sensor, so thank you for that. Also, thanks for covering this, I had no expectation that you guys would get into stuff like this, so this was special. Incidentally, one factoid that was omitted is that the Vera Rubin Telescope will basically be capable of taking a high-res image of the night sky every four nights (at least that is what I understood while this was being built, it could be better than that now). The differences between each image at the same spots will be used to track moving objects like asteroids, which was mentioned, but also Kuiper Belt Objects, potentially like the true 9th planet. This was awesome, keep at it guys.
@@PetaPixel Honestly, that’s one of the best short, general-audience science-explainer vids I’ve ever seen. (And I waste an inordinate amount of time watching YT vids 😁)
Not for general use cameras. CCD is just king in scientific image acquisition. It needs cryogenic cooling to lower the noise, it consumes tens of times more energy than CMOS and the image quality in not much greater than that of a CMOS after cooling it at -100 Celsius. Though, it is much more sensitive in infrared where it is needed to be, it has a perfect linear image, a must for precise light measurements and it is better when i comes to lower noise, long exposure times.
Okay, funny story. I was at Stanford when they built SLAC. Stanford physics professor Wolfgang Panofsky was in charge of the project. He was known jokingly as the dumb brother because he'd gotten a B in phys ed at Princeton. At any rate, the mother of a Stanford co-ed noticed that the accelerator was pointed straight at the women's gym. Sound the alarm! - our daughters will be sterilized! So the good professor got someone to take a bulldozer out to the end of the accelerator and make a big pile of dirt. Which of course became known as Mount Panofsky.
What a great video! Absolutely loved this! On a sort of (un)related note, my improv comedy group used to practice at SLAC - yeah, i know, weird. Our troupe was the PIMPs, aka Peninsula Improvisers.
Thank you for posting. I have to say, with the clean room gear, you have never looked better. ;) Oh yeah, almost forgot. Great video with great information.
If I would by that camera.... I would need a truck first and a huge storage as well. Can't imagine the file size of that beast.... Thanks for the video!
For me this is one of the proudest human things, that we decided to do it, and managed to really make this (the camera and all the other parts of Vera C Rubin observatory), just to find things out about the universe. It's been quite a while since the early site preparation; not too much longer now, hopefully! The ESO ELT is an amazing project to follow also.
Love this! So much more fun than lens reviews. / What’s the sensor readout speed? Does it have dual card slots? When will Lightroom have raw support for it? Does it have any good picture profiles for Instagram? /S
It gives me goosebumps just to think how little we know, when we realize we are just out of the eggshell and what´s ahead in our developemnt as a species. Hopefully after we pass a certain threshold, we will be accepted and given a hand by the more advanced civilizations out there. If we survive it, it is inevitable.
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Can you use it for street photography?
Sure... It'll be a street from the next town, possibly next country over though! 🤣
Catching old people crossing the street in front of the sunset from three towns over.
I'm waiting for the monochrome version
@@scarcesense6449 Leica user spotted :D
Weddings.
Really love how PetaPIxel keeps pushing towards being a channel about Photography and Videography writ large instead of just another camera review channel. Great stuff.
Ditto!
Yes exactly this ☺️
I concur.
Also really digging the podcast!
another ditto !
Now THAT is full frame haha
ahahahsha
fuller frame camera on the way to chile i see
They'll probably end up calling it "average format" or something like that
Nope, that is THE frame... 😅
But sony has great autofocus.
If my math is right, that's 0.0000032 PetaPixels!
I see you are a man of culture.
That's how I want this channel to talk about every camera now. 50 Megapixels? No, 0.00000005 Petapixels.
They didn't even say how many Plenas the lens weighs
3.2 x 10⁻⁶ gang 💪😤
@@Durio_zibethinus 😂❤😂❤
And it’s still cheaper than a 10 year old Leica
9 лет назад Хаббл выкатывал снимок в 4.3 гига пикселя . Галактика Андромеда. Ищи в ютубе.
@@homuchoghoma6789 1.5 billion pixels. is the original image. you need alot of screens to display the full picture though. 😁👍
@@madb132Im pretty sure you only need an average monitor to pixel peeping
@@madb132 nah just print in A4 dude
Finally, a camera that can take a picture of your mom 😭
I’m childish for laughing
lmao
from ISS
Not full frame. Literally unusuable.
Does it even bokeh? 😂
It's gotta be at least medium format
🤣
Do a dolly zoom!!
🤣
Love how there they are super precise with the aperture giving it at f/1.23.
And then there are phone manufacturers with their tiny optics claiming their phone has a f/1.78 and not f/1.8
Can you play Subway surfers on your camera
@@greecevstheworldI can
Where's the thecamerastore link to this camera? And what bag do you recommend for it?
I'll get it at KEH, used.
Free shipping?
When they decommission that Subaru camera, you can probably have that. Local pick up only though.
Complaints:
“You’re stuck with only one lens.”
“It’s still on backorder. Ugh.”
“No strap lugs.”
it's a bit on the heavy side
“Only 5 filters?!?!”
3:50 The size of the pixel is not chosen to be smaller than a "star image". It is chosen to be somewhat smaller than size of PSF (point spread function) of the telescope in the focal plane. Because telescope can't produce details smaller than PSF, having much smaller pixels don't help, but readout electronics gets more complicated the more pixels you have.
Congratulations, after 7 hours 9 people out of 13000 agree with you. I can see your "Well, actually..." adenoids. You should expect a call from somebody. NASA, most likely.
Sorry, I'm being facetious. What i mean is: I'm satisfied with their description, yours is just word salad for me. Sometimes near enough is good enough,. Out of all the people who's lives would change with the exact understanding of this fact, I think the vast majority would also accept that the lay people don't need such an in depth discussion.
It's a survey telescope though, the pixels are way bigger than the Airy disk because it's not supposed to look at details but just to tell if there is something.
@@johntheux9238No the pixels need to be smaller than the Airy disk so they can distinguish star from galaxies. They do this by measuring the object shape.
@@claudiascarpine6695 It's a f/1.2 telescope so the Airy disk is 1 micrometer while the pixels are 10 micrometers
Petapixel, some info you gave was not accurate or incomplete. As an astronomy amateur, I easily spotted them.
1. The camera was designed for the telescope, not the other way around. In fact, the whole complex was designed on the limits we can actually achieve with the tech we have, but the size of the primary mirror is the number 1 limit.
2. The lenses in front of the sensor are corrective lenses, field flattener, astigmatism corrector and chromatic aberration corrector. They don't serve other purposes than that and they are a must for such a fast telescope (f/1.3) and an unavoidable compromise.
3. it would have been nice to give us an equivalent field of view on a full frame format. 3.5-degree field of view translates to a 600mm lens of a full frame camera (horizontal field of view).
Ask me something about fly fishing .
@@niccollsvideo well, that's fair up to a point. When it comes to anything fishing, my brain is a big void. I can hardly put a worm on the hook.
Though, astronomy is entangled with astrophotography and optics and the same optics principles apply to camera lenses as well.
All lenses need correctors. Some lens designs have the correcting feature embedded into the lens design, like the classic double gauss or the sonar lens type or Petzval type, others have correctors at the end, like telephoto lenses.
There are scales of field of view of lenes, I had to check it out myself to see how much 3.5 degrees actually are on full frame lens.
The most interesting feature of this telescope that is absent on any other telescope is that it is so bright (f1/3), so large (8.4 m) and it has such a large area camera. This translates to very fast image acquisition and very sharp because of the short exposure times required that will lower the atmospheric turbulence influence on the image, not to mention the low image noise.
@@ilaion11 9 лет назад Хаббл выкатывал снимок в 4.3 гига пикселя . Галактика Андромеда. Ищи в ютубе.
"We're gonna talk about science next, hopefully my hair is okay."
Priorities.
His hair was indeed okay.
Rule #1 for science:
Make sure your hair is ok!
Biggest sensor camera ever made filmed on.... M43! Love it!
Chris has become one of the best presenters I know of. Truly great!
Ive watched him for a long time, hes always been a joy to watch.
I greatly appreciate the Noct measurement comparison, it truly puts it into perspective!
No IBIS, I'll pass
😂😂😂
Ikr, how are we supposed to blog with this?
Especially when you know about. The existence of micro tremmers. Including the many other causes. Of ground viberations.
Perfect for my street photography!
4:17 would be really cool if they sold those as souvenirs, it would be a sick thing to have at home as a conversation starter
I think the photo filter carousel is my favorite part. Would love to have that on a real camera
Amateur astrophotographers use something really similar called an EFW, electronic filter wheel.
@@unlucky5442 In that case, the design of the filter exchange system was rather tricky. As the camera hangs in the center of the telescope's secondary mirror, its outer diameter had to be minimized to maximize the collected light from the sky. No filter wheel was allowed to sit besides the aperture. Filter exchange system must fit inside camera's body, but it was impossible to store on the carousel the 6 filters needed for observing in the different bands of wavelength. The less frequently used filter (UV band) will have to be inserted by an auto-changer , replacing one of those inside while maintening the cleanliness
I wish I could use a similar carousel for my RASA. Having to use a filter drawer with a mono camera is a pain, and my OSC camera just doesn't get the same detail as a mono.
This is Chris and Jordan on their best. Informative, interesting , entertaining and funny too. Very well done boys!
I see they photographed a broccoli with. It makes me DESPERATELY want to see a portrait on this thing. I hope they took some selfies or made an artwork.
Content about science and photography, I love it! Keep it going!
One of the best videos. Combination of photography and astronomy is a dream
This is a really fantastic video! I love the blend of news, camera talk and interest in modern advancements in imaging! Really love it.
Jordans shout out in the background at 7:51 about farenheit cracked me up 😂
Best ever!
I have never seen Jaron so focused with that lasagna lightning.
Fantastic episode! I’d love to see more videos like this on the channel. Great work.
Wow! Loved this vid!
Amazing to see the channel covering more of the field outside of conventional cameras.
I for one would love more engineering focused photography videos! Show us lens manufacturing, sensor science, and more.
Great work all. Also I loved the lasagna tin bit.
Beer coasters. 😂 watch out Veritassium you’ve got a new competitor. Let’s go
Guys expand your breadth !
Thank you for covering this amazing project and for highlighting all of the teamwork that goes into an effort of this nature. It is wonderful to see international cooperation at a very high-level between very bright, highly dedicated human beings!
Thank you for being the best camera review channel. Im glad to see yall making different content from the rest.
perfect for my daily street snapshots.
i wish they repurpose those "faulty" CCD sensors into cameras.
The LSST is such a cool instrument for astronomy, I'm glad it's getting featured!
Looking forward to the compact version of this camera
That is Crazy! Thanks for taking the time to make this video!
Thank you guys for this video!
Just a bit of additional info: the sensors operate at a very low temperature to decrease the noise of the captured images.
Great video. Thanks for covering this important instrument and the Vera Rubin Observatory.
Cool! I look forward to Chris & Jordan to post their field review of this camera.
Wow. Can't wait to see the Vera Rubin pictures! Great video, man.
That is really cool! Thanks for covering this 😊
I'm not even into cameras but this is VERY interesting and the presentation was TRULY GREAT and very funny! Subscribed
Of course, many fascinating facts and other things. But, “I hope my hair is ok,” stood out of all. 😂
This is really cool, and I'm glad you guys covered it. It's really amazing to see what the absolute top end of camera engineering is these days. I was going to buy one of these, but I was holding off until your review.
2:57 u try to blow the hair off the screen 😂
This is the best petapixel video yet!
I just wanted to say I really enjoy and appreciate the format of this video, especially the witty commentary and in-depth information, so you've well earned a subscription and I hope you keep it up!
This video is absolutely fantastic, keep up the good work
I've been following the build of this telescope from the beginning. I was interested in the relative pixel density of the LSST sensor, so thank you for that. Also, thanks for covering this, I had no expectation that you guys would get into stuff like this, so this was special. Incidentally, one factoid that was omitted is that the Vera Rubin Telescope will basically be capable of taking a high-res image of the night sky every four nights (at least that is what I understood while this was being built, it could be better than that now). The differences between each image at the same spots will be used to track moving objects like asteroids, which was mentioned, but also Kuiper Belt Objects, potentially like the true 9th planet. This was awesome, keep at it guys.
Great video, Let's see what Jordan has to say... "The rolling shutter on this is going to be pretty bad"
He said its a $1.7 million jello cam. 🙂
GREAT work guys! Congrats and thanks!
Thanks Dave!
@@PetaPixel Honestly, that’s one of the best short, general-audience science-explainer vids I’ve ever seen. (And I waste an inordinate amount of time watching YT vids 😁)
I cant help but imagine how stressfull the truck driver carrying the camera sensors must be
Bro took every atom in his body to hold back that laughter at 1:32
Did I heard CCDs? I knew CCD is the king!
Not for general use cameras. CCD is just king in scientific image acquisition. It needs cryogenic cooling to lower the noise, it consumes tens of times more energy than CMOS and the image quality in not much greater than that of a CMOS after cooling it at -100 Celsius. Though, it is much more sensitive in infrared where it is needed to be, it has a perfect linear image, a must for precise light measurements and it is better when i comes to lower noise, long exposure times.
Dope new GFX lens :D
Lighter than a Pentax 67, Love it!
Jaren looks like a frozen shaolin training his patience
Dude excellent video! how am I just now finding your channel?
Okay, funny story. I was at Stanford when they built SLAC. Stanford physics professor Wolfgang Panofsky was in charge of the project. He was known jokingly as the dumb brother because he'd gotten a B in phys ed at Princeton. At any rate, the mother of a Stanford co-ed noticed that the accelerator was pointed straight at the women's gym. Sound the alarm! - our daughters will be sterilized! So the good professor got someone to take a bulldozer out to the end of the accelerator and make a big pile of dirt. Which of course became known as Mount Panofsky.
I need to take this to my next concert for the sickest shots ever!
Excellent documentary - thanks.
Great video!
Great video guys!
How does the LSST's autofocus compare to the latest Sony bodies?
It's the only camera on the market today that has an asteroid tracking mode. It's space-detect mode will focus on the nearest galaxy.
I guess it is rather slow. Also very bad minimal focusing distance.
It has no manual focus, either.
I heard the auto-stabilize is really good 😄
What a great video! Absolutely loved this! On a sort of (un)related note, my improv comedy group used to practice at SLAC - yeah, i know, weird. Our troupe was the PIMPs, aka Peninsula Improvisers.
INCREDIBLE!! loving the humour in the vid and the comments too! Only wish @AlynWallace was here to see this!
Damn! Considering how heavy this is, I hope it comes with a custom neck strap. :P
I have one of these on order. Now I need a new gimbal for it. But, I'm going to mostly use it for selfies.
Finally a camera I can do wildlife photography with, through a 10mm fisheye lens. No need for a tele, because I have the MP to crop everything.
Love this type of content!!!!!!!
OUTSTANDING! It is terrific to see what we can do as a species when we're not trying to kill each other. Strong work. Great topic.
Thank you for posting. I have to say, with the clean room gear, you have never looked better. ;) Oh yeah, almost forgot. Great video with great information.
Fantastic! I will gladly watch more of these
Very nice. Thanks for the insights
Now that is a landscape photography beast right here
Thinking about upgrading from my Z9😮💨
If I would by that camera.... I would need a truck first and a huge storage as well. Can't imagine the file size of that beast.... Thanks for the video!
This video for some reason had avery veratasium vibe in a good way. You guys should collab
Christopher Nolan right now: “how can I make this handheld?🤔”
When will we get to see photos of this camera in action?! Can’t wait to see it!
2:52 yall had me WIPING THE SCREEN DOWN goddam
It would be great to see you in Chile when the camera is being installed, or transported to the site.
For me this is one of the proudest human things, that we decided to do it, and managed to really make this (the camera and all the other parts of Vera C Rubin observatory), just to find things out about the universe. It's been quite a while since the early site preparation; not too much longer now, hopefully! The ESO ELT is an amazing project to follow also.
Finally something thats heavier than a Noct
Love this! So much more fun than lens reviews.
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What’s the sensor readout speed?
Does it have dual card slots?
When will Lightroom have raw support for it?
Does it have any good picture profiles for Instagram?
/S
Ahhh. the important questions
Your hair is amazing, don't worry Chris! ♥
this is clearly the future of webcams
thanks!!
So this is what a big format looks like
It gives me goosebumps just to think how little we know, when we realize we are just out of the eggshell and what´s ahead in our developemnt as a species. Hopefully after we pass a certain threshold, we will be accepted and given a hand by the more advanced civilizations out there. If we survive it, it is inevitable.
Thanks for covering the transport, very cool
I tried to blow on my phone when i noticed the hair... 😑
You idiot!!!
Actually just joking, I did the same.
So you’re not an idiot.
Or maybe we’re both idiots😂
I literally tried to move it away
I thought I had a cracked screen 😊
Had that happen to me long ago
He makes a good point: This is not a fancy-pants PR camera, but a true work-horse, like Gaia ! 💪
That lasagna pan stance is on point! :)
Love topics like this! Thanks!
Space is so fucking cool.
Wondering how good the sun-star capability is.... can you test that out?
Such good content and i love the occasional jokes. I subed
Wow. That's a big camera! 😮
toneh northrup would still misunderstand the crop factor on this.
Thanks for the stones weight info - that’s 29.5 x me..! 🇬🇧