VW MK8 GTI TUNER BATTLE PART 1 - Stage 1 - 91 Octane - Low Torque - Dyno Comparison
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IT'S ON LIKE MOTHA TRUCKIN' DONKEY KONG! Welcome to my VW MK8 GTI Tuner Battle!!! To start things off I tested 5 different companies Stage 1 - 91 Octane - Low Torque tunes heads up against each other on the dyno. The results were extremely surprisingly and very eye opening!
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All dyno testing is performed at Racing Greed located at 1650 Broadway St Unit 110, Port Coquitlam, BC V3C 6P8. They can be reached at rg@racinggreed.com or check out www.racinggreed.com/ for more details.
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0:00 Intro
0:11 Companies I’m Testing & That Declined
0:44 DISCLAIMERS!
6:00 How I’ll Be Testing Each Tune
6:39 The Dyno I’m Using
7:09 The Fuel I’m Using
7:16 Stock Results
7:57 HOW TO READ A DYNO GRAPH!
8:50 How I Chose The Order I’ll Be Testing In
9:36 Tunezilla Results
11:14 APR Results
12:23 United Motorsport Results
13:28 Unitronic Results
14:24 034 Motorsport Results
15:12 Top 3 WHP Tunes
15:59 Top 3 WTQ Tunes
16:50 Thanks & Stay Tuned For More!
17:29 Outro - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Confused as to why some companies didn't choose to participate? Here is a quick breakdown for you on why:
Integrated Engineering: They don't currently make tunes for the Mk8 platform, so they were physically unable to participate.
RacingLine: They didn't have enough validations, testing, and analysis done on my box code, on the Mk8 GTI to feel comfortable with participating in this comparison.
EQT: They asked to participate 2 days prior to filming, but they required that as soon as I was done testing, I had to return all of their hardware and software. I would not agree to that, seeing as it would be a different arrangement than I have with the rest of the companies participating, and that wouldn't be fair to them.
Too bad about EQT. Should have agreed anyway. Oh well... 🤷
@MRDARRENGER and why should I have agreed to something that none of the other companies asked for? How is that fair? The entire concept of the Tuner Battle is about giving every company the same treatment. EQT asked to be treated differently.
@@VancityAudi out of all the tuning companies mentioned ,Eqt is the only company tuning through another 3rd party (cobb) . So i found it pretty reasonable for them to ask for cobb ap to be returned back. Every other company tuning dongle costs pennies, cobb ap is expensive, so yes i wish you would have agreed with their demands and see how they compare to other tuning companies
@jaxxone4907 Again, I state, why should I allow one company to compete and not follow the same guidelines as everyone else? EQT is not a poor and destitute company. The cost of a single piece of Cobb hardware as well as their software is pennies compared to what they are to gain if they come out on top, and a bunch of people purchase their software because of this Tuner Battle. The offer still stands... if they want to play by the exact same rules as everyone else they are more than welcome to participate. I'd love to see for myself if they're as good as so many others claim they are!
@@VancityAudi They just really did not care for your advertisement. Eqt has more followers than Jesus and people advertising for them are like jehovah witness members 😂their tunes are really good, one day you will try it out and see it for yourself why they are the 🐐 !
Great work on this video, Adam! Your attention to detail, clear disclaimers, and accurate education of things to keep in mind when reviewing dyno results is unique and very valuable for the community! Looking forward to more content.
Much appreciated! Thank you for your trust in presenting your software to the world!
I really hope people understand that you gradually ramped in torque to reduce shock to the drivetrain/engine. And keeping less shock into the engine frees the engine up to make more top end because your EGTs are low by “giving up peak bottom power”.
I tune the same way :-).
@@BrodeyDoverosx that's WAY too advanced for the people watching my videos, lol
Nice work! Loving that APR Tune with the optional warranty!
So fun running with one of the GOATS in the industry 🤝
Great video Adam. So fun to watch everyone’s different tuning philosophies run back to back. The MK8 segment is very lucky to have so many great options to choose from for various driving styles!
I couldn't agree more! Thank you for participating!
Dude you’re a GOD for this video… I asked for exactly THIS VIDEO in the comments of your last video, AND YOU DELIVERED WHAT AN ABSOLUTE LEGEND 🎉🎉🎉
Glad I could help, and thanks for watching!!!
I love united motorsports tune on my Golf R mk7
It's pretty amazing how responsive the GTI is to an OTS ECU only tune. Great video !!
Couldn't agree more! Thanks!
Ayee been waiting for this so excited the tuner battle starts
Great video!
Expected results.
When it comes to refinement, safety and overall output, UM is the absolute apex of software tuning in the VAG world.
Our first choice for all of our builds!
Thanks for watching!
Good to know. I would never choose you to build my car.
@@dirk5950 uhhhh salty!
@dirk5950 😂 why so much hate?
@@VancityAudi crazy out of nowhere, I just posted my pb 1/4 on the fb page and same thing all the R owners hating out of nowhere, I was damn I’m just sharing it guys
Can't go wrong with the APR. Very informative. Big ups!
Absolutely phenomenal work. Much appreciated!
Thanks for watching!
Great info, tons of work goes into things like this! Keep up the good work
Thanks, will do!
I can not thank you enough for what you are doing for the community, thank you again I know there so much more work that goes behind Camara , YOU ARE THE MAN !!!
Thank you for your support!!!
Love these types of comparisons, well done 🎉
Glad you enjoyed!
Wow Adam great video ! Thanks for all your hard work and lets get you to a 100,000 subs and beyond !
Thanks Lee!
great vid. i realy appreciate everything yo do for the community. and for me 😊
You're very welcome!
Best video ever thx adam
Thanks!
Great Video !! Excelent info !!
Thanks for watching!
I stand behind this testing. Can’t wait for MO POWA
You and I both! MO POWWWWAAAAA!!!!
Definitely appreciate all the work you do, really not surprised IE opted out, ask about their v6t tunes and cylinder 6 misfires💀
That has absolutely nothing to do with it. They do not have available tunes for this platform yet.
Wow, great job on the video.
Thank you very much!
You are the man Adam great effort my respect. 👍
Thank you!
Adam you're the f'ing man. Good work dude. Great disclaimer explanation.
Thanks for watching!
Great video, United Motorsport no surprise there. I've owned UM and they will feel great and will provide great numbers at the track. For my DD I normally use a tune like APR - not the most power but they have some pretty safe limits. Good info to help people make their their choice on tuning; in some way selecting a local tuning shop that supports your tune is nice to have. I'm definitely going to look into 034 for my future VW tunes. It's too bad IE and RacingLine didn't join the group.
Agreed. I was really disappointed when some of the companies opted out.
I had a 20th aniv GTI, many years ago. Makes we want to get a new one. Love that green color. Crazy how much power they make with just a tune.
Thanks, it's actually called Pomelo Yellow!
This deserves way more views and likes 😮
I couldn't agree more!!!
Lets go Unitronic cheahhhh!
No wonder my unitronic stage 1 low torque feels so quick! im not surprised it made that much torque
Great video. Definitely agree to withhold data logs, but not sure why you are withholding AFR. That is very useful and interesting info. AFR could be a dealbreaker.
I explained in great detail why when I said I wouldn't be sharing the datalogs with the public.
It would be really interesting to see to see how the golf r does with these same tests and tuning companies. Great video. I was the 2nd view!
Thanks for being an Eager Beaver!!!
I hear you on the TCU tune. Can’t wait till I can get my 23 r done.. holding off on tune till I can get both.
Just run the low torque file of your choosing. It completely changes the car and you don't have to worry about hammering your transmission with one of the lower torque files.
Fantastic video! would love to see this done on a mk8 R
So many people would, haha. I can't control the variables of the car when I don't own it and care for it. I don't own a Golf R. Not to mention how much time, energy, effort, and money these videos cost to make.
That’s my dealership.. got a follow instantly.. got my mk8 golf R and my mk8 GTi from white rock VW.. amazing people..
They've been awesome!
Great video, Adam. Any updates on the RS3?
Literally waiting on ONE PART!!! Once that shows up, we're putting it all back together with a bunch of upgrades.
@@VancityAudi I’ll be keeping an eye out for those videos. The information you share with your RS3 build has helped me a ton with my RS3! Keep up the great work!
@mathewnahmensen3783 thanks for watching, and I'm glad they've been of help to you! We have a bunch of fun stuff planned for the RS3 this year!
Great video. I love how this software still runs on Windows XP :) lol
If you're referring to the dyno, yes. There is absolutely no need to update your operating system when using a dyno that is running as it should.
Thanks so much for this comparison! Great content as always. Question though- why do you think there's that torque oscillation going on in the midrange in some of these tunes? Is it an airflow thing, flueling, or a torque management thing from the TCU approaching limits with it still being a locked TCU? Thanks again!
I think it's multiple things depending on which tune you're looking at. Some are due to octane restrictions. Some are due to the possible torque limitation. Some might be due to the exhaust valve lift kicking in.
Great video!
Made me reach out to United Motorsport.
I have been running 034’s Stg 2 E85 files and have made 373whp and 433wtq but with how beautiful that graph was I just had to go inquire to see if UM could work some magic.
Side note, I have UM E85 on my MkIV R32 and it feels as smooth as that graph looked.
Keep in mind that was only 1 of the 3 runs I did on UM software. The other 2 were even more up and down than any of the other tunes. With that said though, they certainly made more whp than anyone else.
Out of the frying pan, into the fire....
@@VancityAudi would you post pictures of those runs as well? I’m part of several MK8 groups, that’s where I saw this, so if you posted more comparison graphs that would be helpful.
@@dirk5950 why do you say that?
@@dirk5950😂 why do you hate UM so much? Please explain how they supposedly burned you in the past
Good job Adam I wanna see some video test on S4 one day for stage3 😂
Thanks. Sadly, you won't see that on the channel. I'm done with my B9 S4 build.
@VancityAudi shit man I can't believe you said that but it's OK rs3 is even better
Sorry man this Gti is not you I know this is to slow but is good for TH-cam a lot of guys have this kind of car thank you helping them go fast with all information they need to know
@bossanac9093 that's the goal. A more affordable daily driver in which I can help a larger demographic go quicker and faster in their cars, while at the same time hopefully educating along the way.
Future videos should include cars with these same exact tunes going at it!
If only it was that easy, haha. Organizing something like this takes a TON of time, effort, energy & money.
Another masterpiece good sir!
Thank you kindly!
Awesome info. Now I just gotta sell my soul for a new gti
🤣If you're already planning on selling your soul, I'd highly recommend a Golf R instead. Having power AND traction is a massive bonus!
Love the videos. Are all TCUs for 2023 - 2024 GTIs locked? Just picked up a 2024 GTI and it's kinda disappointing. Not sure I should be running a ECU tune without TCU. Is a Piggyback a better option? At least for now?
Yes, your TCU is locked. It looks like you need to watch this video and hear what I say at the end of it: th-cam.com/video/8rIRQ4NvOWs/w-d-xo.html
United Motorsports 💪!!
Please do the same tests with the mk8 R!!!!
Sadly, that more than likely won't happen. I can't control all the variables of someone else's car. Not to mention the time, energy, effort, and money that goes into making a video like this.
great video, id love to know which file you would choose and why? im in calgary so i would be running shell 91 as well and it would be my daily driver. im leaning towards APR & 034.
Stay tuned for that video! In the next few weeks, I'll be dropping my subjective video on which tune I'm currently using on my Mk8 GTI after trying them all out on the street!
What wheel and setup do you have on ? Also is it lowered ? Thanks for vids btw
I run CTS Turbo Lowering Springs as well as Continental Viking Contact 7's mounted on Enkei RPF1's
Hey Adam. Great content and you steered my decision about software selection. Here in my country only APR and 034 are available in your list. I followed your suggestion and selected 034 91 reduced torq. File.
Here you read REAL LIFE EXPERINCE:
First of all mapping and switching is so easy that is great. It works smooth as you explain.
BUT THERE IS A PROBLEM WITH THE MAP. I am not the one who experience it though. Sometimes it gives an error message calls UNDERBOOST error. I experience it when the weather is cold. How much cold you may ask; last week it was 5 degree in Turkey and ı couldt drive it. Whenever I needed power and boost from low rpm to high, it gave that error message. This week it is 15-20 degrees and I havent experienced any issue yet. I watched other guys videos and comments about the software. There are other guys like me.
Long story short, this must be solved but support process is very slow. İt has been more than a week since I first reported the issue. But there is no update yet :(
Check out this video. I go through the very easy way we fixed that issue: th-cam.com/video/JKB73iMNnXY/w-d-xo.html
@@VancityAudi this link is the same video(part1) I commented. Are you sure you shared the correct one? I watched it again but couldn’t hear anything :D
@@muratgurakan_thetroubleshooter I'm so sorry!!! This video: th-cam.com/video/lTUH9yrH9SY/w-d-xo.html at the 6:48 mark.
Would love to see the same comparison but on a MK8 Golf R.
Sorry, but that won't be happening.
I’m just starting the dyno but I’m hoping you did an A B A test. To remove the environmental factors.
Once you're done watching the video feel free to remove this comment, lol.
@@VancityAudiI watched the video. I don’t think you understand what A B A testing is used for in the design of a test. Not that I’m trashing you, I know how much work it takes since I’ve done it myself.
Anyway, A B A testing stock tune (aftermarket tunes) ending with stock tune will measure the difference the weather changes had on power.
Another way is to calculate the AAD and MAD like Gale banks does.
@BrodeyDoverosx I absolutely understand A B A testing, and it was completely unnecessary. Check out the ambient conditions and IAT's of all of the runs. I've never experienced less of a change in conditions throughout the day in the history of me being on the dyno over the course of the last 8 years.
This video was funded by United Motorsport :)
This video was solely funded by my broke ass.
I love you just explained why whp is just dumb AF! 😂 But everyone will still not understand because is your standard in that side of the pound!
I absolutely disagree. Displaying crank or brake horsepower from a dyno makes worse sense. You're using the dyno to assume the drivetrain loss which varies greatly in-between vehicles. I would MUCH rather have a pure horsepower rating at the wheels and not have the dyno calculate what it thinks it makes at the crank.
@@VancityAudi we don't assume drive train loss. We measure it. But never mind. But I will use your intro to future explain why whp is just pure stupidity when we have proper dynos that do all the math so you can have dynos all over the world and have consistente values to compare. Sadly this is a American trend difficult to escape.
@@MrArt69 So a chassis dyno that reads horsepower at the crank knows exactly how much drivetrain loss there is, no matter what vehicle is on the dyno? I genuinely don't know. We have no dynos local to me that read crank or brake horsepower. And to clarify... I'm not American.
@@VancityAudi first of all, because letters don't pass intention, I'm have nothing against you and none of this is been said in a bad matter 😉 but let me explain, our dynos here in Europe the ones I work with have a meteo station that reads temps, air pressure etc to use in the dyno runs calculated power. We dyno the same way but when the car gets to end of rpm we de clutch go to neutral and allow the dyno in the declaration fase to read the losses. Then all adds up to calculated crank power that is far more precise then all the different whp from different dynos as you very good explained. Sorry to call you American, but this logic comes from Americans.
@@MrArt69 Hard to not read an ill intent when your first sentence was "I love you just explained why whp is just dumb AF!" LOL. I was genuinely curious how it worked because I have never researched it or experienced it, and was lead to believe that the way those dyno's calculate drivetrain loss is not very accurate. Apology accepted, haha. I'm very proud to be Canadian.
Really interesting how unitronic only makes 299whp.. then again it’s 91..are you doing this same video with their 93 tunes? That would be awesome!
I did not finish the video 😂 excited to see those 93 numbers
You and I both!
@@VancityAudiany eta for us when that video will be released?👀
@@JaredDutton-xw4gt I'm HOPING for a release date of the 17th.
@@VancityAudi can’t wait!!
Did you not take AFR or was that part of the deal with tuning companies?
I covered that in the Disclaimers
Do you flash UM tune at home like Uni and 034?
You sure do
Where do I find a UM flash tool online in Canada?
Gonna take a wild stab in the dark here, but I'm betting if you go to their website and look under dealers, you'll find a bunch of them in Canada.
Was GIAC asked to participate?
They were not, no. I only asked the relevant companies in today's market. GIAC hasn't been talked about in the Mk8 community once since I became a part of it last year.
I have a 2019 A3 FWD and would love to get it tuned stage 1. Do you have a recommendations for a tuning software company. It’s been impossible for me to find a good tune for it.
I don't think you've looked very hard then, haha. There should be plenty! Unitronic, Integrated Engineering, APR, 034 Motorsport.....
@@VancityAudi yeah I tried them. I have the 2.0 TFSI which forever reason is different from TSI. I called all major brand companies with no luck.
@RichsRantMMAofficialchannel son of a..... Sorry to hear that! Time to upgrade the car apparently!
@@VancityAudi right, thanks for the advice.
@@RichsRantMMAofficialchannelstratified auto?
Hey just wondering why you went with a FWD car after so many years driving AWD cars? When my MK5 2.0t Jetta was written off, I had moved to a B8 A5 - same engine no big deal right? Boy was I wrong… Quattro BLEW.MY.MIND I cannot imagine going back 😅
Easiest answer $$$$, not to mention a MUCH larger group of people owning GTI's and modding them. I would have gone with the Golf R if I could have afforded it.
@@VancityAudimakes sense, how are you enjoying it? Big ups from a fellow Canadian living in the GTA.. Have you ever been to /or want to check out the shows out east like Eurokracy or Berlin Klassik?
@@UnExile Super fun car to rip around in as a daily driver. Solid fuel economy, but the functionality of the MMI is a F*CKING NIGHTMARE, LOL. I haven't been to either of those shows seeing as they're on the other side of the country, haha. One day maybe!
That’s the legit power from apr tune low torque?
Why would it be anything else?
@@VancityAudi i just tuned mine today mk8 gti with apr stage 1 low torque because of your video..😂👍👍 i love it the top end power from apr tune is very strong 💪
@@vebalasvegas31well hopefully you used my link to purchase it! Enjoy!
@@VancityAudi Hi from Las Vegas 👍👍
I thought this was tommyFyeah! 😂😂😂
I just looked him up because I had no idea who he was. I'm better looking than him, come on!!! 🤣
Are we gonna talk about the fact that APR and 034 appear to be running the exact same calibration...
😂 I can assure you that by looking at the logs, they're not. They just deliver power in a similar way.
@@VancityAudidifferent boost and timing?
@@molsen1029pretty much everything, lol. Fueling, lambda, timing, boost, you name it.
@@VancityAudi Haha it's really interesting that they ended up with the exact same power levels and power curve then. Will you share any of those other parameters or at least at a high level? Not asking for a tune sniff, but it would help for tune selection to know who's running richer, or with more timing advance.
@@molsen1029I covered that in the Disclaimers
I thought wheel hp would take into consideration the drivetrain loss. Did you get them mixed up in the video?
I guess it depends on how you understand the way I described it. Crank/Brake horsepower estimates your drivetrain loss where as Wheel horsepower doesn't include it.
Integrated engineering is sleeping on the MK8 apparently.
They haven't brought anything to market yet, which is sad because I would have absolutely loved to test out their software.
No @Equilibrium Tuning? C'mon man...!
Not my fault! I tried! Read the pinned comment and then watch this: th-cam.com/video/gSJ000a3EOI/w-d-xo.html
He requested to keep the Cobb AP after the test (in the name of keeping the test equal since he was keeping the hardware from other companies) and EQT wanted it returned (bc the Cobb AP is much more expensive than the UniConnect cable, for example). The two parties couldn’t get past that disagreement. It sucks, but I’m sure they’ll be able to work something out when (and if) this video is remade after the xx401 is cracked and the full torque files can be tested.
@dylandunlop2644 these videos will not be remade once the 401 bootloader is cracked.
Dynos don’t READ crank/wheel/brake horsepower. They MEASURE force (torque) and they CALCULATE horsepower.
LOL, thank you for correcting my choice of words. With that said, it makes no difference to the general public that are learning what they can from this video.
@@VancityAudiHopefully, they would learn that the hp variance between the dyno results occurs mostly from a mathematical computation and it isn’t a true measured difference.
I’m ignoring tires, tire pressure, and like way down in the weeds stuff.
@@BrodeyDoverosx You're giving WAY too much credit to the general population that watches my videos, lol. Layman's terms are best. Once you get too detailed you lose people and what you're suggesting would absolutely lose people, haha.
Seriously? 1/3rd of the video for disclaimers? Geeses
Yes, seriously. With as much ignorance as I've seen in the Mk8 community, I wanted to provide as much detailed information as I could. That way, not only am I showing people what the software I tested can do, I'm also educating those that are new to understanding cars.
The only way to make such a drastic increase in power vs the other tunes is to either run more boost or more timing. There is no magic to be found in these motors. Considering we are talking UM here and having seen plenty of logs of their tunes it can be readily inferred that they cranked up the timing and numbed the sensors so it wouldn't knock. Same old UM, nothing has changed. They don't care about your motor or turbo. I feel bad for people who watch this and think "Yeah, I'll go with UM."
Sounds more like you've had a bad experience using UM than actually speaking the truth of what I experienced on my car. I reviewed the logs of every single tune I used. What you're saying is not the case.
@@VancityAudi he's just a troll.
How's 10 to 15hp a drastic increase 🤔. That's like 1 to 2psi of boost and 1 degree of timing lol.
@@wesleykuntz4222 There's a 30ft lb spread at 4500rpm compared to the other two tuners. You think they found that in some cam timing or some shit? Yeah, ok.
@@VancityAudi Reviewing logs isn't the same as tuning. I've tuned quite a few EA888s. These cars really don't like a ton of low end timing on low/no ethanol pump gas. Considering all the tunes you just dyno'd the UM results should have you questioning, not praising.
No transmission tuning. Deal breaker went with a MK 7.5
And my guess is that once it's unlocked and tunable like the earlier model Mk8's, you'll regret that decision, but to each their own!