The Separate 'I' or Self Is an Illusion
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2024
- You do not exist in the way you think you do. You operate through the belief system that you are a separate self, but the ‘I’ that you think you are, the ‘self’, is an illusion. For example, when we say, ‘I am sad’, there is the experience of ‘sadness’ and there is an idea of an ‘I’ who is sad, but when we look for that ‘I’ - the ego - we don’t find it.
A woman who is looking for the ‘I’ but can’t find it, assumes it is hiding. Rupert explains that the ‘I’ isn’t hiding; it isn’t there. He invites her to look more closely and see that she is superimposing an old belief on the evidence of her experience, which reveals that it is not there.
Trust your experience; not your beliefs.There isn’t a thinker, a feeler, a doer, a decider, an imaginer, an achiever or a lover.
This realisation that the ‘I’ is not actually there has a profound impact on one’s life. It is such a relief to know that the one that is hurt or sad is not there.
This exploration of our true nature is known as self-enquiry. Self-enquiry is not an intellectual process, it is a practical almost visceral exploration where we actually do the experiment and go looking for the you that you - the ‘I’ - think you are. We scrutinise our experience as we look for the ‘I’ until we realise that it is not there and that we have based our whole life on the belief that it exists. Our thoughts and feelings, activities and relationships arise and are undertaken on behalf of this non-existent ‘I’.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Looking for the 'I'
00:54 The Self Is An Illusion
01:23 False Belief in a Separate Self
02:18 Scutinising Experience to Look For The 'I'
03:04 There Is No Thinker, No Doer, No Feeler, No Giver
03:23 Breaking Our Old Belief System
04:06 The Relief Of Knowing I Do Not Exist
04:42 Self-Enquiry
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you don't need to look for "I" since it is " I " causing you to look. There is a Buddhist saying that goes, " be careful of what you are looking for, for what you are looking for is causing you to look."
That is the ultimate realisation. However this practice gets the mind to shift to that awareness. Thr mind could easily take your words as a belief and say "oh, well i guess theres no need to look", Nd stop the process of self-realisation. It is a process for the human, even though consciousness is always just here now.
Her comment at the end warmed my heart-the feeling of compassion for the separate sense of self is so precious ❤️ All of us can have a difficult time letting go of things that weren’t what we first thought them to be: Relationships, hopes, fantasies. Compassion for this can sometimes be a barrier, however. Rupert consistently demonstrates skillfulness and patience in helping people release into their true nature 😊
I am having the same challenge as her.
I’m upgrading my understanding and the old thought patterns still remain (for a short while longer).
Rupert’s patience and compassion is awe inspiring
@@TCGill Absolutely agree 😊 Wishing you all the best!
@@TCGill I often wouldn't actively encourage the aid of entheogenics, but in this specific manner they tend to do damn wonders. Let's say psilocybe mushrooms. It's a powerful medicine to realign internal belief systems and the emotional stresses and thought patterns that everybody gets clogged up with.
It's like a heart sized tangled ball of string get's loosened up by the medicine and by that itself, simple loops and underpasses of string get untangled just by releasing the tension binding them, if you know what I mean. But then also as it comes loose, one can consciously look into it and actively untangle some the actually knotted mess.
Often in the afterglow there is just simple silence, and presence. Internal understanding, acceptance. You'll know what to do and how to be, naturally without thinking about it.
Just research how to correctly approach the medicine and respect it (even if some accounts regarding it did not).
It is beautiful how Rupert can be so direct and firm, yet so gentle and full of humor.
But aren't those qualities a " self " exhibit ?
@@williamburts5495 I experience it as a clear expression of the teaching. Love and kindness speaking.
@@gabyinoz3868 What is it that experiences the clear expression?
@@Teller3448 Awareness!:-)
@@gabyinoz3868 And knowing that makes awareness the self or self-awareness.
The “I” is an idea, a description, a story, based on experience, interaction with environment, ever changing.
The”I” has no inherent existence. When you watch a play with actors on a stage, do you believe it is real in and of itself? Of course not, it is a mere story made of images and words.
@@salan3780 Yes, An extremely powerful and shocking " self ' realization.
"The “I” is an idea"
Who's idea?
@@heartsutra123 "You said, " the " I " has no inherent existence." it does have inherent existence the " I " and the " me " and " you " are what the self uses to address or direct itself in speech and thought.
Example: Someone could say, " I have no self control " take away the " " I " in that statement and the statement makes no sense since it is not directed to anything. Someone could also say, " you have no self control " but if you take away the " you " in that statement and it makes no sense because it is not directed to anything.. So the " I " " me " " you " " they " are indispensable devices for the self to express itself as a subject and other things as a subject.
@@williamburts5495 The “I” is a point of reference, as is everything.
often when i wake up in the morning, there just is awareness. then i can let it be so. or add a thought, a realisation: that awareness is me.- so there is an i. but the i is not the body and not the patterned psyche. its the awareness-i.
While the message of 'you do not exist' may seem liberating and revolutionary at first, it's important to approach this type of teaching with caution. Neo-Advaita often lacks nuance and can be misleading, leading people to deny the reality of their own experiences and feelings. Remember that you are a complex being with a unique perspective, and your sense of self is a crucial aspect of your human experience. Instead of trying to negate or bypass it, it's often more helpful to explore and integrate it in a healthy and balanced way, and explore it's preciousness as sacred, beautiful, and worthy of healing and celebrating. And to see it as a REAL expression of the divine, the formless, the ground of Being, etc.
i am the divine, the formless, the ground of Being, etc.
I agree a 100%. Very wise comment.
I believe one who truly comes to this realization couldn’t deny experience or feelings, there is no denier there. However, denial or resistance could arise from mind’s interpolation of this teaching. I agree, people should feel and experience before seeking these more advanced understandings.
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Nobody can deny their experience of being and feeling completely and on the contrary, we have a general overestimation of our own importance. Because of this it's probably better to cut through it all with negation to become available and truly effective and without the delusion of the finite self. We have already slid all the way down the slippery slope into the abyss of self-centeredness. Perhaps there's a better way, trusting in the infinite to run this so-called life. ...but idk.
Life is relational, each creature occupies a unique perspective,
The sum of the whole is greater than its parts.
Love the pure spirit of Rupert,
Thankyou for these precious gems
of true wisdom 🙏🙏🙏
Thank You for encouraging us to look closer. It allows me to be okay with feeling uncomfortable.
Who is it that feels uncomfortable?
@@abplusfive It feels like genetic imprinting and memories fragments. I like what Spira said,Keep looking deeper into a microscope instead of making it another spiritual concept.
So much joy to hear that 🙏
So good!
" For example, when we say, ‘I am sad’, there is the experience of ‘sadness’ and there is an idea of an ‘I’ who is sad, but when we look for that ‘I’ - the ego - we don’t find it. " Because who is looking!😇
sadness, happiness, are states of mind that come and go, but what is realizing this is the " eternal in the now " existence that is our consciousness that underlies it.
@SIMPLY MYSELF The Simple Man Maybe that's why it's called non duality rather than non dualism?
Who is looking... It is the I that is now looking... Before it was a sad I and now it is an I looking for a sad I... The I has just changed its clothes.
@SIMPLY MYSELF The Simple Man Rupert just talks shit.
@@howeffingridiculous you're going to have to expand on your question... I don't understand it....
That last 30 seconds was hilarious.
If the jolly good-natured lady didn’t laugh so hard, I could almost see Rupert walk off the stage, shaking his head and saying, “I give up.”
Rupert is one of the kindest people on this planet, but he does require his students to present with some degree of logic in his process of tracing them backwards to reality.
When people are unable to follow the simple bread crum path, after he placed the bread crumbs so meticulously, well he is just so fun to watch, because he displays his frustration in such a proper, gentle, English, at-wit’s end manner. The levity rivals a good English sitcom.
Rupert’s reaction to having compassion for a snake who is not there, floored me. Especially since I felt it coming before his reaction. I started laughing, wondering how he would react. I just burst into laughter.
I love Rupert "he" knows exactly what he wants to convey with such passion lol.
He has a conclusion in mind and so all he will find is his conclusions.
I am not sad. My I experiences feelings of sadness … the feelings are there and I am not intending to hide…
The " I " is what desire and intelligence flow from, " I want this," " I want that " " how do I get this or that " The " I " is like a command center that focuses desire and intelligence without that command center everything would be incoherent.
You have the power to move and when you desire to move that power becomes activated and you move from place to place but if you were to start moving without any desire to move you would become freaked out and start thinking to yourself" what the hell is happening to me " So the " I " gives us coherence because if we didn't have it we just wouldn't have any sense of control. of our faculties.
These words are just supposition and delusion. They are beliefs and conditioning. When one dies, the truth is unveiled, and one feels so foolish.
@@XenosFiles You said, " when one dies, the truth is unveiled, and one feels foolish." since when we die the truth is unveiled and since truth is something understood that would imply that there is a conscious knower that transcends death.
"there is an idea of an ‘I’ who is sad, but when we look for that ‘I’ - the ego - we don’t find it."
That's because the self is like an eyeball suspended in space...that can see everything except itself.
i don’t know
but my ego
my „I“ is very real
otherwise i couldn’t move through this realm in it everyday and you couldn’t too
sometimes it hurts and sometimes it feels nice
what’s the point of having no ego?
the ego just is a tool for navigating in this world
why destroy or throw it away?
@@JensVanDeAarde Yes, even if I thought non-existence was awesome, no matter how much I twist and turn I cannot annihilate the self...or even find it.
@@Teller3448
it’s here but same time it’s not
it‘s like everything else in duality
No matter where I go beyond so-called borders, I am still I.
Thank you Sr
Rupert said that there is an "I" lurking in that sadness, but when we look for it, we cannot find it. And the woman said that when she looks for it, it is as if it is trying to hide. No wonder she's confused! Rupert said that there's an "I" lurking in that sadness that we cannot find. To "lurk" means "to exist unobserved or unsuspected." Key word is "exist." And if something can "lurk," it seems it must be doing it deliberately. It's a good thing that Rupert changed course and explained that the woman was confused because she assumed that something exists that does not.
Thank you
Masterful Truth
Thank you Rupert for your teachings, you gives me a lot 🙏🌸, ur teachings give me more peace, more easiness to accept the life and to accept myself and to connect with Allah (my God). I hope if I can meet you personally and say (thank you) full of gratitude / warmth & love. Be blessed my teacher 🙏😊🌹💕
"In search for the truth,i found that my 'I' had no existence. I found out that
this 'I' was not individual but the Universal 'I'.
The real 'I' was the entire existence,without any individuality.
With this finding ,my search ended there."-Sri Nisargadatta-
You call yourself inner light. What is this light inside of?
@@Koort1008 Rupert just said you dont exist...so how can there be a SELF "the pure and changeless"?
Why dont you call yourself ONE LIGHT instead of INNER LIGHT?
@@Teller3448 well..two options
a)inner light is the light of God,Consciousness,Absolute,Brahman..etc..or more generally the light of primordial subjectivity within us.
b) title of a beautiful song by my favorite musician-songwriter George Harrison .Released by the Beatles.
@@Koort1008 "You are seeing clearly."
What is seeing clearly? Rupert says there is no 'you'.
@@innerlight617 "the light of primordial subjectivity within us.
Within us...Rupert says there is no 'us'.
Sometimes when Rupert explains the truth in the end the person asking the question doesn’t walk away fully understanding and cannot bring themselves to admit it. Other times he asks questions so the person has to think of the answer and then guesses what Rupert wants to hear.
It is not easy to watch. It is not always easy to understand. We have been brainwashed for so long that opening up our minds is as difficult as anything that can be experienced.
You cannot take a horse to the water....
@@deedhesi8014 you *can* lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. 🙂
Yes, I can understand it but they talk with such depth in every way, it’s quite amazing, I understand stillness and can follow, but I find I have to start using mind to keep up with an hour conversation, but I know really that I don’t really need to know, just be ❤️♥️
Rupert is just doing his own brainwashing.
Sooo sweet 😁❣
So Beautiful.
I'ts very interesting and poignant what this lady said in the end about the compassion for this sense of individual self, i myself felt that and understood it exactly as she did, it is a sense of compassion sadness and love for your "self", i do understand that in the heart of it is actually the life long attachment to this temporary sense of individual i, yet i believe it's a legitimate and meaningful phase in the process. i really love and appreciate Rupert very much but sometimes it looks like his process of self discovery as genuine as it is was somewhat more intellectual and he may not have gone trough some of the more emotional phases that some of us go trough, it's not a criticism on Rupert it's just that we are all wired differently and our processes are different accordingly, there are things we have to go trough by ourselves and no teacher will have all the answers for us and it's fine, peace.
Ah thank goodness what a relief.
🤣🤣🤣🌞🌞🌞🌞🕉🕉🕉🕉💚💚💚💚🌅🌅🌅
Thanks
Denying relative existence to the separate self can only lead to dissociation. I prefer Wilber's transcend and include kind of approach. Every truth is relevant to its corresponding level.
So called spiritual people love those categories so they can show other people they know better. They are indeed very proud about being nobody.
Thomas if you read Wilber’s Atman project I think you’ll find that he comes to the same conclusion.
@@grahamthwaits8584 I read it. And most of Wilber's work. The conclusion is always the same.
@@Koort1008 Get real man. It doesn't have to sound so lofty and complicated. It's just expressions of the same Reality.
You have quite the ego. @@thomasbrouwer2771
If the Self is an illusion, then what is the point of Self-Enquiry?
@@Koort1008 What makes you believe that there is no Self?
@@Koort1008 And to whom would I be inquiring?
Self-Enquiry is for the one who still believes and feels like a separate self...through the enquiry it is then discovered that the separate self actually does not exist and of course,it is only awareness alone that discovers this.
Self-Enquiry is to get rid of the False I, or Thinker. There is a Self, but this Self isn't the I that feels that it is doing or acting. The real Self is the reality. When there is hearing, there is no hearer, when there is feeling, there is no feeler. Though there is noone, there is the reality, the reality is The Self. It is formlessness rising as forms and falling back into formlessness..
Rupert's talking about the SEPARATE SELF (commonly misunderstood as "ego").
The so-called Self / Pure Awareness is what the "enquiry" is for ❤
The “creative nothing “ of Max Stirner addressed this 178 years ago. “The Unique and Its Property “, 1844/2017 Landstreicher translation. “I “ precedes ‘thinking.’”Nothing at all is justified by ‘being ‘.”
Saying Thank you... Which presumes the you and me... So... just be is enough
"Looking for the I". Think about this for a second, if there is a part of you looking for the I, then what is looking would be above the I, wouldn't it?
The I is a useful illusion, which makes relationship possible
That's simply because a "relationship" depends on the apparent separateness of two individual I's. If you drop the I, there is no relationship in the sense that you are basically one with everything. But the apparent communion amongst beings still goes on...
The self that cannot find is the self that cannot be found 💜
to confuse matters further
the you I've internalized
is referred to as I
within me
I hesitate to say that is me asking the question. Because I don't exist, apparently... or to put it more accurately perhaps... un-apparently?
Many thanks to everyone for your insightful and mostly kind comments. Interestingly, there was only one I was tempted to reply to and that was the one that said I was too old to understand. More emotional shadow-work required? But how can "I" have a shadow if "I" don't have any substance to cast a shadow....?
But who/what is looking for the “I”?
The conditioned mind
In other words
The illusion is looking for an illusion
Yes, the ego can also hide to prevent us from recognizing it and becoming aware of it. However, ego cannot be always hidden since it wants to express itself. Thus, we have the opportunity to be aware of it, observe it and know how it functions.
There
is
no
ego! ❤
Is there a recording of the exercise you did in the morning with the group?
When we say " I " physically that is just the " self " expressing itself as a sound vibration, when we say " I " mentally that is just the " self " expressing itself through mental language. The physical and mental language are just tools the self uses for expression of itself.
I think the word illusion has been so wrongly used in relation to self that the phrase " the self is an illusion " is the actual illusion, and not the self.
There is no separate self. The wave is never separate from the ocean.
@@abplusfive True, your awareness itself is the self, the " I " is just a device tool the self uses to communicate expression so it is inseparable from self
The thing is if there is sadness it is still uncomfortable regardless of whether or not we can find an "I". It strikes me as spiritual bypassing to say otherwise.
@@seanfrank32 Is that your experience, can you honestly say that you don't experience sadness? Excuse my scepticism if you don't but even the great saints and sages are known to have at least exhibited the outward signs of sadness such as crying.
@@daevaskye You never stop experiencing sadness. It's built in the idea of life. It doesn't matter how 'awake' you are.
We’re not talking about nihilism. Of course there is the experience of emotions. But emotions being empty of inherent existence, is very different to saying emotions don’t exist. The latter is a bypass and extreme view. The Middle-Way is to see that all phenomena is “appearance emptiness” - which means, empty of its own inherent existence. It both is and isn’t.
Consciousness living a mind wake. Ego just an illusory approver.
The placeless space where nothing is happening
🙏💜🙏
Sweet
The name rubert spira i didnt forget in my life
Does anyone know which lecture this came from? I would like to find the meditation that they refer to in the clip.
There is no lecture, there is only what is. this is not a teaching, he only speaks of what is reality.
The mind that is in the company of other egos or objects is lonely in the universe(s), for everything and everyone looks like separate forms in the void and that do not touch.
The mind isolated in the solitude of infinite non-duality is actually accompanied by everything and everyone, for the universe(s) does indeed touch itself in the void of forms through infinity, and the mind awakens itself as consciousness.
Thank you Rupert for inspiring my life since when I found you.
@@Koort1008 If you do not exist then who is the one that is typing these youtube comments? Could it be that Consciousness/Awareness is who you are and that consciousness/awareness is aware of Itself?
@@Koort1008 Is that so? Are you sure? Who is the one that is typing these youtube comments?
@@Koort1008 I am typing these YT comments.
@@Koort1008 You are coming from ego or your personality in your TH-cam comments. You are not coming from a place of true wisdom - from the consciousness of your Higher Self/Soul.
@@Koort1008 You are incorrect that there is no Self. There is simply no separate self. I am not projecting at all. If you were coming from a place of true wisdom, from your Higher Self/Soul, then your communications would feel like the truth to me. They would also have great clarity and precision.
People have a specific mental structure. It's possible to abide in being as pure consciousness, untainted by thought, if you're a plant. But it isn't so for humans. Disassociation of any kind is considered as trouble in psychology... Just putting it out there
The personal "I" is the illusion.
The personal "I" is "Identity."
The personal "I" suggests separation
THE PERSONAL "I" IS EGO
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The impersonal "i" is reality,
NO separation exists,
Equation: "I" IS "X"
where "I" is "experience," and "X" is "the one who experiences."
I, me, we, you, they, them, those are ALL reflections of the "self, "I" consciousness
"I" is "X", ALL is Existence ❤
Who can’t find it?
I like to think of it as whirlpools in a river; this whirlpool is naturally good at music & drawing, this other whirlpool is good at math & business. But at the end of the day, its all just the river.
@SIMPLY MYSELF Yes I agree, even 'concept' is a concept. And yet here we are, doing our best to talk about 'it' with concepts😂
Of course there is an I and that is our awareness, and of course we can`t find the "I" because it's our self , you can't find something that you already have, yourself . It is like , you are searching for your glasses and your glasses are on your eyes , but you can see them because they are on your eyes , and you are looking through them , you just noticed them when you don't have them anymore . And yes I do exist because I can feel I can smell I can touch I can think I can dream and I feel that I exist .
@SIMPLY MYSELF The Simple Man Concepts are in the field of awareness and you can have actual awareness prior to concepts. Awareness doesn't need to be a "concept" as you describe in a dictionary definition. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of "awareness towards concepts"
@SIMPLY MYSELF The Simple Man Misunderstanding my friend. Happens often in text. Language is a barrier. Thank you for clarifying, makes sense
Pls turn up the volume 🙏
Don’t get brainwashed, think for your self ✌️
That's exactly what rupert promotes.
@@alisonsalter8352 yea right 😂, you don’t have a free will, but you can come to my meeting 😂
@@ccr7712 to have a free will, you by default also have to be a person. Get beyond the person you think you are, and then you'll understand rupert spira.
@@alisonsalter8352 he claims that free will is illusory, which means you just feel like you have a free will but you actually don’t . And in the same time he recommends you to do something. Its contradictory. Don’t get fooled. Good luck 🍀
@@ccr7712 i am also a spiritual teacher. It's not as straightforward as your mind is dualistically telling you. For as long as you believe you are a separate self, then you have to do something. At some point, the balance tips. And as the separate self dissolves, you realise theres nonone to do anything...and thete never was. Non duality APPEARS to be contradictory but it's not when you understand it deeper. Much Oneness x
The problem is, if you quit thinking you are not human. That is where jr here is full of it.
Rupert… the one who is looking, is the selfing process engaged in looking for the “I”. The identity doesn’t exist. It’s the snake looking for the snake!
She is just at the start, she will understand soon , there is no I ❤️
What is it that will understand soon?
but the compassion is the real I!!!!!! why did rupert not point this out????
Consciousness is the Self and in that respect of course the Self exists, no question about that...
No concepts no words, experience speaks by itself, consciousness is the Self (and yes, no question about that) and in that respect of course the Self exists. The rest is just a lie to oneself ( for those who are able not to reject this simple truth)...
Yes including the delusion you have right now. The body dies and consciousness pass trough it and moves on...
I did tell you my experience, which if you look, will coincide with yours... the witnessing state is consciousness, pure consciousness is the Self...
This things cannot be verified (a lair is the one who tells you is possible), but can they be felt and understood and above all seen by the higher mind or higher centers. I can only say that there is no where to go. Death would be a nice repose, but there is not such a luxury...
When you're sitting there and are crying, aka are sad, it's not you that's sad, it's just an experience that's playing out. in a dream if you're playing the character that is the aggressive samurai who has no trouble cutting down dozens of people. Maybe you are overflowing with bloodlust, but that is still just that character in the dream, a character in a story, a character in a book is not real, it's a concept, an idea.
if I am all this that I am made to be then I alone truly exist and so when the teaching is designed to teach the you then the I is spoken as I who can't exist for I was never born and never die but alone come into the body when the time is right and so U and I entwined is the I am that You Are...
xx
much love
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What is the I that is looking for the I ?
La vie s'efforce à soi même vivre et à faire l’expérience d'elle même le plus diversifié possible, que ce soit en tant que matière, en tant qu’esprit ou quoi que ce soit.
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It's the I that's looking for it.
Always speechless
Yes I do exist
Not as a separate entity from reality. The wave is never separate from the ocean.
But Isn’t the “I” the basic “I am” of being itself? Not as separate but as the open-ness of infinite being. I am confused: there is something I’m missing but what?
@SIMPLY HUMAN: Ah, but the point is you do not exist the way you think you do. To exist means to stand apart from…no thing stands apart from infinite consciousness in the nondual model of reality.
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she is talking about another kind of „I“ than rupert does
The “I” is just as real as “God”.
But don't take it the wrong way. It's not that you don't exist. But rather you don't exist separately.
And how, precisely, do you know it to be true that you don't exist separately?
@@michaeldowney4725 When you try to find Who you are, you won't find "yourself". All you will find is perceptions and experiences. So you are the Presence or Be-ing within whom everything arises and without whom there can't be any perception or experience.
There is most definitely a self, that is my belief, I could sit there all day listening to his ramblings and he wouldn't make the slightest impression on me, of course, people can operate in some sort of hive mindset, the covid con is the best example of this to date, but there is and always will be the individual, thank god, and I don't want to be part of collective or universal consciousness, it's my idea of hell, so no Rupe we are individuals in body and spirit, thanks.
What about body and brain processes that we are not aware of such as digestion? They clearly take place. Just curious.
Rupert is great. Why only talk about feelings, thoughts etc. There are millions of processes in the body we are not even aware of. Does consciousness manifest processes we do not know about on a daily basis.
What about all the people in starvation mode in third world countries? Why does consciousness want to experience that? Why maintain it? Assuming we are an illusion, how do we get disease such as cancer?
@SIMPLY MYSELF some good points.
I think the lack of perspective on the "no self" teaching, and the failure of spiritual teachers to point out the differences in the way it is used in Eastern religion and Western culture is a detriment to many.
Why:
The debate or idea that their is not a separate self is really not a practical idea if you are trying to resolve trauma or past issues. (Many seekers want relief and liberation from the effects of trauma.) In my opinion, it is a good way to avoid accountability for ones experience and the need to engage the self and solve personal problems and issues. Spiritual bypassing: There is no me, noone has a problem, why bother working with my ego/self and looking at the past from which these thoughts are arising- when I don't exist. really??? Think about the implication and impractical usage of this concept. Whoa! I'll stick with psychology and "self" reflective techniques that don't dissasociate me from reality.
Could someone explain what he means when he says there is no "I"? No thinker, chooser, decider, doer, lover etc?
I will try if I got it right. Awareness plays the "game of many" (people, animals, plants etc.) while it remains one. People believe they think thoughts, choose thoughts/concepts or actions, decide, do this or that, love one or the other, but in reality only Awareness is doing this while masquerading behind all those masks we call humans/animals etc. The separate self believes he/she has free will.
One the most powerful and scary ideea coming from non-duality is that the we dont control or generate our thoughts, they come from "outside" and we think its our doing and take credit for them. Which is funny and sad at the same time.
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To get close, what you refer to as yourself, is a collection of memories, emotions, thoughts, and feelings. These are all sensations that take place in the space of your mind, the same place where ideas, creativity, imagination take place. Most individuals see thought as there own self. If looked at close enough, in a relaxed, open state of just resting, sitting, observing without the need to question or recieve an answer, lije one would watch a sun set over a hill or on the shore of a beach, one begins to see that thought is not actually what they are, but a collection of "echoes" that come and go through the space of the mind, like clouds floating through the sky. When you notice this, there is a realization that takes place, that thought does not necessarily belong to you. You are just used to identifying it as yourself as it pops up in your head. In actuality, you are a witness to thought, an observer to it's comming and going. Like when you are listening to music, your mind is simply a silent space of existing expanse through which sensation, information, and energy pass through, and like a mirror, mind makes an image by reflecting these outward through the body. This is what is ment by the saying "life is an illusion" as we believe as we are told, that we are thought in a body, or a soul in a material form. Really, we are all that same experience of open space of the mind, the sensation we all have in common, and everything that passes through us, is a form of energy, that the mind perceives as form and existence, the world around you. Hope this gives some insight, wish you well and invite you to explore more of your fascinations with this phenomenon if it is of interest👍
@@t.c.l1625 You explained it very well, and that is my experience. That I am a witness/observer to the thoughts, feelings and experiences that occur. Sometimes I get identified with the thoughts. Sometimes I get lost in them and caught up in them. And sometimes I am not identified with or attached to them at all, but simply notice them come and go. Sometimes I am present in the moment and sometimes I am absent.
@@brianlittrell797 One in the same really mate. Me, or i guess the persona that i am took an interest in zen that got me fascinated in this realm of inquiry. What i find worked well was to just be at ease with the circumstance i happen to be in if i am aware of my thoughts, im the mind, if i identify with my thoughts, i am the persona. Both are one and the same thing though, two halves, like sound and the silence between. Where i used to attempt to force a discipline or understanding, now i just rest and relax when i get caught up in the intensity of the world, and in that relaxing and letting things be as they are, the mind simply just comes to the surface, and thought dissipates in its intensity. It is like when i am the me, or the i, it is like a thunderstorm, just rolling through. When i relax in what is happening, regardless of the circumstance, the storm dissolves, and the mind, like a clear view of the sky is free to pour in and be as it is. Its become a little bit of a game to me in my day to day. Like being in a dream, waking up, going to sleep, then repeating. For the most part i still get annoyed, agitated, saddened. But to a far less degree then prior to not seeing this phenomenon. So i just go along with the ride now and see where else it leads. Been good so far.
@@t.c.l1625 Have you ever watched yourself fall asleep? Most people fall asleep unconsciously. Have you ever fallen asleep consciously? The body falls asleep but you are still fully awake and aware. This of course happens when one is in a lucid dream. But have you ever watched your own awareness as your body falls asleep? Just maintained that awareness and witnessing in every moment and watched the process of falling asleep unfold easily and effortlessly? Only the most advanced meditators are able to be fully aware and awake in delta sleep/deep sleep. And come back with full memory of everything that happened in that state. The Higher Self/Soul is intimately involved in that stage.
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Who is looking for the I ?
the same imagined character that asked that question.
@@Weirduniverse2 So who is imagining "the same imagined character that asked that question."?
The concept of research is not taken seriously by the" I ".
The ego.
Or King Lear.
Watch one of Ruperts videos about John Smith and King Lear.
@@nikesamo2025 so the ego is looking for the I. Were can I find the ego to look for the I?
Is it fair to say that we can’t find the I because your already it.
Human suffering... If there is no self, then who suffers?
Expressing one’s meaning is hard enough and the majority of the time in life we fail to do so succinctly. Rupert interrupts ALOT. This is very frustrating to observe, especially as it’s clear that the questioner hasn’t been allowed to feel understood/heard. I am surprised that he still hasn’t altered this MO given the nature of the work he is in
Or the “I” is pure subject and cannot be objectified.
She laughing at the end 😂🤣 the I is not there ❤🙏☯️
BUT WHERE IS THE OFF-CENTER BOUQUET???
I intellectually accept there is no ‘I’. How do ‘I’ know this experientially?
Self-inquiry. Go to the source from where the I first rises.
@@aquietsky What does he mean by there is no "I". Then who or what is looking for the "I"?
@@brianlittrell797 There are 2 Is. One is Awareness. The other is the separate self, which is illusory. In fact the separate self is not aware, but mistakes Awareness for awareness as a byproduct of him/herself.
I believe Awareness plays this game, creating minds which think they have a independent existence and awareness but in reality they are only puppets, searching for understanding/peace/happyness.
Seems like a cruel exercise, but in the end all the suffering of the separate self is perceived/felt/lived by the Awareness itself, like in a dream at night, when the nighmare is just an illusion but seems real while in the dream.
@@kalkin2003 So Awareness is playing a cruel game that creates a lot of suffering for the personalities so that it can derive some benefit and fulfill some purpose. Doesn't sound like love to me.
@@Koort1008 So the non-verbal I am is not real? The I am presence doesn't exist? Pure awareness doesn't exist?? What is the No I-I? Why is it Nothingness and not Allness/Everythingness?
I don't understand 😔
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No, the 'I', is absolutly Not an Illusion,
the 'I' is the Living in the Being,
the Eternal Life, is the Only existing Reality,
We all refer to the Same I,
the 'I' is the Only Real Steady Point, in Existence,
behind the Consciousness, and the Stuff-side, physical reality, (Motion-Ocean).
We all have our own Eternal Consciousness, thats a reason why We dont 'see', that We are the Same 'I'.
The lady thought that the 'I' was Hiding,
No, it have all ways been Here and Now,
and No one have ever seen the Living, behind the Being, the 'I'.
I... I mean, oops, my.....um, I really...damnit...ok...the thing that watched this video through the eyes in this head found it so interesting that I......that "it" thinks this particular video is pure quackery.
She is not a computer that needs an update😁
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If we look for the I we don't find it because that I is now doing the looking.
I am is the only truth. Especially when I'm God.
😂 I also have compassion for the snake ..
It is incorrect to make a statement like "you do not exist" for all is existence.
It is just that existence is self and that self is self differentiated so not to be by itself.
Genesis 2 18.
He’s speaking to the small “you”
But who is this "I" who can't find the "I" ? The "I" who thinks the "I" is hiding, is the "I" she's looking from.
The point of self inquiry is to realise that there is no self at all.😂
Then who, or what, would be experiencing the realisation?