@@charmychong-zz1tu I wasn’t saying im expecting perfection. I was saying that people do and I agree with you, that we should not do that. Thanks for the kind words as well! Have a great day
@@qsi4xs588 idolizing is putting something above God. An example in this case being if an influencer said something and you take it as radical truth than the Bible then your idolizing them, Also if instead of going to God in prayer or reading the word of Hod your just thinking about what the influencer could have done, then that’s idolizing. Instead of saying what would Jesus do, your like what would “influencer “ do. That and more is idolization
I think acknowledging that they know more isn’t bad, but taking their word for everything instead of reading the actual word is where it can be a slippery slope
@@AndrewWYTor even having your own personal relationship with Jesus. Like going to Him in prayer asking “am i interpreting this the way You want me to?” Something i noticed in my seminary friends. It seems as if they rely on their professors and influencers to give them the answers to their questions.
Its good to watch these influencers. Its not wrong to watch them all the time. but remember what our true intentions are. we aren't supposed to watch them as idols. I watch cliffe because im genuinely learning outside of my own research.
Yea I used him for more of a more famous figure, but I do think spending all your time watching stuff instead of doing stuff for the kingdom is more harmful then good
@@AndrewWYTprobably, it’s still good to watch them though and learn more Bible knowledge. I like Kliffe a lot though. But we are still supposed to preach the Word and fill ourselves up with the Word.
Everytime I see them I usually hear something I disagree with because I also study the bible on my own. So its easy for me not to idolize when I know they are just regular humans that are also on the same journey of finding truth and can get some things wrong. Some I dont disagree with on the biblical interpretations (such as the answers in genesis crowd) but I can see how their hearts are too invested into politics/nationalism which also tells me I shouldn't align my self completely with their teachings.
I definitely agree that no one should idolize any human being, but to say that we should only reserve our role models to people presently in our lives is to undermine the witness of the saints over the 2000 year Christian history. The saints are vital intercessors in our prayers to God that most definitely should be looked to for help in drawing closer to God. This idea also risks taking away the great things that saints have done through God and for God. God doesn't control his people. People can do great and heroic things in order to give glory to God on the basis of the free will that He has granted us. That, of course, should be honored 'Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven. ' Matthew 5:16 The Baltimore Catechism #3, Lesson 17 speaks on this as well: Q. 215. Why do we honor the saints in heaven? A. We honor the saints in heaven because they practiced great virtue when they were on earth, and because in honoring those who are the chosen friends of God we honor God Himself. While its unclear to us if someone on earth who acts as a role model will at some point stumble into sin again, we should nevertheless honor the good things that they have done in giving glory to God
I’m not catholic but Im not saying you should not look to prominent Christian figures in history for some wisdom. Main point I was making was not people from social media that are portraying false imagery. Thanks for commenting
facts. I don't like when ppl idolize christians who are famous, cuz in the end we are all human and our worth is all the same in gods sight. I would say its okay to watch them to inspire or even grow in faith as long as you keep in mind they are just human as well as you.
yea for sure, I think it can happen for everyone, including non christians, to idolize who we see on social medias and such. But as Christians the only one we should worship and boast about is the Creator (2 Corinthians 10:17)! Just for entertainment or even inspiration like you said, I think is fine
I don’t agree with everything you said. I do agree though that a more older mature Christian is better to take advice from than a 18 year old. There’s a lot of teenager/young adults who got saved not too long ago and are are acting like credible sources. That’s a good point you made. With so many young Christians who are still maturing and forming their theology there’s a lot of confusing and contradictory content posted on social media. A Christian who’s been in the faith for way longer and has years of study of Gods Word is the go to for theological teaching and advice. Thanks for sharing that point a lot of people need to understand that.
Ay man that’s kinda the whole point of the video! You don’t even need to listen to what I said ironically 😂 thanks for the comment and hope to see you around here more!
It's all about being careful in the spirit. A Christian would know not to idolize these people but I understand that many Christians do this today. But that's not saying Christian influencers aren't helpful.
yeah the title is kinda clickbaity, but the essence of the video is really to not idolize Christian influencers. Easier said than done for a lot of people and wanted to send this out as a PSA kinda thing
I like the material of your video. The title and thumbnail are a bit click-baity, though, brother. I, personally, feel the Christian community should remain above such things. Keep up the good content, bro.
Yo man am not a christian BUT am struggling with doubts like ; what if God is actually a fairy tale, what if everything is meaningless, also issues with Bible like Noahs ark, old testament etc ...thnx
@@AndrewWYT oh wow thnx for the reply g ✌️ I believe in a non religious God as much as I want to believe in Jesus. I believe in a supreme good force because of my personal experiences and the arguments for God. Like I said , i struggle with doubts at times like what if it's just hallucination or what if it's all a myth
if you remove the god part, this is a lesson for everyone. stop idolizing people, it will only hurt you. the day will come that your idol does something you disagree with and if you are unlucky, it wont only make you question your idol but the whole concept this person embodied. thats how love turns into hate.
yea for sure, but a lot of the time it can turn to a consuming addiction and we watch these guys more than being in God's presence. A dangerous place to be!
Well, let me say this as a Christian. I will definitely follow every Christian on social media to keep non Christian content off my page. So it goes back to me, I have to have my own journey with God. And if others are spreading whatever on social media, let Christians also spread the gospel. I will never blame my fall as a Christian on another, it’s my salvation. We take Jesus as a personal Lord and Savior and that Jesus is found in scriptures. So regardless of what people are preaching online the gospel has the truth. I ain’t against Christian influences because they are choosing to bring Christ to the world regardless of how whether mature on not. But my brother, it’s wrong in the first place to assume someone is perfect or got it right because of their social media content. That’s like 1% of someone’s life for you to conclude such. So personally I can’t blame my fall on an influencer never. Lastly if others are using social media for God knows what, let Christians also use it to bring the gospel to people. Pray for discernment and God will guide you❤
agree with your points bro! I think it's easier said than done for a lot of people on social media all the time. we start to watch these people more than being in prayer and the Word, and that's a dangerous place to be. thanks for commenting 🔥
@@AndrewWYT You’re welcome. Another thing is this, I don’t know if this video was intended for men but am actually a lady. So I am your sis in Christ 😅
I don’t think it’s disrespectful at all, and the irony isn’t lost on me. How else am I gonna reach you if you’re too busy on social medias? Gotta meet you where you’re at in my opinion
@@AndrewWYT Good point on the social media part. What I mean with irony is that you are both Christian, me too :), and an influencer (you are trying to influence me). Therefore, by calling me to stop watching Christian influencers you are telling me to stop watching you.
The thing is, is that a lot of these influencers really DON’T know better all the time and they can misguide you at times. I also find it funny this guy used the classic “this is a sign” video title that every generic Christian influencer uses. Really need to stop using such titles, they are a tad scummy although I know it is not his intention
yeah I will get away from the titles, well try my best lol. I also thought it was a dumb subtle dad joke with the stop sign in the thumbnail, idk im having fun with it lol. Also, to your first point, that is very true, they can be spouting out whatever they consumed prior to and not really have any knowledge about what they're talking about. another reason to think for yourself ! Thanks for commenting
TH-cam influencer telling people to stop watching influencers because it’s potentially idolatrous is funny… but wait, does that make listening to your church pastor every week idolatry, especially when he live broadcasts on YT or FB? Also don’t forget to follow the link to donate $100 to this guy’s TH-cam ministry 😂
God bless you brother, thanks for the comment. The whole point of this video is that you are just watching what only good stuff these people post instead of being in actual fellowship with them, leading you to a false perspective of their life. also, the only thing I plugged was my FREE community for Christian men, which you should join bro. thanks for being here again
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i dont idolize these people, i respect them and want to learn from them. no glazing
lol you watch people, but the whole point is to look at them as humans and don’t expect perfection because it can affect you
@@AndrewWYT its wrong of you to assume we automatically expect perfection from them dude
@@AndrewWYT other than that i really think this video was admonishing and encouraging.
@@charmychong-zz1tu I wasn’t saying im expecting perfection. I was saying that people do and I agree with you, that we should not do that. Thanks for the kind words as well! Have a great day
@@AndrewWYT im sorry i misunderstood ya, you have a good one too(:
i don't exactly idolise them. The only thing ive thought of was " oh wow he knows sm better than me which is true " idk if thats idolising or not
@@qsi4xs588 idolizing is putting something above God. An example in this case being if an influencer said something and you take it as radical truth than the Bible then your idolizing them, Also if instead of going to God in prayer or reading the word of Hod your just thinking about what the influencer could have done, then that’s idolizing. Instead of saying what would Jesus do, your like what would “influencer “ do. That and more is idolization
I think acknowledging that they know more isn’t bad, but taking their word for everything instead of reading the actual word is where it can be a slippery slope
@@AndrewWYTor even having your own personal relationship with Jesus. Like going to Him in prayer asking “am i interpreting this the way You want me to?” Something i noticed in my seminary friends. It seems as if they rely on their professors and influencers to give them the answers to their questions.
Its good to watch these influencers. Its not wrong to watch them all the time. but remember what our true intentions are. we aren't supposed to watch them as idols. I watch cliffe because im genuinely learning outside of my own research.
Yea I used him for more of a more famous figure, but I do think spending all your time watching stuff instead of doing stuff for the kingdom is more harmful then good
@@AndrewWYTprobably, it’s still good to watch them though and learn more Bible knowledge. I like Kliffe a lot though. But we are still supposed to preach the Word and fill ourselves up with the Word.
isnt this why Cliffe says "dont take it from me"
Yes! Even he makes my point
I don't ideolize them, I just learn from them ❤😊
amen
Everytime I see them I usually hear something I disagree with because I also study the bible on my own. So its easy for me not to idolize when I know they are just regular humans that are also on the same journey of finding truth and can get some things wrong.
Some I dont disagree with on the biblical interpretations (such as the answers in genesis crowd) but I can see how their hearts are too invested into politics/nationalism which also tells me I shouldn't align my self completely with their teachings.
yeah that's the key! study the word on your own!
I definitely agree that no one should idolize any human being, but to say that we should only reserve our role models to people presently in our lives is to undermine the witness of the saints over the 2000 year Christian history. The saints are vital intercessors in our prayers to God that most definitely should be looked to for help in drawing closer to God. This idea also risks taking away the great things that saints have done through God and for God. God doesn't control his people. People can do great and heroic things in order to give glory to God on the basis of the free will that He has granted us. That, of course, should be honored
'Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven. ' Matthew 5:16
The Baltimore Catechism #3, Lesson 17 speaks on this as well:
Q. 215. Why do we honor the saints in heaven?
A. We honor the saints in heaven because they practiced great virtue when they were on earth, and because in honoring those who are the chosen friends of God we honor God Himself.
While its unclear to us if someone on earth who acts as a role model will at some point stumble into sin again, we should nevertheless honor the good things that they have done in giving glory to God
I’m not catholic but Im not saying you should not look to prominent Christian figures in history for some wisdom. Main point I was making was not people from social media that are portraying false imagery. Thanks for commenting
Instead of stopping we shall limit i see
facts. I don't like when ppl idolize christians who are famous, cuz in the end we are all human and our worth is all the same in gods sight. I would say its okay to watch them to inspire or even grow in faith as long as you keep in mind they are just human as well as you.
yea for sure, I think it can happen for everyone, including non christians, to idolize who we see on social medias and such. But as Christians the only one we should worship and boast about is the Creator (2 Corinthians 10:17)! Just for entertainment or even inspiration like you said, I think is fine
I don’t agree with everything you said. I do agree though that a more older mature Christian is better to take advice from than a 18 year old. There’s a lot of teenager/young adults who got saved not too long ago and are are acting like credible sources. That’s a good point you made. With so many young Christians who are still maturing and forming their theology there’s a lot of confusing and contradictory content posted on social media. A Christian who’s been in the faith for way longer and has years of study of Gods Word is the go to for theological teaching and advice. Thanks for sharing that point a lot of people need to understand that.
Ay man that’s kinda the whole point of the video! You don’t even need to listen to what I said ironically 😂 thanks for the comment and hope to see you around here more!
It's all about being careful in the spirit. A Christian would know not to idolize these people but I understand that many Christians do this today. But that's not saying Christian influencers aren't helpful.
yeah the title is kinda clickbaity, but the essence of the video is really to not idolize Christian influencers. Easier said than done for a lot of people and wanted to send this out as a PSA kinda thing
@@AndrewWYT I hope you refrain from clickbait in the future, gotta promote discernment not the whole 'this guy is a false prophet' rodeo
I like the material of your video. The title and thumbnail are a bit click-baity, though, brother. I, personally, feel the Christian community should remain above such things. Keep up the good content, bro.
@@manqobashongwe1301 thanks bro Im gonna be toning it down for sure
I learned my lesson idolizing men
care to elaborate?
@@AndrewWYT I idolized Paul washer and Shawn McCraney
I don't Idolize them
Yo man am not a christian BUT am struggling with doubts like ; what if God is actually a fairy tale, what if everything is meaningless, also issues with Bible like Noahs ark, old testament etc ...thnx
hey man, if you are not a Christian, how are you struggling with these thoughts? what is your belief?
@@AndrewWYT oh wow thnx for the reply g ✌️
I believe in a non religious God as much as I want to believe in Jesus.
I believe in a supreme good force because of my personal experiences and the arguments for God.
Like I said , i struggle with doubts at times like what if it's just hallucination or what if it's all a myth
if you remove the god part, this is a lesson for everyone. stop idolizing people, it will only hurt you. the day will come that your idol does something you disagree with and if you are unlucky, it wont only make you question your idol but the whole concept this person embodied. thats how love turns into hate.
Very true, very quickly can a true fan turn into a true hater. Thanks for commenting!
But these guys are always good to watch limited time for faith growth and wisdom
yea for sure, but a lot of the time it can turn to a consuming addiction and we watch these guys more than being in God's presence. A dangerous place to be!
Well, let me say this as a Christian. I will definitely follow every Christian on social media to keep non Christian content off my page. So it goes back to me, I have to have my own journey with God. And if others are spreading whatever on social media, let Christians also spread the gospel. I will never blame my fall as a Christian on another, it’s my salvation. We take Jesus as a personal Lord and Savior and that Jesus is found in scriptures. So regardless of what people are preaching online the gospel has the truth. I ain’t against Christian influences because they are choosing to bring Christ to the world regardless of how whether mature on not. But my brother, it’s wrong in the first place to assume someone is perfect or got it right because of their social media content. That’s like 1% of someone’s life for you to conclude such. So personally I can’t blame my fall on an influencer never. Lastly if others are using social media for God knows what, let Christians also use it to bring the gospel to people. Pray for discernment and God will guide you❤
agree with your points bro! I think it's easier said than done for a lot of people on social media all the time. we start to watch these people more than being in prayer and the Word, and that's a dangerous place to be. thanks for commenting 🔥
@@AndrewWYT You’re welcome. Another thing is this, I don’t know if this video was intended for men but am actually a lady. So I am your sis in Christ 😅
Well you’re welcome here too sister! My target audience is young men though, but these principles can be applied to everyone imo
I don't get the point but I guess it is a valid point I just don;t get discouraged
point is don't idolize anyone but God!
I'm mormon, and I don't agree with the influencers.
To each their own
Thank you for your view. But this video is very ironic. Also, to use Cliffe's face in the thumbnail is disrespectful.
I don’t think it’s disrespectful at all, and the irony isn’t lost on me. How else am I gonna reach you if you’re too busy on social medias? Gotta meet you where you’re at in my opinion
@@AndrewWYT Good point on the social media part. What I mean with irony is that you are both Christian, me too :), and an influencer (you are trying to influence me). Therefore, by calling me to stop watching Christian influencers you are telling me to stop watching you.
The thing is, is that a lot of these influencers really DON’T know better all the time and they can misguide you at times.
I also find it funny this guy used the classic “this is a sign” video title that every generic Christian influencer uses. Really need to stop using such titles, they are a tad scummy although I know it is not his intention
yeah I will get away from the titles, well try my best lol. I also thought it was a dumb subtle dad joke with the stop sign in the thumbnail, idk im having fun with it lol. Also, to your first point, that is very true, they can be spouting out whatever they consumed prior to and not really have any knowledge about what they're talking about. another reason to think for yourself ! Thanks for commenting
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TH-cam influencer telling people to stop watching influencers because it’s potentially idolatrous is funny… but wait, does that make listening to your church pastor every week idolatry, especially when he live broadcasts on YT or FB?
Also don’t forget to follow the link to donate $100 to this guy’s TH-cam ministry 😂
God bless you brother, thanks for the comment. The whole point of this video is that you are just watching what only good stuff these people post instead of being in actual fellowship with them, leading you to a false perspective of their life. also, the only thing I plugged was my FREE community for Christian men, which you should join bro. thanks for being here again
Christian influencer saying not to watch Christian influencer
Ay you caught me, he knows too much. Jk but fight fire with fire?