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2 questions: 1.) Are your RPF1's 17 inch diameter? 2.) Can you or have tried out the Cobb tuner? They were pretty popular with other makes, so I'm curious how their Mk8 tune is. Thanks for making these videos! 2022 Moonstone Gray GTI 6M
@@bryanhallman8183 1) Yes, they are 17's. 2) No I have not. I explained why I didn't test with a few companies here: th-cam.com/video/gSJ000a3EOI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zgSzX0SB2MTlbfQo
You’re a legend for this series… I hope any time someone asks “Which tune should I get for my mk8”… that this video saves many flame wars - simply cannot argue with graphs and numbers! Thank you for the hard work 🙏
Thank you for your kind words. I expect many stupid arguments to still ensue, lol. What many people have to consider is that these graphs don't even come close to telling the whole story. When people watch my next subjective video I think a LOT of people will be blown away.
@@VancityAudiI didn't hear but will you be doing drag strip comparison runs in addition to the street impressions? Would love to see how these graphs actually translate to the strip.
@05pharmd my local drag strip doesn't open until April, and seeing as very few GTI owners will actually be drag racing their cars, I more than likely won't be doing days of filming, providing direct comparisons. I will though be taking it racing to see what I can do on a particular day with a particular setup, and sharing that with you all.
It’s pretty easy to do. You can bump up max timing advance limits and adjust the knock control algorithm (largely just the target tables). The risk you get when building in a lot of adaptability is that the total timing curve may not end up being smooth. So there are many ways to skin the cat and reducing adaptability is a good idea in racing. You don’t want 10% more/less power depending on the corner that’s you’re accelerating through. 6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other.
Great comparison. Personally, I'd go with 034. Probably a little slower at the strip, but their promise of respecting factory safety programming seems reflected in their chart. Smooth curve is a little less exciting, but much better to daily.
Thank you. Many end users don't understand, but I think it would be incredibly disrespectful of me to go sharing the details of each company's special sauce.
@@VancityAudi the comment was previously made in the last video that an OTS was specifically requested since UM possesses custom tuning capabilities for individual end users. The fact you were instructed to run the same file on higher octane solidifies that for many reasons and also shows the confidence in both output and reliability in their tuning even when lower octane/bad fuel is run through the vehicle including retaining of various safety parameters, particularly knock sensitivity.
Would love to see how the high torque files compare, the differences in the low torque files seem to just be up to what they deemed safe for the clutches.
Next video you NEED to... I think you should be doing... You HAVE TO... Don't listen to the random comments telling you what to do! 😂 This series is amazing and I appreciate all the hard work. Can't wait to see more awesome content this year!
I appreciate that! Don't you worry though, I don't give a flying f$ck what people want to see, lmao. I already have my entire build planned and all of the videos in this series planned. The goal is to try and cover everything I can while still being considerate with my time, energy, and money I have to spend to make this content. In the end I hope it helps a ton of people, but I don't feel like I owe anyone any specific video and won't be shooting any video because I'm told to haha.
This is fun to watch. Look forward to the subjective and driveability comparisons. Know that several companies your testing greatly vary in boost/fuel/timing/ignition per ⚙️ gear. 😉
The exhaust provides no restrictions whatsoever in terms of performance. The downpipe may make small gains when I upgrade it, but companies have shown that the OEM downpipe flows really well.
Covered 5 Tunes and only displayed 3 in your closing review. Which, one was a standard Stage 1 tune and thus - the higher torque value. The interest in power is within the delivery of it and not the quantity.
@@VancityAudi Sure you went over the results of each and then straight to the Highest Number winners for each category. It's not the highest number that's important - but, perhaps that will be in the next video part you state at the end / which is the driveability portion of it. The newer turbo versions for the Mk8's are surely more efficient, but not that great when pushed like the IHI Versions.
@MegaHollywood1971 man, just continuing with the incorrect assumptions. The Mk8 EA888.4 motors have proven to be epic performers. The Golf R's are already running 10.6's with a stock turbo, lol. No chance in hell the MK7's were doing that.
im assuming the gauge left of the dash is a boost gauge i wonder how much an FMIC would help on the higher boost tunes i saw it hit 28 for a sec on one tune and the inlet temps started getting a bit spicy on the saucy boost tunes. great vid always look forward to the next
You are correct. That is a P3 gauge reading my actual boost levels. The peak intake air temps are shown on those same shots of the boost gauge in text. I'm positive that an intercooler upgrade would help when I'm making more power, but at these power levels and in the temps I'm testing in, I'm not sure how much of a difference they will make. I'm sure a little, but probably not much.
@VancityAudi true but once it gets warm it'll get hotter just an idea after your done with the series could see what benefit the FMIC does over each tune. Tired of these companies putting on meh stock ICs
@dakotajones8010 an upgraded intercooler will be the first major performance mod I'll be making. I am unsure of how I'll be going about that testing yet though, due to the HORRIBLE oem positioning of the intercooler.
Interesting results, Lots of different ways to produce power and it will be interesting to hear your subjective comments on driveability. Initial smooth torque I think will win DD contest and potentially the track if you can have better 60' times. Once this is done will you select the tune you'll use as a DD? Plans for testing with corn power E85 blends Exx :-) and dragy?
During my subjective video, I'll be sharing which tune I've spent the most time on while daily driving. An E85 dyno comparison will be coming up after that. I want to provide you all Dragy runs but so far, the cold & wet conditions paired with skinny 235 winter tires, plus not having an ideal place to perform the testing, has prevented me from doing so.
034 and APR look like the best for a stock clutch by far. Having the most torque in a low torque tune is definitely not a good thing. The others need to redo their tunes.
😂 You do realize that not everyone wants to play it safe, correct? There are many of us who enjoy throwing the kitchen sink at our cars to see what they can handle.
Any word on when a transmission unlock will be available? I’m manual but knowing you need it to get more data to the rest of us has me hoping it’s soon!
I have a 40th manual stock clutch so I’d need the torque limited to 350. Looks like only united motorsports is the way to go. Unitronic supposedly limits the torque on their tunes but last time I thought they don’t do custom tunes..?
Not sure how you came to that conclusion, seeing as United Motorsport made more wtq than that, and two other companies made less. No, Unitronic does not offer custom tuning.
TuneZilla's Dyno had HP falling off once is met with torque. That's a crap tune reaching for #'s instead of performance. APRs was by far the most linear with best acceleration on the table.
Just wondering why such a huge difference between stock power levels between the first time you dynoed this to the stock numbers on this video First time was something like 202/244 if I remember correctly
@@VancityAudi makes sense I was just at racing greed with my mk7 and the numbers where alot lower then I anticipated so was rewatching your videos to see if I missed something
@slymarbo4046 feel free to reach out to them and see if they showed your their Dynojet calibration or Mustang numbers. Their normal business practice is to show people their Dynojet calibration. If you were unwhelmed with how much power your Mk7 made, I'd highly recommend logging your car to make sure it is running correctly.
Might not be faster then 034, higher rpm horspower is most important factor in straight linę race. More torque in lower Rpm gives You more push to the seat feel but also is stress for na engine internals. Personally i choose tunes with flat limited torque. When it comes to acceleration times no difference with the cars with higher torque figures because my top end is pretty good
034 makes a high torque file, but the point of the low torque ones is to be easier on the clutch and easier on the motor. Having the highest torque "low torque" tune isn't a good thing.
@Jakalwarrior do you realize that the only reason these companies offer 'low torque tunes is because the TCU is locked? Perhaps they've figured out a way to comfortably make more torque without damaging the transmission.
@@VancityAuditorque is nescessary to generate power but in my opinion the most important is power band in higher rpm range. Of course those low torque files are only made because of TCU tune limitation and Your target map should be high torque file (still i prefer maps with flat torque and good top end power. It is the shame that racingline didnt want to compete because i use their map and i am very pleased how fast and drivable the car is).
You can always tell who skips through the important parts of the video by the comments they make. Please watch the DISCLAIMER portion of the video to understand what you're watching.
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2 questions:
1.) Are your RPF1's 17 inch diameter?
2.) Can you or have tried out the Cobb tuner? They were pretty popular with other makes, so I'm curious how their Mk8 tune is.
Thanks for making these videos!
2022 Moonstone Gray GTI 6M
@@bryanhallman8183 1) Yes, they are 17's. 2) No I have not. I explained why I didn't test with a few companies here: th-cam.com/video/gSJ000a3EOI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=zgSzX0SB2MTlbfQo
You’re a legend for this series… I hope any time someone asks “Which tune should I get for my mk8”… that this video saves many flame wars - simply cannot argue with graphs and numbers! Thank you for the hard work 🙏
Thank you for your kind words. I expect many stupid arguments to still ensue, lol. What many people have to consider is that these graphs don't even come close to telling the whole story. When people watch my next subjective video I think a LOT of people will be blown away.
@@VancityAudiI didn't hear but will you be doing drag strip comparison runs in addition to the street impressions? Would love to see how these graphs actually translate to the strip.
@05pharmd my local drag strip doesn't open until April, and seeing as very few GTI owners will actually be drag racing their cars, I more than likely won't be doing days of filming, providing direct comparisons. I will though be taking it racing to see what I can do on a particular day with a particular setup, and sharing that with you all.
Damn UM flexin against competition hard "naw fam no retune just put 93 in it" and still killing it.
I’d love to see how much timing it’s pulling on the 91oct tune
It’s pretty easy to do. You can bump up max timing advance limits and adjust the knock control algorithm (largely just the target tables).
The risk you get when building in a lot of adaptability is that the total timing curve may not end up being smooth. So there are many ways to skin the cat and reducing adaptability is a good idea in racing. You don’t want 10% more/less power depending on the corner that’s you’re accelerating through.
6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other.
Great comparison. Personally, I'd go with 034. Probably a little slower at the strip, but their promise of respecting factory safety programming seems reflected in their chart. Smooth curve is a little less exciting, but much better to daily.
totally respect your view on not publishing data logs
Thank you. Many end users don't understand, but I think it would be incredibly disrespectful of me to go sharing the details of each company's special sauce.
Awesome series. Thank you for all your hard work and effort with this.
You're very welcome. Thanks for watching.
Love the series so far.
Thanks for watching!
Excellent video!
Takes all the doubt away that the UM file was a true OTS.
There was doubt that it was an OTS tune?
@@VancityAudi the comment was previously made in the last video that an OTS was specifically requested since UM possesses custom tuning capabilities for individual end users. The fact you were instructed to run the same file on higher octane solidifies that for many reasons and also shows the confidence in both output and reliability in their tuning even when lower octane/bad fuel is run through the vehicle including retaining of various safety parameters, particularly knock sensitivity.
Would love to see how the high torque files compare, the differences in the low torque files seem to just be up to what they deemed safe for the clutches.
Stock DSG calibration, I would take the 034.
As always a very good video. Keep it up man, very clear information and data. Big fan !
Will do! Thanks for the support.
Next video you NEED to... I think you should be doing... You HAVE TO... Don't listen to the random comments telling you what to do! 😂 This series is amazing and I appreciate all the hard work. Can't wait to see more awesome content this year!
I appreciate that! Don't you worry though, I don't give a flying f$ck what people want to see, lmao. I already have my entire build planned and all of the videos in this series planned. The goal is to try and cover everything I can while still being considerate with my time, energy, and money I have to spend to make this content. In the end I hope it helps a ton of people, but I don't feel like I owe anyone any specific video and won't be shooting any video because I'm told to haha.
Thanks for all the data!!
You're welcome!
This is fun to watch. Look forward to the subjective and driveability comparisons. Know that several companies your testing greatly vary in boost/fuel/timing/ignition per ⚙️ gear. 😉
That they do, and you can certainly feel the difference between the tunes.
Awesome work once again, thank you brother for the hard work!
You're welcome!
Awesome job. These are great gains on stock cat and exhaust.
The exhaust provides no restrictions whatsoever in terms of performance. The downpipe may make small gains when I upgrade it, but companies have shown that the OEM downpipe flows really well.
Great stuff and the most important video is coming!
Thanks and I agree!
You have earned a sub. Keep it up!
Nice content Adam .. Thank you !!
You're welcome!
Covered 5 Tunes and only displayed 3 in your closing review. Which, one was a standard Stage 1 tune and thus - the higher torque value.
The interest in power is within the delivery of it and not the quantity.
Helps if you actually watch the whole video before you leave comments. I went over the results on every single tune individually.
@@VancityAudi Sure you went over the results of each and then straight to the Highest Number winners for each category. It's not the highest number that's important - but, perhaps that will be in the next video part you state at the end / which is the driveability portion of it. The newer turbo versions for the Mk8's are surely more efficient, but not that great when pushed like the IHI Versions.
@MegaHollywood1971 man, just continuing with the incorrect assumptions. The Mk8 EA888.4 motors have proven to be epic performers. The Golf R's are already running 10.6's with a stock turbo, lol. No chance in hell the MK7's were doing that.
im assuming the gauge left of the dash is a boost gauge i wonder how much an FMIC would help on the higher boost tunes i saw it hit 28 for a sec on one tune and the inlet temps started getting a bit spicy on the saucy boost tunes. great vid always look forward to the next
You are correct. That is a P3 gauge reading my actual boost levels. The peak intake air temps are shown on those same shots of the boost gauge in text. I'm positive that an intercooler upgrade would help when I'm making more power, but at these power levels and in the temps I'm testing in, I'm not sure how much of a difference they will make. I'm sure a little, but probably not much.
@VancityAudi true but once it gets warm it'll get hotter just an idea after your done with the series could see what benefit the FMIC does over each tune. Tired of these companies putting on meh stock ICs
@dakotajones8010 an upgraded intercooler will be the first major performance mod I'll be making. I am unsure of how I'll be going about that testing yet though, due to the HORRIBLE oem positioning of the intercooler.
@VancityAudi ik how that is I had a veloster Turbo the IC was TINY and they blocked 1/3 of it with the crash bar and bumper support
Interesting results, Lots of different ways to produce power and it will be interesting to hear your subjective comments on driveability. Initial smooth torque I think will win DD contest and potentially the track if you can have better 60' times. Once this is done will you select the tune you'll use as a DD? Plans for testing with corn power E85 blends Exx :-) and dragy?
During my subjective video, I'll be sharing which tune I've spent the most time on while daily driving.
An E85 dyno comparison will be coming up after that.
I want to provide you all Dragy runs but so far, the cold & wet conditions paired with skinny 235 winter tires, plus not having an ideal place to perform the testing, has prevented me from doing so.
Very nice comparison's, my 24 might need a stage 1 very soon : )
Thanks. Agreed! You definitely need more spice in your life, and a Stage 1 tune will get you that.
Love the videos. Is there any chance we can test the non low torque tunes? I would love to see that.
Please watch the DISCLAIMERS portion where I explain why that can't happen.
Great series pal 👌🙏
Thank you
Interesting how much boost some of the companies used and some of the spikes in boost throughout the power band
They all have their own special sauce to make power, and boost is only one piece of that puzzle. Certainly cool to see.
Any plans to do this with a MK8 R?
Nope
Nice video. please more of this. Windows XP? nice ...lol
Next do same but with a intake catted downpipe CTS intercooler and with a catback and with hpfp upgrade
How about I do it one step at a time like I've been doing, until I achieve a full bolt on setup?
MK8 doesn’t need HPFP.
Maybe a LPFP but only if you go big turbo and E85 on the MK8.
034 and APR look like the best for a stock clutch by far. Having the most torque in a low torque tune is definitely not a good thing. The others need to redo their tunes.
😂 You do realize that not everyone wants to play it safe, correct? There are many of us who enjoy throwing the kitchen sink at our cars to see what they can handle.
Any word on when a transmission unlock will be available? I’m manual but knowing you need it to get more data to the rest of us has me hoping it’s soon!
Sadly no. We're at the mercy of the companies & individuals trying to reverse engineer or 'unlock' the 401 bootloader.
I have a 40th manual stock clutch so I’d need the torque limited to 350. Looks like only united motorsports is the way to go. Unitronic supposedly limits the torque on their tunes but last time I thought they don’t do custom tunes..?
Not sure how you came to that conclusion, seeing as United Motorsport made more wtq than that, and two other companies made less. No, Unitronic does not offer custom tuning.
Next u should do e85 stage 1 tunes low tq
Once I drop my subjective video, that's coming next!
Can you do one with a TCU tune? I know its locked which sucks but it works on some cars
It doesn't work on mine or I would have already done it
I’m sure you answered this, what type of transmission is in the MK8 CVT or dual clutch set up ?
I didn't answer that actually, so I'm happy to answer. They come with a DCT called a DQ381.2.
TuneZilla's Dyno had HP falling off once is met with torque. That's a crap tune reaching for #'s instead of performance. APRs was by far the most linear with best acceleration on the table.
😂 you really have no idea what you're talking about do you? Lol.
Any plans to do same test on ots e85 files?
You can damn well bet on that! Once I've done the subjective video, I'll be comparing the Stage 1 - E85 - Low Torque tunes.
Just wondering why such a huge difference between stock power levels between the first time you dynoed this to the stock numbers on this video
First time was something like 202/244 if I remember correctly
I covered that in the videos. One is a Mustang dyno reading, and the other is a Dynojet calibration reading.
@@VancityAudi makes sense
I was just at racing greed with my mk7 and the numbers where alot lower then I anticipated so was rewatching your videos to see if I missed something
@slymarbo4046 feel free to reach out to them and see if they showed your their Dynojet calibration or Mustang numbers. Their normal business practice is to show people their Dynojet calibration. If you were unwhelmed with how much power your Mk7 made, I'd highly recommend logging your car to make sure it is running correctly.
On the road those other 2 tunes would be noticeably punchier to drive down low and also faster than the 034 map.
I'll be sharing that feedback in my next video, which will be completely subjective!
Might not be faster then 034, higher rpm horspower is most important factor in straight linę race. More torque in lower Rpm gives You more push to the seat feel but also is stress for na engine internals. Personally i choose tunes with flat limited torque. When it comes to acceleration times no difference with the cars with higher torque figures because my top end is pretty good
034 makes a high torque file, but the point of the low torque ones is to be easier on the clutch and easier on the motor. Having the highest torque "low torque" tune isn't a good thing.
@Jakalwarrior do you realize that the only reason these companies offer 'low torque tunes is because the TCU is locked? Perhaps they've figured out a way to comfortably make more torque without damaging the transmission.
@@VancityAuditorque is nescessary to generate power but in my opinion the most important is power band in higher rpm range. Of course those low torque files are only made because of TCU tune limitation and Your target map should be high torque file (still i prefer maps with flat torque and good top end power. It is the shame that racingline didnt want to compete because i use their map and i am very pleased how fast and drivable the car is).
Fantastic video.
Thank you very much!
339 wheel hp for 034 it says but on their website it says 309 whp for stage 1 is it more than advertised or something 😂
You can always tell who skips through the important parts of the video by the comments they make. Please watch the DISCLAIMER portion of the video to understand what you're watching.
@@VancityAudi so what is it then lol?
@@Mk8__Danit's literally explained in the video so I don't have to explain it over and over again in the comments