I always played a 4 valve, then got my own euphonium years later and it had 3, didnt think it would be a big deal but not being able to do 4 and 24 i found myself struggling a lot with tuning so I borrowed the band's instrument again
My third valve got stuck very often so I was forced to use the fourth valve. when I was younger I would never use it but now I realize that it is a helpful asset
I started playing with an euph with 4 valves, but they were linear. So to get uesd to the 3+vertical 1 sistem I actually began playing the 4th valve with the index of my left hand. Not really the answer to your question but I guess someone could use this information. Awesome video dude, keep 'em coming!
I was wondering this too, I’ve been a trombone player for 7 years but Need to cover the euphonium part, I have some fast runs so I was curious about finger timing and if using the Index rather than the Pinky would be faster.
For me when I started trying to use the fourth valve, I just had to make a conscious decision to use it whenever I could. Also in places where fourth valve was easier and more convenient I would write it above my music just to make absolutely sure I would use it.
There were just too many pieces that required the 4th valve. Working to extend the chromatics to the lower ledger lines below the staff took a little extra work. Now those wonderful notes are part and parcel of all my playing. Thanks for a good overview.
I've already forgot how I changed 1+3 to 4, because it's a very nature thing for me. But after 10 years I took euphonium again and played, I found it's 4 valves on top(not 3+1 type), it drove me crazy!!!! So I restarted to use 1+3 instead of 4th on top. But recently I bought BE165 so I'm back to 3+1 type again. LOL
For me, I wanted a 5 valve tuba at the age of 11. That wasn't going to happen for good reasons. But my school had 3 and 4 valve tubas and 4 valve euphoniums. When we learned the first 5 notes, I noticed the euphoniums were using the 4th valve for C, B, F, and E. A year later, I was excited for the 4th valve!
I switched my fourth piston to a 4th rotary. Good decision. Works beautifully on my 1980s Besson tuba. Now use my 4v far more, especially when running around.
I switched from a 3 valve BBb tuba to a 5 valve CC tuba. All of the fingerings were different, so I just memorized low “D” and low “G” as 4, etc. Awesome video!
I play both TC & BC scores. I try to use 4th valve as much as possible. I agree that 4th vale can help get a note in tune that might be a bit to much off using 1st & 3rd valve. I play an old Juipter JEP470 ( I call it my Chevy without hub caps). I had a brass instructor who pushed me to use the 4th valve. I am glad he did.
Personally, I use the 4th valve on my tuba a lot. I play C tuba, and 1|2|3 for my C# (B natural on BBb) usually is around 50 cents sharp. After watching this video, I used 2|4, and it was much better! Thank you for the tips!
Actually, I started playing the euphonium as a new instrument freshman year in high school and I asked the student helping me about it and he told me about it and I ended up learning (and kinda teaching him) about the lower note fingerings of the "ghost register"
B natural 2-4 tends to be 15 cents flat on my euphonium, kinda a small trade off. As for practicing with the 4th valve. The Chaconne from Holst 1st Suite in Eb works well, find some bassoon/ bass clarinet parts (or just tell your band teacher you can cover the part if you don't have a bassoon player), looking at some tuba parts and play it as written can help. The Brass Gym has exercises which go down to the pedal range.
I try to use the 4th valve sparingly. My Besson Sovereign has a 4th valve slide thats too long so my C and F on the staff are naturally flat and my 1 and 3 for those notes are in tune so I’m a very rare exception
I always suggest a health diet of long tones, lip slurs, and patience. It is a muscle that helps us produce the sounds we need to creat, so if we work out that muscle it should help us do more work. I wish I could say something like "eat two raw eggs, and drink a mexican coke and youll be playing 4 octave scales in no time!" but I just don't believe that is the case.
Thats great! Glad you're playing Euphonium! Hopefully if you ever get a 4 valve one you can use this video to help you get the hang of the different fingerings! 😊
First, I practice simple songs and scales with the forth valve and once I moved on, I started to use it with the songs I was actually playing for band and Symphony. Practice.
The best way for me to get used to playing a fourth valve is to actually get a euphonium with a fourth valve.
...Yeah that helps! lol
I always played a 4 valve, then got my own euphonium years later and it had 3, didnt think it would be a big deal but not being able to do 4 and 24 i found myself struggling a lot with tuning so I borrowed the band's instrument again
Playing scales that involve the fourth valve really helps you to get used to it
Manspider Ball that’s what I did :)
Good to know that the 4 th valve is similar to the triggers on bass trombone, and i wont have to re-learn all my fingerings. Great vedio
My third valve got stuck very often so I was forced to use the fourth valve. when I was younger I would never use it but now I realize that it is a helpful asset
I feel embarrassed as a Euphonium player to not have known this information. This video is a blessing!
Arnold Burtleg haha! No need to be embarrassed, I’m glad the video helped.
I started playing with an euph with 4 valves, but they were linear. So to get uesd to the 3+vertical 1 sistem I actually began playing the 4th valve with the index of my left hand. Not really the answer to your question but I guess someone could use this information. Awesome video dude, keep 'em coming!
Matteo Selvaggio I’ve seen others do that and they swear by it! Good call.
And thank you :)
I was wondering this too, I’ve been a trombone player for 7 years but Need to cover the euphonium part, I have some fast runs so I was curious about finger timing and if using the Index rather than the Pinky would be faster.
For me when I started trying to use the fourth valve, I just had to make a conscious decision to use it whenever I could. Also in places where fourth valve was easier and more convenient I would write it above my music just to make absolutely sure I would use it.
There were just too many pieces that required the 4th valve. Working to extend the chromatics to the lower ledger lines below the staff took a little extra work. Now those wonderful notes are part and parcel of all my playing. Thanks for a good overview.
I've already forgot how I changed 1+3 to 4, because it's a very nature thing for me. But after 10 years I took euphonium again and played, I found it's 4 valves on top(not 3+1 type), it drove me crazy!!!! So I restarted to use 1+3 instead of 4th on top. But recently I bought BE165 so I'm back to 3+1 type again. LOL
For me, I wanted a 5 valve tuba at the age of 11. That wasn't going to happen for good reasons. But my school had 3 and 4 valve tubas and 4 valve euphoniums. When we learned the first 5 notes, I noticed the euphoniums were using the 4th valve for C, B, F, and E. A year later, I was excited for the 4th valve!
I switched my fourth piston to a 4th rotary. Good decision. Works beautifully on my 1980s Besson tuba. Now use my 4v far more, especially when running around.
I switched from a 3 valve BBb tuba to a 5 valve CC tuba. All of the fingerings were different, so I just memorized low “D” and low “G” as 4, etc. Awesome video!
Thanks! Good tip, thanks for sharing!
Same I did too, what tuba do you play? I play a Meinl Weston 37.
this is the most well explained in regards of this 4th valve of my tuba. haha all hands down to you sir ☺
Thanks man! Appreciate it!
I play both TC & BC scores. I try to use 4th valve as much as possible. I agree that 4th vale can help get a note in tune that might be a bit to much off using 1st & 3rd valve.
I play an old Juipter JEP470 ( I call it my Chevy without hub caps). I had a brass instructor who pushed me to use the 4th valve. I am glad he did.
Personally, I use the 4th valve on my tuba a lot. I play C tuba, and 1|2|3 for my C# (B natural on BBb) usually is around 50 cents sharp. After watching this video, I used 2|4, and it was much better! Thank you for the tips!
Doge Music Productions glad to help! Thanks for checking out the video!!!
Actually, I started playing the euphonium as a new instrument freshman year in high school and I asked the student helping me about it and he told me about it and I ended up learning (and kinda teaching him) about the lower note fingerings of the "ghost register"
i got a inline 4 valve half a year after i started playing so i kind of just used it whenever it was convenient
I found that it was easier to use the forth valve
B natural 2-4 tends to be 15 cents flat on my euphonium, kinda a small trade off. As for practicing with the 4th valve. The Chaconne from Holst 1st Suite in Eb works well, find some bassoon/ bass clarinet parts (or just tell your band teacher you can cover the part if you don't have a bassoon player), looking at some tuba parts and play it as written can help. The Brass Gym has exercises which go down to the pedal range.
You should make a “How to use euphonium trigger” video
I try to use the 4th valve sparingly. My Besson Sovereign has a 4th valve slide thats too long so my C and F on the staff are naturally flat and my 1 and 3 for those notes are in tune so I’m a very rare exception
Me personally, for anyone that is kind of like me in this consent, i just went for it, i practically never was taught about it so I self learned that.
How can i play high notes. As i am really struggling with those right now
That is what I need too
I always suggest a health diet of long tones, lip slurs, and patience. It is a muscle that helps us produce the sounds we need to creat, so if we work out that muscle it should help us do more work.
I wish I could say something like "eat two raw eggs, and drink a mexican coke and youll be playing 4 octave scales in no time!" but I just don't believe that is the case.
I think I just mentally correctly myself and wrote 4 over Cs in the music until it became habitual.
Same here
Is 4’th valve instead of C? (But why, cos’ C is with no fingers, right?)
And what else notes can 4’th valve replace?
(Sorry, Im a beginner;-)
I just find it to be difficult to move my pinky independently with strength
Anyone know how to empty the spit valve for the 4th valve?
Typically, I have to pull out my 4th valve slide to empty it.
@@AKCEuph ok thank you
I'm a euphonium player myself but except my euphonium has three valves instead of four
Thats great! Glad you're playing Euphonium! Hopefully if you ever get a 4 valve one you can use this video to help you get the hang of the different fingerings! 😊
AKCEuph is the euphonium a type of tuba? Or a completely different instrument
@@godzillapowerpufffan8142 It is in the tuba family, some consider it a Tenor Tuba. =)
Thank you for telling me😊❤️️👍
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Gloria Loh :)
Forced myself
Those of you who have already started using the 4th valve, what tips do you have?
Use the fourth valve for Bb to Eb trills so you can do them without moving valves
First, I practice simple songs and scales with the forth valve and once I moved on, I started to use it with the songs I was actually playing for band and Symphony.
Practice.