Chris Broussard- if Nikola Jokic Wins a Championship, I Think He's Better Than Dirk Nowitzki
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- THE ODD COUPLE - Chris Broussard & Rob Parker talk about Nikola Jokic and the run he is going on. A recent debate erupted on social media regarding Nikola Jokic and Dirk Nowitzki and who is going to have the better career.
What do you think? Let us know in the comments.
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The craziest thing about all of these stats is that its almost the norm for Jokic. Hes putting up all time numbers in his first nba finals game but this is what the guy does on a daily basis. I wouldnt be amazed if the guy has even crazier stat lines in the next few games. I hope when Nikolas career is all said and done he has a few rings to show for it so ppl can truly appreciate how great this man is.
Jokic’s style of play benefits from the modern era of positionless, 3pt focused basketball. Larry Bird could have easily out up similar numbers if he played today. Jokic would have the rebounding edge due to his size. If SGA can average 30ppg, Dirk could. Dirk never averaged 30ppg for a season his entire career. Dirk played his peak years in the slowest offensive era of the modern NBA. Jokic is playing in the fastest era.
@@ninocrown3247 Great point!!👍🏽👍🏽
2:45 “I ain’t got time to talk about fricking Kyle Kuzma” 🤣
😂😂
I think Jokic is a better player when you look at what they both bring to the table, but Dirk definitely ranks higher all-time for now.
People are definitely to quick to anoint people players over others with many years in the league. Jokic certainly looks to be on the trajectory but I wish we’d just let these young players play for a while
He would have won 3 mvps in a row if not for the media. Did dirk do that?
@Corona Hoax same media cupping his balls now tho right?
@@CoronaHoax-nd2rr Dirk got drafted a year Jordan won MVP lol and competed against Lebron, Kobe, Steve Nash for MVPs around when he won his. His competition right now isn’t at that level. Not saying he can’t surpass Dirk, he’s not there yet but he’s definitely on the trajectory to pass Dirk and a lot of others.
Same reason I give Jokic the nod over Giannis and Embid for availability, longevity also matters when looking at careers
if he wins this chip and assuminig he doesnt get a career ending injury during his prime he would be ahead of dirk no question.
Jokic is changing the game and we are all watching that like Magic said..he's a point center everything in the team goes through him..he plays the game the right way and its just beautiful..he will be one of the greatest centers and players of all time if his healthy and this Denver team stay together they gonna rule the NBA in years coming..go Joker
Just don't sign the likes of durant or other ring (status) chasers, they have something special.
Dirk also changed the game as a 7 ft ball handling shooting guard
Jokic isn't changing the game because no one can do what he does besides Giannis and Luka and they don't do it as well as he does it
Jokic is a better player but he needs more time to pass dirk.
@@IknowMoreThanYou you don’t know basketball, dirk was a 7footer shooting gaurd. He was the first 7footer with 3 point range, luka & the Greek don’t play like Jokic @ all smh casual
Kuzma catching strays. Love it 😂
Dirk has 30k points, 10+ seasons of 50+ wins, Jokic can be better if he wins more titles but put some respect on Dirk name man
Nah Jokic got 2 mvps and maybe the chip Dirk lost to an 8th seed as an mvp
Cartoon Rob from year 1983.
Better career goes to Dirk of course because Jokic has a long way to go. Better player with a more complete skill set?Jokic hands down.
No ones dis respecting dirk by saying jokic is the better player.
He’s already better than Dirk and that’s no disrespect to him
Dirk’s post season run is/was still more impressive. Swept Kobe’s 56 win Lakers with Pau who was an All Star, Odom who was 6th man of the year, Phil, Bynum etc then beat the Miami’s big 3 with LeBron, Wade n Bosh
Man that was messed up year for the Lakers, akin to this years Warriors squad as far as locker room issues. They just came off a repeat, and there was just so much garbage going on in the locker room and front office.
Im with you though, Dirk and Terry went through them and handled their business against Miami.
@@SojiRo23 yeah I remember Andrew bynum was complaining they wouldn't let him shoot 3s
That was 5 MVP's that DIrk disposed of.
Dirk had a great run for sure but he also has so many chokes and disappointments that holds him back people tend to forget before 2011 he was one of the biggest chokers of all time This is like Jokic 2nd real playoffs with championship expectations if u even count the bubble and he’s going to win his first championship and looks primed to lead this team into a potential dynasty
He also underachieved a lot in his career too
Seeing rob parker in a supreme hat is crazy 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Do you remember Dirk's run in the finals both times. The last time against Heat, he was unstoppable. Don't be prisoners of the moment
Dirk averaged 26 points, 9.7 rebounds, 2.0 assists on 41.6/36.8/97.8 shooting splits against Heat, with 20.8 field goal attempts per game.
Jokic averaged 30.2 points, 14.0 rebounds, 7.2 assists on 58.3/42.1/83.8 shooting splits in the Finals, with 19.2 field goal attempts per game.
I love Dirk as much as the next guy. He was the 1st option, the heart and the spirit of that Mavericks team. But come on now, Jokic is literally the system who is unparalleled in the C position in the history of this game.
Accomplishments don’t mean you’re better at basketball. It just means you’re more accomplished. We love to say it’s a team game until it’s time to compare individual players.
I'm comparing their skill sets and jokic is better and is going to have the same amount of rings and fmvps as dirk but another mvp in a week or 2
@@---kr3zg If you’re comparing their skillsets, rings and mvps don’t even need to come up. This is exactly what I’m saying.
Good segment, was a refreshing change of pace from whos the goat blah blah blah. Foreign players dont get enough love or air time from the media so this was very nice. I am an American by the way I just think its nice to give some people we don't talk about much some love.
Yes they do Giannis; Embiid; and Joker were talked about the whole year
Dirk has an MVP - same as Charles and Malone. Difference is, Dirk actually won the chip
Still gotta factor the difference in time of era. Dirk played in the kobe Duncan and KG era. The time where powers forward we’re at it’s all time peak…
Not only that. Think about the fact that a guy like Toni Kukoc never made a single All Star team in his NBA career (1996-2004).
You're trying to tell me that Toni Kukoc wouldn't absolutely excel in today's game, given that the game is so friendly now to the
European style of play? Dirk had to go up against Duncan/Parker/Ginobli, Kobe/Shaq, Kobe/Gasol, prime D Wade, LeBron/Wade/Bosh,
a young OKC Thunder, all while not having another All Star next to him for the vast majority of his NBA career. And he still accomplished
more than some of the guys who everyone keeps telling me are better than him. LeBron formed a superteam and still ended up 5/16 against
Tim Duncan in the playoffs. Dirk beat the Spurs trio in 2006 with Jet Terry as his second best player. Folks need to start putting some
respect on Dirk's name!
Dirk had a tougher competition way back in 2000's.
Who? Spurs and the Lakers, the lowly Detroit Pistons
@@yct23X Duncan, Kobe, KG, Shaq, Amare, Pau, Nash, D Wade, CP3, KD, TMac, Webber, Carmelo, LeBron, Iverson, Dwight etc… Dirk played against all those players in their prime, the 2000s-early 2010s is the most stacked Era
@redman27r Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, KG, and LeBron, maybe Durant, but Dirk was already out of his prime when KD was coming with Russ, the others are forgettable
@@yct23X D Wade is forgettable? Are you high?
@@yct23X in 2011, Dirk took out KD and Russ...swept 2time defending champs Kobe& Gasol...
I've been saying it for 3 years that Joker is clearly the best offensive player. His efficiency is unparalleled in NBA history. It feels like he's never going to miss and he has some of the best passing Ive ever seen. The dude is unbelievable.
This NBA is sped up. Everyone stats gonna look Godly in this NBA. Defense don't even exist in today NBA.
Casuals will look at the numbers and say that their scoring was on par, but you should all know that Dirk was miles above Jokić as a scorer... Dirk was a top 3 scorer for like 10 years
Broussard embarrassing himself with that PPG stat, not mentioning the different eras 😅
And how many assist and rebounds did he average ? durk was a notoriously bad rebounder for his size
jokic could score 35 every night if he wanted.. he could do every durk did but durk can't do every jokic can do
exactly, the last 5 years the nba avging 110-115 ppg. when dirk played it was 95-100 ppg
@@WittynotSilly if he could why he doesnt lad??? STOP MESSING AROUND ALREADY if he could be as effective as you re saying he would have done it but he doesnt BCZ HE CANT but you act like jokic is holding back... such an uneducated thing
The 2000's was the slowest paced era of all-time. They called it the "dead-ball" era. Slow paced, tough defenses, alot of physicality and iso ball. They had the least amount of possessions per game during that era. It was a slower paced era than that of the 90's even. Dirk averaging 26.5 in the 2000's against elite defenses is FAR more impressive than Jokic averaging 27 today. Use context Chris
Now talk rebounding a passing, Jokic can score less 10 less ppg and is one of the most impactful players in the game.
@@dallaslabar3821 Jokic is definitely a better rebounder and passer. He said Jokic is the best passing big man of all-time. Dirk is the best shooting big of all-time respectively. Dirk is the better scorer and shooter. Dirk is more clutch and he can go further with less
If that’s the case then we shouldn’t compare eras tbh. The league today is clearly more different.
@@jeremiahsmith7706 scoring is very debatable considering Jokic could go for 35+ at will but uses his passing skill. What’s he shooting from 3 this postseason, 48%?
@@dallaslabar3821 scoring isn't a debate considering Dirk is 6th all-time on the scoring list
Prime example of why you need to separate more skilled vs better resume!
Jokic, team, coaches, and Nuggets organization are unstoppable.
Dirk was able to beat his rivals and get that chip during that impressive run. Barkley and Malone weren't able to beat the guy that was keeping them from winning
Tbh, I think that says more about MJ than it does about Barkley and Malone, especially Barkley. His run in 1993 was damn impressive, and if MJ had a meltdown like LeBron did, Barkley most certainly would have won. Like, imagine MJ getting outplayed by Dan Majerle, that's basically what happened with LeBron getting outplayed by Jason Terry 🤣
and that guy was the GOAT. Mj avged 41 ppg in finals to beat barkley. MJ aint losing to dirk
We live in an age where people are often quick to anoint someone a great before their time.
In this instance, it’s well deserved, this man along with maybe Giannis have a legit shot at cracking that top 15 and dare I say 10. Provided things go their way.
Tbh I’d take both of them ahead of KD already, a man many have inside that top 15.
2 MVPs and if he wins a ring, he will have done so on a team with great support but WITHOUT a bonafide superstar alongside him.
He’s a tier below that top 12 where they’re all perennial champions. But 2 MVPs that rightfully should be three and a ring, that’s a VERY impressive resume in such a deep era.
Such a deep Era 😂 what bigs are he competing with like c'mon the only guy who gives him problems at his position plays in the East I want to see more bigs Bam and Ayton aren't great players of course he's going to give them work he's playing against power forwards who just happen to play center id like to see him in the early 2000's he's great but I need to some competition for him at his position
@@jasonbilly5247 nuggets are winning without a rim protector! Have you ever seen that in the history of the NBA???
@@elmehdinafia1237 There shooting 3's there ain't nobody driving to the basket anymore he'd be getting into all type of foul trouble and getting posterized these dudes ain't built like that anymore hence why the foreigners are whooping they asses now
You had me until deep era lol
Great points! But I don't see this as putting him up there all time/career. Just that he's a better basketball player right now. He has a long way to go for a career comparison..
When will analysts stop comparing scoring averages to prior eras. Pace of play is faster and there's little defense.
Jokic is just the more well rounded basketball player.
He just doesn't have the mileage or hard stats to compare him to all time dirk
Style of play is also different. Dirk wasn't passing to shooters. He was passing out to mostly slashers his whole career. When Jokic passes he has 3 to 4 guys on the perimeter looking to shoot. That's going to increase assist numbers at the end of the night. Compared to passing to slashers, putting the ball on the floor to get to the basket for 2. Now that assist opportunity has gone away regardless of a make or miss. Today's style of play is affecting assist numbers making them higher across the league compared to the past.
Chris “Prisoner of the Moment” Broussard
People forget how good Dirk was in the 2000s…
For real
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Dwayne Wade
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnet
Steve Nash
Kevin Durant
Russell Westbrook
James Harden
Karl Malone
John Stockton
That's 11 hall of famers and all-time greats that Dirk has defeated in a playoff SERIES. And almost all of those players were either young or in there prime when it happened. That's pretty astounding actually. I understand the argument of Joker being better if wins a title, but Dirk may actually be UNDERRATED historically.
Calling Dirk Nowitzki overrated is crazy
Chris our problem is that you called Dirk Nowitzki “Overrated”, it wasn’t because you said you think Jokic better.
I dont see the big deal, I watched dirk throughout his career. He was always considers a great player, but never considered best in the league like Jokic
hard to say. Dirk never had the opportunity to have a duo of the same caliber as jamal murray.
kinda weird tho, it feels like the most successful formula to get a championship is having a premium bigman partnered with a premium guard/sg -- has always lead to a championship. (shaq & kobe, Wilt & West, Havlicek & Russell, etc)
What about Karl Malone and John Stockton though? I think the formula is about maximizing what you have. Compensating weaknesses with great complementary players. I think that's what was going on in Golden State when they were successful
Chris really just said Dirk not better than Karl Malone or Charles Barkley. Dude really doesn’t know ball
He wasn't. Definitely not close to Malone. Malones game was flawless. He just ran into a super rich mans Kobe Bryant. Barkley was better too. Outside of 3pt shooting - not sure Dirk did anything better.
Lol I'm not surprised. They did this with Kobe Bryant when Kawhi won in Toronto.
Unlike Kawhi Jokic is breaking wilt number and never gets hurt..
Game for game - when healthy Kawhi was better than Kobe. Better on offense and defense. Just doesn't have the resume.
@@erikpuka2627 that's why Lebron and Jordan are the goats cuz durability is a big big factor in the all-time players rankings..Kawhi is not in my top 40 players just cuz he's not durable and had only 1 deep run in the playoffs as the main guy..
@@elmehdinafia1237 Lebron is nowhere close to being thr GOAT LMFAO
@@erikpuka2627 no he wasn’t
Yeah it’s very easier to score being they have those magnetic ball and rims plus it also determines the outcome of game and give player in now a day games better stats in this era
I’m not ranking him higher than Dirk right now. But sure, I’d call Jokic the better player.
Agree Dirks championship was something I won't forget even if the joker wins this year I'm sorry but this year's championship ain't better then that one but nikola is a better all around player he is a bad man right now but dirk would smoke charles and Karl and kevin no problem
I think Chris is under-rating Dirk's career. It wasn't just the 2011 championship against Miami. It was also the road to the championship. Remember he beat Kobe/KD/LeBron/Dwade in the playoffs. There is something to be said for that. And Dirk did made the finals twice where Barkley only got to the finals once. And Dirk has the longevity too
Dirk is by far ahead of Nicola
@@josephstewart2827no he isn’t
Chris said he thinks Dirk is overrated so nah just think y’all have two different views on Dirk
@@cheerioss-9121 I understand but Chris is only looking at 2011 finals and not looking at the whole thing. Like I said before Dirk beat Lebron/Dwade/KD/Kobe in the road to his championship. And he did made the finals twice in his career.
@@2knelly363Not even to discuss that Dirk had never won anything for Germany ,while Jokic at 20 was already in Olympic finals with Serbia ,he is already half of famer ,he is 2x MVP ,finals MVP and NBA champion and he is 28 ,Dirk was not .Joker already accompished so much more than Dirk and he is in his prime .
Dirk run is very underrated
backlash should be from Chris saying Dirk is overrated when i think he's underrated
19 years in the nba and people only talk about 2011.
He's slightly overrated. I would take Tim Duncan over dirk in a heartbeat. I'll probably take even KG over dirk
Wish you guys streamed this show live on TH-cam
I think I would put Jokic over Dirk too but I’m not taking Broussard’s take on it seriously. He seems to drop Dirk lower due to other people’s praise. He doesn’t appreciate Dirk in general. He doesn’t even give Dirk credit for that 2011 ring and attribute it more to LeBron choking as if Dirk’s entire run through that playoff wasn’t an all time historic run. They didn’t just beat the big 3 Heat, they SWEPT the defending champion Lakers and gentlemen swept the Thunder who were 1 year away from making the finals. Not to mention he went to another finals in 2006 which many ppl believe they got screwed over and won an MVP. And to add on he has a signature shot like Kareem
He was great in 2011. But yall seriously downplaying DPOY Tyson Chandler, HOF Jason Kidd at PG. And the Kingslayer himself, Jason Terry.
@@manz7860 nobody downplay them tbh its just that dirk was the one man standing out and if im being honest HE gets downplayed bcz he made so many fanboys angry they will always have an urge to talk trash about him or downplay him one way or the other
Totally agree 👍
He's already better. He just doesn't have Dirk's resume yet.
Jokic needs another after this one. Dirk’s ring > Jokic’s by far.
I think Kyle's POV was "why is dirk catching strays? That's bad for the sport"
Y’all taken a man’s 20 year for granted let these new players earn it
Jokic is in his 8th season.
Dirk won the title in his 13th.
Dirk got a big legacy boost because of the 2011 playoff run but it's overrated by many people . Not because he wasn't great but some called it the greatest postseason run or top 5. People think if you don't have an allstar teammate or another guy on the team who averages 20-25ppg then the star is winning by themselves. It's like Jimmy this postseason, he had a couple amazing games 4&5 vs the Bucks 56pts and 42pts then the narrative started he was carrying them even though he was good not amazing in the 2nd round and conference Finals.
Jokic gets alot of help but alot of that is because of how he passes and frees up space for teammates when he screens or draws attention.
Jokic is a greater player than Dirk ever was but Dirk was around 21 seasons to accumulate more accolades and numbers.
I hate this prisoner of moment era we’re in . Dirk beat a Super team not Jokic
It's always difficult to rank players who are still active against players whose careers are over.
I think if Jokic keeps playing the way he's been playing so far and wins this title. He's probably a top 20 player all time.
Besides all the stats, I think Jokic' basketball IQ is just too high for Dirk to match.
What do you mean top 20??? If he wins 2 titles and maybe 1 more MVP he is top 10 all time for sure, but he doesn't even need one more MVP trophy as most top 10 players don't have more than two MVP trophies. Age 28 he already holds most of center position records and a bunch of NBA records, breaking every week historic NBA records set by Wilt 50 years ago. By the time his career is over he will set records that won't be broken for another 50 years like Wilt did!
@@joemilo2710 I'd say he needs to win 3 titles total to be undisputedly top 10 all-time, but yeah, he doesn't need 1 more MVP. I think 3 titles would firmly place him alongside Larry Bird.
@@back2back379 Well, all those players apart from Hakeem (who is not top 10) won titles with not just multiple All-Stars and All-NBA teammates, but with multiple HOFers on their team, so Jokic's 1 or 2 titles have a much bigger impact as the guy never even had 1 All-Star or All-NBA teammate player. Even though Murray is All-Star caliber player in playoffs, he is 18-20 ppg player in regular season which is 3rd option player numbers and he never plays full season due to injuries, meaning Jokic has been carrying that Nuggets team to playoffs every single season by himself. That's an incredible achievemt. larry Bird had nothing but multiple All-Stars, All-NBA and HOFers on his team all career long, there is no way Bird or any other superstar would carry an average team of role players even to playoffs, let alone deep in playoffs and let alone every season in superteam era. Jordan did it with an average team, reached only one Conference Finals, before getting a superteam and HOF coach
@@joemilo2710 hmm, not too sure about that, Bird did carry a 29 win team to be a 61 win team as a rookie, so there’s really no telling what he’d do with a cast of great teammates who are all borderline all stars. Also, if Jokic wins multiple chips with his cast, several of those guys will be HOFers too.
@@back2back379 You must be joking??? Which guys on Nuggets team will be HOFers??? Murray who never made and All-Star team will be HOFer because of what exactly? Winning a title or two as a number 2 with absolutely no NBA individual accolades will most definitely not get you into HOF house. Larry Bird rookie season was the season Celtics made a team reconstructure, they even brought in Pete Maravich who after injuries was still a nice talent piece to come off the bench. It's the season he had a bunch of HOF talent players. Tiny Archibald. Cedric Maxwell, Pete Maravich, Dave Cowens... Are you saying those HOF veterans and next season's finals MVP Cedric Maxwell are on the level of Will Barton, Monte Morris, Campazzo, Murray, Porter Jr, Jeff Green and Gordon??? I mean come on, get real. And next season Celtics already added Bird's HOF co-stars McHale, Parish, and next season they added Danny Ainge and then the list of All-Stars and HOFers goes on and on, Dennis Johnson, Bill Walton, Reggie Lewis, Jim Paxson,... that Celtics team that Bird was on had nothing, but HOFers and All-Stars and All-NBA players!
Could Jokic beat the heat in 2011 finals like Dirk did?
he wouldnt get past lakers and if he SOMEHOW did it wouldnt be a 4-0 massacre nearly solo offensive carry in the first 3 games
do i need to also mention the sheer fact that he was robbed from the 2006 finals against miami? AND robbed from mvp? 6th all time scorer in a significantly tougher era! jokic is DEFINITELY one of my favorites EVER but he isnt on dirk's level yet, he might surpass him though who knows but for now he falls under the line
he says he's not taking anything away from Dirk then makes an excuse for how he won a championship, then rips apart his game, but yeah he's not taking anything away from him...lol
What?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is why I cannot stand the media. Jesus Christ, I am a Dallas Maverick fan and I love me some Dirk nowitzki he is probably my favorite player of all time the disrespect they just showed by even bringing up his name. They are so obsessed about who's better than who it is complete and other b*******
Rob Parker with the durag under the cap for the win 🙌🏾
On the subject of stats in today's game you have to look at them carefully. There is way more catch and shoot basketball being played now than in the past. Which means assist numbers across the board are going to be and have increased in the league over the pass 20yrs. Guys in the past NBA and Dirk's era were more slashers. So when a center or forward passed back out to the perimeter the slasher was still trying to get to the basket in most cases. Which would take away an assist. Opposed to a pass from inside in today's era ending in a immediate shot from a catch and shoot player. Dirk was considered an extremely good passer but like I said. He was passing to guys that were making extra moves to get to the basket for 2. Not just shooters. Inevitably assist totals are going to be high in today's game bcoz of playing style. Players are no more efficient at scoring than they were in the past. It's just the way they score is different.
Huge Dirk and Mavericks fan but Jokić would have the more impressive resume at that point.
Longevity matters! Dirk played against a PF gauntlet for the better part of 20 years.
Another huge thing dirk have in his favor if his is primarily the first big man to consistently attempt threes. He changed the game for big man, much like jokic changed the game for big man as well average almost 10 assist. Dirk changed the game with the 3
I've noticed Chris lately has been disrespecting Giannis (32 19 9 ON AN INJURED BACK Giannis)
Disrespecting Hakeem
And generally been on that BS
This Dirk talk let's me know he's going from analyst to trash take guy
Dirk is a 7 ft 1 guard who gave Tim Duncan and KG NIGHTMARES
He didn’t disrespect anyone 👍
@@hakukabani3788 🤡🤡🤡
You forgot to mention that same year Dirk beat Kobe, Pau, Phil. He beat Durant, Russ, Harden. Everyone focuses on beating Lebron, but Dirk beat other greats who some want to claim was better than Lebron.
Lebron choked. That was the issue. Heat win that finals if they had Gordon Heyward instead of Lebron. Heat were a legendary mythically stacked superteam. Wade and Bosh were amazing. So were the role players. Lebron was 100% the reason the Heat lost in Those other series you mentiones - other teams didn't come close to being as good as the Heat were and no player choked as Bad. Its like if the KD led Warriors had lost to some team with only 1 all star and if Steph and Klay were amazing but KD was essentially a role player and played 0 defense. Thats what it was. Wade outscored Dirk Nowitzki
@@erikpuka2627 "Heat win that finals if they had Gordon Heyward instead of Lebron."
No offense, but after reading this bullshit, whatever you said after that was dismissed. Have a good 1.
Chris been talking that TALK lately 😤😤😤💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Why comparing Dirk, they refused to say Joker is better than Magic, Kobe, Shaq.
That’s one BIG IF 😂Dirk didn’t have Jamal Murray and a team full of wings that can shoot.
Dirk wasn't as well rounded as jokic.
People are seriously downplaying Jason Terry and Tyson Chandler when they give all the credit to Dirk.
@@manz7860 the team make ups were definitely different, Dirks job was to score. If he had the shooters to pass to Denver has he would have averaged 10 assist too
@@adamtait2696 dirk was never a strong passer lmao. Now you're just rewriting history and speculating.
@@manz7860 He was an excellent passer. Nowhere near as good a passer as Jokic though. That Mavs squad 10-11 was probably the best team I have seen since MJs Bulls.
@@manz7860 this video is speculation and all these comments are opinions 😂 I am not rewriting anything
2;45 😂😂😂😂 just dismissing Kuzma like that
Anyone know what the beef is between kuzma and Chris?
Chris takes been terrible 😂😂😂😂😂
I have to problem putting Joker ahead of Dirk if Joker wins this title and most likely he will. But putting Charles Barkley and KG ahead of Dirk is ridiculous. Without 2011 championship run, we could debate who should be ranked higher. After 2011 title, there is not debate between Dirk and Barkely/KG.
Dirk played against Shaq, Yao Ming, KG, Tim D, Rasheed Wallace, Jermaine O'neil, Chris Webber, prime Dwight Howard, Chris Bosh, Alonzo Mourning, the Gasol brothers, prime tyson Chandler, Prime DeAndre Jordan, Ben Wallace, Hakeem Olajuwon, Mutombo, Shawn bradley, David Robinson, young Brook lopez, Patrick Ewing, Amar'e Stoudemire, Kenyon Martin, Marcus Camby, Vlade Divac, the rain man Kemp. Elton Brand,
Where is jokic competition.
Most all of these guys are in the top 20 blocks of all time.
He's already a better player, but has to do more to be better regarding historical placement.
Chris Broussard --you are totally right about this. Jokic already better than Dirk, Barkley, KG and moving into top 20 ish range. The top 75 snub seems ridiculous now.
yep, better resume than AD
Disks chip run was outstanding tho . He went absolutely crazy against my okc then repeated against the heat . Jokic might be better maybe but we need way more time to see what jokic gon do . LeBron melted down cuz of dirk bruh
Dirk did one thing by your logic. Jokic has MVPs and is about to win the Finals
Nah Lebron melted cuz the lights were too bright for him and shrunk under the pressure..he got outplayed by freaking Jason terry for crying out loud..
Lebron didnt melt against Jokic but instead had his best playoff game of his career and still lost.
Bith bog men are HOF though. Excited to see what comes from Jokic's career
@WhiteNegative he also played during the Lakers and spurs Era..they both had 5 chips each . Jokic playing broken teams and a final against Jimmy butler . N is till didn't say dirk was better . It's jus reality. Jokic has mvps. His competition was embiid. A 7 footer that plays like he's 6'5
Yall really forgot about Jason Jet Terry huh. Smh
It took D-Wade having a Jordanesque Finals to beat Dirk in ‘06. But folks need to pump thr breaks on Joker. Dirk did it way longer and who’s to say Joker’s body is going to hold up to be great as long as Dirk. Broussard is using analytics to justify his opinion but will defend a lot guys in the 80’s who didn’t have insane stats.
13:56 The people do give that champion alot of weight what the Dallas did was incredible. Both teams had great run that year Dallas had to beat three great western teams to get to the final and need to beat that Heat team to win the chip. I don't know why they downplay that Lebron 2011 Heat team the same team that had beat three great eastern teams. I'll never forget those playoffs teams.
eye test tells me Jokic is better than Dirk ever was. Jokic is literally just 7 ft Larry Bird. he could finish top 10 all-time if he wins a couple titles and a couple more MVPs.
Weak take from Chris. Dirk was a lone superstar during his run while Jokic has the best point guard in the playoffs right now.
Jokic can do more than dirk but respect dirk’s era too. If dirk had jamal murray he probably would’ve had one more ring. Plus now it seems like everyone can put up 20 pts in todays game
Multiple rings > 1 ring But 0 rings > 1 ring . Not sure about that logic …
He's literally one of the best five power tf
Again. Dirk is the 6th leading all time scorer in addition to his accolades. Not sure how you range Barkley ahead of him
Yeah Charles Barkley had terrible intangibles.
😂yeeaaaa yo that went ova erybody head! Niggas like chuck & Malone mightve had more well-rounded games than Dirk & if u argued they're better players in a vacuum I wouldn't hate on it but dirk has decades of international accolades in addition to his nba 1s & led maybe the most improbable championship run we've seen in 21st century so his career tops theirs. This a bad take bcuz it's an impatient 1, let mans career unfold sheesh. He could wind up being top 2 or 3 centers EVER but u comparing him to dirk in 2023 😂 jus do better Broussard!
Dirk beat the Kobe and Pau Lakers then beat the Heat when LeBron, Wade and Bosh were ALL in their prime!
Don't leave out Westbrook harden durant okc dirk beat that year too
I guess this is the first time I agree with everything that Chris said.
The all time resume comparison can get in the bin. I love dirk but this isn’t close. Joker in this playoffs has been obscene, an all time great
Nahhh bruh Dirk litwrally changed the game and paved the way for played like Jokic. there is no Jokic without Dirk
Jokic is a better overall player already and may very well surpass Dirk by alot, but no star run to a championship has ever been better than Dirk's (probably never will be either). It was amazing that he accomplished that.
Wade maybe
People don’t watch the game and spout off. Jokic is clearly better it ain’t even close. Jokic is going to be entering the conversation soon as one of the best ever. One more title next year and no question he in that conversation.
Broussard doesn’t remember how fast and athletic Dirk was in his prime. He and jokic are completely different styles
Let the dude finish his career and then see if he was better than Dirk, and just to remember the player Dirk he had to face just in the west Shaq, Duncan, Webber, Garnet just to mention a few big men.
Dirk is probably top 25. Only 1 ring but was super clutch in that whole series.... jokic is better but dirk was GOLD
He led his team to a championship as the leader of the team. And against whom most people call the goat and a former champion and Dwyane Wade it had to be Kobe Bryant's Lakers who will win the championship next year to get they're stop it
*SOME people* not most
All I'm gonna say is there's no Jokic, Doncic and other international superstars right now without Dirk. They will just be another Toni Kukoc coming off the bench. Not to mention big men being allowed of shooting threes with regularity.
Dirk opened the doors for all these international players that they can be the MAIN GUY of the team so yeah, they may be better, but you're welcome.
12:07 Also, I consider Dirk's one ring as "Multiple rings". Brandon Roy, Aldridge, KD, Russ, Harden, Kobe, Pau, Wade, Bosh, Lebron.
I would say Joker is on pace to pass Dirk but he needs a couple more year at this level. I do anticipate Joker being in the top 20 all time
Why we comparing? We might as well do another LeBron vs Jordan.
Dirk is the greatest shooting big man of all time, Dirk won an MVP while playing against Kobe and Tim Duncan in the west, He beat an all time great Miami team, I’m a jokic fan and I can confidently say he wouldn’t have done that
Greatest "shooting" big man...
So you're saying THERE'S MORE TO THE GAME THAN SCORING???
Embiid been the leading scorer 2 straight years...
He would have if he had Jason Kidd, Hawn Marion, Tyson Chandler and Jason Terry on his team
@@robreeto those are all good role players equivalent to what Jamal Murray,AG, and Kentavious are today
@@darrengordon-hill He opened the door for a big to even be able to shoot because before that it was predominantly back to the basket bigs whether they played the 4 or 5, so YES greatest shooting big man and 6th ALL TIME in scoring
With Jason Kidd being a second to a star just like jamal Murray
And ya say rob is the one with ridiculous takes Chris is more crazy then rob if u ask me
I seen both players play. Only thing Dirk was "better at" was his offensive style/ technical midrange ability for shot making. Other than that Jokic does everything better and what separates him is his passing.
Dirk also didn't play with the players Jokic is playing with. Give Dirk this team in his prime and he's winning multiple rings.
They lied to preserve the history of the NBA but they want to disrespect dirk Karl Malone cannot do with Dirk did at the height of his powers they were comparing him to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar because his little shot was seemingly unguardable
Facts when its all said and done Joker is the one.
Chris loves the attention and shock value, no surprise.
if we are basing Dirk vs Jokic on championship merit, its definitely dirk. Jokic beating this miami team doesnt compare to the miami team Dirk faced in 2011 and ill even through in 06 miami even though he lost.
Really enjoy watching jokic he plays diffrently every game.i compared him to Patrick mahomes no deffnese that can full stop him he sees it before the play he can flat out dominte with out scoreing it's gonna be long series for the heat gg to them for doubting me and every one else
I value Jokics game in the paint/mid range and passing/rebounding more than Dirks 3 point shooting
Dirk's bread and butter was isolation midrange scoring; old school. HIs 3pt shot was just a cherry on top. Dirk is up there with the greatest in terms of midrange efficiency at large volume.
Jokic is Sabonis 2.0, with flashes of Dirk and Magic Johnson. It's insane. Dirk is tied with MJ as my all time faves, but this Jokic is better. Greater? Not yet.
@@VVVY777thats the best way to explain it. 💯 💯
Marv Leevy won in the CFL two grey cups with Montreal!
Agreed