This is something I always wonder. When a manufacturer says "we are retiring this car because it did not sell well", did anyone check to see how was this car being priced by the dealerships?
If they overprice the MR2 they are fools! A Porsche owner/buyer isn’t moving to a Toyota. Keep it at 45k at 60k you can get a C8 & that’s NO comparison to a 4 banger MR2.
@@EnhancedTrashBin Easier said than done. They’ll add that stuff to appeal to more than just enthusiasts. They need to sell these things to keep them alive, and if they don’t have stuff normal people want, they won’t survive long.
@@ludicrousspeeds4938 Sadly that is true, but even if they did still try to appeal to normal people, it's not like those consumers will buy it over camrys/corollas because of price tag and especially people that prefer bigger cars. Not to mention there is way cheaper options like Nissan (although they're mostly crap).
Toyota is going to be killing off their model before it's even released if they price the MR2 at the $60-70k range. Also the MR2 has already been hinted to be the FT-SE from a while back, and the Celica has been mostly in the dark by Toyota. The S-FR has been rumored to go into production since they are building a vehicle with Daihatsu and not Mazda. That vehicle is to be priced under the $20k range, "supposedly".
Too bad they won't do a split version with one having the 3cyl, 6-speed manual, RWD to keep cost and weight down and excitement max, then a GR version with the 2.0L, AWD hybrid, DCT.
@@thematthewsextonshow Righ? Then you can hit both markets, 50k and 70k, entry sports for the enthusiast, and higher-end sports. It would be like a Celica and a Supra for today both on the MR platform with mid-engine. I'd go for the first one, not just for the cost but for the thrill of driving. Too bad it probably won't occur to them.
I'd love a Celica or MR 2 as I'm single middle aged and admired those cars when I was growing up 90s early 2000s the only other car I wish Toyota would revive is the Camry Solara though in that case I'm partial to the Camry because my late maternal grandmother owned two as her last cars and younger brother inherited the last one when she stopped driving for med reasons in 2016 has less than 40k miles on it at 20 yrs. old
You mean The two out of 12k cars made? Though I don’t like how they handled the warranty issue, let’s not make it as if 9 out of 10 gr corollas had this happen to em…..
Has there ever been an AWD mid engine car? There aren't many mids to think of. Maybe a Lamborghini but those aren't even real cars. They're more like a cross between art,space ship and vibrating marital aid. I'd be happy with a slightly updated gen 2 MR2 with electric hub motors in front for under $30k. With a trunk while I am wishing. No more snap oversteer 😅.
I wanted a Supra for years and when I recently priced a new one locally, the otd is close to 70k. The new Tesla model 3 performance really upped its game offering more power and suspension upgrades, as well as the refreshed look. At 47.5k or 52k otd, I couldnt pass it up especially since it checked the boxes like 4 doors, safety, storage, comfort and that 17 speaker sound system. Ill never track a car and I dont get out to the canyons much so for far less money, i got a quicker awd car that has been a blast to drive. Sure it will depreciate faster but at the price and apr % and low insurance cost, it makes more sense financially for me. I hope they dont price out their potential customers with these exciting new offerings.
@@Mystic7001 Porsche isn’t just about the 400hp but the tuning of the chassis and engine the steering the feel the refinement, with Porsche you’re paying for more than just a name Toyota is good don’t get me wrong but no Toyota that I’ve ever seen competes at Porsche level
Move over Tesla!, Watch out Tesla!, and who can forget:THIS IS THE TESLA KILLER WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR! 10 years guys. Its been TEN years! Ive been reading that. This car is nice but this ain't "It" neither. IM No Elon lover but.........Did i say 10 years?
I love it when people speak on vehicles, that have no real idea what they're talking about... Instead of just reading words written by someone else, off of a teleprompter, maybe do some actual research. Wouldn't want to sound like an idiot.....
Its upsetting no one is putting theyre money where their mouth is a purchase a showroom car instead of a sudden. If you don't buy it they won't make it
@@Atech-yz2ko the only reason why I'm not in a Miata is because I'm 6'3" and my head was pressed against the roof. The BRZ is probably going to be my next car
They do understand. That's what the 86 is. The 86 is cheap because the costs are shared with Subaru. I doubt any low volume, 100% in house designed and built vehicle will be cheap anymore.
When Subaru talks about how it's low slung boxer engines have a lower center of gravity, I wonder how well it could work in a mid engine design like the MR2.
I've been thinking about a Subaru WRX engine in a Porsche to get past the bore scoring and IMS issues but the California air resource board would never go for it.@@bhuvstechworld9743
Not really, there are builds in pro drift where people get ~1000 from sr 20 and those engines still survive for quite some time@@EnriqueAThieleSolivan
If it's all wheel drive, wouldn't that be an MR4? LOL. This is so exciting. Toyota hasn't really made a decent sporty car in a long time (Supra = BMW, GR86 = Subaru). But $70,000? Come on! Like I have a hard time finding a nice car at $70k. Not sure this is really going back to the roots. More like going back to the trunk.
All I gt 2 Say is. It Brings Out dat Tng n U whn U C it. Dat Icon Supra Mk4 did dat Bad 2 a Lot of ppl. Dat They cnt Put d Newest above it. Dat's a True Classic. So dat's All I gt 2 Say. Design it n Design it n Look it Ovr Good. Thn U Feel. D Rest History. Oh, I 4gt. I Wntd 1 a dem Supra Mk4 so Bad. My Friend hd 1. Gt Plenty Girls w it. But I wz wy 2 Poor 2 hv 1. Tk 1 ovr d Newest Supra Any dy.
Saving combustion engines by not paying warranty’s for those engines blowing up lol just buy a type r Honda is the number one provider of f1 engines that’s real quality
What a shame that Toyota has lost its way as a value brand. At $70k the MR2, or as you describe an MR4 is asinine. It will be an epic failure like the Tacoma.
The Celica (cell-eee-ka) will be a hybrid with electric forward energy. Just a Prius with more power. The MR2 will be like a mini Lambo vewueltuero. Celica will be 250hp or less. MR2 will be 300.
EV motors are simply superior, but we are acting just like when the original ICE engines started replacing horse drawn buggies. Ignorance repeats itself.
Dealer Mark-ups will probably kill both cars.
This is something I always wonder.
When a manufacturer says "we are retiring this car because it did not sell well", did anyone check to see how was this car being priced by the dealerships?
Facts
And the crazy apr
If they overprice the MR2 they are fools! A Porsche owner/buyer isn’t moving to a Toyota. Keep it at 45k at 60k you can get a C8 & that’s NO comparison to a 4 banger MR2.
If they can push the price into the $30ks, that would be amazing.
@@ludicrousspeeds4938All they have to do is just not add any useless sensors stuff just mechanical then maybe.
@@EnhancedTrashBin Easier said than done. They’ll add that stuff to appeal to more than just enthusiasts. They need to sell these things to keep them alive, and if they don’t have stuff normal people want, they won’t survive long.
@@ludicrousspeeds4938 Sadly that is true, but even if they did still try to appeal to normal people, it's not like those consumers will buy it over camrys/corollas because of price tag and especially people that prefer bigger cars. Not to mention there is way cheaper options like Nissan (although they're mostly crap).
@@EnhancedTrashBin They’ve gotta get REAL creative with the marketing on these.
If it's solely a ice car I don't think the u.s would let them sell it here no matter how much we would want it.
That's dumb af
Toyota has brand new engines they will be able to sell those.
Toyota is going to be killing off their model before it's even released if they price the MR2 at the $60-70k range.
Also the MR2 has already been hinted to be the FT-SE from a while back, and the Celica has been mostly in the dark by Toyota. The S-FR has been rumored to go into production since they are building a vehicle with Daihatsu and not Mazda. That vehicle is to be priced under the $20k range, "supposedly".
Sounds good but will the engine make it off the lot without exploding or leaking oil or stalling ??
its a toyota,not an audi
Too bad they won't do a split version with one having the 3cyl, 6-speed manual, RWD to keep cost and weight down and excitement max, then a GR version with the 2.0L, AWD hybrid, DCT.
This is the way.
@@thematthewsextonshow Righ? Then you can hit both markets, 50k and 70k, entry sports for the enthusiast, and higher-end sports. It would be like a Celica and a Supra for today both on the MR platform with mid-engine. I'd go for the first one, not just for the cost but for the thrill of driving. Too bad it probably won't occur to them.
7:02 Sorry… did you say aw2 for the gen 2 mr2? w h a t?
I'd love a Celica or MR 2 as I'm single middle aged and admired those cars when I was growing up 90s early 2000s the only other car I wish Toyota would revive is the Camry Solara though in that case I'm partial to the Camry because my late maternal grandmother owned two as her last cars and younger brother inherited the last one when she stopped driving for med reasons in 2016 has less than 40k miles on it at 20 yrs. old
I'll believe it when I see it.
I hope the celica does not look like that 1:49 cause that could mean that the Celica is better than the Supra now
Price is meh imo
Are they gonna fix the catching on fire part?
You mean The two out of 12k cars made? Though I don’t like how they handled the warranty issue, let’s not make it as if 9 out of 10 gr corollas had this happen to em…..
I really like the audi style rs6 wheels on the red car at 7:52
If theyre gunning for the cayman they reallllyyyy need to get lotus on board
Lotus is dead. The Emira was there last breath before they switch to full electric as it is now own by a chinese company by the name of Geely
Has there ever been an AWD mid engine car? There aren't many mids to think of. Maybe a Lamborghini but those aren't even real cars. They're more like a cross between art,space ship and vibrating marital aid.
I'd be happy with a slightly updated gen 2 MR2 with electric hub motors in front for under $30k.
With a trunk while I am wishing.
No more snap oversteer 😅.
Audi R8 came is awd with a manual. V10 awd mid engine manual truly one for the history books.
Did Toyota just go full force Initial D?
Well, that pronunciation of Celica just sounded bizarre!! Not how I ever heard anybody pronounce the name in Australia!! 😂😂
I wanted a Supra for years and when I recently priced a new one locally, the otd is close to 70k. The new Tesla model 3 performance really upped its game offering more power and suspension upgrades, as well as the refreshed look. At 47.5k or 52k otd, I couldnt pass it up especially since it checked the boxes like 4 doors, safety, storage, comfort and that 17 speaker sound system. Ill never track a car and I dont get out to the canyons much so for far less money, i got a quicker awd car that has been a blast to drive. Sure it will depreciate faster but at the price and apr % and low insurance cost, it makes more sense financially for me. I hope they dont price out their potential customers with these exciting new offerings.
70K? No thanks.
70k for 400 hp !?!?!! 😂😂😂😂 what a joke
Porsche thanks that is worth 100k in a Cayman
@@Mystic7001 Porsche isn’t just about the 400hp but the tuning of the chassis and engine the steering the feel the refinement, with Porsche you’re paying for more than just a name
Toyota is good don’t get me wrong but no Toyota that I’ve ever seen competes at Porsche level
Move over Tesla!, Watch out Tesla!, and who can forget:THIS IS THE TESLA KILLER WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR! 10 years guys. Its been TEN years! Ive been reading that. This car is nice but this ain't "It" neither. IM No Elon lover but.........Did i say 10 years?
According to the cover it's actually BMW saving combustion engines 😂
This was very entertaining speculation, no substance however, hmmmmmm.
You can't underestimate the ability of the younger generations to over love the children. I mean, absolutely OVER LOVE the children.
Yeah nah. The only Toyota worth buying is the GR86. No 3cyl turbos, no 70k sports cars.
Who will actually build them? BMW? Subaru? Toyota hasn't made a good car this century.
One will have a Subaru engine and the other will have a BMW engine..... Smfh
they better be gas! i anit buying no EV
Fucc the toyotas bring some newness to the lecus coupe. Update the rc or make a is coupe
Hopefully it’s not like the Nissan Z. Over priced junk
Toyota = FAIL, FAIL, FAIL
I love it when people speak on vehicles, that have no real idea what they're talking about... Instead of just reading words written by someone else, off of a teleprompter, maybe do some actual research. Wouldn't want to sound like an idiot.....
Reality check! The only car manufacturers left in 5 years are Tesla and Chinese ev manufacturers 💀Legacy auto 💀
Obnoxious. Didn't you learn from the donuts?
It's upsetting that they don't understand that cheap manual sports cars are awesome
Its upsetting no one is putting theyre money where their mouth is a purchase a showroom car instead of a sudden. If you don't buy it they won't make it
@@Atech-yz2ko the only reason why I'm not in a Miata is because I'm 6'3" and my head was pressed against the roof. The BRZ is probably going to be my next car
They do understand. That's what the 86 is. The 86 is cheap because the costs are shared with Subaru. I doubt any low volume, 100% in house designed and built vehicle will be cheap anymore.
@@stedy142 we only have the Miata and the BRZ-86 for sub 30k sports cars. I don't see how we are disagreeing with my original comment.
and young people will still be priced out
EVs are not fully electric when diesel generators run the charge stations 😂😂
Still far less co2 per mile compared to gas.
screw charge stations, powering them from the home rooftop is the way to go
When Subaru talks about how it's low slung boxer engines have a lower center of gravity, I wonder how well it could work in a mid engine design like the MR2.
Look at the porsche cayman
I've been thinking about a Subaru WRX engine in a Porsche to get past the bore scoring and IMS issues but the California air resource board would never go for it.@@bhuvstechworld9743
Almost everyone with a BRZ would be happy if it came with a high revving toyota 4 banger in it. Not that i've talked to everyone.
@@jonboy602G16EGTS would do fine for me
400 on a 4-cylinder sounds good 🔥
Sounds like a granade ready to explode.
Not really, there are builds in pro drift where people get ~1000 from sr 20 and those engines still survive for quite some time@@EnriqueAThieleSolivan
@@EnriqueAThieleSolivanyou just don't know how to do eht
4:32 IS A GIANT RED FLAG. This thing will be expensive.
Tf? Mustang son.
The rims are tooo big in pics
If it's all wheel drive, wouldn't that be an MR4? LOL. This is so exciting. Toyota hasn't really made a decent sporty car in a long time (Supra = BMW, GR86 = Subaru). But $70,000? Come on! Like I have a hard time finding a nice car at $70k. Not sure this is really going back to the roots. More like going back to the trunk.
I wish they could revive the celica like the first gen and make an actual muscle car since that market is pretty slim
70k for a MR2?...rather get a Elise/Exige instead. The lost and true MR2. 70k for a MR2 is not going to fly.
All I gt 2 Say is. It Brings Out dat Tng n U whn U C it. Dat Icon Supra Mk4 did dat Bad 2 a Lot of ppl. Dat They cnt Put d Newest above it. Dat's a True Classic. So dat's All I gt 2 Say. Design it n Design it n Look it Ovr Good. Thn U Feel. D Rest History. Oh, I 4gt. I Wntd 1 a dem Supra Mk4 so Bad. My Friend hd 1. Gt Plenty Girls w it. But I wz wy 2 Poor 2 hv 1. Tk 1 ovr d Newest Supra Any dy.
Saving combustion engines by not paying warranty’s for those engines blowing up lol just buy a type r Honda is the number one provider of f1 engines that’s real quality
2:36 That Celica is a thing of beauty, looks better than the Supra if you ask me 👀
If they make the new MR2 affordable I can see a community built around it and make body kits for it.
Where did you get the "320 horsepower inline-6 turbo 3 cylinder from the GR-Yaris"?
Basically the new Celica is going to be the old bmw e46. “Sporty yet refined” 😂
Definitely something cool to see on the road but also something me or anyone my age wouldn’t be able to afford lmao
7:21 "SOME?" It lost all of it! The 3rd gen was so ugly it killed the car.
If they have Manual Transmission, I will immediately change to it with my M2
I dont care about horses, i care about feathers
Yeeeesss throw da EVs away get them out of here
With how unreliable Toyota Engines have been recently, I'm not sure they are saving anything.
Even so, it probably is still one of the most reliable cars next to lexus and hondas. 😅
What a shame that Toyota has lost its way as a value brand. At $70k the MR2, or as you describe an MR4 is asinine. It will be an epic failure like the Tacoma.
For that cash you could just buy an older supra at that point...
I urge nissan to take notes
Not going to buy it
More importantly. Will there be a manual?
Nah the mk5 is way better
Good electric “cars” are gay
😮
Their hybrid approach is leading the pack. Our new Lexus h has been a dream. Try it before you knock it!
Hybrids have more parts that can and will fail. I just want a simple cheap car. Hybrids are not the answer!
Dude, I want a Hybrid, fuck gas prices. I just don't wanna drive a Prius or a Tesla
The Celica (cell-eee-ka) will be a hybrid with electric forward energy. Just a Prius with more power. The MR2 will be like a mini Lambo vewueltuero. Celica will be 250hp or less. MR2 will be 300.
EV motors are simply superior, but we are acting just like when the original ICE engines started replacing horse drawn buggies.
Ignorance repeats itself.
Its not an aw2 its the sw20 sir #idealcars 7:02