The New Black Superman Movie Is Extremely Misguided And Exploitative
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 พ.ค. 2021
- The new Superman movie is, in my opinion, an absolutely horribly timed idea. I find it very interesting that nobody was willing to take a chance on this sort of character without substantial proof it would sell ahead of time and that this happened to be announced both on Henry Cavill's birthday and after the fallout of several horrific events that ravaged communities throughout the United States. I truly believe this move is motivated to make money off of a very hard couple of years and the feeling of disenfranchisement felt by many Black Americans in this country. #Superman #DCEU #DC
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I hate that they force already established heroes to be black or gay or something like that, just so they can polish their brand's look.
I am sure they do this to look good and they don't actually care.
Thank you for being able to see through their crap. its the same thing with Pride month every year. The companies don’t actually care and never will
@@xerdziusia8103 no its all about their image and the fucking money to them megacorporations do not care about the actual fans or people that love what their ruining they just care about having a clean image and getting money
Also there are like 100+ black Supermen so I don't know why they use that. My personal favorite is Val Zod
True probably don’t care but it’s time to see something different for a change. 🤷🏾♂️
@@apatek-1453 The problem is, if it's done poorly it's not gonna be good for anyone. They could easily use someone from the already established black supermen and possibly introduce him to those who didn't know about them yet, but they will just use the mainstream Superman and make him black. This just shows all they care about is money and their image, they shit all over the fans and I believe the black community too like this. I think a proper "black Superman" would be a cool addition to the movie industry if it's done properly. Look at Miles, they did not change Peter to black, they made a new (possibly better) Spider-Man who's their own character and not just Peter with different skin color.
As a black person myself, I feel like you articulated your points perfectly. I never really thought about the points you brought up in the past, but, now that I think about it, there are truths to them. At the end of the day, America is just a huge business. It seems that people of color always fall into the mix of the business that goes on.
WB just wants to catch up to Marvel because they just had a black Captain America and that’s popular right now. Except Marvel actually earned it from many years of character development for Falcon leading up to The Falcon and The Winter Soldier. WB just rushes their movies and it’s why DC movies are garbage.
I feel like DC showing off too much I think
@@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX That's true. The only films that showed character development was the snyderverse.
They only see legitimacy in white characters instead of original black superheroes like Spawn, Static Shock, Falcon etc.
@@XxHUNT3RN4T0RxX same with characters like black panther falcon but you can tell they making this new movie just for ticket sales
This man is obviously not a racist he knows what he’s talking about 100%
Oh for sure no way he’s not a racist asshole!
*watches video* nvm
Agreed and I support him
nah he gets some shit wrong, but the general idea is spot on
@@naya6593 amen plus why use the flash movie to destroy a good formula Zack has at the moment hopefully the people at Discovery network help change HBO MAX hopefully for the best
@@jersey.eagle.4587 I have a physical NEED see more Ezra Miller as flash
I’m a black male and I’m 16 and I understand that this is a disingenuous tactic to sell better.The black community are being taken advantage of because at our lowest.They should just make a Superman that’s good and not focus on what’s going on in the world right now.
The majority of the people mad about this that I've seen have been black. Funny enough (most of, not all) the people that have been defending this have been woke white people trying to pander to black people.
@@grantimusprimeofficial2732 IKR? That’s the worst part about it. Whenever stuff like this happens it’s always white woke people who either support it or cry racism.
@@grantimusprimeofficial2732
I’m a white male, me and wife went to the theater to watch Blade/DayWalker 1 ,2 & 3, the 1st one was nothing but kick ass ,Blade fought every vampire race on planet earth and not one time did ever cross our mind about this diversity & inclusion bullshit ,all we saw was a vampire hunter that went by the name DayWalker that other vampires was scared of.
I noticed the change in the entertainment industry in blade 3.
@@snaggalfrash9013 exactly
@Don Shepard Facts
I just don’t understand why they can’t just use the actual character who is a black Superman rather than make a white character black
@@ager6823 Then it isn't brave right?
A character should stay like he is, if you take away his core characteristics then he isn't the character, I will not see the movie, it's an insult...
@@ager6823 I personally won't, superheroes are shit now, I'm only excited for The Batman, and I'll stick to comics...
But I wish you luck
Funny you say that when Stan Lee himself thought it would be cool if Batman was black.
@@therealmackstoney294
Because black batman is black panther
@@hailpickens2454 Not exactly my point but yeah.
Can you imagine if they decided to make tchalla a white man, the outrage?
Can you imgine if.... You actually had a good point, and not some dumbass crap that doesn't even work in the same context?
@@delycan4912 what do u even mean
@@juliang0255 because Black panther being black is essential to his character he is the king of the nation that wasn't colonized by a better analogy will be to use cyborg because nothing in his origin requires him to be black
Yeah it would because being black is part of his character Unlike Superman who is truth Justice in the American way he is a symbol for hope who has nothing to do with skin and a black Clark Kent is not new we actually have two sunshine superman... and back when the original crisis on infinite Earths comic book came out there was actually a black Clark Kent that was introduced....soooo.
As African-American/Puerto Rican man in America. I 1000% agree with this. This exactly what me and my friends were saying when this news broke. There's a little more to this news breaking that pisses me off. But it's not the race change. It's the fact that this not too long after The Rock announces how he's gonna try to get Cavill back in the role of Superman. It also feels like them trying to disregard all of the racism Ray Fisher dealt with in the set of the JL reshoots. It just feels tone deaf.
I don't think it's tone deaf at all; I think that they know what they're doing and they're purposely spitting on the face of the fans, Snyder and Cavill to get back at us for forcing them to release the Snydercut or some shit.
Ray Fisher never experienced any "racism" that was just him writing off of the whole black lives matter Fiasco that was going on TH-camrs like mr. H nerdette's newsstand and airricksreloaded totally debunked all those accusations that he was spewing
@@dcmarvelcomicfans9458 bruh what 💀
These companies know what they are doing idk why people don’t get that, if a big corporation makes a business decision it’s not because it was random lol it was thought out before. It’s not like they can’t look outside and see what is happening in the world. Money doesn’t make them ignorant it makes them want more of it. The black community just need to realize whatever we do we won’t get the respect or recognition we deserve. But hey that black boy can dunk a basketball right or he can run a football down the field or he can make a lil rap song. That’s what blacks are associated with not their achievements and definitely not their contribution. People just need to look at reality for what it is. We are all slaves to the system it doesn’t matter what race you are the only thing that matters is that cash money and most of us have to sell our souls for it.
What’s even worse is that there releasing this on Henry Cavil’s birthday or something like that.
@@dylonkrouse2951 my mistake
Such a garbage gift for Henry:(((
@@Josh-Parker_Battleedits ikr 😤😤
I MEAN COME ON....ON HENRY'S BD RUDE!
@@jersey.eagle.4587 After Henry's birthday.....He unfollowed WB in Instagram....😂😂😂😂
Who ever wants this should just watch Hancock
Hancock good movie
No doubt it'll be waaaay better cuz Hancock is the best Superman movie so far 😂
Hancock was a hidden Treasure
Hancock was amazing
You unlocked a great memory
The whole movie announcement to me on Cavills bday comes off as a shot at him and the Snyder fandom while also profitting off of a lot of horrible things.
Superman is a white dude with blue eyes and an iconic black hair. Even making him blonde will be silly to me.
If you’re gonna change a character’s ethnicity or sexual preference... JUST MAKE AN ORIGINAL CHARACTER. That being said, there is a Black Superman already, use him, not Kal-El.
Exactly. I think they should at least do what they did with Spider-Man. Peter and Miles are a team, like a duo. Have either Calvin Ellis or Val-Zod go and work ALONGSIDE Clark Kent as equals and partners. I think that’d be great.
After this, I’m truly convinced WB is setting out in wanting to destroy these characters. They’ve been doing this a lot for the last two years, but now their most iconic character ever? Superman? I hope fans will finally say enough is enough and let WB know just how outraged they are. And from a lot of the comments I’m seeeing made by black people? I’m glad to see they are against this too, as it is such an obvious attempt in WB wanting to exploit black people.
I do believe their is a black kal el from another earth that goes by Calvin Ellis, a president. Could have easily done that but if it's Clark Kent raceswap then they can go fuck themselves. Not watching that. Clark Kent is white, well the character is an alien immigrant but should obviously be played by a white actor as the characters skin is white. Fucking morons.
@@mattyt3625 Yeah, WB should only now see, how detested the idea in making movie has become over the last two days. In the beginning , when it was rumored, some black (and white) people supported because it was being said that yes, it would be based on the other one. Not Clark Kent. But I believe, that after they announced that they changed their mind, it made both black and white pissed off, because black people are saying WTF? We supported it because he was supposed to be based on the other Superman. I read. Up. On the guy who wrote the script? And it’s like who. He absolutely hates white people as he is more of an activist than anything else, as he’s been very vocal about black people getting reparations for what their ancestors went through a million years ago. Just when you think you’ve heard everything where nothing is really shocking anymore, that this horribly detailed reboot of Superman has been greenlit, I was stunned!
@@frankpetersen3090 yeah it's disappointing. Calvin Ellis was right there. A President superman!. But no, race end Clark Kent
One character that has been slept on the most in my opinion in DC is Icon, he literally is similar to Superman and black, him and rocket would make a great duo in setting up the Dakota-verse in DC comics.
Yes exactly what I also been saying. wouldn’t it be cooler to see Henry’s Superman and icon standing side by side together
Steel? He even wears the S.
There's no lack of minority characters in DC that need love. After watching ZSJL, I was actually amped to see an Atom film, that would feature a Chinese lead, as set up by Snyder.
Val Zod too
@@riteousrighthand6144 They already did a Steel movie that was terrible so I don’t see them trying one again
@@sofakingdom5806 lol, yeah with Shaq. And it was lame, no question. BUT, if they actually cared about the character, and took it seriously, it would be good. Basically DCs Iron-Man.
Calvin Ellis would be an awesome lead in a Superman movie. It could be a mix of Man of Steel and Independence Day. The President of the United States being the most powerful man alive fighting off intergalactic threats? Played by Michael B. Jordan? I would buy a ticket.
If Hollywood decides to use Calvin Ellis and call it a day.
If this is a Calvin Ellis movie, then I think it might have potential. If it's a Clark Kent movie, then combined with the marketing so far it's clear tokenization.
Same. I wish they would use original characters instead of making characters black. Except for Wally west I actually was fine with that lol
It’s tokenization either way, but this is even worse
@@savagelogic8674 it's a standalone movie and there is something called the multiverse within DC
@@ericcelestino2170 Still tokenization. You can say the same for Marvel with Miles Morales...just a minority version of a classically white character.
@@savagelogic8674 not really because miles is his own character it would have made more sense to say it's tokenization if they made Peter Parker black
WB srsly announced this on Henry Cavill's birthday.
Such a harsh and garbage gift:/
It Really should probably be an Icon movie instead of a superman movie I feel
Exactly
okay but... I really want an actual Icon and Rocket movie. Dwayne deserves it.
@@andreluizfernandes6623 yeah man,or Static shock
@@andreluizfernandes6623 OMG ngl Icon would be perfect 😻😻😻
Or even a Superman movies based on Val Zod or Calvin Ellis, two in the elsewolrds movies over Marvel because honestly that is what WB has always wanted, to beat Marvel. But they still don't see that I took marvel several movies of introduction and developments. Not in 3 freaking movies.
I’m black and essentially what dc is saying is
“None of your original black superheroes are worthy enough to get their own film so basically take the sloppy seconds, here’s tokenised superman”. It’s honestly disgusting and it’s so sad that a large majority of the black community are falling for this shit.
I wanna see a Night Thrasher tv show
Twitter: We need a Black Superman.
Me: Oh you mean John Henry Irons aka Steel who made a mech suit that could replicate Superman’s strength and he wields a badass sledgehammer like Thor?
Twitter: No we mean Superman Superman from Krypton and all that.
Me: *facepalm*
They can just do Val-Zod The Black Superman of Earth 2. Instead of turning Kal black.
Degenerate Jay? More like Based Jay.
Only joking, but you are extremely based regardless. Every video you’ve put out ab social issues I’ve completely agreed with you on, and it’s brave to put your opinion out there. I respect you a lot man. Keep it up.
The sad part is how you say its brave to have an opinion if more people were allowed to be open on opinions thats the only way you learn
@@vc5030 you’re absolutely right, and with a normal decent person, you can have that... sadly, it seems that there aren’t many of those left lol. At least, there’s a LOUD majority of insane ppl who get mad at you if you voice your opinion in any way. But he really is brave to say some of this stuff... some ppl have been cancelled for far less... which is NOT how it should be at ALL. I think it’s total BS. But you do have to b really careful when talking these types of topics right now, and I think Jay does a great job at it all, while also being honest and smart about it. It sucks that many people in the world are horrible ppl, we just have to deal with it.
you mean "biased" ?
@@ECxTheMaster based is a meme
@@oaibaoaa7595 ah ok, I was confused lol
as a black person living in America you nailed everything on the head this 100% how i feel and I’m glad you understand this!
Have you watch the 1st Blade/DayWalker?
Blade fought every race of vampires on planet earth.
Hollywerid is afraid of making movies like that now.
I love how everyone forgot about Blade
I don’t know much about Blade, but from what I’ve seen in terms of video games and clips from the movies, he seems like a badass character
Wesley snipes was awesome in those three movies i loved them. Also are you familiar with spawn also an awesome black superhero?
Everybody nowadays is only talking about black panther and now black superman.
Blade and spawn they are the real deal and original black superhero's.
@@DidierWierdsma6335 exactly thank you
The underrated thing about your videos is the gameplay dude your real good in these games
I feel bad for whoever gets cast for this, because he won't be known as the new superman, he will be known as the black superman.
He'll also be known as a sell out and a disrespect to his skin colour by black people
@@Tharja-iBW Nah, he's just accepting a gig. Nothing wrong with that, it's the people that decided to even make Superman black in the first place who will face the wrath of the black community.
I won’t feel bad for them, because they have the choice whether to take the role or not. They know what kind of backlash this project will face and that he could possibly face. Like the guy above me said though, he’ll take the least amount of heat (make no mistake, he’ll still catch heat) because he’s a guy taking a job while WB themselves catch the most heat for coming up with this bullshit. I will say though that no self respecting black actor would/should take this role.
@@akilbrazier1421 A lot of actors don't think about the repercussions of the roles they take. Especially when it comes to sci-fi and fantasy they're rarely ever fans themselves and rarely take the time to think about what said role may represent as a symbol in society. When it comes to black washing the actors often think they're doing good for the community without stopping to think what blackwashing a character represents in the first place. It representing not caring enough to just give an original black hero the spotlight.
@@jairusjackson7799 You make a good point and I agree. A lot of them think they’re doing a good thing by showing “representation” but this is a misguided attempt at doing it. I think they’ll see though given how much backlash this one is getting.
I still wait for....
A teen titans movie
A deathstroke movie
A flash movie
Happened
Happened
And Happened
Although I do want versions of the movies in the DCEU
The Flash movie IS happening.
Lol im black and i think its stupid next its gonna be a black bruce wayne
What frustrates me is that they won't take a chance on good Black superheroes... Static or John Stewart for example... Or a legit Steel movie set in the DCEUs main timeline... There's so many.
@@DegenerateJay so true i would like to see batwing have a standalone movie as well they do whatever gets people to watch
I feel like even the way that it is announced adds more to ur point. It’s a campaign for black Superman when Sam was given the shield just within the movie and they went with it. It seems somewhat of a spectacle for them in announcing black Superman and just feels a little shady
I agree (great profile pic btw)
I’m glad to be seeing more and more black people commenting on, this isn’t right, this was never anything we ever wanted WB to do, as it’s a very obvious attempt, to NOT make a good movie with a good storyline, but what they are obviously saying is basically that yeah, if ever there were a movie truly being made with an agenda, which this will be the most shocking, over all the other ones where they’re casting black actors in white roles, I’m hoping what this movie does, as it seems to be angering everyone, both black and white, into saying now they’ve gone too far. If there were a wish I can make? It would be that BLM quickly became a thing of the past, and we can truly find something like this, as a start in finally uniting this country. I never ever had a racist bone in my body. I’ve even said what happened to George Floyd never should have happened among many other horrendous things black people have dealt with over the years, because I’ve never thought anything poorly EVER in my life about them. Because there is good and bad in every race. I’ve had so many amazing friends and coworkers in the past who were black, and there isn’t not one of them, where the friendship ended, that I look back on and think nothing but only positive. Some black people seem to get mad when white people say that, which I’m not sure why, but they’ve come and gone in my life just as much as any white friends ive had in my life over the years. I actually have a tremendous respect for the black community, and know that most, do not even stand by BLM. On TH-cam, a young black woman was videotaping a white BLM supporter spray painting BLM on a building, saying this isn’t what we wanted . This is mostly white people doing this. We’re here to protest (for I believe was over George Floyd) and not do what this girl thinks she’s doing as a favor for us, that this is something the public will believe black people are doing. And just the way she spoke, speaking in a very educated way, saying she’s more or less embarrassed by these white supporters doing this shit, and I truly believed her one million percent. This just all has to come to an end. It probably would if the media, movie studios with shocking announcements like this, and politicians, stopped saying and doing things to stir up hatred because in reality, they are the ones responsible for the country still remaining the way it is, or just making things worst. Just don’t know anymore.
@@frankpetersen3090 But it's not WB has been trying to go in a different directions with this character for a while now even back in the early 2 thousands they have been wanting to make a black Superman movie just never had the balls too Why do you think they went with Zack's Version of Superman He had a new direction for the character which they wanted to try And after 3 failed attempts They finally Decided to go with their 1st ideal This has been in discussion way before black panther even came out superman has not been successful on film since the 70s But has done great on TV And other mediums for them I think this was the best decision to try something completely different If you don't like it guess what they are several other Superman movies you can watch this is not going to take away from his history or even erase his history just adds on to the legacy of this beautiful character I thought Is the core of the character was truth Justice and the American way and if you think that you have to be a white man to stand for that that's just sad
@@alliewillis1283 I’m aware of that. Especially the more well known Calvin Ellis Superman, which was what WB had lead us to believe up until their final announcement when they said they pretty much changed their mind on that, and are going with Clark Kent after all. Which is a slap in everybody’s face. The Calvin version I’d have been interested in, even though I had hoped Henry would continue in the role. But I also thought black people deserve this, because they’re right, they’re sick of “sloppy seconds” as one man put it, ands ant new and original characters to hit the big screen, or even characters such as Calvin Ellis, who is more well known. So black people got understandably pissed off when WB swept the carpet out from under them, saying they are going with Clark Kent after all. So WB isn’t doing anyone a favor here. They clearly just want to upset everyone with the stupid decisions they’re making.
@@alliewillis1283 This adds nothing to the history of Clark Kent Superman. I have no idea wtf you’re on about. As a black man myself, this is a complete slap in the face. Race swapping characters is already lazy and corny enough, but to do it when you have multiple other options is just them literally going the extra mile to sabotage themselves and, like the other guy said, piss people off. This project wreaks of racism. These hollywood studios clearly don’t respect us enough to just adapt awesome existing black characters to the screen that have been sitting on the shelf for years or simply create an original character. They think they’re just going to easily get our money by adapting an iconic character and simply slapping a black person in the role instead to try and satisfy/pander to us. And no, people don’t think that only a white man can uphold the principles of truth, justice, and the American way. It’s not about that. We know anyone of any race can. It’s about everything that I just said. Smh what a stupid thing to say.
Race Swapping all ready long established and beloved characters is just a Hollywood/Media token move. I’m pretty sure the Clark Kent/Superman is loved and adored by many black readers and viewers.
What this shows is that there are two major problems right now. Hollywood/Media would rather race swap existing characters because they just don’t have the creativity to make new characters and build those up to new audiences. Much quicker to take existing major characters and convert them to tick the minority box or quota they feel we must have in everything these days.
The second thing this shows is that existing black characters that are out there are obviously not that interesting or exciting, so they’d rather steal and convert the white characters. This just shows again the writing of the Black Characters needs to be improved to make them interesting and entertaining.
We don’t need a black superman. I’d prefer to see a black hero get a movie or an original black character. Turning a character black comes off as pandering and insulting towards my intelligence. That is my first thought. It depends on the execution.
As a black man myself I agree with the points you said. I just hate when they race swap a character and go look representation! No, just use already established characters of said race or create new ones, personally I've been wanting to see an adaptation of val-zod for years now
The sad thing is they'll never use already established OG characters who are black, cause it's a canary in the coal mine issue. These characters have no popularity and thus run the risk of not getting the attention they want them. Even though introducing them would actually be a good thing.
And as YoungRippa said, "They only see validation in classically white characters" and that's why this keeps happening in a habitual pattern. At the cost of robbing development of characters such as The Falcon, who does have prominence in the comics on his own, before the need to have him replace Steve Rodgers as Captain America.
Just let non white characters stand on their own and have faith in them is what I say. You have the rights, you publish the encyclopedias, just flip through them and take a pick.
WB never said reboot Clark Kent; and, I don’t believe they said reboot Superman, what was mention was a different take.
What WB said,
1. a Black Superman named Kalel.
2. Taking a different take or direction with Superman. That is focusing on the Multiverse.
Calvin Ellis Superman also named Kalel, is in the Multiverse; He has fought for Universal Justice with Clark Kent Superman in the comics. A movie with him is a new direction.
I really do think this movie should be a Icon movie, or a John stewart movie instead.
''They can be great people Kal-El, they whish to be.They only lack the light to show the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I've sent them you, my only son''
Best.lines.uttered.in.movie.history.
I love the dichotomy between Clark's two fathers. Jor-El is godlike, brilliant and commanding. Jonathan is "ordinary," blue-collar and humble. Yet both men are truly wise, guiding Clark to greatness in their own way.
I'm not really a fan of superman I am more of a fan of his two fathers, because they made the best Man earth has to offer.
As a African American/ latino this type of stuff that has been happening in shows/movies about comic book characters is annoying. I really enjoy seeing my favorite characters on the big screen but in my opinion this has been happening the most with D.C. Marvel in the comics and on the big screen is better with representation. They have more characters that are original race related characters. Their films that have those characters they do the best making it natural and not forcing it, and not making it really obvious that they are pushing towards a specific demographic knowing "we can cash out this way" or "this will really make these type of people watch this" D.C really needs more original minority characters and need to focus on making the ones that already exist more important in the comics and on TV. People who don't really read comics don't understand how it effects certain comic characters stories. D.C can handle race very poorly on TV sometimes
I saw this as a douchey way to say “You’re fired, Henry” without actually saying it and the fact that since they have gotten some heat from the fans because of the whole Ray Fisher controversy and him saying that they’re racist, they use black Superman as an excuse to signify that, “Hey, we’re not racist.”
Val and Cavill Supes in the same movie and universe! And then Reign of the Supermen later on.
Honestly why not just uplift already established black superheroes, like yes black supermans dope like Michael Jordan is amazing for the role. Like it feels horrible that they just want to soak up the black protests for sales. Just bring Static Shock like God damn. We want static shock.
I want Static to get multiple movies but I also think he should get a limited animated revival for one or two limited seasons. Imagine modern day HD animation in the Bruce Timm style with serious storylines, they could even take place when he's a little older like we see him in JLU but they are 10 episodes seasons that are extremely well-written and to the point. Do two or three of those and I will throw my money at you.
I feel like Static needs a Series instead of a movie,bcoz I luv static and i want to see more of him his animated series was amazing😻😻i grew up watching it
@@DegenerateJay OMG well spoken brother 😻😻
@@DegenerateJay Both Static Shock and Batman Beyond NEED revivals, both deserve a proper ending.
I’m gonna say yes cause they're making this movie because of the color of the character’s skin. Rather than making a movie because of how good the character is.
Do your research because that's not true at all WB has very much been trying to go in different directions with this character Which is why they decided to go with Zack's vision Because he gave them a new Direction and after 3 felled movies they decided to go with their original ideal because if you actually Look into the Superman movies they have been trying to make a black Superman movie since the early 2 thousands Just never had the balls too Until now
@@alliewillis1283 That has absolutely zero to do with what I said. Imagine if SONY said we want to make a movie with a Black Spider-Man. Let's change Peter Parker's skin color. That would've stupid cause they have a great character in Miles Morales. DC has Calvin Ellis Earth 23 Superman and Earth 2 Val-Zod Superman. Why not do their stories why just hash the same story we've seen time and time again. Changing Kal-el's skin color seems racist, cause your implying that your white hero has a better story than the black hero. That a black Superman won't find success on it's own so he needs to take the success that's already there. Seems pretty racist to me.
I welcome a black superman but I wish I didnt come with not having Henry cavil in the role and also that was weird timing to release this news on Henry cavil birthday. I wish they would make this the alternate superman and but him in the dceu so they can keep Henry cavil. But that being said I hope the get Michael b Jordan to be superman he would nail it
WB are stupid 😩on his birthday 😩why can't both Superman coexist,since flash will introduce the Multiverse
Val Zod? Cool. Even if they go Calvin Ellis who could be interesting also cool. I do think they would have clarified if they were doing that. It seems more like they need to validate this character by basing him off of a white man
@@visionary1138 😞😞
@@collinspaul8030 exactly. In Spiderverse and the Spider-Man games, Peter Parker and Miles Morales are partners that work alongside each other. They each have their own specialties that make them different from one another. There’s no valid reason why Clark Kent and Calvin Ellis/Val-Zod can’t work along with each other.
@@DarkSpartanFTW true man😩😩if only WB could see this
Or Maybe they could go with a Calvin Ellis Movie?
They could have made an Icon movie and connected it to the Static movie in development. But nah, WB doesn’t actually give af about original black characters.
I guess Bruce and I are the only ones left for dc and wb to destroy us in the fantasy land
I love your takes on modern video games and media. You're ABSOLUTELY right in the main media trying to divide us and reverse the strides in equality to stay oppressed. I think it's irrelevant to change the color of skin of a well-known character for publicity because that just retcons the character to being essentially a black token. Thank you for the time you take to make these episodes! Keep on keeping on!
I'm an African-American teen and I aspire to be an actor. One of my dream roles is Casey Jones from TMNT and in the world we live in today, I might have a chance of getting that role, but I would love it way better if someone who looked more like Casey got the role because then part of the character is done justice. My point is tokenization for me is digestible to some degree but with how its done these days in modern Hollywood, it's really irritating and this whole black Clark Kent thing is not helping its case.
Some people even consider characters like Miles Morales, Sam Wilson's Cap or even She Hulk to be "tokenized" when they're just expansions upon already existing characters. I actually like these type of characters because it gives intrigue to the originals. Miles isn't tokenized because he's not Peter Parker, he's a different person, with different skills and different beliefs. Same goes for She Hulk and the others. A tokenized character imo is a character who tries too much to be like his/her predecessor while taking up their onus. It's why Miles and co stand out; they're not that.
Well said dude.
But here's the thing My friend what if you Auditioned for the role and they all know that you are the best actor For the role you check all the boxes And even bring something new that they didn't even know they wanted But instead of giving it to the best person they give it to someone who looks more like the character who is not even their top 10 choice There is nothing wrong with changing a character as long his skin has nothing to do with the character Superman stands for true Justice and the American way and anybody can stand for that there has been hundreds of different stories with these characters and as long as it doesn't change the core of the character why not do something different To add to the legacy of the character If you are the best actor for the role it's not tokenism but society will make it seem that way smh
Why hasn’t John Stewart (Green Lantern) gotten his own movie yet?? He’s the most popular, favorite, and most powerful green lanterns.
Honestly as a black person myself I don’t see the need to make Superman black
As a Black person, I agree with this comment
I do not agree with this new Black Superman. We and DC hasn’t even gave Henry a proper movie yet. In my opinion. Not only that, they announced the new Superman on Henry’s birthday….that was so disrespectful.
Just use ORIGINAL BLACK CHARACTERS. Not that difficult...like bruh
Static (He could use a few more limited seasons animated and a live-action movie in the DCEU), John Stewart GL, John Irons Steel, Martian Manhunter... They have a whole list of characters they constantly disrespect by relegating to side talent or cameo or just straight up ignore that they won't touch but they will tokenize a character and an audience to do this. It's literally pathetic.
@@DegenerateJay Exactly, it hurts knowing DC can do better
@Makani Stuart RELEEEEAAAASSSSSE!
@@kidkatanatv what's crazy to me is the level of pettiness. Like let's ignore all of this for a second... They basically announced they want a new Superman on the previous Superman actor's birthday. Wtf is that? It's like me announcing a marriage proposal on the same exact day I divorced my wife previous.
@@DegenerateJay HOLY CRAP! YOU'RE RIGHT! That is petty
We already had a black Superman movie, it was called Steel (1997) starring Shaquille O'Neal and it flopped.
Literally liked this video when you said “all people should be equal”
If they had gone the Val-Zod route? No.
If they had gone the Calvin Ellis route, less interesting(imo), but, no.
The fact that it's being reported to be Kal-El/Clark Kent? Hell yeah it is.
Now, it's early enough that WB might change direction. Guess we'll see.
I respect what you are saying man to me I just start to feel like Hollywood is destroying what comics were back in the day that writers telling stories of superheros that give us an Escape of the real world when now that they bringing these characters to the big screen it no longer about the comic book anymore it just something for them to see 💰 and noting more.
As a Black Man myself. I think this is the stupidest information we’ve ever gotten from WB. They’ve already tried that shit with Wally West in the comics and it didn’t work so they brought back the OG version of him. I think WB will think this would turn out like Nick Fury success but I don’t think that will happen. And they were petty as hell posting that news on Henry Cavill’s birthday who was arguably the nicest and most committed person to his role in DC compared to the rest of the actors.
I'm not white and I think it's ridiculous to change the colour of the greatest Superhero of them all. Give Henry Cavill his much anticipated sequel then do what you want after. If Henry doesn't get his farewell movie then I will not support anything WB does, they will not have my money!
The last thing you said I really resonated with we should focus on what makes us the same as people especially in these hard times we need to stick together and be one
I 100% agree with everything in this video, so many heroes/villains that are black, Asian, brown, native American, yet no let's use an established one and tokenize it, because representation and diversity. Why not get a John Stewart, Jessica Cruz Green Lantern movie, Static Shock, Vixen even Cyborg deserves his own movie, Blue Beetle is getting one..etc, so many diverse characters but no "let's profit of existing because ours won't sell"
As a black person this makes me upset
They ain’t even get a strong start with the original superman. But they want to through a black dude like ohh look how cool and unique we are for making, superman black because skin colour is the personality for Hollywood executives now-a-days.
I’m upset
Cant wait to see black super man on the big screen 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Your happy to see rip off blackwashed Clark Kent because they were to lazy to come up with a creative character to represent black people wow you must be so proud
I think you hit the right points and didn’t come across as racist. And I’m Mexican, talk about lack of representation. Every movie we get is how we’re all drug dealers. I think that it’s important to have representation of all different types of people but I know that the mainline Superman is white and therefore shall stay that (on top of that, I think Cavill should return). If they want to use their characters to provide representation for whatever reason they might have, use characters that remain to be seen like John Stewart green lantern. I wanna see blue beetle as he is Mexican representation that remains to be seen from superheroes. And Spider-Man 2099 on the marvel side. We could see more of Martian manhunter. We could see bronze tiger. More Deadshot as an anti hero. Bring Black lightning to the big screen. Etc. Batwoman can be done way better on the big screen than on the cw to represent more of the lgbtqia community. Harley can even represent that same community.
Agreed 100%.
Timing is SUS as F***.
It's taking advantage of the recent BLM situations.
Racist for sure, but in the opposite flow; ie now pandering to people of color to appear "cool" and "caring".
Totally missing an opportunity to bring in a way more known Black "Superman" character like *Icon*.
Would absolutely LOVE to see him in live action. Same with a new live action version of John Henry Icons (aka STEEL), or Mr. Amazing or Mr. Terrific etc.
If they want a black Superman they should do Val Zod, Calvin Ellis could work as well but honestly they shouldn’t do one at all. Anything you want out of a Black Superman story you can get out of an Icon story and more.
I would totally be fine with it if it were a movie about Val Zod. WB is only doing this because of the Ray Fisher situation, this is forced this is not a good representation. This is forced, I'm all for diversity but it's forced and I'm not for that.
That's true
I think most people would find Val Zod cool. It just doesnt seem like WB cares
As a black person, I agree. Ik it exists in the comics, but as a side detail. It was never intended to happen as the default. Superman is, for better or worse, meant to be a archetype of the perfect hero. Blue eyes, blonde (in this case black) hair, etc. It fundamentally changes who he is. In the defense of this, you could say the same about Sam Wilson Captain America. But that was done because they were close friends/allies. Not to pander. This however, is pandering. They chose to do this around the same time as BLM protests, SW Captain America, among other African American drama. They did this instead of pushing other black/asian/hispanic characters under their belt. Characters like: Duke Thomas (Signal/Robin), Bumblebee, Firestorm, Static Shock, John Stewart, Jaime Reyes (Blue Beetle), Renee Montoya, Cassandra Cain (Batgirl/Orphan), Ryo Choi (Atom). Made all the more atrocious by the fact that the posted this on Henry Cavils freaking birthday. You decided to pander to a community, my community, for positive press on your flagship characters birthday. Who, need I mind you, has been working with you for 8 freaking years. This is disrespectful, racist, and panderish.
They should honestly just make a Val Zod movie and bring more attention to pre-existing African-American characters
I don’t mind Commissioner being black in the new Batman. I think it works. But Superman is a different story.
I know I’m late, but really well said. This is an important topic, and I’m glad that there’s a reasonable guy like you talking about it. Thanks bro.
I belive Icon would had been better, his backstory actually involves all these topics about "racism" and such things, as well as him him being a actual icon like how Superman is to "hope".
But instead, WB rather race bent a stabilished character instead of exploring actual ones with rich background and underated status. Icon has potential, specially since WB wants to expand these type of less popular characters.
I agree with the "Its not black Superman, but Superman" thing. Characters like supes, Batman, Joker etc., they are more than a person. They are ideals. Superman represents hope and kindness, Batman represents Justice and vengance, Joker is just pure chaos with the clown-twist etc. Clark Kent isnt' the only one who can represent hope, and he isn't the only one who can be Superman.
Honestly for me it goes further. DC have so many characters, and keep coming back to Superman and Batman. I love em. But I wanna see others get more love instead.
I actually agree with this wholeheartedly and it's even more depressing if you're also reading the comics because they've been doing the same thing for like 50 years
@@DegenerateJay It's worse in this case cause like you said they have plenty of black heroes. Several are fan favourites, heck they had Cyborg already. But no, Superman again, but black.
I'd love a film about any of them. John Stewart, Vixen, Static like you said, Icon, Steel, Martian Manhunters human form is often depicted as a black man and as one of my favourite characters a Martian Manhunter film would be pretty great and finally Black Lightning.
And if I remember correctly they'd already planned a Cyborg film but cancelled it. So many characters they could make a film about to add more diversity, but no just "Clark Kent but black", yet another Superman.
@@rhodrage i would add nightwing red hood and the outlaws
the idea of a black superman (clark kent) is disgusting 🤮, we need henry cavil!
The last thing I want to see is another Superman origin story with any color of superman. DC needs to build up some of its other heroes instead of just pushing out another boring superman or batman origin every few years. They have plenty of other heroes of all colors they could use but they just won't for some reason. Give us Martian Manhunter or Green Lantern, either one of them, or Nightwing or basically anything other than more Batman and Superman.
This is why Sam as Captain America worked: HE'S NOT CAPTAIN AMERICA. He's black, and he's not replacing Steve nor being the definitive captain America. He's still going by Falcon AND he specifically said he's being his own hero. Heck, even his suit and gadgets are different, he's just wearing the captain America colors. He's trying to honor Steve, while being his own hero. It was a beautiful transition and torch passing
I think initially Sam didn't want to be Captain America not just due to the race factor but also because he saw Steve as someone whose shoes no one could fill.
The real scariest part of this movie is that Abrams is attached to it. That shows that 1. It will be bad and 2. He won't treat his diverse characters right
MY NIGGA GETS IT I THINK IT SOUND KINDA RACIST TO SAY “of color” TOO.!! Black gentlemen approved
You took the words right out of my mouth
I like your video and agreed with your premise. You for sure lost when you started getting into your ideology and view of history, but all in all, props to you for making a very good and interesting video.
I believe you handled this very well,I just really want Henry to reprise his role
The whole "controversy" accomplished what it wanted to do... It created a lot of press.
The old saying applies here: "There's no such thing as bad P.R. The only bad P.R. is no P.R."
WB could just say he is Calvin Ellis not Clark Kent and be done with it.
I don’t have any problem with a black Superman, but Clark Kent isn’t black and has never been black, I would just prefer if they just put a unique character kinda like Miles Morales, like Calvin Ellis and I believe there was also a black Kal-El in Crisis of Infinite Earths I believe, either way I’m excited to see a new depiction of Superman.
I just subscribed but love your Channel I love a lot of videos you and your team made keep it up keep going focus on what you want to achieve and be successful at man i really appreciate and love your video man your videos help me get through the day thank you keeping being positive and thank you.
You’re amazing Jay. I look forward to more Gotham knights content as well
As a black man, I agree with pretty much everything you said and I feel the exact same way. I absolutely despise this move by WB and I’m so sick of this forced diversity shit that Hollywood keeps pushing in an effort to pander to us and try to get our money. If diversity is so important to Hollywood, why don’t they just simply adapt the minority superheroes that haven’t been adapted yet or create new ones? Oh yea that’s right, because they’re lazy, racist, no-talent hacks. THAT is what we want, not hand-me-downs of historically white characters. That’s disrespectful to both them (white people) and us. The same exact shit is still happening too with the recent Batgirl news. That’s not QUITE as bad as with Superman but it’s still bad. This Superman situation is absolutely the worst I’ve ever seen though because 1. Not only is he a historically white character, but he’s literally the most iconic historically white character. 2. They’re race swapping Clark Kent even though they could’ve easily used one of the other two black Supermen from the multiverse. Even when they clearly have options they still want to race swap the white guy 🤦🏽♂️ And 3. It was on Henry Cavill’s birthday. Of all days they could’ve broken this news. Like seriously WB? What did Henry do to make y’all that mad? Did he sleep with one of the executives’ wives or something? How they’ve treated Henry, Zack Snyder, and everybody else involved with Snyder’s DC film universe is just shameful. That whole company is dead to me and I definitely won’t be seeing this Superman movie. But I already know that when it completely bombs they’ll blame “racism” for it 🙄😒
I think people need to understand that WB is really just doing this for money and theres something definitely more to it. I dont think they care about having a black superman cause of how they're handling it
Very interested to see this lol. Tho I haven’t seen the whole video yet, based off the title, I think I’ll agree.
I think the guy who made this video is problematic even though he has advocated for a Static or John Stewart movie forever. I mean let's look at the facts he's not a good person.
@@DegenerateJay ok I agreed with the video dude. I don’t think you’re racist. But just because you like static or John doesn’t mean you’re *not* racist. I don’t think you are but you saying that you aren’t racist for that is kind of tokenization. I’m sorry, and I like the video lol.
@@DegenerateJay a total bigot. Just unacceptable. But in all seriousness, I agree with every point you hit on there. I didn’t realize that that information was put out on Henry Cavil’s birthday. That really does seem like a low blow. And I never thought about how they are taking advantage of people who have been hurt by racism’s feelings. I always just looked at it as another cheap shot at enforcing diversity. And I’m with you on that they should utilize the characters of diversity that they already have. Though I like Tom Holland as Spider-Man, I wish they just did Miles. They should do stuff with John Stewart like you said. I wish he was able to be in the Snyder Cut but I’ll accept what we got from that. I don’t know a whole lot about Static. Isn’t he in the Bruce Timm shows? Anyway, good video and keep up the good work! Also unrelated to this video, I really like the turn that the channel is taking. Not really a turn but an expansion. Like with the videos of you being forced to review stuff and having all of the let’s plays. And Assassin’s Creed!!! And good for you for getting married!
@@Me-wx1mt Not really the point is he likes all kinds of these characters and would rather they be shown respect. That's actually the opposite of tokenization. Tokenization is using characters to fill a quota or make money or just to satisfy an audience instead of caring about them. If you actually care about them it's not tokenization.
@@andyowski1515 I'm not too concerned if someone actually thinks that about me. I know what I believe and so does my audience. There really is not a hateful bone in my body in terms of any sort of box you can throw a human being into other than something like pedophile or murderer. If someone wants to think that I'm tokenizing characters because I support them, that's their call. I know what I believe in.
Depending on the title I’d have some conflicting thoughts but since it’s jay I already am going to feel positive about this
But it is a Richard Graydon move, released on Cavills birthday, and trying to hide the racism that Ray Fisher suffered, not only that but there already is a black superman that isn't black, Clark will forever be white, it's part of his character...
This was very elegantly said, in the end it seems like a concern on your part for the people that would essentially be taken advantage of thru things like this
The movie itself will be interesting but the things that Warner brothers has done to Henry Cal On his birthday Was unacceptable The company itself is going to regret their decisions later down-the-line
How about.... and just hear* me out on this one, i know it may seem crazy but just hear me out..
We take an established black character and tell a story about them, we dont play the identity politics game and cheapen the story but we tell a great story about a great character that just so happens to be black.
Dont play the race game, its going to make the movie shit.
John stewart gl, static shock, hell even Steel for a superman character are all amazing choices for a superhero movie about a hero that just so happens to be black.
Dont cheapen a character or story just to put a check next to your race quota box.
I feel really bad for Henry cavil he was the best Superman that we never got. I think there was never the right story, director, writer, etc behind him to make an amazing Superman story. That being said I’m honestly all for a black Superman I know it’s not comic accurate but it’s not like we had a perfect comic accurate Superman cavil was portrayed as sad and brutal which was a Superman that didn’t really feel like Superman to me after watching the Snyder cut I do think it was time for a change to something else. I am honestly looking forward to see what they do with this new Superman i think it could be fun to see a different iteration I mean the dceu is basically all elseworld story’s anyway. I know this is controversial but I just think that we should look at the positive side of this.
You make some very good points and it's kinda scary and sad because although I am not black either I agree. I think that diversity is great when it's natural, but when it's not it comes across as pandering.
I prefer marvels approach to diversity where they come up with new characters ( not always good like with the new warriors) instead of dc just changing the characters. I don't mind non white characters but if I've already gotten attached it annoys me
I also think that a character like Sam Wilson has the potential to be as good or better of a character as the Steve Rogers Captain America was following the Falcon and the Winter Soldier show. They take the time to write characters out and develop them.
@@DegenerateJay oh yeah, when there are multiple versions of a character like Peter and miles, I don't mind if they are well written. It's just dc keeps retconning which I just find really annoying
Honestly, I really like this opinion. I'm a man of color and I thank you from the bottom of my heart for acknowledging everything. Things aren't clear-cut and I thank you for talking about that. I love your videos and keep up the good work!
Same here. I respect your view on this Jay . I’d say it’s definitely weird asf in the timing of all this. Like why now
Okay, get this. Instead of Michael B. Jordon playing Clark Kent, he instead plays Michael Cray/Deathblow in a Wildstorm cinematic universe of some kind. I want to see that. And they can the same people who are working on The Boys in on it, since the comics started under Wildstorm if I’m not mistaken. That would be cool.
Isn't wild storm part of the DC multiverse?
As a black person, I feel like there are always options to make a character without pushing the fact of there skin color. There's proof that black characters and any other color can do well. Ex: the blade films, black panther. I kinda wish that they would use more original characters than changing established ones to make profit. Idk. I think they should give new characters a chance. Black panther proved it. He's a character that I've known for years and was never talked about. There should be more chances for more diversity. Just not the way that they are trying to exploit people's wallets and or feelings. We should focus on what makes us similar but also represent what makes each of us unique. Jus my 2 sense
Being black I was curious what’d you have to about this. I’ll be honest, your reasoning sounds good on paper, but truly I’ve heard the “They’re just trying to take advantage of the black community” argument may times on this, and I think it’s a little back-handed. To me it sounds like an easy excuse to not want a black Superman. Cause if one really cared about the black community being used they would’ve said something before this incident. That’s my only problem, people are saying this but it happens all the time. It’s only when it affects a character they’ve built a strong relation/attachment to, that they decide it’s wrong. I think they are doing this for the same reason I think White people are upset by this: People want a superhero character that they resonate with, that knows what their day-to-day life is like. That’s the point of superhero movies, to feel like you’re the hero of your own story afterwards. So I think it’ll make a lot of little black boys as well as other minorities to see someone from the culture make it to the big screen.
I didn't really give much thought initially to it but when I did consider it I consider and go back to what shows like Luke Cage and Black Lightning have done for the superhero genre. The groundedness they have that other shows have struggled with. A groundedness that comes from experience and living. A Superman story with a different perspective, a minority perspective, could be interesting. And the screen writer is supposed to be legit I think. He wrote some comics I believe. I think Black Panther comics.
He turned Red Skull into Jordan Peterson. From what I understand, he also wrecked Black Panther.
His script will likely be Superman vs White Privilege.
@@riteousrighthand6144 something like that could be an interesting theme to explore. A Superman who doesn't have the benefit of the doubt that can come from having white skin or the disadvantages that can come from having dark skin. The shows I mentioned kind of touched on that stuff.
@@MrWolfchamp-xi3cu I can't see that as being anything but a dumpster fire.
I’m still optimistic & waiting on a Hancock reboot with an actual worthy villain.
I like how you explain your points. Even when we disagree I never get offended or feel attacked by your points