Great video. We have an interesting situation here. Those who make Tet Debo, are incentivized to buy/use these min price hammers, thus drying up the supply of Tet Debos, yet the demand will increase, especially when the box in 2 weeks gives out bases. Thus the days of getting a min priced (in the price range) tet Debo are over, thus delaying the time until Debos get to that mid 60 billion price. While the hammers are sitting in plenty of quantity as we speak, what happens when less than say, 40 are on the market, and the demand for hammers outstrips supply.
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@user-ob8nq3uw5c 4.5k sold, 2.5k left on market. U can do the math. Im a pleb i cant buy them all and due to low pen debo cap its a bad speculation item. Ill simply sell at 45b+ or tap myself.
i mean you could also say you pay a premium to remove the 40% downgrade so you pay 40% extra of the vendor crons, which will also put the value at around 50b
if 70% players are all in the 720+ GS then this item will definitely goes up, but seeing just how small percentage of the people with this GS overall, I think the price will sit at min price for at least the next 6 months
There's 2600 in stock currently on NA w/ 2742 trades total in just a couple days so I think your analysis is incorrect. The people selling the hammers only get one the people buying them could need who knows how many to hit their Debo/Debos.
Fact you can jus tap tap tap on it with no downgrade, its worth less than cron cost currently, thisll go up to the value of crons and then higher, whales are buying, rich get richer
And it's sitting on market pretty much min listed. I was shocked with infinite pots with how little people value their time spent, but I'm even more shocked now. Even just calculating vendor crons and not the rest you're gonna see that it's so much more than the min price. Buying outfits is a fantasy on EU though.
Pro tipp: lower your AI noise cancellation or if u use noise suppression/noice cancellation lower thoose. Some times a little bit noticeable cuz your mic activating a littlebit later and the first word of your sentence sounds a lilbit strange.
gonna stock as much as i can, on my sv SEA pen debo isnt sold that much(actually rarely sold) so with hammers and x2 300fs its much more easy to get 2 pen debo.
What is your opinion about these market changes and ease of deborekas? I feel that PA is killing the market more and more every day, our profits from enchants going down the drain. A game without a market is a dead game, only enjoyed by those who spend 10 hours killing the same mobs forever.
Very insightful video, thank you! I'm glad to have timed the market and sold at NA's peak of 40.4b. Unless PA changes anything I honestly do not forsee these hammers going up past this price. Suppy may be limited but demand will drop as the few people who can afford to tap pen debos make their debos. As you mentioned, there are other better avenues for enhancing for profit too. Would take 90 people using 280 stacks for every single attempt, completing the whole set, and each spending ~756 billion on hammers for all to be sold out. Ofc this is oversimplified and price will gradually go up as hammers are purchased and not everyone will use an ideal stack. Thoughts?
I think they will stay at a very low price for quite a while. The supply is just so much higher than the demand. I do think they will eventually go up but it could take a long time.
I think the event only last till November, the hammer is a new Item that will be given at events or even available for crafting. This might be one of the changes that PA wants to add to the enhancing system, if crafting is possible it will require Cron Stones definitely. So, buy while is at min price.@@biohacktv
I calculated based on value per tap as compared to costume crons and came out to the same ~41b silver value on hammers. Having biohack getting the same value gives me more confidence in my calculation haha.
this is your function for deboreka cost with crons (from your spreadsheet) =(D16*G13+D21*D22*G13)+(D14-D15)*G14+D14+D19 can you explain why your downgrade cost is (D14-D15)*G14+D14+D19 ? u adding tet debo and failstack price to donwgrade chance and then multiplying it by the difference between tet debo and tri debo price, which doesnt make sense to me your downgrade cost is higher than what base tet cost isnt this more correct : =(D16*G13+D21*D22*G13)+(D14-D15)*G14, which would turn average cron enhanccing to 288b (no fs price included) =(D16*G13+D21*D22*G13)+(D14-D15)*G14+(D19*G14) = 324b with fs price at 15b
Finaly someone who can do basic math to alert people. Some youtubers had such garbage takes and advice for viewers saying they should sell their hammers, and the hammer was only worth buying for 30bi max, lol just with a basic math sense I felt like that couldn't possibly be true, then I did the math like you did here, and indeed it wasn't true at all. People from EU and most smaller regions shoulda absolutely go for the hammer if they're gonna enhance their Debos now.
I aswell only heard people saying sell it if you dont use it and that new players should sell it if they can get decently more profit while grinding with investing the silver they get, which isnt wrong at all
depends. Pen Debo earing sitting in EU (now 4 months later) at 256b. production cost with the sheet at 259b ... market flodded here with bases sitting on market for nearly ever debo, and over daytime sittion PENs on market.
They thinking they want the money now and not later i know a few people who are grind stuck and this just essentially auto completes it for them. I'd still hold onto it but still.
A lot of the youtube/twitch react Andys have already convinced most of the BDO playerbase to sell theirs. Until the real data begins to circulate, they're going to sit for quite a while.
More people should make V debo so the price can go down and people can buy it for 150 bills for example because lets be honest 300 bills its way too much for just one bis item
Hearing 6.9 attempts for a PEN Accessory is absolutely delusional 🤣 🤣 🤣 I’ve blown up ON a AVERAGE 17 Tri’s going for TET with a 27-30% chance to pass….. now you are talking about slicing that to half that % and you’ll get it in 6.9 attempts?! 🤣 that is NOT how RNG works bro. Every single time you smash the chances are STILL a low % chance. That chances does NOT increase because you get another smash…..
TET with 30% chance is 1 into 3/4 tries on average. That's math. And you're unlucky. All this happens. Just like dice throw does. Throw a dice, if it's SIX you got pen debo, all others are fails. That's the 6.9 attempt average to get it.
He is going at 14.5% per attempt, at 6.9 attempt he is looking at 66% success chance in getting one. If you are 17 attempt at 28% you are looking at 99.62% chance of getting one, well above the required taps. Luck must really be not on your side.
@@philiptky5310 that’s been my luck since launch man….. I’ve been tempted to sell my Xbox for another one just to create a new account and see if that makes a difference. I’ve got buddies that have made 2 accounts and reached 700+ twice before I can even get 650 😂 But yeah, my comment was to shed light that statics is more complicated than the “math” that people are claiming here. It’s not like the system knows you’ve tried enhancing 1, 2 , 3 or 49 times….. if it says 5% chance then it’s a fking 5% chance each time…. So yeah it’s possible to fail way more than you’d think. I think many have proved that already
@@emeukal7683although depending on what gear stage you’re at in the game, it may be better to sell for min price for better gear to increase grinding silver/h
Let me give u the most likely outcome: similar to lost ark and other games it takes the edge off or rather makes u feel like it would. Nothing will change in reality since everyone gets it and u always desire what others have.
Great video.
We have an interesting situation here. Those who make Tet Debo, are incentivized to buy/use these min price hammers, thus drying up the supply of Tet Debos, yet the demand will increase, especially when the box in 2 weeks gives out bases. Thus the days of getting a min priced (in the price range) tet Debo are over, thus delaying the time until Debos get to that mid 60 billion price. While the hammers are sitting in plenty of quantity as we speak, what happens when less than say, 40 are on the market, and the demand for hammers outstrips supply.
from today's update: This item will be removed during the Nov 27, 2024 maintenance.
* This item cannot be used on accessories added between the maintenance on Apr 3, 2024 and Nov 27, 2024
i bought one at 37 and one at 27 bil.. i didn't consider how many new players are in game that are years away from pen debos..
a lot of people are hoarding that;s for sure
They're actually sitting on EU still, crazy.
Theres 2k sold each day, happy ppl buying.
its not really crazy, do you know how much it would cost to buy all of them?
@user-ob8nq3uw5c 4.5k sold, 2.5k left on market. U can do the math. Im a pleb i cant buy them all and due to low pen debo cap its a bad speculation item. Ill simply sell at 45b+ or tap myself.
@@user-ob8nq3uw5c 2541 in stock and 4462 sold as of right now ... even at lowest price that 192 trillion of silver. Crazy!
Trillions is putting it lightly
i was waiting for you to talk about this item haha
i mean you could also say you pay a premium to remove the 40% downgrade so you pay 40% extra of the vendor crons, which will also put the value at around 50b
For anyone that missed it, he already included the no downgrade in the math
Yoooo thanks for this brother!!! The analysis we all needed!!!
I told you. Nobody listens to me :(
if 70% players are all in the 720+ GS then this item will definitely goes up, but seeing just how small percentage of the people with this GS overall, I think the price will sit at min price for at least the next 6 months
There's 2600 in stock currently on NA w/ 2742 trades total in just a couple days so I think your analysis is incorrect. The people selling the hammers only get one the people buying them could need who knows how many to hit their Debo/Debos.
Fact you can jus tap tap tap on it with no downgrade, its worth less than cron cost currently, thisll go up to the value of crons and then higher, whales are buying, rich get richer
I highly doubt 70% of people that play this game are above 720gs
Update: 4 months over, on EU still at minprice ;)
@@DJSvenDee exactly what i said
much appreciated vid, thank you
And it's sitting on market pretty much min listed. I was shocked with infinite pots with how little people value their time spent, but I'm even more shocked now. Even just calculating vendor crons and not the rest you're gonna see that it's so much more than the min price.
Buying outfits is a fantasy on EU though.
Thanks for the breakdown!
im holding on to mine until I gets higher price and scarce lol
does it not get deleted tho ?
@@allexffs
Nope
it will in Nov
@@SirMsuni
@@LuNg1196 no it will not after you collect it you keep it
@LuNg1196
The ability to claim it will be removed in Nov.
Only worth for pen debos
Pro tipp: lower your AI noise cancellation or if u use noise suppression/noice cancellation lower thoose. Some times a little bit noticeable cuz your mic activating a littlebit later and the first word of your sentence sounds a lilbit strange.
I was able to login early after the maintenance, and sold mine for 38 billion... thanks PA
gonna stock as much as i can, on my sv SEA pen debo isnt sold that much(actually rarely sold) so with hammers and x2 300fs its much more easy to get 2 pen debo.
What is your opinion about these market changes and ease of deborekas? I feel that PA is killing the market more and more every day, our profits from enchants going down the drain. A game without a market is a dead game, only enjoyed by those who spend 10 hours killing the same mobs forever.
How is this man getting 280 stacks for 15 bil? I need a tutorial.
same here. thought it cost x3 at least
seems its with pen reblath. so for all others its more like x3 x4 the costs
40B I WILL SELL MINE
for 20b ill buy yours
@@xuras2943 27.5B is minimum.
also ppl might have free even 150+ hungers to 250 and tap,
New player benefit from this math, I hope it goes to at least 40 B in NA and 50 B in EU
Very insightful video, thank you! I'm glad to have timed the market and sold at NA's peak of 40.4b. Unless PA changes anything I honestly do not forsee these hammers going up past this price. Suppy may be limited but demand will drop as the few people who can afford to tap pen debos make their debos. As you mentioned, there are other better avenues for enhancing for profit too. Would take 90 people using 280 stacks for every single attempt, completing the whole set, and each spending ~756 billion on hammers for all to be sold out. Ofc this is oversimplified and price will gradually go up as hammers are purchased and not everyone will use an ideal stack. Thoughts?
I think they will stay at a very low price for quite a while. The supply is just so much higher than the demand. I do think they will eventually go up but it could take a long time.
I think the event only last till November, the hammer is a new Item that will be given at events or even available for crafting. This might be one of the changes that PA wants to add to the enhancing system, if crafting is possible it will require Cron Stones definitely. So, buy while is at min price.@@biohacktv
I calculated based on value per tap as compared to costume crons and came out to the same ~41b silver value on hammers. Having biohack getting the same value gives me more confidence in my calculation haha.
I’m curious how the changes bringing guaranteed success after multiple failures will affect future prices.
pitys are so high you alreeady lost double or triple the market value when you reach it, so it wont really do something
this is your function for deboreka cost with crons (from your spreadsheet)
=(D16*G13+D21*D22*G13)+(D14-D15)*G14+D14+D19
can you explain why your downgrade cost is (D14-D15)*G14+D14+D19 ? u adding tet debo and failstack price to donwgrade chance and then multiplying it by the difference between tet debo and tri debo price, which doesnt make sense to me
your downgrade cost is higher than what base tet cost
isnt this more correct :
=(D16*G13+D21*D22*G13)+(D14-D15)*G14, which would turn average cron enhanccing to 288b (no fs price included)
=(D16*G13+D21*D22*G13)+(D14-D15)*G14+(D19*G14) = 324b with fs price at 15b
Finaly someone who can do basic math to alert people. Some youtubers had such garbage takes and advice for viewers saying they should sell their hammers, and the hammer was only worth buying for 30bi max, lol just with a basic math sense I felt like that couldn't possibly be true, then I did the math like you did here, and indeed it wasn't true at all. People from EU and most smaller regions shoulda absolutely go for the hammer if they're gonna enhance their Debos now.
the "garbage take" I was hearing was if you are not going for pen debo sell it, which pretty much is a good advice lol
choice haha
I aswell only heard people saying sell it if you dont use it and that new players should sell it if they can get decently more profit while grinding with investing the silver they get, which isnt wrong at all
Thank you the breakdown. Was curious if my napkin math was close... it was. tyty
I find it hard to believe that avg attempt of 6.9. is this just the player's favorite number? because im at my 11th attempt now XD
ur just unlucky
ye thats unlucky. but 14,5% at 280 stack is 6.9 attemps in avg
i Used 3 now and all failed they should just put 10x pitty
TLDR: yes they are.
Based
"How much is this worth?"
"Yes it is"
Huh?
depends. Pen Debo earing sitting in EU (now 4 months later) at 256b. production cost with the sheet at 259b ... market flodded here with bases sitting on market for nearly ever debo, and over daytime sittion PENs on market.
Many players are selling it at 27bil. I don't know what they're thinking.
They thinking they want the money now and not later i know a few people who are grind stuck and this just essentially auto completes it for them. I'd still hold onto it but still.
i tap my first pen debo on 26th atempt... 326fs
I will buy as much hammer as possible now that they are 27500 only as minimum. Then only sell them at max price 50,000 later
Good luck!
Today i got my pen Debo necklace with hammer
The video we all been waiting for
Eu they will rise to max 100% in some weeks
good video :)
What about the opportunity cost of not grinding while failstacking for tet stacks after downgrade?
That's embedded in the value of the TET.
@@biohacktv THX!
Much appreciated analyzis!
When do you think that these hammers will run out from market?
Really hard to say. I would guess it sits for a few months.
A lot of the youtube/twitch react Andys have already convinced most of the BDO playerbase to sell theirs. Until the real data begins to circulate, they're going to sit for quite a while.
Ill keep mine at 36b then
Bdo has like 2k people who care about gear.
Was looking forward to this! Thanks BioHack
More people should make V debo so the price can go down and people can buy it for 150 bills for example because lets be honest 300 bills its way too much for just one bis item
Sold mine at 44bill got my pen neck and I've bought 2 of them at 27bill ea 😂 gonna stock up
Hammers in EU are sold for 27.5 bills at the moment there is 1000+ on the market...
Thanks for breaking this down. Gonna save my hammer till they get more scarce
Lol you only made this video to increase the price of these hammers. you horde a fck ton and want to resell when it goes max price. Cant fool us cuhs
So in conclusion for an EU player, wait until it hits max price? xD
Hearing 6.9 attempts for a PEN Accessory is absolutely delusional 🤣 🤣 🤣 I’ve blown up ON a AVERAGE 17 Tri’s going for TET with a 27-30% chance to pass….. now you are talking about slicing that to half that % and you’ll get it in 6.9 attempts?! 🤣 that is NOT how RNG works bro.
Every single time you smash the chances are STILL a low % chance. That chances does NOT increase because you get another smash…..
TET with 30% chance is 1 into 3/4 tries on average. That's math. And you're unlucky. All this happens. Just like dice throw does.
Throw a dice, if it's SIX you got pen debo, all others are fails. That's the 6.9 attempt average to get it.
blame ur rng noob hahaha
He is going at 14.5% per attempt, at 6.9 attempt he is looking at 66% success chance in getting one. If you are 17 attempt at 28% you are looking at 99.62% chance of getting one, well above the required taps. Luck must really be not on your side.
@@philiptky5310 that’s been my luck since launch man….. I’ve been tempted to sell my Xbox for another one just to create a new account and see if that makes a difference. I’ve got buddies that have made 2 accounts and reached 700+ twice before I can even get 650 😂
But yeah, my comment was to shed light that statics is more complicated than the “math” that people are claiming here. It’s not like the system knows you’ve tried enhancing 1, 2 , 3 or 49 times….. if it says 5% chance then it’s a fking 5% chance each time…. So yeah it’s possible to fail way more than you’d think. I think many have proved that already
Is enhancing in BDO essentially porn for math nerds? 😅❤
👍
will hodl it.
i burn my 400b on hammers lmao
Get a life dude
Thanks! Do you think it's worth it to try and flip these considering they are perishable?
You would see Biohack mass buying hammers in that case
Biohack has access to a lot of methods of making silver. He wouldn't do a lot of things im doing right now for income @@DrSwazz
not really, the item will deleted at november , unless u got ton of IV debos and stacks to exit via selling V i dont think so
It's very very risky. I probably won't.
How do you even get a 280 stack?
Raw click pen bs
Fail PEN Reblath from 90-280.
IM. At 28 bill and it wont sell :(
Ur educated to be here, listen, evaluate, take ur offer off market and let the morons get ripped off.
@@emeukal7683although depending on what gear stage you’re at in the game, it may be better to sell for min price for better gear to increase grinding silver/h
as compared to waiting months. i guess it depends on how much you play cause for me it was worth it
красава ,уважения
Keeping up with BDO tradition, just another fail for me.
The beginning of end of game
It will go down below 10bil for sure
min price is 27b
how do you feel about the new pity system coming to enhancing like lost ark has? lame af imo
Worst take this year.
I'm just waiting to see what it looks like before I make a judgement.
@@biohacktv fair , certainly fair im going to jump the gun and say its poop , i hope to be wrong
Let me give u the most likely outcome: similar to lost ark and other games it takes the edge off or rather makes u feel like it would. Nothing will change in reality since everyone gets it and u always desire what others have.
With the numbers they published, it will literally have next to no impact on anyone else, just the really unlucky few