Quick React Bag | Options & Advice
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- Today John is joined by WPS lead instructors Paul Perkerson and Josh Griffiths as they weigh the benefits, selection, and special considerations Warpoets should keep in mind concerning quick react/response bags and equipment.
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Paul speaking last makes people stay until the end of the video. Actually making him the most important person in the video.
Like the low man on the totem pole, holding all the others up!
i was gonna say, they save the best for last
Shorter bars handle more weight... Paul for President...
Me too! But then I may have a bit of a crush on Paul!
@@Everythingallthetime666 We all got issues. Paul is a great guy..
The Packy Sacks are coming soon! AVAILABLE IN THE COMING WEEKS! STAY TUNED!
Love, John 😁
John, I have a CR920 and there seems to be a huge gap (1/4in) between the frame and slide. Is that the same on yours?
Damn if only I waited a few more weeks to build my trauma kit. I'm interested to see how my double kit compares to yours. I love the clear bag idea!
Thanks John. Was about to comment I didn’t see kits on the site. Always one step ahead, huh?!👍🏻
Med kits in vehicles in South Texas summer heat will the WPS Packy Sacks endure valiantly? And how often would one rotate med kits (ankle,home,car,etc) out of use?
Any idea on the general price range of each kit?
Everyone needs at least a medical kit in their vehicles and homes... particularly quick life-saving tools like tourniquets and gauze
I keep a tourniquet and a small trauma kit in my EDC bag
Wife is a nurse, she has a full go bag. That's no excuse for me not having one.
Yep. I have a kit I put together. Trauma shears, lots of gauze, tourniquet, Israeli bandage, and a couple chest seals just because
Also. Practise. Gauze with no practise is just nice decorations. Talk to your local fire department and see if they can accomodate or know who can.
all the supplies in the world mean nothing if you do not know how to use supplies. when poop hits the oscillating blades there is no time to read directions... I enjoy watching who have all kinds of stuff, but I bet they have no clue how to used it. I love the people running around with chest decompression needles... Remember despite what key board commandos think.....we all default to our level of training.. Either you are part of the solution or you are part of the problem...
"It's bigger than nothing" -John Lovell Thank you for giving me the argument I didn't know I needed.
I’m an EMT and a firefighter and I keep a smaller EMS bag (airways but no oxygen), breaching tools (axe, pry bar, 24” bolt cutters, machete with saw) and common tools along with rope my truck. I made my kit focused on medical and rescue along with my edc Glock 43x.
In a self defense situation you only have seconds to react but with medical and fire rescue you may have 30 seconds or a minute to run to your truck and grab the necessary tools.
I only keep supplies in my med kit that is within my scope of practice and training. Some med kits have decompression needles but remember that chest decompression is at the paramedic level in some states so you don’t want to be liable for something outside of your scope of practice. Applying a chest seal would be more effective if you are a bystander to prevent pneumothorax that would later need decompression if left untreated.
The WPS med kit in this video looks perfect for bystanders because you want to focus on sucking chest wounds and bleeding control then keep an open airway.
Great tips
I have more med kit than I know what to do with just in case someone on scene has more knowledge and experience than me. I am just getting my feet wet in medical, but I am prepared in case something happens. My thought is at least I'll have tools to try and save a life instead of standing there watching.
DUDE! ...I like your style! A+ on the machete and 43x decision 👍
Paul good to see ya man. Train with Paul, you will not regret the training you will get from this gem
Of an instructor!
Interesting to see the different approaches taken even by professionals. Goes to show that there's no one right way to do things.
Right, and this applies to almost all of the things. It’s kinda crazy when you think about it
I’ve been a paramedic for, well awhile, and every single time I’ve come on scene an someone is rendering aid, they are either doing it wrong or have missed some pretty serious stuff. So I think the single best thing you can bring to an active shooter, mass causality situation is a clear calm brain and solid focused training.
My thought and approach is my EDC forearm, a very sharp knife, and a tourniquet. I’m my vehicle I have a pretty serious amount of tourniquets and quick clot, pressure dressings and chest seals. That is all you need.
Absolutely agree. Every code we've run the on-scene CPR was useless. People don't want to 'hurt' their loved ones, but CPR the right way is simply violent.
Agreed on the EDC as well. The fantasy of carrying a fully loaded medic bag is cool, but ultimately unrealistic.
@@RMSVA 100%. I have said for decades that the hardest part of learning to be a great medic is learning how to touch people and getting in there and doing what has to be done. Stay safe brother.
@@RMSVA What does it mean when you hear/feel their sternum break? “Effective CPR!” 😳
I'm a retired Paramedic i retired 20 years ago. Back then we made our own tourniquet and sucking chest dressing. I now have several med kits, one super large military type, and several smaller ones, with tons of tourniquets and chest dressings, blood clot, and everything else I can carry.
I carry in every vehicle. I miss my active duty time, but I still help when I can.
As a paramedic also, agreed.
I'm with Paul on the "you'll fight with what you have" mentality.
If you happen to be in your vehicle when things kick off, you can have more options, but going back to it to retrieve kit is just slowing you down and allowing more time for the BG to continue unimpeded.
But I also take Josh's approach to having more than enough firepower if time allows, and armor.
I carry a small sling bag that is large enough to hold a 10x12 flat armor plate and a 7" 300BO pistol broken down with a DOLOS kit and Law Tactical folder. It can be deployed and ready in less than 20 seconds, the sling bag worn on the front, and I have 20-30 rnds ready and armor coving front vitals. Blood stopping medical is in the bag as well.
I don't always have this bag, but it's unobtrusive enough that I will carry it with me if I'm in a busy and populated area that would be a prime target for a coward to harm innocent people.
If on the X, my EDC will be the fastest option, always paired with an extra mag. Magazine failures are the #1 cause of gun malfunctions. It's not about having more rounds.
If off the X but hear gunfire, the situation will dictate whether the AR comes out, or the handgun remains the best option. Either way, armor moves to the side of the body facing the gunfire.
I carry a laptop satchel (sans laptop). The laptop pocket is the perfect size for a plate. I may go this route.
You could cut a couple pieces of galvanized pipe at 18" to double the leverage on your bolt cutters without adding too much weight or taking up too much space. Add a thumb set screw even so they don't slip off.
Should always have at least 1 backup magazine. Not so much for the rrload but for failures
And they can be rather easy to carry.
Especially if the mag in the gun is not oem...
Someone so skilled should be adequately equipped.
In many cases people buy gear to compensate for a lack of skill. And in other cases skill negates the need to carry the kitchen sink but there is a sweet spot where the right guy needs the right tool to do the job right.
Or maybe he has trained to strip the mag and retain it while clearing stopage.. then reinsert and continue.
Just playing devil's advocate.
@@Buletspunge555 often if you have to strip a mag there will be a round improperly seated in the mag blocking reinsertion.
Rip the mag, reload new mag. Much simpler in an emergency situation where admin isn't possible.
Saving a few extra rounds might not be worth keeping the gun out of action for longer.
It all depends on the situation.
@@ImperiumLibertas 😆. I was playing devil's advocate because we show our students both methods.
Not everyone carries an extra mag. It's important to be able to identify and rectify a stopage while reusing your magazine if that's the only magazine you have.
It's not difficult to learn, it's just that most people don't bother because they prefer to chuck it and grab a backup instead. It's contextual.
Great video, as always! Lvl 1: If I’m stepping foot out of my house I have my pistol (M&P9 2.0 Compact or Shield Plus depending on the context), spare mag, knife, wallet, phone, and light on my person.
Lvl 2: I always have my bag in my truck or office or close to wherever I am. In it I always have another pistol (full size M&P9 2.0), 2 spare 17rd mags, trauma kit, multi tool, knife, light, headlamp, gloves, charging cables and spare batteries, notepad and pen, cash, water purification kit, fire staring kit, and spare water bottle.
I can only imagine how much fun it would be to have John as your boss lol
If he were in southern Louisiana, I'd apply for a job for sure!
As long as you can get a 300 on your PT test
It’s rough to say the least
I am a mixture of you all. I have go bag/ active shooter bag with a pdw and chest rig, food, water, and medical along with other small items. I am prepared for if I am right there on the x as you put it, or I can plus up and help with my medical kit I keep in my vehicle. Having been an officer, I am very aware of the issues when LE arrive, and so I have s plan for that too. Communication is key if time allowed...call dispatch and have them on the line with you as you respond and LE respond. They can tell officers who you are and what to look for as they arrive.
Bag should contain Gun/Ammo, good light, med kit, dry food, water, 2 way radio (know your local frequencies), multi-tool. That's literally it. Would pretty much cover over 95% of normal scenarios in urban or rural areas.
Can you imagine if Officer McClane (NYPD) at Nakatomi Plaza (in 1988) had been given this sage advice before his heroic undertaking.
I'm glad we've learned so much since then.
Keep spreading the truth.
Would love to hear about Josh’s “multiple scenarios where he has pulled his CCW”. Are these as a contractor or working security, or just regular every day life? It seems hard to believe that anyone in the US is needing to pull CCW on a regular basis.
Depends where you are. Rural areas is unlikely, but in some urban areas I wouldn’t be surprised, especially with the decline we see in many cities.
@@alwaysbgaming97 Yeah maybe so. I get it the urban areas are way more volatile in general, but I guess I’m coming from the perspective that if I ever pull my concealed weapon, it is to shoot somebody. Not to be a deterrent to some act that may or may not happen. That’s why I’m kind of curious. I’m wondering if my perspective is different than Josh is on what constitutes having a gun in your hand, or if he’s literally been in active shooter situation‘s. If the latter is the case I find that highly unique and unusual for our culture. That is for one person to be in multiple of those types of events. I’m not saying it’s right wrong, good or bad, I’m just pulling from my own 45 years of experience and recognizing that I’ve never been in the situation where a gun has been wrongfully used, or needed to defuse a situation. I still carry every day, just in case , but just curious
@@brianmills4891 Well said. And yeah every situation is different. If you get surrounded by 3 guys who aren’t armed but are acting aggressive towards you, do you not draw because there is no imminent threat? Or do you draw because you believe they want to harm you? Many schools of thought, as well as laws that come into play. But in situations like the one I just gave, criminals aren’t likely to call the police and report you for brandishing a firearm. Regardless, yes it’s very uncommon to have to draw your gun, let alone multiple times. If my area where I lived was bad enough to where I’ve felt I had to draw a gun multiple times, I wouldn’t live there! Let alone let anyone I love live there!
Breachpen. Much lighter than and can cut through more than bolt cutters. Real life scenario, it is doubtful you will need to cut through more than two doors. Hence, I carry 3. Much lighter than bolt cutters too. Breachpen runs out, drop and go. With bolt cutters you have to re-stow then go with each use. Love everything else. Ready for that triple ifak to hit the store! Great idea (see-through.)
Googling this now
I don't think they sell to the civilian market though
@@vinceaikens195 They do, have to sign liability form online before purchasing
I laughed my ass off when I watched that demo video. Trying to make that whole process sound easier and more convenient than bolt cutters. It's cool, for sure, but you need eye pro, gloves, extra thermite matches, dry-ish striker, a small fire extinguisher, the thing burns for 25 seconds and it took the guy 23 seconds to burn through a chain.
There was no margin for error and he wouldn't have got through it if it took 1 more second.
It was also really weird that the guy had only used 5 of them before and didn't work for the company or make any money from any sales?
I dunno, overall, I gotta say even if I had a couple of those I would want bolt cutters. And honestly the weight of bolt cutters can't be much more than 3 breachpens and you can use them for many many excursions, plus they don't burn at 5000 degrees
Breach pens and bolt cutters are cool and all, but I'd say practicing a few dozen hours with a lock picking multitool, having an etool, and a small metal saw will get through or under most priority obstacles. Metal saw blades interchangeable with wood saw blades need only one frame to bring, the blade itself is unnoticeably light while able to get through most any metal softer than high carbon steel. A good sturdy etool can also make as a good hatchet or pry bar for forced entry on wood doors as well as going under fencing, and can be useful in leveraging metal doors when picking. Lock picking seems like magic at first, but after a while everything literally starts clicking; especially with common locks that are used for nearly everything. After a few days of tinkering with my house locks I lost all hope in their security. I can get into most places people don't want me to be in
PS. To each their own, I don't personally like the one time use of many uncommon fuel based items, but if you have specific personal missions that need to be done in a shtf that would be made 80% easier, I'd say bring em. Bolt cutters are also mission specific imo. If they're carried without purpose for more than a couple days on an excursion one may as well be carrying 10-15lbs of bricks instead
In my laptop bag, which is 5.11 in navy blue and has a secondary strap for around the waist to decrease flopping: I have a flat rectangular ceramic lvl 4 plate velcroed in the laptop space for defensive utility. A yellow safety vest in the mesh water bottle holder. I have an 18” set of foldable bolt cutters. In the CCW quick access pouch I have 4 spare mags for my G29 which is my edc. In one of the outer zipper pockets there is a pair of backup earbuds (primary are Bose sport earbuds and I never wear both in public. In the other zip up pocket there are 4 bright Orange emergency whistles to hand out to people taking cover to signal if they spot the threat again. On the outer Molle between the pockets in a rechargeable streamlight flashlight and a fixed blade knife, and of course a large warrior poet Velcro patch and another medium sized hospitallers cross patch to help aid in OD as good guy. Flip open the bag and inside the non-laptop pockets you’ll find med kit with 5 tourniquets in the phone style slots and IFACs individually packaged for a total of 5. In the final Velcro closure pouch inside there is a set of lock picks. This has taken quite a bit of refinement to get to as prior I used a backpack however I didn’t like having to hinder my handling of my firearm out of ready position to gain access. I had a couple buddies make a joke that it was a man purse, and I laughed with them and said “yup, mainly as heck! Check out what’s in here!”
Level 1. It's what will matter 95% of the time, it's the one worth putting the most effort/focus in. For all other situations, I'd say Bug-in is more viable.
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I find myself when out of the house, thinking "What will I do if something goes down here?" I used to train Corrections officers to play the "What if game." Since I started carrying more, I think it should be everyone's mind set in this insane world. Also, med kit in the vehicle is a must
Fenix pd35 or pd36 flashlight, leatherman bolster, Sig p365 with 12+1, Gerber ghost strike knife on body.
Backpack with snacks, level 3+ soft armor and ifak.
Vehicle with larger first aid bag, spare mags, breaching tools, etc.j
In today's world, this is a most welcome video full of top-level tips.
As a retired RN I have always carried medical supplies with me. I'm more like Paul. EDC is either a Hellcat Pro (16 rds) or a 365. No spare mag. Knife, light and a good look around.
God bless you and your family's praying for all of you and God bless the USA.
Another good idea for responding to active killer is a pair of air pods so you can throw them in dial 911 and have hands off communication with a dispatcher and give more info on the situation so it will be less likely for you to get taken out by responding officers
I’m leaning this same direction to make sure your interaction with police is the most favorable. The idea of a concealed carry badge is probably not the best idea due to the fact that you could be conceived as trying to impersonate an officer. Plus, the bad guy could try the same thing so first responders could be trained to expect that.
Thanks for the advice. As a retired nurse you would think I would have medical in my vehicle but no. Now you shamed me into it, I’ll have a med kit soon.
I can’t tell you how good your on the x advice for law enforcement/ civilian encounters is. I’ve had several moments in my career where I’m dialed up to 100 trying to solve a bad problem as fast as I can. Often times the call on the radio isnt specific. It’s shots fired…person shot…disturbance with a weapon etc. The faster you can identify yourself as a “non combatant” “non threat” the better off you are.
I love Paul’s thought process.
I’m with Paul on this one. The likely hood of having all these packs and different sets of gear while in a public setting is extremely low. Walking around the mall, or going into a school, or other public outing with a backpack or other gear is just unreasonable and I doubt anyone, no matter how hardcore, does this 100% of the time. I think Pauls idea is way more realistic. Just be a regular everyday kinda dude who is ready to defend life. That simple. The other stuff with work itself out.
I'm not, not hard to carry a bit more on body and there's far too many reasons to keep at least extra medical in your vehicle. People like to think all tactical and whatever, but the odds of being on scene at a car accident are FAR FAR more likely.
@@snek9353 yeah, definitely keep a trauma kit in the car. Thought i was gonna have to use mine last year at the scene of a crash, but LE pulled in right behind me. One driver was knocked unconscious and had nose bleeding all over the airbag. I saw the blood from the road. She was conscious a couple seconds after I pulled in.
Haley strategic flatpack mounted to my trucks’s headrest. It’s filled with full medical gear for up to 2 patients, BVMs too.
an arm band, sash or “traffic” vest that says SECURITY folds up pretty small, weighs nothing and will give responders just a second pause to help you survive if you happen to be a civilian responder. Thanks for all the ideas and advice. Keep it up.
Has anyone actually talked to cops to see if they would pause or just mag dump the defender anyway?
@@Ovokor As a retired cop, I'd say that if you're holding a gun in an active shooter situation the odds are high that you'll be targeted. Hopefully, they'd try to make sure you weren't plainclothes, but like John said, battlefields are chaos.
@@greyscout01 I figured as much, thank you for the insight.
I carry my Red Cross vest just in case for something like this. I used to work for Red Cross for disaster management and they issued us these awesome hot weather "tactical" type vests they were testing out to replace their current stock. It's got the reflective strips on it, bunch of pockets, and it cinches tight with molle straps.
I always wear my local Fire Department hat I got from my late Uncle when I'm out and about. He was the former fire chief for the town I live in.
I always figured/hoped if I ever get in an active shooter situation it might buy me that couple of seconds of hesitation from any responding good guys,mainly police, and I can go from there.
That being said I've always wondered if they would even be able to read my hat from 20-30 yards, or would they just see a man with a gun and open fire.
The print is fairly large, but sometimes I just don't know. Better than nothing I suppose. ┐( ˘_˘)┌
Thank you, I stay pretty light depending on where I am but have med kit plus in the car at all times.
Might be 30 minutes until cops arrive on scene, and then another hour before they go in.
Great Information . my EDC G48 MOS with Light. 2 spare magazines, RAT tourniquet and a knife. On my work suitcase A Bleeding kit for 2 persons and in my car a biggest mass casualty Bag
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I just upgraded my on body iFak to the WPS ankle carry! Gets here Saturday! Good video! Thanks!
I feel like Paul is the most knowledgeable 100% old man seen it all
I’m not sure why these videos are entertaining but they are. I do look forward to watching them
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I would totally forgo the flex cuffs or ANY kind of bondage items! If you’re ever stopped and searched for whatever reason, a bag with weapons, duct tape and cuffs can be EXTREMELY suspicious! Many rapists and serial killers have carried “rape kit” bags. You could be held and heavily investigated. Especially if there happens to be unsolved rapes in the area!
Bolt cutters are definitely a no go also. I know someone who literally got charges for having burglary tools as a kid because he had bolt cutters in his trunk.
bravo for Paul to say that statistically you won't use a spare mag... most in the industry won't admit that but i think it's true.. spare mag is not my first...i rather carry a fix blade and more medical
Be interested to here WPS thoughts on wearing a high vis/security vest if responding to a active killer situation? I’ve heard it talked about before as a way to let the first responders know that you are not the threat.
Maybe not a terrible idea, but it being high-vis could work against you if you're trying to avoid being seen by the shooter.
What about a T shirt with police on the back? Wouldn't take hardly any time at all to throw it on and go. Impersonating an officer at that point would be the least of everyone's worries if an active shooter is put down by you or your staged in an area where you have them pinned down and waiting on backup.
@@colearmitage1000 i get it but even a real cop from out of the local area may be suspect when the uniforms show up.
I agree with the 100% as well as the concerns of the first response above. That said, perhaps in addition to having the bright vest, maybe having a large RED CROSS sewn on the back and halves on the front to make the international First Aid emblem visible would give responding LEO pause to at least question you or think about shooting first THEN asking questions when encountering you. But as Mr. Big pointed out, when 1st Responders do enter the fray, go CCW again and make DAMNED SURE you have cover if the Bad Guy isn't down and out so he can't shoot YOU in the meantime.
Great points all, though, and I try to make it a point to always have SOME KIND of IFAK with me when I'm out of the house. To me it's just a good practice these days.
Great Job, Three Musketeers (Two Musketeers and one Mouseketeer perhaps? Sorry BadAss Gnome-Bro. Still Love Ya, no spare mag even.)
I would say a throw on sticker would be better tbh, high vis vests could be bad for you in that situation but disposable “responder” stickers on your chest and back would do the job. As long as you stand down when police arrive im sure youd be alright.
Paul is the man! Tatted n jacked
I have personally moved towards gray man, blend in and have it minimalist
Everyone’s setups looked good! John, have you thought about including a Breach Pen with your smaller bolt cutters as an added breaching tool, could come in handy if the cutters aren’t doing the job. 🤙🏽
Breach pen is good but remember it burns at 5000 degrees for x amount of time based on size. So you also need their extinguisher and I would want an ammo can type object to contain it after use for everyone else’s safety. Thats a lot of extra load out as a singleton
Does John know that the 43x can have s15's in them and that makes it a 15 +1 for not much bigger than the new warpoet
Yes, he did a video on it
True, but they may not be as reliable. In some cases they are. I did not have good luck with them. They made my gun cycle badly with extreme force on a full mag (drastically increased the force required for the slide) and switching the mag release resulted in being unable to use the standard mags. If you put a regular mag in there, it would get jammed and require significant force to pull out.
Not worth it for me. For my carry pistol, I would rather have the reliability of a Glock if I am carrying a Glock.
@@FilmFlam-8008 I have s15s and the mag release. I still use the oem mags with no real issue. I understand the argument but not a problem im having
@@wyatterdman8742
In my discussions with the Shield Arms staff, they said that some guns have different tolerances, and it can occur. For the most part, they don’t have issues, but they can exist.
And it was with multiple mags of theirs.
I know several people who say they have no issue with them. But I have. And many others have.
If they work great for you and you verify that with a few thousand rounds, then great.
But for me, when it makes a slide hard to rack and the cycling isn’t as reliable, I am not trying to put a thousand rounds through it to just break it in. Stock, the Glock ate any ammo without a hiccup. With the S15, it wasn’t as reliable. And that’s a no-go for me. I would rather carry a 7 shot G43 with a spare mag than a less reliable 16 rounder.
Edit: and there was NO WAY to use a stock mag with their metal mag. It just jammed the gun. Their mags fed and released perfectly, but stock would jam to the point you had to strip it out every time.
I believe he said the shadow systems has a propriety mag system and Glock mags down work on his new gun.
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God bless boys. This was good info all around. I’m going to setup a responder bag this weekend.
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I come from the concept of Minuteman, so I have my pistol I carry in my vehicle, but at home I have a bag that has an AR that’s ready to go with several magazines and a place for water and first aid gear
One random thought, which is in no way intended to disparage the people in this video: If you find yourself in a number of situations where you've had to draw your CC in the United States, you're hanging out in the wrong places. And no, I'm not joking. I carried weapons professionally for a career in an urban area. So far, when I was not at work, I've only had to pull my cc once. If you make the comment that you've had to pull your CC "Several times" something is definitely wrong. If you're a contractor overseas, that's entirely different. I get it. But if you're pulling a CC in the US on a regular basis, you either live in the wrong place, hang out with the wrong people, or you're actively looking for trouble.
Possibly. Or which is more likely for this gentleman, he travels frequently and the entire highway system is one large transitional space and criminals patrol it for prey. Also, more and more the bad actors are headed to the low crime areas on the good side of the tracks so to speak, as people have more stuff to steal and have let their guard down. I live in a very nice area and in the past two years we have had 4 incidents where perps were doing criminal shit in our neighborhood, which is a dead end loop for vehicles and just barely better on foot, and the sheriffs had to respond with road block in front of my house near the entrance paired with dogs, horseback and helicopters to track the scum as they attempt to flee through the river bed and creek system. It hasn’t ended well for any of the perps. Best part is myself and the neighbors all come out and the sheriff knows who is who and asks us to pitch in, so we all take up a post and keep watch.
@@Natedoc808 So, by your own description, you're looking for a reason to pull your weapon and get involved in some kind of gun fight. Right? Listen, if that's what you want to do, I have zero judgement. But my point was that if you're a regular citizen, not in law enforcement, and you find yourself pulling your gun on people more than once in your entire life, I would encourage you to reconsider a variety of your choices.
@@mattphillips1910 nowhere did I say that myself or anyone I know was going out looking for a gun fight; I’ve even re-read my comment a few times and am still scratching my head at where you got that from. I’ve had to draw my CC in a defensive manner three times and thank God never had to fire it. Not a single time was I internet til ally putting myself in the situation. Remember, bad guys get to be ambush predators, and all we can do is respond. If someone is pounding on your door at 3am covering your peephole asking to be let in to use your phone meanwhile you can see there are two more people outside on each side of the door… you aren’t grabbing your gun? Or two guys try to climb into your car at a red light but your doors are locked, so you pull your gun and evasively drive off, that sound like looking for a fight? Or how about if you’re walking your wife and daughter out to the car after a movie and you notice a car has parked very close to the passenger side, at an angle, isn’t fully in the space so the doors line up for a snatch and grab, and is running but the lights are off? Keep in mind these all happened in one of the lowest crime counties in the country; an affluent area. I also owned my own business for a while in a different city with worse crime rates but the business was in an affluent area and had to make cash deposits regularly and despite banking in the best oft of town, still had some thugs from Fresno come to the adjacent city of clovis trying to jack people. Don’t think for a second that the criminals don’t know where the money is; that’s naive. Also don’t think that having to draw your weapon has anything to do with looking for trouble, that’s a dangerous assumption that may make you hesitate accessing your weapon and by then it’s too late. But hey, maybe you have some crystal ball, a magic mirror, a castle, a moat, a garrison and you never leave your house… but even the tallest walls signal to the bad guys that something worth taking is behind them. Hopefully you never have to come across the scum I have.
@@Natedoc808 You make excellent points. Maybe I misunderstood you. Sorry. I carried a weapon for 30 years. Drew it more times than I can remember. But that was for work. In my experience, people who carry tend to find themselves in situations where they need that weapon. It's not a coincidence. And btw, I know Tulare County very well. My entire family is from there. We all left decades ago. Why? Not a safe place to live. Even places that used to be sleepy little towns, like Ivanhoe and Dinuba, Sultana, are now crime-ridden.
@@mattphillips1910 I lived in Clovis for 20 years and clovis PD used to set up on the main roads from Fresno to clovis and profile/screen many of the vehicles coming across the line and roll them. These days, even northeast Fresno all the way out to copper river country club is grounds to watch your back. Plenty of thugs coming to the good parts of town and into clovis. I’m out on the coast now and even out here there have been some close calls.
My biggest difference from John is I run a leatherback 3A lvl backpack with my response gear inside so I'm less likely to end up dead. Though I try to keep the overall profile of it down so I can store it under my car seat. Aside from that I prefer the notion of I'd rather not need it than not have it and need it. Great video guys and I think I'll be ordering one of those triple kits after my move for a larger option than the two kits I usually carry.
Like a lot of people, I carry a certain amount of EDC, and keep more stuff in the vehicle. When I have my “regular Carrie“ backpack, I keep a little bit more in there, spare mags, medical, etc. the biggest change for me though has been over the past couple of years. I had a back surgery that went sideways, so I had to change literally everything about what I carried on a regular basis. From the size of the handgun, the caliber (e.g., weight), the size of the bag that I normally carried as a briefcase when I was working, even things like having to change the size of my day planner. It also changed things like what I carried as my get home gear. Simply put, I could no longer plan on being able to hike to the mountains all the way home again like I used to, nor can I carry the weight that I could before. And then about a month ago, my back blew out and I had to have a two level fusion. I’m recovering pretty well, but there’s some damage to my nerves that who knows how well will resolve. So, I’m having to reformulate everything again. I’ve often wished that some of the trainers on some of the TH-cam channels would have a whole series of classes on preparedness and EDC, training, etc. with health issues in mind.
That would be useful for many of us. None of us are what we were twenty years ago. I have adapted my kits to be smaller and more effective, but I have also looked at staging gear in key locations. It also helps if you have younger ones who you mentor--they can carry the gear.
@@barrywalker4790 Well said. And you mention the kids - I have 3 toddlers. I didn’t mention that part, that’s another complication in all this. Trying to figure out how to be a defender for my family whilst still being in a broken body. But it also drives me to keep finding better ways to function.
for the last dude. everyone needs a spare mag. 1/3 of all assaults are committed by 2 or more attackers and since pistols are lousy fight stoppers anyway you very well may need to reload. and i've GOT to get my ankle kit back up and serviceable thanks for the reminder.
I normally carry an extra mag not because I think I’ll get into a running gun battle but more because I feel mags can be a failure point on guns that is easy to fix unless you don’t have another.
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I am more on Johns set up. I use more discreet civilian set up. For active killer and time permitting I will grab a bag. I prefer a single strap like Josh to use only one hand to sling it. Things I do add are an orange vest that reads security. It may help if I can get it on before LEO arrives. Large sharpie/ chem lights to mark my direction of travel. Two different types of ammo. Barrier/ bonded rounds and my carry ammo. Cold burning smoke, bangs , breach pen/ extinguisher, mini FLIR. Sounds like a lot but it fits in the same size bag as Johns and there is a IIIA backer in my pack. And trauma kit for 3-4 wounded. Skill set is another subject but if innocence are dying every man has an obligation.
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Picked this up from another hi-spped low drag guy, for lvl 2&3 a reflective vest with the word security. May give you that split second with a rookie responder to drop your gun before he decides "your" the bad guy.
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Paul is such a good sport.
The breaching tool is an interesting addition. Never thought of that one. I like the modified laptop bag. You don't have to go buy an expensive, specially created bag if you have a reliable solution that may just need some modifications. And it's also inconspicuous.
I think going on about maybe doing a in the city situation vrs a in the country situation. Elaborate on that more because time is everything. Had a situation happen at my neighbors place with a domestic, even though we are in town (1200 population) we have no local police only county. Took 15 minutes for them to arrive and the situation was getting worse and worse, almost to the point of needing to assist before someone died, but luckily they got there just before that decision had to be made.
apsolutely love the different mindsets, I think medical needs to become a discustingly common thing to be ran in edc, your IFAKs are sweet and I will be grabbing them 👍
My EDC is a Sig P938 with one extra mag just to fight my way to my truck where my bags, kits and more pew-pews are located.
All I want to say to Paul for consideration is that having to use a defensive gun is already a statistically improbable event. The average round count typically touted of 2-3 for self-defense actually includes 0 shots fired (about 76% of DGUs) which pulls that average down quite a bit. He may want to consider start carrying a second mag with that in mind, but everyone does what works for them! Thanks for the video. NOTE* I do have a background in statistics and applied mathematics, I am not just BSing this comment.
Having to use a gun defensively**
I believe being highly proficient with the Level 1 will handle 95% of situations. Also depends if I am alone or with my family as to if I take an offensive or defensive posture in those situations.
I’m with Paul on this one, only the essentials, the chances of facing an active shooter are increasing, but are not that great yet.
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Great idea with the earbuds John. That could make the difference when reintroducing with law enforcement if you are on the phone with dispatch to communicate
One up that though with a bone conduction headset. They are faster to put on, don't block hearing, and can be worn with ear plugs.
I like the variety. Thanks!
Would definitely recommend looking into the new Olaes Hemostatic bandages from TacMed. You have a pressure bandage combined with hemostatic gauze. Great for space saving.
Sounds much like an Israeli bandage
@@Aphabet21 same style concept except the gauze for wound packing arey impregnated with hemostatic to help stop a bleed. It would be like taking an Israeli and attaching a quikclot combat gauze to it. Though with the amount of people on blood thinners, at least in the US, I have had better experience with chitosan based hemostats like Celox or Hemcon. Don't have to worry about the body's natural clotting cascade then.
@@CPowell133 ah. Sounds good, but I already have quik clot gauze and Israeli bandages. I guess it gives me more discretion. My quik clot is the new recipe though.
@@Aphabet21 The whole Quikclot line is Kaolin based which helps accelerate the bodies clotting cascade. Studies are basically the same between them to be honest. Personally, just prefer products that are Chitosan based like Celox. Dealt with patients in shock and early stages of hypothermia where the body struggles to clot effectively.
@@CPowell133 I see. God to know. Basically I learned about Quik clot through my time as an infantryman. The old recipe burned like hell, but the new one seemed to not burn as much.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks it's entirely appropriate for a civilian to have a level 3 option that includes body armor.
Love that Josh is still true to Glock. So many you tubers have sold out to Sig because of the money. Good on WPS to stick with what works BEST.
I keep an M18 claymore mine in an AIWB holster, with a shotgun card of party poppers for distraction and disorientation.
I really need to up my survival game. Everytime these types of videos come out I feel inadequately prepared.
On a side note, John, I would love to see you get on the TimCast Irl show and engage the culture, speak truth, and promote the 2nd Ammendment. But most importantly share biblical truth.
Emphatically 2nd this.
Agreed!!
Ppe…safety glasses, hearing protection, face covering…I added these based on flying debri sucks and being on a battlefield with crap in your eye suck…ask me how I know.
One of your compadre/competitors suggested, for vehicle and response kits, a fluorescent "SECURITY" vest, just to give LE a moment of pause before they use deadly force on an armed citizen trying to help without knowledge that LE is on scene. I thought it was a reasonable, easily and quickly applied tool that might get you a command before a trigger squeeze.
if had time to throw one on, I believe maybe could make you a target only to any bad guy, but could also help tremendously in situations when police arrive.
depending the state you live in, you could probably be charge with a crime for wearing a Security vest without proper licensing
@@zboy6577 Not likely, and definitely not in my state. Either way, the odds of needing it because of an incident, and then being charged, are slim to none. I'll take that chance to help avoid being shot by mistake. I don't have any intention of wearing one in hopes of getting a discount at McDonalds. By all means, don't wear one if you're more worried about that than being shot
@@zboy6577 "Thanks for stopping the mass shooter...sorry, but you're under arrest for impersonating Paul Blart. P.S. We're going to impound your Segway."
Interesting the various approaches and very educational as a former FFEMTP, I lean on a lot more medical and extrication / Breaching
I get the moral response, but in most of these cases, Paul is pretty much how all of us are on any given day. If there was an active shooter going on, running back to your car to grab a rifle, or bag, or whatever I could see as questionable. We carry to protect our lives and the lives of others, but other than that, to hunt down an active shooter could be incredibly dangerous in how fast we move, time changes to us under stress. What could feel like seconds could be a minute and vise versa and in that time, cops could arrive as you’re still looking for the guy and now you become the guy to the cops. I’m not saying that carrying a rifle is so much of a bad thing, but having it stowed away as an active shooter backup might be a bit in the extreme. Also, hunting a shooter down might be on the extreme. Again, morally, yes, questionable? Yeah. Carrying a little bit of medical is cool, but to leave a location and to return is weird, and to end a shooting and then leave and return could be a big red flag. So I don’t know. Level two and three seem a bit much. This might just be the military in these guys, but I don’t know of many accounts where people hunt down shooters and medical is supplied much before cops and medical arrive on the scene.
My comment is... if I'm ever involved in or near an active shooter situation or something similar, I hope John and his team are not far away. The same goes for many commenters on these videos, whether prepared to take down the shooter or render medical aid to those who get hurt.
PS... One of the main issues I'm seeing regarding gear is that everyone is SOLD OUT. I'm really hoping it's primarily a supply chain issue and not thousands of people knowing something I don't.
For those who are in law enforcement I would recommend having a vest or something that says police to reduce the chances of friendly fire.
Even those not in LE.
Lots of great information! Videos like these help out with new ideas for EDC and more
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I wonder if the LE killing the good guy was due to lack of training or simply bad luck. I tend to dislike cops in general so I tend to lean toward them not having a clue on how to handle themselves
It also makes me angry that it’s a “regrettable accident” if they shoot us, the good guy in the middle. But if we make a mistake, all hell’s fury will rain down on us and our families.
I live in Indy, about 10 minutes from the Greenwood Park Mall. I have been in that mall countless times. I asked myself if that were me in that same situation that Mr. Dickens was in, would I have responded so well and efficiently? I try to tell myself yes, but when I really analyze it, no. And it's a hardware issue, not a courage or determination issue. I carry a Kimber K6S, which is a snub nose 357 mag with no exposed hammer. DA only. Its a six shooter, but I don't carry any additional rounds. At my current level of training and proficiency I am confident I can get all six on target from 10 to 12 feet. The further out, the less rounds on target. At 40 yards he put 8 out of 10 rounds on target, neutralizing the killer. If I landed one on him I would be shocked. My only hope of getting him for sure would be to make a mad dash at him using signs, planters, the Sunglass Hut and other mall items to get within range. That is unacceptable. So I got me a Glock 43 with a 2 round extension in one of the mags, the other is stock 6 rounds. That's 8+1 then +6. I set the target at 40 yards and put all 9 in first mag in the silhouette, 6 of them were center mass. So I now know I am at least capable of the job. Let's hope I don't find out. The second mag would be just in case the first mag malfunctioned, not for the extra ammo. If nine 9mm won't do the job, God bless the next six...
Paul it the most important person ok n the video because always save the best for last
Definitely think y’all need more tools somewhere, a multi tool with a driver/ a small bag of Allen keys or something … I also think a extra power is needed always extra battery’s for lights and extra charging box like John had is a must. And I think the Last guy is insane not carrying a spare mag it’s just too easy to carry not to do it and in a malfunction situation instantly dropping your main mag rack and reload is the only the way to fix that situation
They do sell bolt cutters with folding handles at Menards
I would add a large black marker or chalk or something. In case you need to mark something for incoming officers. Like an IED or trap that you found. Or just anything.
I've kept a pack of jumbo sidewalk chalk in my car for years. My bag has 2 sizes of permanent marker and a piece of soapstone pencil.
Love this I need to get set up better you make me think about things to have.
Great learning 👍 thanks !
G19 (16 rounds)
Spare 19 round mag
Tourniquet
Socp dagger knife
Stream light
Badge (I am a le officer and that may help them not shoot me)
In bag, spare mag, IFAK, boo boo kit
Great idea to have the earbuds for comms with LE
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They have the big bolt cutters that fold down to the same size as the ones you have…the handle folds..
This is great information thanks guys !
Thank you. Was thinking about something a little smaller? Maybe to use while driving with ability to draw plus medical, edc options
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1st: PAUL should KNOW better!!! No spare or extra mags… SHAME on you Paul!!! 90% of all malfunctions are “mag related”! You greatly increase the chance of taking yourself OUT of the fight before you’re even IN the fight…