However, it does contain beeswax (so not vegan, if one cares about that, or if one's allergic to bees, e.g., me). It also contains coconut oil, so bonus for those of us also allergic to that. Sigh.
Super sweet. I love working with poplar. Such a stable wood. Not always a pretty wood… you got a nice piece aesthetically. And that Black Locust is super nice graining. Came out beautifully. I still have to send some pics of the table. I will admit I didn’t cure the wood at all so it’s cupped significantly and I need to cut a relief or two to level it and then sand to a plane again, but that’s ok because the stain wasn’t a match to the wood paneling in the house. This time I’ll mix a good match before I jump the gun. Life got crazy busy with the school year so I’ll send them when I get it back up to par… so now I’m motivated to do it sooner so I can show off a little lol. As always love the build.
i'm a big fan of Cliff Burton's Orion and i practice the bass parts on my guitar. i hope it's not blasphemous, i will get a bass one day. i realised how cool bass were when i heard and realised that the coolest parts in Orion for me, were the bass parts. you create one of the most beautiful instruments
Just wanted to say keep doing the awesome work you're doing, Tim. I can't beleive it's taken me this long to find your channel. Really, really cool stuff!
First, congratulations for version 3! I am a total fan of black locust, this tree is just a miracle - it is called (falsche) Akazie in this part of Europe, but that's also kind of changing towards Robinie... I think it would be awesome if more luthiers consider using this wood, instead of just being used for fences... And what a cool fretboard - the glow just adds to the flare. I red that this glow may dim after some years, but the physical props of the wood are just insane compared to it's growing speed. Should mind the bark, though... Nobody has to use imported wood from the rainforest, and if the buyers as well as the luthiers could agree on that, than there would be one problem less... one out of 100 - at least.... Concerning the build... a really round knob out of wood? better use a turning lathe - they are fairly cheap... but watch your bandana! I am a little hardcore, when it comes to this - I would glue in the pickup to never be seen again :D))) I would definitely use ferrules or make some holes and glue some thick stainless steel washer into them - leaves more wood ;) I would love to see a headless version - you could build the tuning pegs right into the body and safe some washers ;) Funny enough - the body shape with its heavy carving just screams for that... if you use a two way poti, right beside of the jack, you may access the whole cavity by the same plate... but I guess some guys may have already suggested that... Now, that I am done with my usual nitpicking, farewell!
Cool looking and sounding Basses!!! Black Locust! Walrus Oil!!? I like the nontoxic-less toxic thing! I wonder if it would work well on a a Fiddle? Say placed over dewaxed shellac. Thanks!✌️🌞😎🎻🎸
Really fun watching the progression of this design. Have to admit though, the first one is still my favorite. Looked like it grew into that shape with the seamless design. But it's fun to see the direction you're taking it. That black locust under the black light is pretty wild. Nature is weird. Thanks for sharing!
Really effing cool. The overall shape and the fret marking is my favorite part. For the back, it could be attractive to go with a darker wood like walnut or oak, so it contrasts the "glow" from the locust wood. Just out of curiosity, do you know Steve Wishnevsky at all? You two seem to have similar ideas when it comes to making instruments.
Awesome, I wish you were my neighbor so I could be your apprentice, your stuff is cool as hell, and I'd love to be able to learn just a fraction of the skills you have. Very cool stuff man.
Tim, hope you are well. This was another awesome video, and super cool guitar. Looking at that Poplar being put through the machines I get two ideas. This would lend it's self nicely to an Edge Grain Guitar, which I don't think you've done yet, it also looks like it would take Faux Zebrawood treatment nicely, which I don't think you've done yet either. A third idea, which I think is very cool, is replicating a Lichtenberg pattern onto it.
What about thumbwheel knobs on the side of the instrument? Often they're chucked underneath a pickguard on jazzboxes for low profile controls, and would be more subtle than even the wood knobs on the front.
Tim, that's a beautiful beautiful job sounds great absolutely you amaze me buddy but I shouldn't be surprised you're gifted the gifted of god. You use your talents you to be given very well and you share them love that about you 💕
Just occurred to me. You have any "Iron Wood" or Hophornbeam trees around (eastern hophornbeam, hardhack, ironwood, and leverwood.)? Though most I ever see are rather small, a fret-board should be able to be made. Very heavy and very dense. Has what looks like fussy caterpillars for a flower and fruits to look like Hops for beer, ovoid pointed leaves rough course bark. Also sometimes called Iron wood is American Hornbeam ( blue-beech, ironwood, musclewood and muscle beech) that is a bit bigger I think, but is a smooth barked tree. I am most familiar with the rough barked version from cutting firewood as a kid (only way we could afford to heat the house in winter was firewood) because we hated it for being so heavy when it was the common size of the other woods but it burned a long time. Usually it was only a few inches (4 to5) in diameter but every so often we'd get one bigger, but I recall none much over 12 inches. American looks a touch bigger and both should be in your area. Low lying and watercourses especially or used for ornamental trees. (Edited after much of my previous attempt was ate.)
that doesn't grow too close to me. I've used it in the past, pros and cons similar to the problems found in the hardwoods like black locust that grow near me. Hickory is also common here, which I might try.
Interesting approach to guitar building! I wish you had not fast forwarded through the pick up and the installment of it, stuff like that interests me just as much!
I have other videos that focus more on that. I choose a feature sometimes as if I covered everything the video would be almost as long as the build itself :)
Maybe rather than flat rounds on the knobs make 3D sculpt them on the CNC mill to be a bit larger but have either a concave or convex wave that sits almost flush to the surface of where to meets the guitar body. Or if you prefer hidden maybe hidden but accessible dials on one side.
I like the design but feel you need to roll the edges front and back of the body and soften the edge of the raised wood on the body. I love the fingerboard markers!
I did on the last one. It effects the usability of the thumbrest if I do it there (I didn't on the last one either). On this one I just gave it a very tiny roundover via finish sanding.
Try honey locust. Also very dense. I used it for a fretboard on my latest guitar. Check it out. I got the wood from a place that cuts down trees in the area around Milwaukee, Wi. And mills them.
It needs to be thick enough to act as a thumbrest and to carve a slight radius for the fingerboard. The first one was a little thinner. The top piece is about 1/2" thick now.
@@timsway i meant a thin veneer simply to keep the underlying softer wood protected... i dont know if it would work, but i know thats how parker guitars used super soft and lightweight woods... they put a candy coating on them. the yamaha a2 series did a similar sort of thing.
looking good ! hey about localy sourced wood?.. have you looked into how many Pianos in your area that might be Free or Trashed ... I have seen some videos of people repurposing tons of very hard to get woods and veneers off OLD Pianos
I thought about it but the body is a little thin for that and I'd rather keep it thin and light, y'know? Maybe if I sunk them in the back but had the wheels stick out from the side. When viewed from the back you'd see the whole wheel.
I meant to ask how is the sustain with so little metal in the bridge? I’m more of a solid body electric guitar person than bass so i kind of look at that much wood and worry about wear and sustain. Though it is without a doubt a very cool idea that you are working on!
The poplar parts glowed more under blacklight than the fingerboards/fronts [of black locust] did! I have an idea: a headless version... And I would be interested in helping prototype it **if** I can get the Apeiron body shape.... Blessed Be, & Peace!
I have a similar headless I make (not sure if there are any videos on it?) and I really like the idea of making this headless, IF I could find an elegant way to hide all the hardware in the back.
@@timsway you could do like the Traveler basses do and use normal tuners mounted sideways in the body with a roller bridge of some sort, or you could take inspiration from how Kramer did headless in the 80s. There are options out there that aren’t a massive headless-designed bridge
Oh. it's just a UV glowing thing. it's not actually a source of light :( I want glowy in the dark wood! still pretty cool though edit: just looked up the difference between flourescence and phosphorescence. technically flourescent things (like this wood in this video) are emitting light, not just reflecting it. UV in, there's an energy transfer, and a longer wavelength light is emitted. So, I stand corrected. But that I wish I had was phosphorescent wood- wood that stores energy from light, and then, in the dark, glows, without need for a UV light. I guess I could mix up some kind of wood stain that has phosphorescence somehow, and use that. anyways, excuse my ramblings. this is a cool video!
Nice. I really don't like those new "thumb" basses you see popping up. But with the second horn this guitar, even with the modern shape, is really interesting.
you mean the ones with the solid upper bout that hangs all the way to the 12th? I'm not a fan either, but I like having the strap pushed closer to the headstock
Great demo of how to make a bass. Like nearly every fretless playing electric bassist your out of tune most of the time even with markers and your eyes locked onto the fingerboard!
@@timsway Ha! Tell that to professional classical orchestral conductor or a recording studio engineer or someone with perfect pitch. You’re just plain out of tune mate. Jaco P the best known fretless player ever always had a fretted bass available for situations like reading charts when he couldn’t watch his fingers. The rest of us humanoids should stick to fretted basses and stop kidding ourselves.
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I love the waveform fret markers.glad to see Walrus oil doesn’t contain Walrus oil 😃
I always wondered about baby oil… SC Johnson doesn’t have the greatest history…
@@presmasterflash7555 😂
However, it does contain beeswax (so not vegan, if one cares about that, or if one's allergic to bees, e.g., me). It also contains coconut oil, so bonus for those of us also allergic to that. Sigh.
@@DeirdreSM Black locust also is able to make allergic reactions, its poisonous :D
Yeah, I'd forgotten that. I'd probably put that under a film-type coat, preferably a clear varnish.
The Aperion is getting cooler and cooler with each iteration!
Wow! I really love the way it looks and sounds. Also the natural glow is awesome.
6:32 Yeah! That's a really nice riff!
Super sweet. I love working with poplar. Such a stable wood. Not always a pretty wood… you got a nice piece aesthetically. And that Black Locust is super nice graining. Came out beautifully. I still have to send some pics of the table. I will admit I didn’t cure the wood at all so it’s cupped significantly and I need to cut a relief or two to level it and then sand to a plane again, but that’s ok because the stain wasn’t a match to the wood paneling in the house. This time I’ll mix a good match before I jump the gun. Life got crazy busy with the school year so I’ll send them when I get it back up to par… so now I’m motivated to do it sooner so I can show off a little lol. As always love the build.
Love the fingerboard integrated into the top and the fret markers. Really looking good! Matching wood knobs blend in nicely.
i'm a big fan of Cliff Burton's Orion and i practice the bass parts on my guitar. i hope it's not blasphemous, i will get a bass one day. i realised how cool bass were when i heard and realised that the coolest parts in Orion for me, were the bass parts. you create one of the most beautiful instruments
The bass parts are always the best parts but don’t tell guitarists that.
Now I wanna hear the solo from Orion played on a fretless bass
you deserve an award for that design 👍🏿you are equally talented as ned stienberger.
Just wanted to say keep doing the awesome work you're doing, Tim. I can't beleive it's taken me this long to find your channel. Really, really cool stuff!
welcome!
First, congratulations for version 3! I am a total fan of black locust, this tree is just a miracle - it is called (falsche) Akazie in this part of Europe, but that's also kind of changing towards Robinie... I think it would be awesome if more luthiers consider using this wood, instead of just being used for fences... And what a cool fretboard - the glow just adds to the flare. I red that this glow may dim after some years, but the physical props of the wood are just insane compared to it's growing speed. Should mind the bark, though... Nobody has to use imported wood from the rainforest, and if the buyers as well as the luthiers could agree on that, than there would be one problem less... one out of 100 - at least.... Concerning the build... a really round knob out of wood? better use a turning lathe - they are fairly cheap... but watch your bandana! I am a little hardcore, when it comes to this - I would glue in the pickup to never be seen again :D))) I would definitely use ferrules or make some holes and glue some thick stainless steel washer into them - leaves more wood ;) I would love to see a headless version - you could build the tuning pegs right into the body and safe some washers ;) Funny enough - the body shape with its heavy carving just screams for that... if you use a two way poti, right beside of the jack, you may access the whole cavity by the same plate... but I guess some guys may have already suggested that... Now, that I am done with my usual nitpicking, farewell!
Great film, nice bg music jam. Guitars look awesome. Love the design. That wood is trippy. Mahalo for sharing! : )
Keep doing what your doing I feel like your on the edge of making something huge when it comes to the bass/luthiery.
oh wow, thanks man!
I'm so in love with the design omg
Love the wave form fingerboard inlay....
I think it's a brilliant design idea and like where it's moving to.
Killer bass and a neat vid to show it!
Love the glow!
Love this basses ! Too lovely ! sound is good too !
Cool looking and sounding Basses!!! Black Locust! Walrus Oil!!? I like the nontoxic-less toxic thing! I wonder if it would work well on a a Fiddle? Say placed over dewaxed shellac. Thanks!✌️🌞😎🎻🎸
Amazing how much that furniture butter made that locust grain pop.
Such a cool idea of fingerboard/pickguard being connected
Lindo demais!!! Parabéns!
Really fun watching the progression of this design. Have to admit though, the first one is still my favorite. Looked like it grew into that shape with the seamless design. But it's fun to see the direction you're taking it. That black locust under the black light is pretty wild. Nature is weird. Thanks for sharing!
Yea, the first one is truer to the original idea, of course. who knows, maybe I'll go all the way back?
It's been fun watching the design evolve!
Really effing cool. The overall shape and the fret marking is my favorite part. For the back, it could be attractive to go with a darker wood like walnut or oak, so it contrasts the "glow" from the locust wood. Just out of curiosity, do you know Steve Wishnevsky at all? You two seem to have similar ideas when it comes to making instruments.
I do not know him personally but am familiar with his work. cheers!
Awesome, I wish you were my neighbor so I could be your apprentice, your stuff is cool as hell, and I'd love to be able to learn just a fraction of the skills you have. Very cool stuff man.
Tim, hope you are well. This was another awesome video, and super cool guitar. Looking at that Poplar being put through the machines I get two ideas. This would lend it's self nicely to an Edge Grain Guitar, which I don't think you've done yet, it also looks like it would take Faux Zebrawood treatment nicely, which I don't think you've done yet either. A third idea, which I think is very cool, is replicating a Lichtenberg pattern onto it.
Great work! Love the music!
i like it Tim .. Hi from Italy
0:14 Excellent!
What about thumbwheel knobs on the side of the instrument? Often they're chucked underneath a pickguard on jazzboxes for low profile controls, and would be more subtle than even the wood knobs on the front.
A freaking work of art,
Tim, that's a beautiful beautiful job sounds great absolutely you amaze me buddy but I shouldn't be surprised you're gifted the gifted of god. You use your talents you to be given very well and you share them love that about you 💕
What if the knobs only appear under the blacklight? Like, they’re not so obvious in natural lighting, but they contrast more under the blacklight?
really nice shape
Just occurred to me. You have any "Iron Wood" or Hophornbeam trees around (eastern hophornbeam, hardhack, ironwood, and leverwood.)? Though most I ever see are rather small, a fret-board should be able to be made. Very heavy and very dense. Has what looks like fussy caterpillars for a flower and fruits to look like Hops for beer, ovoid pointed leaves rough course bark. Also sometimes called Iron wood is American Hornbeam ( blue-beech, ironwood, musclewood and muscle beech) that is a bit bigger I think, but is a smooth barked tree. I am most familiar with the rough barked version from cutting firewood as a kid (only way we could afford to heat the house in winter was firewood) because we hated it for being so heavy when it was the common size of the other woods but it burned a long time. Usually it was only a few inches (4 to5) in diameter but every so often we'd get one bigger, but I recall none much over 12 inches. American looks a touch bigger and both should be in your area. Low lying and watercourses especially or used for ornamental trees. (Edited after much of my previous attempt was ate.)
that doesn't grow too close to me. I've used it in the past, pros and cons similar to the problems found in the hardwoods like black locust that grow near me. Hickory is also common here, which I might try.
@@timsway ah, okay, was just wondering and hadn't recalled if you had used it or not that I've seen.
I'm keeping an eye on EBay for the V2.0 auction release... I'd love to own one of these.
Well, I tried. Got outbid in the last few minutes...
Interesting approach to guitar building! I wish you had not fast forwarded through the pick up and the installment of it, stuff like that interests me just as much!
I have other videos that focus more on that. I choose a feature sometimes as if I covered everything the video would be almost as long as the build itself :)
That's so cool!
Maybe rather than flat rounds on the knobs make 3D sculpt them on the CNC mill to be a bit larger but have either a concave or convex wave that sits almost flush to the surface of where to meets the guitar body. Or if you prefer hidden maybe hidden but accessible dials on one side.
I like the design but feel you need to roll the edges front and back of the body and soften the edge of the raised wood on the body. I love the fingerboard markers!
I did on the last one. It effects the usability of the thumbrest if I do it there (I didn't on the last one either). On this one I just gave it a very tiny roundover via finish sanding.
Pair it with white oak sincs its harder than yellow poplar but similar in shade
yea, it's heavy, too, tho... I need to find a good local swamp ash reserve :)
Try honey locust. Also very dense. I used it for a fretboard on my latest guitar. Check it out. I got the wood from a place that cuts down trees in the area around Milwaukee, Wi. And mills them.
I have a similar wood source here.
Have you considered using a thin veneer Of Hardwood on top of the softer wood?
It needs to be thick enough to act as a thumbrest and to carve a slight radius for the fingerboard. The first one was a little thinner. The top piece is about 1/2" thick now.
@@timsway i meant a thin veneer simply to keep the underlying softer wood protected... i dont know if it would work, but i know thats how parker guitars used super soft and lightweight woods... they put a candy coating on them. the yamaha a2 series did a similar sort of thing.
you rock Tim
looking good ! hey about localy sourced wood?.. have you looked into how many Pianos in your area that might be Free or Trashed ... I have seen some videos of people repurposing tons of very hard to get woods and veneers off OLD Pianos
i've made a bunch of instruments from old, free pianos. the problem with them is rthey aere very heavy and hard to move :)
You should get jag style thumb wheel volume knobs and just have volume and tone be those, hide 'em on the bottom edge of the bass.
I thought about it but the body is a little thin for that and I'd rather keep it thin and light, y'know? Maybe if I sunk them in the back but had the wheels stick out from the side. When viewed from the back you'd see the whole wheel.
That was S’way Cool!
6:04 Sounds like the opening to Rite of Spring
I meant to ask how is the sustain with so little metal in the bridge? I’m more of a solid body electric guitar person than bass so i kind of look at that much wood and worry about wear and sustain. Though it is without a doubt a very cool idea that you are working on!
It's a different instrument than a bass with a metal bridge in many ways.
The poplar parts glowed more under blacklight than the fingerboards/fronts [of black locust] did! I have an idea: a headless version... And I would be interested in helping prototype it **if** I can get the Apeiron body shape.... Blessed Be, & Peace!
I have a similar headless I make (not sure if there are any videos on it?) and I really like the idea of making this headless, IF I could find an elegant way to hide all the hardware in the back.
@@timsway you could do like the Traveler basses do and use normal tuners mounted sideways in the body with a roller bridge of some sort, or you could take inspiration from how Kramer did headless in the 80s. There are options out there that aren’t a massive headless-designed bridge
@@rcjd7834 indeed. if we can do it hidden. maybe even smaller guitar tuners drilled out for bass strings...
Cool design. How much for a custom build?
you can contact me directly via newperspectivesmusic.com to discuss
Are your lines for this body shape inspired by the Esh Stinger?
Never heard of it until now.
Oh. it's just a UV glowing thing. it's not actually a source of light :( I want glowy in the dark wood! still pretty cool though
edit: just looked up the difference between flourescence and phosphorescence. technically flourescent things (like this wood in this video) are emitting light, not just reflecting it. UV in, there's an energy transfer, and a longer wavelength light is emitted. So, I stand corrected. But that I wish I had was phosphorescent wood- wood that stores energy from light, and then, in the dark, glows, without need for a UV light. I guess I could mix up some kind of wood stain that has phosphorescence somehow, and use that. anyways, excuse my ramblings. this is a cool video!
right, that would be wicked cool if it stored light and glowed in regular darkness.
Get a huge chunk of tritium.
great job, man! the art is dead when the experiment is over
Man, they all look amazingly awesome! 👌🏽
Excellent progressive work on them, mate.👍🏽
Happy bidding, potential new owner! 😉
You should name the v4 Monkeyalloy
Damn dude that's sweet
Nice. I really don't like those new "thumb" basses you see popping up. But with the second horn this guitar, even with the modern shape, is really interesting.
you mean the ones with the solid upper bout that hangs all the way to the 12th? I'm not a fan either, but I like having the strap pushed closer to the headstock
@@timsway Yep those.
How do the necks behave without a trusrod?
They have truss rods
That bridge system looks "soviet."
Let's be honest, the real stars of the show are your finger-saving reach extenders.
They're for sale at sqwayretools.com! :)
I’d put a bridge on that’s intonate adjustable
Black lights are great for finding scorpions. Don't step on the glowing spots as you stumble to the restroom!
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Bark!
Such a good boy!
woof!
meow!
Great demo of how to make a bass. Like nearly every fretless playing electric bassist your out of tune most of the time even with markers and your eyes locked onto the fingerboard!
Pitch, like time, is subjective. There's room on either side of the beat and either side of the note.
@@timsway Ha! Tell that to professional classical orchestral conductor or a recording studio engineer or someone with perfect pitch. You’re just plain out of tune mate.
Jaco P the best known fretless player ever always had a fretted bass available for situations like reading charts when he couldn’t watch his fingers. The rest of us humanoids should stick to fretted basses and stop kidding ourselves.
had to mute it to watch fully.
My bass glows like that in the black light but that because there's lots of blood and jizz on it.
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Wow was your playing out of tune!! I’d leave the fretless alone...
Pity it sounds awfull!