14 years later...you're exactly right, well, GM owned the company at one point GM EMD, or Electro Motive Division. It's either a 567 or 645 engine series blower. I made a career working in these engines as used in stationary power on offshore drilling rigs.
jdoggybizzle told you where the blower came from umpteen pages ago. It's from an EMD 567 or 645 locomotive engine. It's a scavenging blower only and does not boost cylinder pressure. All it does is blow the spent gases out of the cylinder and provide a fresh air charge for the next cycle. It is a 2 stroke diesel with ported cylinder liners and is a terrific engine and very reliable
@@jack_orourke_sb Other comments suggest it's not from a locomotive but from an air compressor instead, which looks untrue. But given it's in the US there's an almost endless list of locomotives it could have come from
That giant blower is the coolset thing I've ever seen, looks like a caricature. I would love to have heard it run, for the second or two that it did. Thanks for this one!
Close, but when it comes to a blown head gasket it is the pressure that counts. Your comparison of a straw and a coffee can are spot on when considering what it takes to sustain combustion at a given boost level and at the same pressure there is a drastic difference in the volume of air they are transferring. However, when it comes to head gaskets, the surface area exposed to the cylinder bore is constant and volume has no effect, just pressure.
i have the dvd of this and the crazy blower. The dvd is called CRASH FEST and the guy did say the blower might have come from a freight train. Pretty crazy.
@Inklebonker1 Yup, they used it to solve the problem of engines running at a limited altitude due to the thinning of air but since the supercharger compresses air it greatly increased their ranges.
@68SSCAM That big block will get it turning, then the charger provides boost to the motor very quickly turning up the RPM's. Of course it will work, just the head bolts and everything else will stretch with that kind of boost put into it and cause catastrophic failure. If it was designed for a train, the diesel engine probably had at least 3/4" head bolts trying to hold it all together.
@zachlutes I know you are right about the diesels, I am a diesel mechanic and have seen several of the old blowers you are talking about. Trust me, I know from experience that mine shaft blowers HAVE been used on hot rods, I have one myself. Aerzen Positive Displacement Blowers (of the "Roots Blower" type design) have been manufactured since 1868 and today are highly developed standard production machines designed and adapted for a broad range of applications.
Blowers have been used for 70 Plus years on many different modes of transportation. The blowers that most people are familiar with such as the 6-71 and 8-71 all the way up to the 12-71 were originally on Detroit Diesel motors. The 6-71 was used on the 6V71 Detroit 2 stroke diesel engine and the 8-71 was used on the 8V71 Detroit diesel and so on. My father used to have an old Peterbilt with a supercharged 8V92 Detroit diesel. You can hear an old 2 stroke Detroit for miles. Very distinct sound
Probably around 5-10 pounds, but its not the psi that matters... it's the cfm when it comes to boosting a motor. Think 10psi through a straw and 10psi through a coffe can......
@Inklebonker1 jets dont use superchargers. and the only WWII fighter jet i know about was the germans ME-262. No one else was using fighter jets at that time. There were some supercharged aircraft engines however. The P-51 had a blower on it. Im sure there were some more.
@68SSCAM not quite. sure, it needs to be turned first, but have you ever had one of those things? you can turn them by hand easily. now, one that big is a different story, but the engine could still do it. theyre only hard to turn at higher speeds, where its already helping the engine out by giving it more air
at 1:12 when the car is at the starting line. You can see that the bars are already tweaked. You would think that someone would have noticed before then. I'm not blaming anyone, it's not like i haven't overlooked things in the past.
@ramairgto72 Maybe not. It would have to have some enormous injectors but with the amount of fuel it would have to pump without running lean, I don't think a conventional ignition system to fire it. Plus everyone is talking about engine power to turn it? Try finding a starter that might tun it. Even a high torque would squirm at the thought of turning that sucker over.
@acekazel still shocked that it was a rolls royce merlin engine that was the first. but i do remember that turbo charging was horrid for fighter planes.
In regards to the train engine blower. Just one cylinder on a prime mover is around 420 cubic inches. The max rpm of said engine is also about 2000rpms. So this blower would need a 12" diameter pulley to keep it in range. Lol.
it didn't break the bar, there's a mount that the wheelie bar is bolted too that was broken or cracked before the race. Should have checked the car before he drove onto the starting line
@GeneralTJWillys Okay i was tired then but what i meant to say referred to the fact that the aircraft in ww2 were classified in mainly 2 categories the radial engine aircraft (lots of power less aerodynamically advanced, confined to lower altitude) and the v engine aircraft (adequate power great aerodynamics, and could fly at higher altitudes) they could fly at higher altitudes because they use superchargers. Superchargers and other types of forced induction are desighned _CONT_
i know exactly where that race track is at because me and my husband go to that race track on an occasion when we can it is located between Fordland and Rogersville MO and it is a fun track to go to
@bruce51501 He said they got it running with the huge blower....but as soon as they blipped the throttle...it blew out all the gaskets....and they never tried again.
How much boost with a locomotive supercharger? Well, let's just put it this way: Take a GP-9 loco. (has a roots blower similar to the one on the car.) The blower from this loco is designed for its 12 - 16 cylinder (typically) motor with a 10" stroke, 8.5" bore, and 6 valves per cylinder. Remember, this is displacing 567 cubic inches PER CYLINDER on a V12-V16. Max RPM on the loco is around 800RPM: a car's idle. So... take a blower that is maxed out at a car's idle, blip the throttle, and boom.
If it was off a freight train, that's a diesel, and would be more than that. Hell, my truck, stock, runs around 30lbs of boost. But you're 100% about it being more volume, not more pressure. HOWEVER, when it hits the restriction of the intake manifold, that air has nowhere to go as easily, and you'll get MUCH higher pressures. Think about putting your finger over a running garden hose.
@Inklebonker1 Contradiction in terms there. "Inline 16"....for one....eludes to a PISTON engine, not a "fighter JET".....and two.....the WWII fighters used mainly either V-12 Allison or Merlin piston engines or some type of radial piston engine. Just clearing the air. ;)
Idk what happened with that blower at least, but from what I can tell from another commenter who said it came off an EMD 645 diesel engine, that giant diesel (an EMD 16-645-E6) used two of those blowers to supply 16 cylinders each of 645 cubic inches displacement with the necessary air. Other models used a hybrid turbo-supercharger that was gear driven via centrifugal clutch at low RPM and went full exhaust gas driven at higher rpm (like above 500 rpm or something). These beasts made upwards of 4000 horsepower at their 950 rpm redline, that's like 23 to 24 thousand foot-pounds of torque, hella monstrous those were.
When you figure in the sheer weight of the screws inside that (what I think) ventilation blower as well the power to turn them with enough force that would not bog the engine (I see no gear reduction of any kind other then belt cog) and produce pressure you start to fall into bull shit! Not to mention it looked like a injection hat sitting on top, the fuel would have to fall around 2 plus feet & still be in a mist to be combustive! It's BS to people that know blowers, & I do!
Me, an Iowan: Oh, come on there, bud. Can't just blow the head gaskets. Open that puppy right up and VAPORIZE them like a man. You got no hairs on your cobs or What?
soulfire22, you do know diesels use superchargers don't you? Ever hear of a 12v71 or a 16v71 two stroke Detroit Diesel? Some of those were factory made twin supercharged and quad turbo charged ON THE SAME MOTOR
@zietda2 i agree , to be a good rally driver , we need many guts , skills , and also intelligences ..but we dont have to hate the drag racer because they're good at their races ..i'm one of loeb's fans ..
He also went to an old air force scrap yard he said, and found a twin F16 engine. and looked at his buddy earl and said this has to be stuck on my nova. lol
@Inklebonker1 _CONT_ to force more air into the engine to prevent the engine from loosing power at high altitudes. At higher altitudes (doesn't matter if its a car or aircraft) air is thinner and the air fuel mixture in the engine becomes offset in a way that the engine does not produce enough power. Even right now i might be off on some facts because right now IM TIRED and don't feel like researching this thoroughly, so im just reciting from memory.
"EXPLAIN...THE GIANT...BLOWER."
And then my mouth freaking flies open at 2:25...this guy is just too cool!! XD
LOL I think it's a roots blower from an EMD locomotive 567 prime mover. The funny thing is that if I'm right, that blower was made by GM. LOL
So it's where it belongs 😂
EMD was indeed owned by GM at the time
It was I remember hearing about it
It’s still from a freight train so what’s ur point
14 years later...you're exactly right, well, GM owned the company at one point GM EMD, or Electro Motive Division. It's either a 567 or 645 engine series blower. I made a career working in these engines as used in stationary power on offshore drilling rigs.
jdoggybizzle told you where the blower came from umpteen pages ago. It's from an EMD 567 or 645 locomotive engine. It's a scavenging blower only and does not boost cylinder pressure. All it does is blow the spent gases out of the cylinder and provide a fresh air charge for the next cycle. It is a 2 stroke diesel with ported cylinder liners and is a terrific engine and very reliable
Blower is off an EMD 645 diesel engine, found in SD-40-2 diesel locomotives
Sd40-2s aren't blown
@@pootispiker2866 what locomotive is it from?
@@jack_orourke_sb Other comments suggest it's not from a locomotive but from an air compressor instead, which looks untrue. But given it's in the US there's an almost endless list of locomotives it could have come from
@@pootispiker2866they obviously are that’s where the blower came from
@@KenHughes-xj Shut up
Found out about this on TikTok, insane😂
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That giant blower is the coolset thing I've ever seen, looks like a caricature. I would love to have heard it run, for the second or two that it did. Thanks for this one!
if that motor could sustain the boost from that blower, imagine the torque that car will produce, wtf i really hope they get it going...some how
it’s 12 years later. possibly.
@@asleepyyoutuber doubt it :( can’t find a pass on the internet
Yea tik tok or TH-cam this is the only clip
Put it on a limo or a Cadillac Herse
Close, but when it comes to a blown head gasket it is the pressure that counts. Your comparison of a straw and a coffee can are spot on when considering what it takes to sustain combustion at a given boost level and at the same pressure there is a drastic difference in the volume of air they are transferring. However, when it comes to head gaskets, the surface area exposed to the cylinder bore is constant and volume has no effect, just pressure.
i have the dvd of this and the crazy blower. The dvd is called CRASH FEST and the guy did say the blower might have come from a freight train. Pretty crazy.
Thanks for sharing
@Inklebonker1 Yup, they used it to solve the problem of engines running at a limited altitude due to the thinning of air but since the supercharger compresses air it greatly increased their ranges.
@68SSCAM That big block will get it turning, then the charger provides boost to the motor very quickly turning up the RPM's. Of course it will work, just the head bolts and everything else will stretch with that kind of boost put into it and cause catastrophic failure. If it was designed for a train, the diesel engine probably had at least 3/4" head bolts trying to hold it all together.
@zachlutes I know you are right about the diesels, I am a diesel mechanic and have seen several of the old blowers you are talking about. Trust me, I know from experience that mine shaft blowers HAVE been used on hot rods, I have one myself.
Aerzen Positive Displacement Blowers (of the "Roots Blower" type design) have been manufactured since 1868 and today are highly developed standard production machines designed and adapted for a broad range of applications.
Woo man, that's a blower..killed 2 head gaskets too lol damn
If your blower doesn't have at least a 1 head gasket body count, do you even have a blower? Lol 😂👌
Blowers have been used for 70 Plus years on many different modes of transportation. The blowers that most people are familiar with such as the 6-71 and 8-71 all the way up to the 12-71 were originally on Detroit Diesel motors. The 6-71 was used on the 6V71 Detroit 2 stroke diesel engine and the 8-71 was used on the 8V71 Detroit diesel and so on. My father used to have an old Peterbilt with a supercharged 8V92 Detroit diesel. You can hear an old 2 stroke Detroit for miles. Very distinct sound
nothing better than the sound of a screamin jimmy
Amazing video That blower Is unbelievable. I would love to see it work. Thanks for posting.
Probably around 5-10 pounds, but its not the psi that matters... it's the cfm when it comes to boosting a motor. Think 10psi through a straw and 10psi through a coffe can......
Any updates on it? They ever take it down the road
Thanks to that good roll cage you saved your self about 10 G's
@Inklebonker1 WW2 didn't have fighter jets just prop planes like the P-51
What a down to earth kind of fellow
Had to find the original video, the clips are still getting spread around on socials.
the wheelie was at Ozark International Raceway in Rogersville, MO.. not sure where he is from though
@Inklebonker1 jets dont use superchargers. and the only WWII fighter jet i know about was the germans ME-262. No one else was using fighter jets at that time. There were some supercharged aircraft engines however. The P-51 had a blower on it. Im sure there were some more.
if you don't believe me go on Google, the 67's front end doesn't match the Camaro in this video but the 68's does so its clearly a 68
@68SSCAM not quite. sure, it needs to be turned first, but have you ever had one of those things? you can turn them by hand easily. now, one that big is a different story, but the engine could still do it. theyre only hard to turn at higher speeds, where its already helping the engine out by giving it more air
@Inklebonker1 those old planes used either a turbocharger or a super - turbocharger set up...i dont know if they came first or trains
at 1:12 when the car is at the starting line. You can see that the bars are already tweaked. You would think that someone would have noticed before then. I'm not blaming anyone, it's not like i haven't overlooked things in the past.
he said outlaw 10.5 so its running 2000 hp if i remember correct
had this urban hill billies vhs got dust in though smh by far my favorite drag racing tape
@dexter2433 planes used superchargers because they were more affective than turbos at higher altitude (p51 mustang, spitfire, p38 lightning)
'67 this car hasn't any sidemarker lamp on the fenders or quarter panels and it has vent windows. 68 gille though.
@soulfire22 From Wikipedia:
"The Roots design was commonly used on two-stroke diesel engines"
referring to Roots blowers.
@68SSCAM they started it, but when they tried to rev it, lolz, they blew a headgasket!
Both head gaskets
@ramairgto72 Maybe not. It would have to have some enormous injectors but with the amount of fuel it would have to pump without running lean, I don't think a conventional ignition system to fire it. Plus everyone is talking about engine power to turn it? Try finding a starter that might tun it. Even a high torque would squirm at the thought of turning that sucker over.
That's my dads old camaro. He sold it to Dan Navarro. It's a shame Mikey tried to take credit for the car. He did not own the car at the time.
"That huge blower to this car is what Dolly Parton is to music!" Awesome!
@acekazel still shocked that it was a rolls royce merlin engine that was the first. but i do remember that turbo charging was horrid for fighter planes.
@Inklebonker1 Yes it was on planes. Acutally a rolls royce merlin motor. Used to increase speed and altitude.
Famous blower segment after 2:22
In regards to the train engine blower. Just one cylinder on a prime mover is around 420 cubic inches. The max rpm of said engine is also about 2000rpms. So this blower would need a 12" diameter pulley to keep it in range. Lol.
it didn't break the bar, there's a mount that the wheelie bar is bolted too that was broken or cracked before the race. Should have checked the car before he drove onto the starting line
@GeneralTJWillys Okay i was tired then but what i meant to say referred to the fact that the aircraft in ww2 were classified in mainly 2 categories the radial engine aircraft (lots of power less aerodynamically advanced, confined to lower altitude) and the v engine aircraft (adequate power great aerodynamics, and could fly at higher altitudes) they could fly at higher altitudes because they use superchargers. Superchargers and other types of forced induction are desighned _CONT_
You are a genious! Did you come up with that on your own? What makes you think that honestly?
i know exactly where that race track is at because me and my husband go to that race track on an occasion when we can it is located between Fordland and Rogersville MO and it is a fun track to go to
@bruce51501 He said they got it running with the huge blower....but as soon as they blipped the throttle...it blew out all the gaskets....and they never tried again.
thats awesome when he said it blew both head gaskets lol. what the hell kind of boost would that be upwards of 100? 200?
How much boost with a locomotive supercharger? Well, let's just put it this way: Take a GP-9 loco. (has a roots blower similar to the one on the car.) The blower from this loco is designed for its 12 - 16 cylinder (typically) motor with a 10" stroke, 8.5" bore, and 6 valves per cylinder. Remember, this is displacing 567 cubic inches PER CYLINDER on a V12-V16. Max RPM on the loco is around 800RPM: a car's idle. So... take a blower that is maxed out at a car's idle, blip the throttle, and boom.
What happened to this car just this one video
WICKED! these cars are insane.. Cant beat a v8.
If it was off a freight train, that's a diesel, and would be more than that. Hell, my truck, stock, runs around 30lbs of boost. But you're 100% about it being more volume, not more pressure. HOWEVER, when it hits the restriction of the intake manifold, that air has nowhere to go as easily, and you'll get MUCH higher pressures. Think about putting your finger over a running garden hose.
@Inklebonker1 Contradiction in terms there. "Inline 16"....for one....eludes to a PISTON engine, not a "fighter JET".....and two.....the WWII fighters used mainly either V-12 Allison or Merlin piston engines or some type of radial piston engine. Just clearing the air. ;)
that wagon in the beginning, any clue what year/ type?
Why not double or triple the headgaskets? Thats what I do why I cant keep headgaskets in anything
@nicholas22288 why do you exactly need top fuel ?
like it's the best and most important race in the world -_-
The blower came off a EDM 567 Prime mover engine and those engines by the looks of it had not 1 but 2 of those blowers
came off a train i thought jet engines were ridiculous, but thats crazy that they even make those
@68SSCAM I thought it was air planes. The inline 16 motors used on ww2 fighter jets used superchargers.
Jet? Supercharger? Hmmmmm
2020🤘🏼 what happened to this car tho saw it years and years ago and nothing since
Idk what happened with that blower at least, but from what I can tell from another commenter who said it came off an EMD 645 diesel engine, that giant diesel (an EMD 16-645-E6) used two of those blowers to supply 16 cylinders each of 645 cubic inches displacement with the necessary air. Other models used a hybrid turbo-supercharger that was gear driven via centrifugal clutch at low RPM and went full exhaust gas driven at higher rpm (like above 500 rpm or something). These beasts made upwards of 4000 horsepower at their 950 rpm redline, that's like 23 to 24 thousand foot-pounds of torque, hella monstrous those were.
well i just searched on google and looked at the EMD567 engine. its slightly smaller but it is indeed a train supercharger
That's life to riding like killer or safe to ride it???
please find away to make that blower work man oh god hell with head gaskets wield them on
hahahahhaha right on bud.... if you ever get that "freight train" blower going ...PUT IT ON TH-cam!!
Since noone else did, the blower is at 2:30
When you figure in the sheer weight of the screws inside that (what I think) ventilation blower as well the power to turn them with enough force that would not bog the engine (I see no gear reduction of any kind other then belt cog) and produce pressure you start to fall into bull shit!
Not to mention it looked like a injection hat sitting on top, the fuel would have to fall around 2 plus feet & still be in a mist to be combustive!
It's BS to people that know blowers, & I do!
Me, an Iowan: Oh, come on there, bud. Can't just blow the head gaskets. Open that puppy right up and VAPORIZE them like a man.
You got no hairs on your cobs or What?
DId he ever get this to work or it a lost case that we will never see????
You can tell this dude is cool.
Iunno, you'd have to have like 1800HP just to turn a supercharger that big efficiently.....kinda iffy if you ask me.
@abcanimal well no duh, they are front wheel drive
soulfire22, you do know diesels use superchargers don't you? Ever hear of a 12v71 or a 16v71 two stroke Detroit Diesel? Some of those were factory made twin supercharged and quad turbo charged ON THE SAME MOTOR
welding the heads on maybe? i don't know... i'd definitly find a way to drive that thing... even once....
do you have a video of that huge S/C running?
Pretty sure it's a prop car
Offthbadan You are exactly correct. '67's are round
lol, i want to see a vid of him describing the first fire with that big blower lol
how much horsepower is that equal to?
Christ!!!! thats like an instant 2000hp at the RW in idle!!!
@mazdaman222 supercharging was more effective for fighters at high altitude
@zietda2 i agree , to be a good rally driver , we need many guts , skills , and also intelligences ..but we dont have to hate the drag racer because they're good at their races ..i'm one of loeb's fans ..
hondas just dont understand camaro's and t/a's, they will never have this problem for as they are front wheel drive
th-cam.com/video/poBJCdFeJCo/w-d-xo.html
He also went to an old air force scrap yard he said, and found a twin F16 engine. and looked at his buddy earl and said this has to be stuck on my nova. lol
that blower is a car on its own...
damn.. that thing is off a freight train or somethin haha
This guy seems very nice. Thumb up if u agree!
It has a 1968 Camaro grille...
Is this THE Farmtruck?
@abcanimal yes u can in reverse
It's a 67 camaro look at the front and the windows
10.5 class IS out of control. It's gotta be right up there with NHRA Pro Stock as far as the investment to be competitive.
does somebody think, a bugatti veyron has a chance vs him? :D
@68SSCAM diesel trains?
@jdoggybizzle
That engine used two of them didn't it?
Anyone else have no idea how to fix cars/build em but love to watch them?
@Inklebonker1 _CONT_ to force more air into the engine to prevent the engine from loosing power at high altitudes. At higher altitudes (doesn't matter if its a car or aircraft) air is thinner and the air fuel mixture in the engine becomes offset in a way that the engine does not produce enough power. Even right now i might be off on some facts because right now IM TIRED and don't feel like researching this thoroughly, so im just reciting from memory.
@acekazel I knew it!!! but i didn't know rolls royce pioneered that.
does anyone have any idea how much torque and horsepower the motor would haev with that fuckign freight blower!!
P-38 used a turbo-supercharger.
thats one impressive blower
@mannyalcorta nice, looked familiar, my dad used to have a 63 nova. which looks just like that.
that blower is bigger than most honda's!!
holy shit ive seen that photo so many times and always thought it was fake i look at it now and im just like OMG!