How to approach a Hybrid DJ / Modular Synth Live Set Up
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- How to approach a Hybrid DJ / Modular Synth Live Set Up
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CONTENT OF THE VIDEO
0:00 Hello // Hybrid DJ - Modular!
1:47 Ways of Supporting
2:40 Intro to this Set Up
5:41 TR-8S vs TR-8 // Why go with the TR-8?
9:11 Let’s hear a Playing Example
11:45 Traktor vs Ableton Live
13:50 Exploring the Model 1.4 Cue B “Hack”
14:28 Categorizing this Set Up
15:10 Why the Model 1.4 is PERFECT for a hybrid / live set up
18:35 How to Improve the Efficiency of this Set Up (IMO)
19:07 Vinyl Purists and Digital DJing
19:58 Craft vs Prep
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22:56 How to Transition
27:04 Thank you!
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For anyone asking how he synced TR8 with the songs, Traktor has a unique feature that allows you to send MIDI clock either via classic 5 pin or via USB and also offset the clock so it perfectly matches the grid of the tracks. Check this tutorial out for more info:
th-cam.com/video/3pgtYFl2CIA/w-d-xo.html
PS: I'm not affiliated with DJTT in any way shape or form, just wanted to get the info out there
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This is brilliant - and a prime example of one of the greatest strengths of youtube and the internet these days! Getting to peek over the shoulder of an expert and learning from them, getting inside their mindset and seeing not just how but why and when!
Brilliant stuff, keep inviting interesting people like this! I'm learning tons!
Looots more of this to come for sure
The discussion about the Allen & Heath V6 mixer is spot on. It is the greatest mixer Allen & Heath ever engineered. I am not one for rotary mixers. However, without question, it is the warmest mixer I've ever heard. The Xone-92, Xone-96, or Model-1 do not even come close to the warmth of the V6. The V6 has been discounted for some time. They now run up to $20,000 on the used market.
20 000 jeeeesus !
Tube preamps and 60 volt power rails puts it in a class of it's own!
I really like these "hybrid live set" walk through videos - thank you for this!
cheers!
Loving these interview style videos (also enjoy all your other stuff), but this is extra interesting and inspiring.
People really seem to like it so I’m’a keep doin’ it!!
Really useful video, Liam, thank you! This has solidified a lot of ideas about my hybrid setup. Much appreciated.
It’s a pleasure
That was inspiring. Thanks to you both! I like it when a new approach of things breaks up habbits. Will definitely try that combo 😃
Thx for watching!
I have just started watching uploads like yours after a video popped up in my feed of a chap using just a mixer and creating a feed back loop to make music.
I must say you guys are now peaking my interest.
Ouuu interesting - I appreciate you watching
i think he's talking about th-cam.com/video/WRueiWaQNKg/w-d-xo.html
@@zygote396 spot on mate, that's the one.
I play bass and guitar, so I watch lots of music uploads and then things like this have started popping up in my feed.
Know I have exposed I'm hooked on the kinds of this you guys are doing with synthesis, drum machines and FX.
Just wondering if there's a way to get started myself with not much of a big cash out lay, so I can have go?
Super helpful I was looking for this!
Glad to help!
Idea of using modular for effects is excellent!
Right!?
Right up my alley! Love the set up 🔥
Thx for watching!
Very inspiring! Thanks a lot!
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What a different approach! So cool to see this kind of creative brain! 🧠💪🏼❤
Yeah Mateo is awesome.
how he compares the digital and the vinyl is super precise, the same for me
Yeah absolutely, he's a pro.
Also, if you want the online community vibe / version of this video, hit up my Discord :-)
discord.gg/xj8J2xJuBP
Quickly becoming one of my favorite channels for live performing!
Lots more interviews like this coming!
Also if you wanna chill / talk gear stuff w/ a fun community, join my Discord! discord.gg/xj8J2xJuBP
Me too some much variety and it's opening my mind up even further. So many unique ways to do music and live perform. There is no "wrong" way there is only "your" way.
I remember having a mixtape from Mateo that I recorded on the radio back in 2001.
Haha that’s awesome!!
this video is gold
Yeah Mateo knows his shit.
Love the setup 😍
me too! :-)
Great discussion. An interesting set up.
Thx for watching !
Salsa anyone .. so spicy! Lots of user friendly content as always .. cheers to the process...and thanks!
Cheers to you!
as a live pa veteran, one of the major bonuses of the model A I can see is the 8 stereo filters (12 on the big version). filters are the big show tool for live performance. The fact that you can freely plug in mono and/or stereo signals in through dual filters per channel strip is great for live hybrid. I do miss a top shelf eq setting. A top shelf knob on each channel around 12Khz would be very useful live.
Yeah everyone's got their different prefs
the secret to a clean mix at the beginning of the video :P
:-P
I honestly love these setup videos. I'm almost finished with my custom 12 track midi controller, (5 pots + 1 fader) * 12. Gonna couple that with my Syntakt, 303, into Raspbery Pi running reaper with effects and midi controls there. Hopefully add a Torso T1 when some of my other gear sells.
That’s a DESTROYER set up you just described
@@LiamKillen For sure! Inspired by you! I hope to make a video or showcase of it when it's done
This is so rad!
Thx for watching!! 😊
@@LiamKillen I really appreciate your channel! I’m signing up for your patreon on Thursday. I’ve been jamming with the MC 707 and Novation Peak a lot, love it.
I used my xone 464 mixer for my live sets. And occasionally a rane 2 channel mixer for extra room
🔥
Mateo is Legendary "those who know" nice vid, wish he had a TH-cam channel.
Me too haha
I have never used a tr8s, but I like my TR-8. I love playing the feedback of the built in digital delay.
If it works it works!!
The built in effects are really fun to play with when pushed to their extremes :) You can do cool droning effects with the reverb at 100%
This video was so informative ❤
❤️
@@LiamKillen would be interested in hearing more about your jazz drumming background
Nice one!!!
Thanks! :-)
Love your channel man, what do you recommend as an audio interface for someone just starting out with a TR8S + TB-03? I have Push 2 also that I like to play in sync with Traktor and am thinking of grabbing a Model 1 to mix everything together but not sure what interface to get for it. Thx in advance!
Use the 8S as your audio interface!
Tom Cosm has an amazing Ableton DJ Template to do exactly what traktor does. However, I can appreciate the ease of using a traktor to do what it was designed for with a traktor based controller that JUST WORKS.
Exactly! I love the x1 :-)
nice! cozy lil setup!
edit: video idea! making and keeping a clean setup that doesnt look like a box of cables got dumped on the table it was under at a yard sale..
I feel you - I’m looking into exploring a more stripped down version of this set up actually
@@LiamKillen a midi DJ mixer controller between a sampler and a drumachine, with each channels FX loop running thru a synths stereo in/outs
I use an Akao MPC Live 2 to sequence my modular and synth kit. But when I add stems from a DJ setup, I usually just mix these in based on the BPM from my MPC.
Big time Ferris Bueller vibes @9:19 ... OH YEAH!!!!
Yyiiieesahhhh!!!!!
TR8 is a drum machine, tr8s is a mixture of synth, rompler and drum machine, many class A electronic artists use TR8, over TR8s( Carl Cox, Kink, etc) just because it's WYSIWYG tool, no menu diving, savings and loadings. TR8 wins with tr8s as a drum machine on every level as it is much better suite for live performance, programming live and tweaking without clicking too many buttons combinations. I had a privilege working with few drum machines, particularly AKAI MPC, from MPC60, through 3000, 3000LE, 4000, and 2500 in last years, and I found TR8 best drum suited for me, for performing music live. Or just for quickly making music, when in the studio, as I need less than 3 min to program sophisticated drum loop with percussions (and tuning bongos takes 80% of that 3 min:). Good luck with TR8s to be as instant and fast....
Thanks for your take on this! :-)
AWEsome insight, thank you.
Different strokes for different folks
Very good contribution. I would have been interested in how he synchronizes the Roland with Traktor
I forgot to ask him that
Thanks! It's MIDI clock generated by Traktor, out of the audio interface and the TR8.
I need to hear this side by side with the Xone 96. At the end of the day they are both insanely powerful mixers built by Allen & Heath, but I tend toward the 96 for hybrid setups. It completely removes the need for an external soundcard compared to this. Particularly when you are a Traktor guy, this is a massive deal... And while the EQ section of the Model 1 is more creative and expressive, its not THAT much more so than the 96. Especially with the crunch and resonance circuitry on the 96 filters, and 4 band EQ. And the 96 has a dedicated master instert bus for compression etc at the same time as techincally being able to run an insane amount of FX sends at one time if you get creative with switching between analogue & digital busses.
You can literally run 2 outboard pedals, 2 busses that send to a DAW like ableton to use FX there over USB, and then run 2 further dedicated analogue parallel chains for distortion and compression to blend with the masterbus. Or any one of hundreds of combinations therewithin. It's a ridiculously powerful design, with the way they have incorporated 2 soundcards into one machine along with a serious analogue matrix. The soundcards are fully studio quality too, as opposed to the trash Pioneer use.
And finally, you get channel faders and an innofader crossfader that feel like a proper DJ mixer for the 4 main channels... Far better for DJing than these horrid things on the Model 1 (and admittedly the return channels on the Xone). Those things are generally found on cheap, small format mixers from Mackie etc.
Overall though, I just can't imagine it sounds THAT much better to justify the price compared to the insane functionality you get with a Xone 96 for less money. On YT at least, they both sound beautiful, and equally so as far as I can tell. So in almost every other respect, the 96 leaves the Model's in the dust tbh.
Yeah it's like very specific tech stuff - it's really just a matter of preference at a certain point. Or like what you started with / are used to.
That model 1.4 is sweet
The best
Yeah, it's good to see demos that aren't from the marketing people of the product who can share WHY they prefer one over the other.
I really like this video. Thanks! I want to setup this but with the Erica Synths Perkons with effects going to my modular.
That sounds like a delightful set up! :-)
I *really* want a Perkons too :D
Waiiiit a second. Montreal? Hey Liam, I’ve been watching your videos and didn’t realize you were in Montreal. Keep up the great work 🎉
I know Mateo from back in the Epsilon lab and Turbo days. 👍👍 Andrew - FM Radio Gods
Yeah! Montreal Native 😉
Thanks for watching!
What? In Montreal? This is closed to me. Happy to finally follow someone in this subject living in Canada. Most of the channels I follow are in USA.
Bon travail!
Great video, love this collab/interview format, they are super useful.
New to the channel… loved this video
Thx for watching !
kinda super interesting stuff ! - good job guys :D this is the right way to keep it acid, jus sayin'
😏
Great video :) I actually have a question about DistroKid. I would like to release some of my tracks with some Labels cause I still think that the Label (of course depends on which one) will probably give me more opportunities to play in some clubs, usually Techno music in Berlin (Im from Germany). That's how I see it in theory. The practical way of course can be different. What else brings Release on Distrokid than just be on Spotify, iTunes, Beatport, etc? It just simply let me release my tracks by my own and that's it ?
Yeah that’s exactly it - you can release your music independently without a label.
What audio interface is he using? Very nice video btw, i want to see a full video performing with this setup!
Motu ultralite! Great portable audio interface!
Love the how do u transition question!!
:-)
It’s an important one!!
@@LiamKillen yeah it's something I'm figuring out too. I struggle with knowing what to do / how to transition. These videos are gold.
Love your videos man!
Just a heads up. The TR-8 shown in the video is also an audio interface. Single stereo in and each drum track can be pulled out individually over the USB.
th-cam.com/video/ztJ1vl1EM-U/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fnZvFQP1yYntNVl4
Had no idea! Thx!
@@LiamKillen no problem! It's not the best but it works. Another one that surprised me was that the TB-3 is also an audio interface too! Have a good rest of your week!
Great content!!! Just curious, how was everything synced?
I actually didn’t ask that question but I’m assuming Traktor has syncing capabilities
Thanks! It's MIDI clock generated by Traktor, out of the audio interface and the TR8.
It is intriguing, and it inspires me to try something new. My problem is a simple one. I'm DJing with vinyl only (cause I'm to lazy and stupid to learn controller DJing). Old fart problem, I know. All I think about is how to sync a groovebox or drumcomputer with my setup? And no, I don't want to start a vinyl vs. digital discussion...
What we used to do in the pre-traktor days: start with the drum machine and beat match the records to it!
@mateomurphy so you brought your 808 or 909 along? Or are we talking about Mc303? Maybe an electribe? So let me summarize... a mixer two 1210's and a drummachine? I doubt u my man...
@@MrWassollich An Electribe ER-1, yeah. Keeping everything in sync was a pain but it's not much different than mixing on 3 decks, which is something a lot of us were doing back in the day (not always successfully!)
@mateomurphy the hassle is real, man... when I started back in the day, tractor was a thing for farmers, and an electribe was something you saw on a documentary about cults. A sync button was on a remote control for the TV. Please understand that my question was about something else...
trying to figure out the B channel as an extra aux channel. How do this? love the videos & the model 1
Thank you for this amazing video.
I have a question, how can I route my traktor decks individually to an external mixer like you guys did?
If uyou go into the output settings you can choose where the outputs go!
You just need a soundcard with multiple outs, and then you can activate external mixing mode in Traktor!
@@mateomurphy @LiamKillen you guys are awesome❤❤i hope the best for you, thanks a lot!
what do you mean at 18:43 when you say "get rid of that" ? is it about getting rid of the audio interface or something else
Yeah there's an audio interface out of frame !
PS my Discord community is all about convos about this kind of stuff!
discord.gg/xj8J2xJuBP
My man said “update your TR-S!” 😂😂😅
😂
So it is never mentioned how the TR-8 is synced to the beat grid on Traktor? How does that syncing work?
So many people have asked that i'm considering doing a follow up video on this sometime in the future.
MIDI out from Traktor into the TR-8s
That dust blower is cool haha.. where to pick this up buddy?
Amazon! The model is opolar
@@LiamKillen thank you. Im really liking your guest videos and hearing different philosophies and approaches to live sets
Hi , would you please tell us how to sync drum machine or synthesizer with traktor 🙏
I was planning on doing a related video- in the mean time though - my Discord may be able to help you out!
discord.gg/xj8J2xJuBP
Great breakdown and collab🔥🔥 whats the module for db25 connection in the eurorack🤔
Model 1 has db 25
Exactly
Nw2s
thats the droid i'm looking for🙏@@andresimar
Yes NW2S! I posted a link earlier but looks like youtube doesn't like comments with link in them...
Id Love to know if he has a preference over the TR-8 , AS IFind the TR.8 A Better Live instrument over the "8s"😮
He actually ended up buying the 8S lol
For your DB25 connector, how is that routed and which one did you go with?
You'd have to reach out to Mateo for that one ! Maybe on his instagram linked in the description. Any other tech questions though, my Discord would be a good place for you: discord.gg/xj8J2xJuBP
When I was going out a lot and a bedroom dj in the late 90's early 00's Mateo Murphy was definitely on my radar.
Would love to hear a recent live performance of him with this/similar setup, but I can't seem to find any recent recordings, hope he posts something new on his soundcloud or wherever at some point :)
Love the sound of the mixer/filters, reverb and delay (and other fx) being used. Must be a lot of fun to play with.
I have a few recent sets that I should upload soon!
😊
how are you syncing everything? i have a xone px5 that creates its own midi signal by analyzing kicks from traktor. accounting for midi offset in terms of milliseconds (ms) is tough. i set it to 32ms which seems to be deece but its not perfect. how should i solve this?
I actually don’t know I should have asked
I use Traktor as the master, it sends MIDI clock to the TR-8
That's one of the unique features of Traktor, it can send MIDI clock to external sources (either via 5 pin MIDI or through USB) and you can offset the MIDI clock by however much u want
How do you sync the TR-8 and the Modular with the Tracktor?, Just adjusting the mix in Tracktor?
Yeah it’s a setting in Traktor
@@LiamKillen Nice, it's linked with Ableton or is a native tool?
Anybody have a link to the vacuum Liam uses? There are so many, I wanna get a good one.
The basic ones on Amazon are usually good!
@@LiamKillen Thanks man!
damned, just getting sad,cause i gave my old Echler Smack Mxer away.... never even thought of it's cue out (still have one in my usb mixer, which is einough of course) as an 'aditional' out. But the idea's great, thanks!
Thx for watching! 😊
Any chance for a modulargrid link for the eurorack case?
Mateo might see this and get back to you!
I haven't finalized the system so it keeps changing, but the modules that I'm using the most are:
* NW2S io to connect to the mixer
* Intellijel Sealegs for delay
* Noise Engineering Electus Versio for reverb
* Multirover Multiband Stereo Overdrive for distortion
* Cosmotronic Messor as a compressor
* Feedback Modules MIX BX as a mixer, which I've just switched out for a Boredbrain Xceleon
@@mateomurphy Much appreciated. This covers my questions regarding which module you use for processing. Thanks!
I've always wanted to know how this type of setup actually works. Very Richie Hawtin style.
Yes def inspired by him
@@LiamKillen Deadmau5 does this pretty much too. But he only uses Ableton. At least we live in an age were you aren't stuck with cdjs, which are great, but still kind of limiting.
I may have missed it but how is Traktor synced to the TR8 in this setup?
It’s something I’m trying to figure out myself actually
@@LiamKillenI usually just beat match but I feel it can kind of pigeon hole you to certain genres. It always confused me why sync is such a hurdle for hybrid setups. You'd think a $5-$10k CDJ setup would have clock sync 😂 I started sacrificing a channel on my pioneer mixer and use the roll/loop channel transfer trick for any synths or drum machines that are plugged in. You still have to beat match but at least once the loop is made, it's a bit easier to control from the mixer rather than from multiple sound sources.
It's synced via Traktor sending midi clock out the audio interface and into the TR8, it's a little tricky to set up though!
Is this how Overmono does it live ? They have the best live set in all of edm at the moment.
I’m not 100% sure! It’s got a Richie Hawtin - ish approach though
dude talked things on 1.4 like those Tractor scratch had 10+ years before 😂
It ain’t the same though
How can you use an analog mixer with traktor pro?
You have to get an audio interface involved 😊
...as soon as i sell my TR8, I see it here! Ahg! It is the superior version to the TR8S for performance overall from a design perspective imo
I still thing the 8s is better in every way but yeah I can see why people still love the tr 8
@LiamKillen cheers man. 8s is most definitely is the superior gear overall in my opinion. I feel I found something special about playing the OG.
@@NikoNoxious Liam convinced me to try the TR-8S, I'm looking forward to comparing the two!
@mateomurphy I would love to hear what you think and what you come up with! There's a lot more going on with TR8S and I'm sure for a hybrid DJ setup it could shine in ways I have not imagined
What are the IEMs on camera at some points?
I don't know what that means lol
@@LiamKillen Fair :) Between Model1.4 and the Roland there is a pair of IEMs. Whats the model?
@@SoundHole-wz8kx One of Ultimate Ears Pro, maybe a custom one?
Could I connect a bulcha easel to this set up?
I don't see why not ! Also if you have other gear questions, hit up my Discord ! :-)
discord.gg/xj8J2xJuBP
It looks like someone tried to replicate my setup without actually being broke
It's taken me a long time to get there! Thanks for watching :)
lol
I wish you had discussed syncing. this is really the only reason I clicked on this video. I don't care about the TR-8 or using Cue-B as an additional aux when a "live" mixer with multiple aux sends is probably what you want, etc...
Traktor generates MIDI clock, which is sent out from the audio interface and into the TR8. As for the mixer choice, I don't know of any "live" mixers that have high/low pass filters and stereo aux sends!
Thx for this I actually didn’t know
Mateo’s gotchu
@@mateomurphy thank you
I like y Drum machine dirty
😏
What module is that I/O on the synth rack?
Hopefully Mateo will see this message
NW2S io !
@@mateomurphy Are you using balanced DB25 for modular? Is it actually useful? Are there any modules that have a balanced audio path? Are you bringing the signal back to the computer? If so, what is your approach? What interface are you using for Traktor? Thanks
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Plays Kink during the transition segment; my kind of DJ.
Yo, s/o to your guest. Dude really has it dialed in.
So that’s why I got demonitized 😂
He’s the best - Mateo Murphy!
Check his music in the description
eurorack case name ?
Ummmm something from intelijel I think?
Intellijel 7U performance case
Mix wise, invest in a de-esser, it gets so 4k-y. So brutally harsh in high end. That's doing damage to people's ears live
You mean the music ? Or our voices ? Lol
Nobody:
TH-cam Producer: Hardware Live Dawless Hybrid DJ/ Modular setup
Music: sounds like an average beatport mp3
Dawless AND hybrid?
Here’s a video for you my friend- you need to get your definitions straight:
th-cam.com/video/Yn3K23fJQGs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PxB5GoJiUtJskgP8
@@LiamKillen all that gear and it sounds very thin and basic....daw might be needed. FX might be needed. Actually using the modular effectively would be nice. Not a lot going on here. Very basic hihats / little loop things.
Please use high pass on the mic, it is very annoying to here all the handling/table noises, handheld zoom recorders are very bad with isolating that. On the big monitors it is almost impossible to listen to what is going on, in the bass heavy headphones too:)
Yeah I did that in post - did teh best that I could given the circumstances ! Thanks for watching :-)
You are taking ‘tone police’ to a completely new level 😂 Touch grass!
@@JumboDubby I know, couldn’t help myself, I’m working on it!:))
Then I put Joaquin Claussell right next to him with 2 decks and a DJR 400 and he makes this guy quite and dump all this fancy shmancy gear in the bin.Not one word about vocals.
It's not a competition
What? Lol
For real
@@EddieTrossMusic I am old school and invested in this culture since early mid 1980's and this is just corny to me
@@tonyjames2144 So, everybody have to do the same thing as Joaquin Claussell, otherwise you are to corny. LOL
BAD INTRO=DOWNVOTE
This isn’t Reddit
Nice setup, shame about the music...
Tommeke me sad now 😢
Why would anyone use an octatrack as a performance mixer when you could just use a simple sampler and a dj mixer with FX?
Reach out to EZ Bot with that question - I’m sure he’d have a great answer lol
prolly cuz the octatrack is cool af