Self-Enquiry is Always the Same Practice
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- In this video, a man expresses his interest in self-enquiry and having recently read a book by Ramana Maharshi they were curious about whether his method of self-enquiry is still valid and if it differs from the approach of the person being spoken to. Rupert explains his thoughts on self-enquiry.
From the seven day retreat at Buckland Hall, winter 2017. For access to the full-length recording see link here: non-duality.rupertspira.com/w...
Timestamps:
00:00 What is self-enquiry and how can I take it further?
01:57 Are there any differences in self-enquiry and teaching?
03:25 The meaning of self-enquiry or self-investigation
06:00 What ‘the self’ means to most people
08:11 The same ‘I’ and ‘who am I’
10:15 Investigations into the essence of ourselves
11:49 How we can understand the separate self
12:30 The perfect analogy for the separate self
17:05 The process of self-enquiry
18:45 What is the essential cause of our suffering?
19:48 Our desire for happiness are not in the objective experience
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The mind always wants to know more. Seeking isn't finding. The seeker needs to realize that what is being sought, is the essence of the seeker. Stop thinking. Stop looking for more reasons to stop thinking. Stop wondering what will be the benefit of not thinking. Realize that all your seeking and questions will be answered when stillness enters and questions stop. Much peace fellow wanderers.
Thank you for your wise words! After months of reading numerous books on self-realization etc. I came to realize that I replaced my "regular seeking" with "spiritual seeking" which has been accompanied by constant mental chatter about how to reach higher states of peace, happiness and ,joy thereby making me miserable and feeling a strong sense of lack once again. Through Rupert's teachings I came to realize that this seeking and the resistance to what is, is actually the root of all problem. Your words sum it up really well :) Lots of love and peace
@Guru Amirite Exactly :)
“BE STILL AND KNOW THAT I AM “ We take unusually longtime to understand simple statements of TRUTH!!!
my question should i self inquiry during meditation or focus on breathing ? are they same things but different approaches to find one's self who's experiencing everything: thoughts, feelings ect
teoritically and intellectually I think I understand but in order to experience real "I" is not same.
like OSHO said u can read and hear stories about LOVE but unless u will not experience u will never understand
The very procces of finding material ,step by step helped me aproach closer to self😁
Thanks Rupert. I don't want to feed your ego, but you have an unusual ability to explain the simple, very simply.
It's not him having an ability, it's you recognizing what is being said (it's already known by you, ergo it seems to be explained "very simply") ;-) even though there is neither him nor you, therefore, no ego can be fed by anyone. All THIS is appearing to ItSelf, by ItSelf, for ItSelf, as ItSelf. :-)
@@rt.973 🙂 the ego bit was intended to be tongue in cheek
@@RobJenkinsDubTechno Tongue in Cheek ? Sorry, I'm french, don't know the expression :-D
@@rt.973 tongue in cheek kind of means a bit of a joke (just the bit about feeding Rupert's ego)
@@RobJenkinsDubTechno Oh!😂. Okay, good to know 🤓
This is precisely one of the things I'd been attempting to fathom just recently, so immensely grateful to stumble across this. Thank you Rupert. So eloquent. Love the analogy. Clarity.
I have always been open to this understanding. AT 9 yrs old the priest at our school asked me where we go when we die. I said "To the same place I was before I was born." Apparently that was the wrong answer. They called my mom and she said "I don't know where he got that". I always knew it. Is that weird?
Gotta give props to Rupert Spira for immense patience...he sat through a 2 minute question without any visible signs of inner turmoil.
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Knowing oneself absolutely, one doesn't know time, is all times, all places and takes up no space. You'd be patient too, weather in satang, being speaker or listener self is ever beyond both.
@@seangrieves4359 "Knowing oneself absolutely"
And what is your definition of absolute self knowing?
How does one determine one has achieved this?
How does one tell the difference between actually experieincing this and only believing one has?
@@Older_Mountain-goat_1984 When these questions don't arise anymore because they found their answer in That in which they appear.
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Are questions conscious beings that seek answers?
What is this "That" thing that you speak of? (I assume it's a distinct entity due to the capitolisation)
What form do these answers manifest themselves as in this 'That' thing?
What is my location and potential relation to this 'That' thing?
I still await a response from the person my original questions were directed to.
Ruperts words lead you back to clarity only as one who has strayed could. Clear signs on the path. Thankyou.
Thank you for the guidance towards the truth, Rupert. Your message is clear and honest 🙏
Does anyone else have this thing where when
They practice self inquiry or have w non dual recognition of their true nature that it almost feels too good to be true? And then the mind comes in and says no no this can’t be it this is too amazing and too wonderful, there has to be some sort of problem to sort out. Like sometimes I actually voluntarily step into the world of illusion because I find that the beauty of the seeing the non dual understanding and the true underlying reality of this world can be almost too overwhelming sometimes. May be just me!
Well, we might no longer live in a world which allows room for you to be continuously blissed out. We built up a system we are now all amid stuck maintaining.
Imagine an ant, a drone ant, catching his reflection and becoming self aware… the horror of the comprehension.
I maintain we have a rather nice bed relatively speaking
This is the same thing that happens to me Exactly it's as if a certain aspect of the mind wants you to believe it's False, it is so strange and profound, it's as if your mind is afraid of losing control of it's subject, almost like some kind of possession I am still in disbaleif but everything has changed and I feel So Blessed, it is truly a panacea for perceived suffering
I am so Happy for the first time Ever!
Yes, that happens to me too. It seems to easy. The mind would come in and keep wondering If I am doing this right, if this is the same as Zen practice, if nisargadatta and Ramana had the same teaching, if there is anything else to understand or whatever concept comes up. Coming back to asking: To whom are these thoughts arising? Shines with such beautiful clarity upon all this =)
Just recently getting introduced to Raman Maharshi's teachings and find Rupert's talks very helpful in understanding it in simple terms. Thank you.
Thank you for aiding my liberation from suffering and living with peace and happiness
It's like a cosmic joke. Such beautiful words are being spoken and all that is on my mind are the people that seem to be coughing as loud as they can in the background.
🤓 that's why they are constantly draining the public coughers ! 🗣👤👥👥👤
When the absurdity of 'looking for oneself' hits you you cannot help but laugh. The cosmic joke is on us. 😅
Simply said, thank you Rupert!
thank you for this clearly pointed teaching !
So simple , so beautiful I would say a massive THANKYOU if it wasn’t for beautiful beings like yourself I would still be suffering this idea I believed I was thankyou
Exactly the same for me:)
I am grateful for this gift of abundant clarification, the best reflection i can recall ever receiving! Thank you✌💖⚘🌹🎶
He's just very, very good :)
Thank you for this 🙏🏼
Self Inquiry leads me to not watching what is being perceived but going beyond and focusing on how the perception is actually happening. There's some fascinating stuff in there at the basis of mystic practices too. Now I ended up in a tradition called Drukama.
Superb and simple told! No further comment are needed here!
Great title - it’s always the same practice each creation of going back to the Source, although a different unique style of “finding” each time - such a profound metaphysical idea
excellent video.
20.46. "i don't know.." a very honest answer.
maybe what makes some people open to the understanding of their true nature and others not, is simply a different programming of their respective body-mind construction.
That's exactly it. He had put it in words so well (the questioner!). That is the gist of the human predicament.. PEOPLE DON'T REALLY RELATE PERSONHOOD WITH SUFFERING!!
This was the video that fully unveiled the mystery to me. One
Thank you Rupert.
Thanks Rupert.
Very true different ways of self inquiry put in different words and sounds. OM , Mandukya, waking, sleeping, dreaming. Janaka story etc etc etc and still so few people get it.
Never read King Lir but finally understand what self inquiry is by this video
What a intelligent man
I like a man that thinks before he speaks. Now if we only had a man running the country that could do the same.
Thank you.
Excellent.....thanks.
Thank you
This video helped me to realize our true nature
Don’t delude yourself, it’s highly unlikely that you realized your true nature.
Thank you 🌼
Excellent. Cheers
Enlightenment is the realization that we all walk around visually absent to ourselves and interact with one another as if this is not the reality. Enlightenment is the recognition that we are one lived reality right now. All other talk is about feelings and emotions.
LOVE IT
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Brilliant
Merci 🙏💜 Par La Grâce Om Shanti Shanti Shanti 💜 Sat-Chit-Ananda 😀👏👏👏
Great answer @18:40🙏
For some suffering is not a problem so much...a badge of being alive and caring....
The illusion of the self never leaves, its always there. Its not like a thought that comes and goes. Even when we dream we dream as our illusionary selves. How can something we consider finite be present so permanently.
Finite and permanence are two different things
The I disappear as you go deeper into yourself exploring the I in whose place only pure awareness will shine forth.
I is just a hostage that pure consciousness holds itself as in order to distance itself from itself.
11:30 analogy John Smith kind lea
There is no different way of a direct straight path!
Where is the image of my face?
love
What about suffering that comes from physical chronic pain, numbness or general disability of the nervous system? Can this be transcended into peace also? Seems hard to imagine with ego transcendence. Does physical pain suffering stay after enlightenment?
I feel it's easier to ask from the angle of , "Who IS I?"
I have a question. You say the happiness and peace lies in the knowing of your own being.
At this moment, I've watched lots of videos about Gary Weber, he says he has no (self-referential) thoughts anymore, he could shut down his (over)thinking. He did that with self-inquiry too and he advocates that you have to let go every attachment you have, then you're able to be in the present moment, in the sweet stillness.
How does that comply with you Rupert? Do you agree with the teaching of Gary (thoughts = cause suffering, no thoughts = the cure) or not? Or is it just another approach?
Because I realize I am worried about the approach of Gary, it could lead to a negative nihilistic world view. (But maybe it is just my ego that wants to hold and protects itself, and stop me of going further.)
Thanks in advance to your respond. Best.
A spiritual teaching that advices one to practice being without thoughts in order to awaken, projects recognizing one's true nature in the future. It basically says you can't recognize it until you got rid of your thoughts. It is not wrong but it is the long way home.
The direct path says you can recognize your true nature here and now, unconditionally. What it takes is to stop overlooking the obvious. Because of our conditioning this videoseems very difficult, with the emphasis on seems...
Does king Lear has to get rid of all his thoughts before he can realize that he is really John Smith?
@@wilma8326 🕊 checkout Samaneri Jayasara channel on TH-cam . Many examples of Ramana Maharshi method done extremely well . Many others treasures as well.
"My own
Mitosis
Growing through
Delusion from mania"
So then there is also one, identical answer to the two questions, "Who am I" and "Who are you," right?
Also, you are not my thoughts. I am not your feelings. There is no we!
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7:25 I don't know why you think the "I" is the same when awake, dreaming and sleeping. I have no "I" when dreaming, things just happen directly. And I have no recollection of deep sleep at all, I don't believe anyone does so how can anyone claim to know what occurs in deep sleep?
And I don't think the "I" has always been there. It wasn't there when I was a baby, or if it was then I have no memory of it, but considering I didn't have language yet, it's safe to say that I wasn't having "I" thoughts as a baby. And there have been many times as an adult when it isn't there (e.g. in a flow state).
I am curious and I am sure many others are too.
The core philosophy of Advaita Vedanta is experiencing Brahman. Most likely through self-enquiry by direct method. Not sure how long the other method "devotion" works or not. The late Ramana Maharishi was a big proponent of self-enquiry and so is the Ramakrishna Order, the four Adi Shankaracharya maths etc. How many people have experienced Brahman via direct method? How long is the average training of self-enquiry to experience Brahman take? These are fundamental questions. I hope the experts here can answer it. Perhaps the experts can find out and reply here? I posed the same question to the Ramana Maharishi ashram folks but did not hear back.
Hello. I did the just one look method which is the essence of self inquiry but without any question. Just look directly at yourself with your minds eye whenever it occurs for you to do so. Look at what it feels like to be you. It has taken a little over 10 years and now I’m happier than I can tell and the distance between me and life is gone.
I have stumbled upon Mooji a few months ago .. since then i spent every free hour watching en reading about advaita vedanta. From several teachers. At this moment i listen to rupert spira. Its been only 3 months or so but i did have some true moments of really clear "seeing" or "understanding"...
I think the obvious answer is it depends on the individual. I don’t think anyone can tell you a time frame also because time doesn’t exist. I’d say do the practice and let go of the result. The teaching is about being fully present without expectations because those expectations will probably hold you back as they’re based on attachment.
Great talk. “I” am confused as to how one can divorce feeling from being. It seems that there is always a feeling of emotion which is constantly changing. Could “I” say that the essential I is this constant fluctuation of feeling which is always present
Lucas Murphy No.
It's what is always observing the fluctuating feelings Lucas. Here's a good video explaining it better than I can. It's Swami Sarvapriyananda.
th-cam.com/video/CMgNtMHJOOQ/w-d-xo.html
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How to go into the process
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What did he just say at about 12:45 or so in the video?
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The flowers in the vase resemble Rupert Spira 🤗
Are you saying we are the Essential Self as well as this so-called human self?
the *apparent* "human self" appears (when we wake in the morning) and disappears (when we drift off to sleep at night) within our only true Essential Self.
thank you very helpful, what is that he mentions after drugs at 19:58.?
It's nirvikalpa samadhi
@@skippingheartbeat that was quick ,thanks so much :)
@@tedfaris why are you telling me this based on what I asked?
Got lost in the King Lear analogy.
Yes but who is John smith ?
Sameness Awareness Always
Yo think that the the “Self Inquire” as proposed by Ramana Maharshi is out dated is the same as to think that the teaching of Jesus in the “Sermon on the mount” do not apply to the present world situation. These 10:36 teachings are beyond time and space. They are what some people name as “perennial philosophy”
Is everyone else “John Smith” in essence?
So complicated
People don't really want to lose the me. It was saidly (!!!) said to them. People want to lose their pain. This first has to be recognized. For that the binding to the me must be cut. The identification with the stories.
Or like Jesus said it:
Forgive everyone and you are forgiven!
Throw you sorrow on me..
worrying is sin..
there is no trust in god..
god wants us to have trust..
to believe..
and so on.
If you do all those steps Jesus said in the bible you will be in the spirit and not anymore in the flesh (means ego, means body).
11:22
Every form is self is an illusion,there is no self,no separation, you are simply space that God fills when you surrender allow this illusion to shatter or die starving the self mind made ego if self to God's oressence you are fully in God truth true reality,to be in God get out of your mind be present here now fully be no thought means no self empty space witness to God's divine will creating through you
Good, on this side of thought....I wonder if it gets better or worse when Rupert Spira is drunk or half drunk...?
People are taking mysticism very litely as it is a kind of course
Perhaps there is only one way of "self inquiry" because it's connected to one ancient hindu religion. Or to be more precise, if you are a dedicated practioner of this ancient religion, your definition of 'self inquiry' has a specific definiton that is laid out in the doctrine of the religion.
For he does go on to describe some of this religion's doctrine, that the individual self is an illusion, and that claim has nothing to do with the activity of self inquiry; for anyone, regardless of beliefs, can self-inquire to understand more about themself without adding, "the individual self is an illusion".
Self-enquiry wasn't invented by Ramana Maharshi. It's an old Buddhist investigatory principle going back hundreds of years and has long been practiced in Tibetan Buddhism. The shortcoming is that it may mislead people into the false notion that the best way to merge into one's Self is through a mental method. OK for a start, but the direct path of Shiva is better. Just access "Mahamritunjaya mantra - Sacred Sounds Choir" and listen to it for 5 min per day for at least two weeks. Don't bother with an investigation of the "meaning'" of Self-Inquiry. The Self transcends investigations. Just experience IT.
Questioner was such a BLOWHARD!!
Then why do people strive for ego death and declare it as the ultimate enlightening experience?
To my experiences it just gives us a sense of what is outside of our own human bias. It's not about eliminating the ego because it's a tool we need but we don' t understand it is a tool until we know what we aren't - then we realize what we actually are. It's fascinating psycho-spiritual science almost. You can take DMT or you can get ahold of mystic practices (check out Drukama).
Because ego is very tricky in the self-preservation game, and if you are told that you should find or expand or break the limits of your self, for some minds It will quickly distort the teatching in a way that it will keep controlling our life. For some people they understand better the spiritual process when they hear that the ego should die or disappear . Its up to the teatcher to choose the words. Words are Just words, we should try to grasp the meaning.
Kittywampus Drums will mushrooms work?
The ego is not a "tool" that we need. All intelligence, life, being, are "borrowed" from the one and only Mind there is - Divine Mind.
I think folks tend to go down paths that they accept as either truth or benefical to them.
And when something is declared as 'the ultimate enlightening experience', that is just a person's personal opinion of it.
If such a belief system works for another, I genuinely wish them well with their endeavours.
I inadvertantly found myself on a completely different path, and have no use for ideas about the individual self being an illusion, or any condemning attitudes towards the ego or thought.
Why bother to wake up? I don't think we have a choice. Just like we had no choice to grow from 3 feet to 4 and then 5. We are evolving and the energy that propels us is irresistible and beyond human control. So might as well try to grow as painlessly as possible:)
Hmm, nice.. kindergarden spirituality.
All spirituality, if from the source, is simple. Religion makes it into a complex series of hoops and jumps to perform, so you can climb some imaginary spiritual ladder to more and more freedom. Wrong. Keep it simple.
Ramana Maharshi taught simply as well.