Garage blog with the W123 and Alfa 145
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ย. 2019
- A morning blog in the garage with the Mercedes 230E W123 and Alfa 145, and some waffle about cameras and stuff.
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Something amusing about talking about the old camera not being in focus and the new super camera while you weren't in focus...
Irony meter overladed...Found the problem - you have to set eye detection in video and stills mode, a good feature as you can have it set up as 2 different cameras, as long as you know its there!
ALFA ROMEO was beautifully in focus though. lol
Having had a few mercs of this vintage I would suggest its either Sun Roof Drains or bulk head cowl drains that are blocked and letting water inside the car as apposed to drining it away from the car :(
That sounds about right as the footwell carpet is wet
@@furiousdriving I was into CB Radio back in the day and had an old antenna whip which i poked down the drains as you need something long thin that will flex to clear them out ;) Thats if your lucky I was biggest issue with these cars is the metal sunroof cassette often rots ot on the pipes in the corners so it could be leaking out before it has a chance to exit the drain pipes :(
Or the drain pipes might of become detatched or be holed?
not sure on 123 models i had 201 and 124's but should be similar? If you take off the A pillar trim and the plastic overhead windscreen trim that holds the sunvisors and interior light you should be able to get to the back of the sunroof drains. The bulhead drains if they are backed up standing water will overflow into you heaving vents and tubes and find its way in there :( Good Luck hope you find where its coming in?
Tip for you whenile you know its leaking get the carpets out,these old merks have huge foam pads built into the footwell carpets and it will soak up the water like a sponge and then happily eat the floors :(
Get them out and let the car dry out ;)
Yes drop the headlining etc anyway to dry it out properly.
I had a lot of problems with a leaking sunroof on my Tipo... rust and crud blocked the A-pillar drain tubes.
@@furiousdriving Lift the carpets and underlay... olsd newspares will absorb damp.
And open the windows whenever possible... a blower heater in the footwell will circulate warm damp air much better.
Front and rear screen rubbers will be needing removal and re sealing, the door cards are off and I see no door membranes, membranes are the thin plastic sheets, with no door membranes you might as well leave the windows open, i know this from working on and restoring 123's and other old Merc's,
As you say a deployment of a heater will dry it out but without the membranes and screens re sealed you will be fighting a losing battle, car cover is probably your best bet for the time being,
You need the correct sealer for the screens, I use 3M 08509 mastic as it never fully dry's out unlike other Mastics, also the boot rubber is a prime leak point,
Good luck
A good test to do if you’ve not already tried this is to disconnect all the feed pipes from the injectors and place them all into a jar or something to catch the fuel, then bridge the fuel pump out so it is constantly running, then press down the fuel distributer air flow plate thing down and observe for fuel coming out the lines, should be a decent flow out of all of them with the plate fully down.
If this is fine remove the injectors and attach them to the pipes, place them again into a jar and repeat the test, observing for a healthy amount of fuel being squirted from the injectors. If there is now no fuel the “threshold” pressure on the injectors is not being reached for them to open and squirt fuel.
It sounds like this “threshold” pressure isn’t being reached to me, I’d do these tests and then also measure the fuel pressure at the fuel distributer, making sure that the correct pressure is reached and also that it stays there with the pump switched off.
There will be a fuel pressure regulator near to the fuel distributer on the fuel return line, will have 2 fuel pipes on it and also a vacuum pipe. I think this is your problem, it must just be allowing fuel past without any restriction.
I have a 1994 Audi Coupe 16v with Bosch KE-Jet, it sat for 13 years before I got it and had plenty of teething issues with the fuel system, once sorted it’s a really good reliable system.
Just very glad I got to drive the Alfa before it had to go in for the MOT! It was a superb experience, thanks again, Matt.
Lyons coffee bags!!!??? As an Alfa Romeo owner I’d expect nothing less from you than Lavazza!
Without the windows open that heater is just redistributing the moisture inside, the moisture has nowhere to go. I feel for you and I think for the speedy and effective benefits, a dehumidifier would be a good way forward.
I wonder how old the fuel is in the Mercedes? I wpuld suggest that first, thrn poss low fuel pressure especially if the pump is really buzzy. Try an assistant to slightly push the flow plate down as you crank. If it is set up wrong fuel will not be reaching the injectors. Hope things look up for you my friend, you looked really dejected at the end.
New pump and fresh fuel, had that battle already. Have tried pushing the plate to no avail. Its been a year of agro Im ready for it to work now!
Set a small dehumidifier running in the merc , i use one in my garage
I used to in my MR2 all the time!
Stick a good dehumidifier and then a heater inside for a day. Phooooeeeee bet it pongs in there!
Nope, just the same as before!
Try the sunroof drains they get clogged and water leaks in through the sun roof
Take out an injector and check if it's squirting fuel. If not its still a problem with the distribution block or upstream fuel supply
Did that before the re-rebuild, they were dry then and this is still behaving the same but fuel is making it to the distributor
@@furiousdriving You didn't re-build the distributor correctly or there is some other problem a knowedgable fuel injection skilled mechanic would fix.
There is an adjustment for the internal plunger in the fuel distributor in the middle of the fuel distributor. ....adjust it in(clockwise) 1 turn to richen the mixture. also you have to confirm if anything is squirting out of the injectors. If the plunger is activated in the distributor(via the air flap) fuel should make it through if the overall pressure is sufficient.
I had the party popper out again ready to pull when the Merc started. I've put it back in the drawer now til next time. Is it worth rigging up a temporary fuel tank/bottle to bypass the tank and pipework? Cant remember if you've done that already or not.
Closest is squirting fuel into the inlet, which seems to work
I feel your pain as I've been there with a few of my projects. I'm afraid the Merc' would be off to allow more time for the others if it were me. Still chin up and keep plugging away.
I noted a couple of drips from the oil filter flange but it looked like coolant. There are a couple of pipes there which could be for a water cooler? Anyway that might be the source of your territory marking and why your coolant level drops. www.amazon.co.uk/Torch-Detection-Cooling-Antifreeze-System/dp/B00TU8VCB4
MB will run for a second or two on easy start even if the injectors aren't working. Injectors into jars and see if they are working. Or, loosen the injector feeds enough for them to leak, might also need bleeding.
Great blog mate... But your new camera is waaaay out of focus. The I phone footage is much sharper... Shame about the old merc.. Get yer self a cheap dehumidifier. It takes ages to dry out but once it's dry it will keep it dry.. Also get some cat litter and it will soak up the moisture.. 😃
Since the car is getting fuel and spark the other thing to look at is timing but then it goes on the easy start stuff which also indicates that the distribution block is doing something as well so I'm inclined to believe there are electronic issues
The easy start is going in after the dist block, so bypassing it - that suggests thats where the problem is I think
And there was me thinking of giving you the spare key to the Hyundai!
Not sure if I've missed some videos but when you installed the fuel pump, it had a pathetic little flow. Needs a good solid flow around 60psi. Don't know if yours runs on one main pump or if it has a smaller pump in the tank as well?
Ive not gone into that yet, the car has an electric pump in the engine bay (normal place) as they always suffered from vapour lock, I need to see if its capable of feeding this motor.
Oh dear we all have days like this, we'll those of us with cars that aren't new. Re the merc have you checked fuel pressure to the distribution block is it in spec have you tested the injectors spray pattern. I'm sure u know but a great source of info is Mercedessource on YT. Good luck.
I find that cloths just don't get rid of water on glass, metal or other smooth surfaces. Karcher Windovac removes water completely.
Just a thought how old is the petrol in the Mercedes ? As I wonder if you set up a bottle with fresh petrol might help ?
Sadly done that. Leaky pipes (found after fitting new fuel pump) mean it drained the tank over the floor....
Have you considered cat litter to help absorb some of the atmospheric moisture
and if you put the litter tray on the driving seat you can have a pee when stuck in a jam - I like it!
I hadnt, no - cheaper than the chemical ones as well Id guess
Perfect, who needs old drinks bottles anymore!
The fuel issue on the old Mercedes, a bit random the feed and return are they in the right connections? Or throttle position sensor problem?
Its hard line so they can only go one way around as you physically cant move them to the wrong one
furiousdriving Ahhh so it’s not that, one potential eradicated, it must be sooo annoying to try to figure it, it’s not got a mechanical fuel timer or anything has it ? It’s obviously not the ignition as it starts on spray easy start I noticed, a couple of years ago we had as 2nd car a Mercedes and oddly the Cam position sensor caused poor starting and fails to start and wouldn’t move past 2nd gear ⚙️ on auto-shifter
@@paulillingworth1242 Thats all the K Jetronic stuff, black magic really!
furiousdriving lol seems a little bit different 😎
I had a lwb 1985 w123 it was alwayways wet in side no sun roof my last w123 a 1983 never ever got wet
is the fuel not bad in the merc?
no, its all fresh
Oh dear, just one of those dispiriting days. They happen sometimes. Also, apart from the bits you filmed on your phone, everything else is out of focus, some of it shockingly so. What's with the new camera? Better of just using the phone I think. Good luck with the Merc and MOT. Cheers.
Found the problem - you have to set eye detection in video AND stills mode, a good feature as you can have it set up as 2 different cameras, as long as you know its there!
Thanks Matt. We all jumped on you, didn't we and I feel a bit bad about it. It is a tough thing being a TH-cam presenter when we all expect so much. The camera sounds way too complicated. Love your channel. Cheers.
Cars are fun, same as computers! Hehe! 😊
I guess the Merc is too old to have a map sensor on it... I had a faulty one on my fiat and it broke my heart giving all sorts of symptoms and 21 faults on the obd1 port. In your case I'd say old fuel or fuel pressure is the cause. Good luck Matt
Yes too old and all mechanical, but fresh fuel, new pump and pipes further back
is it possible to go for an electric conversion on the merc instead?
Electric cars are so dull though
I had thought of this! Its only the cost stopping me
Are you sure it’s the fuel system preventing it from starting up?
@@RobRandomVids Imk sure it is, its getting a spark and the timing much be right or it wouldn't fire on the easy start
And fresh fuel is getting through the fuel lines? I’m guessing the answer’s yes but thought I’d ask
Edit - just noticed you’ve answered this in another comment thread, whoops.
Old cars! Why do we do this to ourselves! Don't get too disheartened Matt. Sounds as though the Mercedes is so nearly there, I'm sure you'll crack it. Many thanks for the update.
I really enjoy your videos, and am a subscriber, and also make extremely poor quality videos myself once in a blue moon (and NEVER make good quality videos), but I can't help wanting to point out in a constructive way that ironically the entire section about the new camera leaves the subject (you) out of focus, and the the best bit is when you switched to your phone! Such is life! Technology is the worst.
Ironic I know.. Found the problem - you have to set eye detection in video AND stills mode, a good feature as you can have it set up as 2 different cameras, as long as you know its there!
Condensation in the fuel?!
I want that Alfa sign so bad
I was thinking that too.
Make him an offer, he looks pretty desperate :)
Im keeping the sign, you can have the Merc...
Took years to find that!
you can also test fuel pressures. I don't have the spec for your car, but see on mine the same principle. Mine is an 87 KE jet, so the bit about EHA is not relevent, but the standard K still needs the right fuel pressure. Injectors won't fire if the fuel pressure is too low. www.classicjalopy.com/2019/11/ke-jetronic-eha-adjustment/
Could you trailer it to a new rented garage? Shame to see your project potentially detoriating. Do any local ish viewers have any garage space? Great videos 😁
If I had another garage I would
‘Let’s do some real work’... proceeds to drink tea.
That is the British precursor to any work taking place, usually followed by ‘right’
furiousdriving We don’t do that in Norfolk... 😜
Why don't you make a little roof over your outdoor carpark?
Thats on my list of things to do
I have not seen all of the videos so some things you may have already done. Not in any real order.
Thoroughly check the ignition electrics. Including any relays.
Check the timing.
Use a spanner to tighten the battery connections. This ensures you have full power for the car.
Ensure that the ignition system is not damp.
Check if fuel is actually getting to the injectors and that the injectors are working correctly. This means knowing how to check the relay(s).
Maybe reach out to Mercedessource in the USA. th-cam.com/users/Mercedessource.
You are not the only one to have spilt oil when changing it, this week.
Lastly return that new camera as it is giving an image as if there is still a plastic lens protector on it.
Done all of that, relays work, new injectors, getting spark, fuel is reaching the distributor but no further so it must be this?
Found the camera problem - you have to set eye detection in video and stills mode, a good feature as you can have it set up as 2 different cameras, as long as you know its there!
Time to swap a om606 into the merc
Honestly, with the car leaking like that, I think you'd be best off removing the interior...Seats, carpet, headlining. Can't you build some sort of makeshift lean-to off the side of the garage to protect the Benz, and cars that you're not driving daily. Something inbetween the garage and fence (by the Rover in the video) Dunno if there's the room or if the wife would approve. Suspect getting the wife to approve would be easier said than done. Ideally you need to find where the water's coming in from. Do you know who makes the Alfa filters? You could then probably get a OEM one from the actual brand. That's what I've done with the VW, admittedly its not as delicate. Could Stevensons Mercedes in New Hythe (that's what Google calls it) around Leybourne shed any light on the W123? There's a few pictures of them working on older Mercedes' and they've got good reviews. Not dealt with them first hand, however.
The phone footage looks better than the camera ?
Found the problem - you have to set eye detection in video and stills mode, a good feature as you can have it set up as 2 different cameras, as long as you know its there!
are you injectors spraying or gummed up? Perhaps you could test the spray pattern and see.
The use of long stored fuel and future corrosion of fuel systems are quite serious now that Europe has gone all Ethanol additive fuels. www.theaa.com/driving-advice/fuels-environment/biofuels
www.footmanjames.co.uk/blog/ethanol-a-classic-threat
New injectors, but I dont think fuel is reaching them
didnt see any axle stands being used under the alfa ?
only stuck an arm under, just needed it high enough to slide a catch tray under or wouldn't have jacked it at all
@@furiousdriving still more risk than is worth it
@@cartman668222 I literally couldnt fit anything under to support it. If it fell it wouldn't even touch my arm, if not for the drip tray I wouldn't have bothered to jack it
furiousdriving it’s very low to the ground so would probably have done you some damage if the jack had failed but it’s your life
Keep the Alfa!!
Its not for sale!
personally i would lock the auto focus off and do it fully manual most of the video was way out of focus
Found the problem - you have to set eye detection in video and stills mode, a good feature as you can have it set up as 2 different cameras, as long as you know its there!
@@furiousdriving Glad you managed sort it out myfriend keep up the great vids
A few empty containers full of salt in the merc will keep the damp away
Just don't fill the containers up that much!
Next video: Build A DIY Car Port
Unfortunately the video from you wall mounted camera was all over the place, either the Alfa sign or your coffee cup on the red toolbox were in focus, but not yourself. Your overhead footage was better, though with a slight fish-eye effect. The outdoor filming was spot on though! Shame the Merc didn’t start 🙁
Found the problem - you have to set eye detection in video AND stills mode, a good feature as you can have it set up as 2 different cameras, as long as you know its there!
Can't you use incandescent lightbulbs too keep warm? I use two 100w bulbs in my workspace in the winter, it;s always nice and warm.
Sorry climate people..
27:55 ........ poltergeist
Keep heart - I have 4 cars and 75% of them do not work... Worth watching oil filter reviews - most brands are the same, one brand is really poor quality and should be avoided! Thank you for the video :-)
Who's going to Win The Merc or Mr Furious? My monies on Mrs Furious its got to Go!!!!!
Thats an ongoing battle of wills...
@@furiousdriving and that ladies and gentlemen is the essence of all marriages😁
But....but...to my eyes, at least (and in the first half of the video), the focal plane of your new NICK-on (really? Ah, yet another difference: we say NYE-kon. And the Japanese apparently say NEE-kon. So there we are.) is on the items back against the wall behind you and on the wall itself. Instead of on you. Oh, wait! At 16:15 it's not focused anywhere! Muuuuch better! :-)
Found the problem - you have to set eye detection in video AND stills mode, a good feature as you can have it set up as 2 different cameras, as long as you know its there!
And yes, when I watch American videos with Nye-Cons (Jared Poplin Im talking to you!) I want to shout at the screen too!
@@furiousdriving In our defense, when Nikon ran TV commercials here in the U.S. they said they were "NY-kon". Much the same way that Toyota themselves (here, that is) called their car -- in their own commercials -- the "SELL-ih-kuh" and not "Suh-LEE-kuh."
As the owner of a w124 convertible i cant leave it for 5 mins without its getting damp, but yours is fucked, every part of it looks like scrap, id leave the heater in until the thing catches fire, you are doing the car a favour, good luck
Also my w124 has been at the garage since july, bloody roof refuses to work again and the central locking is dead, i hate it
Why don't you take the Merc to a German car specialist who knows these Bosch mechanical fuel injection systems? it's obvious you're out of your depth with the Merc's non starting. A specialist would get it running in no time.
Get a plectrum instead of using yr nails!😊
Throw the Alfa away and build up the Merc. He's worth it. The Alfa not.
scrap it