That… went off the rails very quickly. I don’t think that war could possibly work, because many of the populations were too pluralistic and still too scarred by WW1.
As an austrian that wrote a research paper on Austrofascism, I have a few thoughts. 00:47 - no, Austrians did not want an Anschluss. They did after the Great Depression, but not in the early years of the First Republic. 01:23 - the Christian Social party did not use the Kruckenkreuz until the VF was established. 02:21 - Italian fascism was the prime influence on Austrofascism. If you don't believe me, look at the letters between Dollfuß and Mussolini. It's straight up in black on white, you can find them in the Austrian National Archives. 03:51 - I don't know what you're smoking but Germany would not have invaded Austria, especially as Austria was being guaranteed by the Italians (and also the Hungarians, which you did not mention once). 04:45 - 'the Allies would go to war with Germany' complete bollocks. Offensive war on the side on the Allies would have been impossible. 05:15 - in what world does Austria even want Bavaria? That has literally never been a movement, lmao. 05:38 - "Restore their empire" are you willfully ignoring any actual historical facts by this point? Anything after the invasion of Austria by Germany, this video is extreme fiction and disregards literally anything historical.
Hello, I love Austrian culture, art, history, music and civilization🙂 As Italian, I would like to know what you Austrians think of us Italians😅 I'm always worried that you Austrians also today think we are responsible for the end of your Empire in 1918...It wasn't just only our responsibility, it wasn't what we wanted anyway. Or that you make South Tyrol the decisive issue in relations between our countries (South Tyrol enjoys such autonomy that it is almost an independent state). My dream is to refound the Austro-Hungarian Empire (which I consider the most beautiful and romantic, after that of ancient Rome), but this time including all of Italy as well, not just the northern regions and, of course, with same rights and duties for all the peoples (on the other hand I think we should have given up Czechoslovakia and some regions like Galicia etc.). Maybe the most favorable period was exactly between 1932-'36: years in which we tried to create new, positive relations between our countries. Would it have been possible? How would Austrian public opinion have received this project? I don't know today how many possibilities there are but, of course, I would like. Where can I read your research paper on Austrofascism?🙂 Ok, greetings from Italy🙂
This scenario would require an absolutely massive Christian revival in the 20th century, a very great change in thought and focus within the state institutions of countries like Britain and the US and the non-relevance (or at the very least non-intervention) of the Soviet threat that most of these countries tended to prioritise.
What if France was divided after Napoleonic Wars and everyone got a piece of friends that would be interesting because of the future wars in the coming decades with Austria Prussia and Russia
that actually would be very easy to achieve, The Southern third of France was traditionally Occitan speaking so it would be very easy to awaken a seperate identity within them
Oh, the flag at 2:06 is not the one used by Federal State of Austria, it is that of the Second Austrian Republic (1945-present) The Federal-State-eagle had two heads, and the hammer, sickle, and chains were absent.
Better way to word this: "What if Benedict Arnold just got credit for what he did" With how he was treated despite everything he did, I would probably go turncoat too. From his prospective he was betrayed by his country, not the other way around.
Not really in the realms of reality but a pretty cool concept nonetheless. I could see something like this happening in a HoI4 lobby, but that’s about it.
NS Germany was not atheist in any sense of the word and it was not infiltrators that wanted unification with Germany, but the overwhelming majority of the Austrian people
Fun fact: Before the British and US naval blockades in the Atlantic during the war. Italy and Germany were heavy Latin American trade partners and several leaders in the region admired Hitler, Mussolini and Hirohito in addition to similar parties in Brazil and Mexico. Figure this trade would increase alot more under a European Latin Bloc in addition to fascist parties in the region getting boosts from the bloc as well.
One thing I thought of is. What if Douglas Mcarther became Emporer of Japan? He creates a republican system like we have in America. But with him as Emporer in the Executive branch. I know it’s Italian shogunate levels of crazy but that why I love it.
I had a scenario where a Kaifeng Jewish man marries a Korean Heir to the throne. She converts to Judaism, and they have a Korean Jewish dynasty. I’m Chinese and Jewish and have a crush on my Korean best friend who is culturally Jewish.
@@edelweiss7928 Well i guess fuck the polish am i right? The Nazis also said that poland attacked them. De jure and der facto arent the same. They didnt Want to do anything exept to make fun of germany
eventhough i'm catholic myself, but my ancestry is in upper silesia, which would be in Northern Germany, I would love to see how this play out. I am certain the soviets would join in to go after the poles.
@@overlord165 It was also part of the prussian province of Silesia. It also was more north than Bavaria. I guess you mistake it with Swabia, which is a governmental region in Bavaria. Augsburg is the capital of that Region.
@aryanlatinxtrapstar88 it is geographically more northern than Bavaria. And i refer to it as "would be in Northern Germany" in context of the video. In this Alternate History, Germany is split in 2 states, a southern and a northern one, and Silisia, in this scenario, is situated in Northern Germany, so the northern german state.
@@overlord165 Back than bavaria was furthern south than Silesia and it is to this day. The Southern most point of the polish voivodship of Silesia, the southern omst point of czech silesia and ancient silesia is about the same height as Nuremberg in Bavaria.
but not for the Jews. I fear that they might still end up... in a bad place. During the last series of religious wars, Jews became targets of both Protestants and Catholics.
I can see Pope Pius 11/12 offically declaring the conflict as a Crusade in order to bolster morale within the Catholic Union. HOI4 Mod - The Last Crusade
Always an interesting take but predicting a second 30 Years War between Catholic and Protestant is a bit unlikely in that time frame. Latin fascism was more cordial to the church than the Hitlerian version, but even Franco kept the Church in a position to support him Politically in exchange for him supporting them religiously. Mussolini made peace with the church, but was an atheist personally and wanted a glorious empire. It’s hard to see these allegiances on either side being enough to hold an alliance together. Then again, Richelieu was on the wrong side back in the 30 year, so raison d’etat justifies a lot.
What if Soviet push their forces to Manchukuo after the Battle of Khalkhin Gol, China advance their forces through Korea, Manchuria divided in half or communist seize it, Mongolia annexed Inner Mongolia, Korea is independence, and Japan will fall apart after the war.
I follow this up until after the defeat of Mustache Man. You just totally forgot the existence of Russia, Japan, and that slapping event more reparations on Germany while taking even more industry away from Germany just leads to that mess making the Great Depression even worse. Thus I'm not really sure you see this religious WWII, especially when Germany would be a crippled nation. Feels far more likely we eventually see the Soviet Union try and invade something that leads to Europe fighting them, or closest to your scenario a three way war in Europe. Then honestly you likely just have the US and Japan off doing their own Pacific war separate from Europe.
So we'll basically get another religious war in Europe like in The 18th Century. *ALSO, VIDEO SUGGESTION:* What if France had joined The Central Powers in World War I?
I am pretty sure that France and UK won't intervene. But Italian army in 1936 was bigger than German, so they could deal alone with them. And after armistice some international Conference would be called, reparations on Germany would be installed and Nazis would be removed from power. But that's NOT all. Spain - civil war there would be won by communists. And communism would rise in Germany too, and in France ( communists IRL had big influence here). Communist block would be created, with USSR, Germany and France, Practically surrounding Poland. With such backing USSR won't shy to invade Baltics and Finland ( just like IRL). Next move would be invasion of Poland, but this time Poland would be made a dependent rump state, instead of division. Germany would just get Danzig and Western Prussia, while USSR would get lands lost in Soviet- Polish war. Would this spark WW2? No, I don't think UK alone would go to war, and USA was not ready yet and didn't have any wish to intervene European affairs. In the next move USSR would invade Manchuria ( with German support ) to stop Japan from conquering China... USA won't participate any conflict up to start of Cold War. Italy, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Austria and Hungary would form anti-communist block. But due to common distrust they won't act without USA support.
I was also a little surprised communism didn't get a line in this one. Hope you don't mind some friendly discussion. Going chronologically: 1. Germany had the communist parties very effectively quelled in 1933-34 with internment of political prisoners, so unless the German-speaking communists repopulated the country quickly after an Italian response, I do not think communism would be a serious concern in a post-Weimar Germany so soon. France, Britain, and the USA all had problems with communists. Churchill associated with Leninists, Paris was rife with Trotskyites, and FDR's administration was being filled with Stalinists. In the UK , the commies were hawks who spurred the country towards war with NAZI Germany. I am less aware of what the intent was for commies in France; I assume it was destabilization and political immobilization. In the USA, Stalinist commies were functionally isolationist but any others were mostly concerned with reacting to NAZI persecution and began a (mostly ineffectual) boycott of German products in 1933. 2. The Austrian Anschluss occurred in 1938, two years after he start of the Spanish Civil War. If that timelines stayed the same, then Germany would probably have provided enough aid to ensure a Nationalist victory. However, Dolfuss was assassinated in 1934 so the invasion of Austria might have been moved up some yet Franco had his air bridge finished in July 1936. I think he'd still make it into the peninsula with the same loaned air power. 3. Germany & USSR didn't invade Poland until 1939 IRL, so I doubt Hitler would move that event forward because he wouldn't have absorbed the Austrian divisions. If the invasion was placed later in the timeline, the Poland would probably get defense assistance from a Catholic ally. In your response I am not sure if you are separately taking the issue of Poland or consequentially to the elimination of the NAZI party. 4. I think the Comintern would focus on preventing France from entering a Catholic league in the alt timeline. It is the biggest state they had a chance of working on, It prevents a contiguous continental league, and it is the most spiritually compromised with the many curses laid upon it during the previous revolutions. One might expect a French civil war, or a transition to more discreet influence as was seen IRL after WWII which leads to a slow burn/ slippery slope cascade. I was unsure if this was a characteristic of middle-Stalinism, but he adopted this tactic against the Catholic Church in the late 1920's by commanding that organized communists funnel communists and special bottom fun friends into seminaries. Would this focus on France detract from their influence in other areas? I do not know at the moment. I am not sure what would happen in the East.
@@PatrickKniesler yes, you're correct. I kinda forgotten that Anschluss happened in 1938, after quelling of German communists and the Spanish Civil War almost won by Franco... And German army already began reforming. This would make things more complicated, Italy would have troubles to actually invade Germany if they hold Austrian border. And it would require some action from France and UK, at least a diplomatic pressure to stop the war, like IRL UK would start Naval blockade, while France would start slow mobilization...From here history could go sideways, 1 Germany backs down, Hitler stays but pais reparations... 2 Germany uses stalemate with Italy as pause to enlarge their army, and invades France next year... Poland would be a wild card here, they could stab Germany in the back, also Molotov- Ribbentrop pact won't be signed in time. Anyway Italy would save it's empire and fascism would get a good reputation as legitimate ideology. In the future that would mean much smaller communist block in Europe. Yugoslavia would stay a monarchy, Czechoslovakia - democracy, Poland may go fascist with return of Pilsudski, Bulgaria and Romania- monarchy.
I don’t think the allies would have won here. In Austria the Germans would face no resistance, Italys military is a scrapyard and France and Britian would persue the same tactic as in our timeline which would be waiting for Germany to attack their defensive position, since they themselves need a lot of time to mobilise. So despite the fact that Germany is missing a year of preparation Germany would still win. The allies couldn’t attack Germany first they were absolutely not prepared for that
I`m A protestant, but with A map looking like that the Catholics would probably take the win unless they get so desperate that they might even kiss the feet of America. So Austria doesn't and its allies don't wipe the rest of Germany off the map like Poland twice by the Germans and the Russians along with I am probably wrong also by Catherine the great. Which when you think of it that way is hilariously ironic.
Dollfuss lives and Fascist Austria would survive until Italy became isolated over Abyssinia and got closer to Germany as in OTL. Germany would not be invading fellow Germans in Fascist Austria AND Fascist Italy. Simple as.
5:53 A closer union between Czechs, Slovakians and Hungarians, right after the disastrous Trianon treaty that saw millions of Hungarians finding themselves in foreign countries despite not leaving their birthplaces? And at a time where there was massive amount of distrust between Czechs and Slovakians as well?
Also even if (through some miracle) such union comes true, at 7:07 if Hungary tries to retake ANY of its former territories the union crumbles immediately because the Slovaks (warranted or not) react like they're next.
The map at 08:04 misses out the Protestant Dutch, the Protestant Danes, the Protestant Swedes, the Protestant Baltic nations... It would rebalance the may to include the Protestant nations that would be involved.
German National Socialism was Secularist, not Atheist. There's a huge difference. Odinism was fairly common amongst high ranking officials, as were various branches of Christianity. It's commonplace for neo-Nazis today to argue about whether Hitler was Pagan or Christian.
Exactly. Atheism implies it was ever at odds with the religious institutions within the nation. Secularism says "render unto Caesar that which is Caesars"
@@graterdeddly9527 Opposing Catholicism is not the same thing as being Atheist. His point that the two disagreed on religion is well supported, but calling Germany an Atheist state is not supported at all. Hitler called himself Christian (but not Catholic). Compare that to the Soviet Union where all religion was banned (making it a truly Atheist state) and you should see my point. Confusing Atheist and Secularist is a huge mistake.
@@Chr0n0s38 No, Hitler used Christianity when it suited him, but he was an atheist much like Mussolini or Lenin. The Nazis were not as totalitarian as the Soviet Union in that particular since they didn’t attempt to stamp out religion and private property, but they did want to absorb control over all power centers into themselves eventually. Nazism didn’t have atheism as a tenet the way Marxism does, nor the destruction of the family, which is also in the communist manifesto. Certain Nazis also embraced a kind of Germanic paganism, some call it Odinism though that’s not quite accurate, but they did use those old Nordic aspects that one could call religious in a way, even if quite different than the Judeo-Christian belief system. The distinction in the video is important and perhaps the term "atheism" is a bit overstated but Hitler did have a distinct hostility to the Catholic Church and Christianity. This is a quote I find helpful from his "Table Talk" interviews, which are interesting background to what he thought: "Science cannot lie, for it's always striving, according to the momentary state of knowledge, to deduce what is true. When it makes a mistake, it does so in good faith. It's Christianity that's the liar. It's in perpetual conflict with itself."
@@graterdeddly9527 I hate to break it to you, but Table Talk is very much an inaccurate source. It was written by rivals of Hitler. There's also no cross reference with any source. As I said before, a lot of neo-Nazis debate whether he was Christian or Pagan. Either way he was objectively not hostile towards all Christianity. Catholicism, sure, but not all Christianity. Look at his own works sometime
Czechoslovakia would probably be against Austria, firstly because of history (anti-austrian sentiment was quite usual after WW1) and secondly because Austria was catholic and Czechoslovakia was quite anti-clerical (not so much as today, after communism but still much more then most european countries).
Surprised the soviets where not mentioned at all, but then again Stalin at this point was a expansionist only against minor powers and moments of opportunity and negotiation being far more focused on internal development so it is very much possible he sits this war out, but takes advantage of the aftermath to push communist influence or enter last minute against the catholic league/union in order to seize polish lands.
They would probably stay out of the war and then attack the winner when they are weak. Stalin was only dragged into WW2 because Germany had ideological reasons to attack the USSR. In this timeline he would probably have taken time to build his strength. Also, communism would probably be very attractive for people not accepting the new religious world order.
There's no reason for a war with Yugoslavia, us Serbs were already planning on kicking the Croats and Slovenes out (removing their countries from Yugoslavia), so there would not be any war or "liberation", they would just be amputated from the rest of Yugoslavia. I believe Yugoslavia would also have great ties with the Catholic union after that amputation as a means of getting protection from the atheist Soviet Union.
That… went off the rails very quickly. I don’t think that war could possibly work, because many of the populations were too pluralistic and still too scarred by WW1.
I don't mind it, I'm with Alternate Histories that wacky.
The religious war just doesnt make sense
@@xhorus88 religious war, at the 20th century seems a hell of a stretch
@@gabrielpiccini4737 cough cough Saudi-Iranian conflict cough cough
@@zackkilgore528 most of the Middle East cough cough cough
Okay... Not gonna lie, the return of XVI century religious wars to European continent was the LEAST thing I expected from that scenario 😳
same
so this is where the drama started...
As an austrian that wrote a research paper on Austrofascism, I have a few thoughts.
00:47 - no, Austrians did not want an Anschluss. They did after the Great Depression, but not in the early years of the First Republic.
01:23 - the Christian Social party did not use the Kruckenkreuz until the VF was established.
02:21 - Italian fascism was the prime influence on Austrofascism. If you don't believe me, look at the letters between Dollfuß and Mussolini. It's straight up in black on white, you can find them in the Austrian National Archives.
03:51 - I don't know what you're smoking but Germany would not have invaded Austria, especially as Austria was being guaranteed by the Italians (and also the Hungarians, which you did not mention once).
04:45 - 'the Allies would go to war with Germany' complete bollocks. Offensive war on the side on the Allies would have been impossible.
05:15 - in what world does Austria even want Bavaria? That has literally never been a movement, lmao.
05:38 - "Restore their empire" are you willfully ignoring any actual historical facts by this point?
Anything after the invasion of Austria by Germany, this video is extreme fiction and disregards literally anything historical.
Hello, I love Austrian culture, art, history, music and civilization🙂
As Italian, I would like to know what you Austrians think of us Italians😅
I'm always worried that you Austrians also today think we are responsible for the end of your Empire in 1918...It wasn't just only our responsibility, it wasn't what we wanted anyway. Or that you make South Tyrol the decisive issue in relations between our countries (South Tyrol enjoys such autonomy that it is almost an independent state).
My dream is to refound the Austro-Hungarian Empire (which I consider the most beautiful and romantic, after that of ancient Rome), but this time including all of Italy as well, not just the northern regions and, of course, with same rights and duties for all the peoples (on the other hand I think we should have given up Czechoslovakia and some regions like Galicia etc.). Maybe the most favorable period was exactly between 1932-'36: years in which we tried to create new, positive relations between our countries. Would it have been possible? How would Austrian public opinion have received this project? I don't know today how many possibilities there are but, of course, I would like. Where can I read your research paper on Austrofascism?🙂
Ok, greetings from Italy🙂
This scenario would require an absolutely massive Christian revival in the 20th century, a very great change in thought and focus within the state institutions of countries like Britain and the US and the non-relevance (or at the very least non-intervention) of the Soviet threat that most of these countries tended to prioritise.
austria, italy and spain were very catholic at the time with the state pushing for more catholicism and also basing it's power on the religion
What if France was divided after Napoleonic Wars and everyone got a piece of friends that would be interesting because of the future wars in the coming decades with Austria Prussia and Russia
that actually would be very easy to achieve, The Southern third of France was traditionally Occitan speaking so it would be very easy to awaken a seperate identity within them
What if Joe Biden remained as a Right Wing political figure
uh...when was he a right wing political figure at all?@@Averof8234
when lack of anschluss equals another 30 years war. damn that's new
Oh, the flag at 2:06 is not the one used by Federal State of Austria, it is that of the Second Austrian Republic (1945-present) The Federal-State-eagle had two heads, and the hammer, sickle, and chains were absent.
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Interesting
What if Benedict Arnold capture Quebec City and won glory for himself, he never becomes a turncoat
Better way to word this: "What if Benedict Arnold just got credit for what he did"
With how he was treated despite everything he did, I would probably go turncoat too. From his prospective he was betrayed by his country, not the other way around.
@@John.McMillan I still want he to capture Quebec City and open the table for bring Canada into the Union
I'm gonna be honest, I made quite a few mistakes with this scenario, but I'm still real happy with how it turned out!
You fine. For me it's good entertainment. I'm not sure about the whole religious war 2.0, but it is pretty weird. 🤔
It's still good don't worry comrade
hows his basement like?
@@Akrafena 😳
Honestly it was a pretty fun scenario either way
Not really in the realms of reality but a pretty cool concept nonetheless. I could see something like this happening in a HoI4 lobby, but that’s about it.
lmao real
NS Germany was not atheist in any sense of the word and it was not infiltrators that wanted unification with Germany, but the overwhelming majority of the Austrian people
This went extremely far-fetched holy shit
I'm happy that austria is in a video
Fun fact: Before the British and US naval blockades in the Atlantic during the war. Italy and Germany were heavy Latin American trade partners and several leaders in the region admired Hitler, Mussolini and Hirohito in addition to similar parties in Brazil and Mexico. Figure this trade would increase alot more under a European Latin Bloc in addition to fascist parties in the region getting boosts from the bloc as well.
A slightly goofy scenario but still fun to watch!
For the Japan, I want to see What if Japan was become a colony of USA or What if Japan was divided like Germany and Korea after the WW2. :)
One thing I thought of is.
What if Douglas Mcarther became Emporer of Japan? He creates a republican system like we have in America. But with him as Emporer in the Executive branch.
I know it’s Italian shogunate levels of crazy but that why I love it.
Asia would have definitely played a major role in the Cold War if Japan was divided.
Japan is to this day a militarily occupied colony of America
@@minnesotanfreedomist3147 That will be an awesome thing to see.
I had a scenario where a Kaifeng Jewish man marries a Korean Heir to the throne. She converts to Judaism, and they have a Korean Jewish dynasty.
I’m Chinese and Jewish and have a crush on my Korean best friend who is culturally Jewish.
Bro this video went from Plausible to Hoi4 non-historical ai
Treaty of St. Germain, was a treaty that should’ve allowed both nations too unify if both wanted it.
It wasnt because that would be basically compensating Germany. And "should have"-s are very naive and hopeful.
They shouldn't have signed the treaty to begin with.
@@kaanyasin3733 but it’s also the death of the allies self described goal of self determination
@@edelweiss7928 Well i guess fuck the polish am i right? The Nazis also said that poland attacked them. De jure and der facto arent the same. They didnt Want to do anything exept to make fun of germany
both treaties should have atleast make the Anschluss ban temporarily lets say for like 10 or 15 years
Happy Easter everyone.
Christ is Risen! 🙏🏻
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eventhough i'm catholic myself, but my ancestry is in upper silesia, which would be in Northern Germany, I would love to see how this play out. I am certain the soviets would join in to go after the poles.
But upper Silesia is roughly as south as Bavaria (~Ausburg)
@@overlord165 It was also part of the prussian province of Silesia. It also was more north than Bavaria. I guess you mistake it with Swabia, which is a governmental region in Bavaria. Augsburg is the capital of that Region.
@aryanlatinxtrapstar88 it is geographically more northern than Bavaria. And i refer to it as "would be in Northern Germany" in context of the video. In this Alternate History, Germany is split in 2 states, a southern and a northern one, and Silisia, in this scenario, is situated in Northern Germany, so the northern german state.
@@JustAToeBee Prussia was more northern but Silesia is Geographiaclly as much North as Bavaria (both now and then)
@@overlord165 Back than bavaria was furthern south than Silesia and it is to this day. The Southern most point of the polish voivodship of Silesia, the southern omst point of czech silesia and ancient silesia is about the same height as Nuremberg in Bavaria.
I can only imagine the Soviets laughing on the sidelines.
Meanwhile Stalin watching and waiting to push millions of troops to take over Europe
If Dollfuss survives, the future of Austria and Fascism are better than our timeline and path of WW2 will changed forever.
but not for the Jews. I fear that they might still end up... in a bad place. During the last series of religious wars, Jews became targets of both Protestants and Catholics.
I can see Pope Pius 11/12 offically declaring the conflict as a Crusade in order to bolster morale within the Catholic Union.
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Always an interesting take but predicting a second 30 Years War between Catholic and Protestant is a bit unlikely in that time frame. Latin fascism was more cordial to the church than the Hitlerian version, but even Franco kept the Church in a position to support him Politically in exchange for him supporting them religiously. Mussolini made peace with the church, but was an atheist personally and wanted a glorious empire. It’s hard to see these allegiances on either side being enough to hold an alliance together. Then again,
Richelieu was on the wrong side back in the 30 year, so raison d’etat justifies a lot.
Incredibly enjoyable and informative video. One of my favorites to date. I'd love to see this play out further.
Turned from WW2 to Crusader Kings real quick
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What if Soviet push their forces to Manchukuo after the Battle of Khalkhin Gol, China advance their forces through Korea, Manchuria divided in half or communist seize it, Mongolia annexed Inner Mongolia, Korea is independence, and Japan will fall apart after the war.
Not much difference from IRL. Just Japan- American war never happens...
Eastern Orthodox just be chillin
It's really interesting theory. Not realistic, but refreshing.
I follow this up until after the defeat of Mustache Man. You just totally forgot the existence of Russia, Japan, and that slapping event more reparations on Germany while taking even more industry away from Germany just leads to that mess making the Great Depression even worse. Thus I'm not really sure you see this religious WWII, especially when Germany would be a crippled nation. Feels far more likely we eventually see the Soviet Union try and invade something that leads to Europe fighting them, or closest to your scenario a three way war in Europe. Then honestly you likely just have the US and Japan off doing their own Pacific war separate from Europe.
I love josh’s voice! His accent is simple, cute and charming honestly :)
And this is an interesting scenario
Nice setting for HoI game, but the soviets would capitalise on such conflict.
So we'll basically get another religious war in Europe like in The 18th Century.
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What if France had joined The Central Powers in World War I?
When a Avoided Anschluss leads to the 2nd comming of the 30 years War (Religious Leauge War in the HRR aka modern Germany)
I like it very much! ❤😊
I am pretty sure that France and UK won't intervene. But Italian army in 1936 was bigger than German, so they could deal alone with them. And after armistice some international Conference would be called, reparations on Germany would be installed and Nazis would be removed from power. But that's NOT all. Spain - civil war there would be won by communists. And communism would rise in Germany too, and in France ( communists IRL had big influence here). Communist block would be created, with USSR, Germany and France, Practically surrounding Poland. With such backing USSR won't shy to invade Baltics and Finland ( just like IRL).
Next move would be invasion of Poland, but this time Poland would be made a dependent rump state, instead of division. Germany would just get Danzig and Western Prussia, while USSR would get lands lost in Soviet- Polish war. Would this spark WW2? No, I don't think UK alone would go to war, and USA was not ready yet and didn't have any wish to intervene European affairs.
In the next move USSR would invade Manchuria ( with German support ) to stop Japan from conquering China...
USA won't participate any conflict up to start of Cold War. Italy, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Austria and Hungary would form anti-communist block. But due to common distrust they won't act without USA support.
I was also a little surprised communism didn't get a line in this one. Hope you don't mind some friendly discussion.
Going chronologically:
1. Germany had the communist parties very effectively quelled in 1933-34 with internment of political prisoners, so unless the German-speaking communists repopulated the country quickly after an Italian response, I do not think communism would be a serious concern in a post-Weimar Germany so soon. France, Britain, and the USA all had problems with communists. Churchill associated with Leninists, Paris was rife with Trotskyites, and FDR's administration was being filled with Stalinists. In the UK , the commies were hawks who spurred the country towards war with NAZI Germany. I am less aware of what the intent was for commies in France; I assume it was destabilization and political immobilization. In the USA, Stalinist commies were functionally isolationist but any others were mostly concerned with reacting to NAZI persecution and began a (mostly ineffectual) boycott of German products in 1933.
2. The Austrian Anschluss occurred in 1938, two years after he start of the Spanish Civil War. If that timelines stayed the same, then Germany would probably have provided enough aid to ensure a Nationalist victory. However, Dolfuss was assassinated in 1934 so the invasion of Austria might have been moved up some yet Franco had his air bridge finished in July 1936. I think he'd still make it into the peninsula with the same loaned air power.
3. Germany & USSR didn't invade Poland until 1939 IRL, so I doubt Hitler would move that event forward because he wouldn't have absorbed the Austrian divisions. If the invasion was placed later in the timeline, the Poland would probably get defense assistance from a Catholic ally. In your response I am not sure if you are separately taking the issue of Poland or consequentially to the elimination of the NAZI party.
4. I think the Comintern would focus on preventing France from entering a Catholic league in the alt timeline. It is the biggest state they had a chance of working on, It prevents a contiguous continental league, and it is the most spiritually compromised with the many curses laid upon it during the previous revolutions. One might expect a French civil war, or a transition to more discreet influence as was seen IRL after WWII which leads to a slow burn/ slippery slope cascade. I was unsure if this was a characteristic of middle-Stalinism, but he adopted this tactic against the Catholic Church in the late 1920's by commanding that organized communists funnel communists and special bottom fun friends into seminaries. Would this focus on France detract from their influence in other areas? I do not know at the moment.
I am not sure what would happen in the East.
@@PatrickKniesler yes, you're correct. I kinda forgotten that Anschluss happened in 1938, after quelling of German communists and the Spanish Civil War almost won by Franco... And German army already began reforming. This would make things more complicated, Italy would have troubles to actually invade Germany if they hold Austrian border. And it would require some action from France and UK, at least a diplomatic pressure to stop the war, like IRL UK would start Naval blockade, while France would start slow mobilization...From here history could go sideways, 1 Germany backs down, Hitler stays but pais reparations... 2 Germany uses stalemate with Italy as pause to enlarge their army, and invades France next year... Poland would be a wild card here, they could stab Germany in the back, also Molotov- Ribbentrop pact won't be signed in time.
Anyway Italy would save it's empire and fascism would get a good reputation as legitimate ideology.
In the future that would mean much smaller communist block in Europe. Yugoslavia would stay a monarchy, Czechoslovakia - democracy, Poland may go fascist with return of Pilsudski, Bulgaria and Romania- monarchy.
Additional Protestant Nations to Join the Protestant Side-Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Scandinavian nations.
Tbh this is one of the most interesting alternative scenario
My good man! I absolutely did not see you spinning this scenario into a crusade over Elbe, but hey - Deus Vult!
Basically the 30 Years War round 2
Little tiny Dolfuss was CRINGE
Germany did nothing wrong dealing with the Austrian dwarf
I don’t think the allies would have won here. In Austria the Germans would face no resistance, Italys military is a scrapyard and France and Britian would persue the same tactic as in our timeline which would be waiting for Germany to attack their defensive position, since they themselves need a lot of time to mobilise. So despite the fact that Germany is missing a year of preparation Germany would still win. The allies couldn’t attack Germany first they were absolutely not prepared for that
I`m A protestant, but with A map looking like that the Catholics would probably take the win unless they get so desperate that they might even kiss the feet of America. So Austria doesn't and its allies don't wipe the rest of Germany off the map like Poland twice by the Germans and the Russians along with I am probably wrong also by Catherine the great. Which when you think of it that way is hilariously ironic.
What if the great purge never happened
Dollfuss lives and Fascist Austria would survive until Italy became isolated over Abyssinia and got closer to Germany as in OTL.
Germany would not be invading fellow Germans in Fascist Austria AND Fascist Italy. Simple as.
5:53 A closer union between Czechs, Slovakians and Hungarians, right after the disastrous Trianon treaty that saw millions of Hungarians finding themselves in foreign countries despite not leaving their birthplaces? And at a time where there was massive amount of distrust between Czechs and Slovakians as well?
Also even if (through some miracle) such union comes true, at 7:07 if Hungary tries to retake ANY of its former territories the union crumbles immediately because the Slovaks (warranted or not) react like they're next.
The map at 08:04 misses out the Protestant Dutch, the Protestant Danes, the Protestant Swedes, the Protestant Baltic nations... It would rebalance the may to include the Protestant nations that would be involved.
This is a good vid, Possible history's opinion can go in the bin.
I love your collaborattions! And yeah, Austria deserved much better! it will always be the home of the great habsburg dynasty!
Such a war might last 30 years
Truly a blessed timeline.
Josh you should replace Z for so many times that you were in his channel
the classical music sets the mood
*"Yo Monsieur Z"*
Can you do
"WHAT IF THE ADAL SULTANTE BEAT ETHIOPIA IN THE ADAL AXUM WAR"*
Josh, be honest, you kidnapped Z and took over his channel didn't you?
30 Year War 2.0 in the mid-20th century doesn't sound very feasible on a continent that was largely secular by this time
German National Socialism was Secularist, not Atheist. There's a huge difference. Odinism was fairly common amongst high ranking officials, as were various branches of Christianity. It's commonplace for neo-Nazis today to argue about whether Hitler was Pagan or Christian.
Exactly. Atheism implies it was ever at odds with the religious institutions within the nation. Secularism says "render unto Caesar that which is Caesars"
Hitler was hostile to the Catholic Church while Dolfuss sought its support, so his point is well supported.
@@graterdeddly9527 Opposing Catholicism is not the same thing as being Atheist. His point that the two disagreed on religion is well supported, but calling Germany an Atheist state is not supported at all. Hitler called himself Christian (but not Catholic). Compare that to the Soviet Union where all religion was banned (making it a truly Atheist state) and you should see my point. Confusing Atheist and Secularist is a huge mistake.
@@Chr0n0s38 No, Hitler used Christianity when it suited him, but he was an atheist much like Mussolini or Lenin. The Nazis were not as totalitarian as the Soviet Union in that particular since they didn’t attempt to stamp out religion and private property, but they did want to absorb control over all power centers into themselves eventually. Nazism didn’t have atheism as a tenet the way Marxism does, nor the destruction of the family, which is also in the communist manifesto. Certain Nazis also embraced a kind of Germanic paganism, some call it Odinism though that’s not quite accurate, but they did use those old Nordic aspects that one could call religious in a way, even if quite different than the Judeo-Christian belief system. The distinction in the video is important and perhaps the term "atheism" is a bit overstated but Hitler did have a distinct hostility to the Catholic Church and Christianity. This is a quote I find helpful from his "Table Talk" interviews, which are interesting background to what he thought:
"Science cannot lie, for it's always striving, according to the momentary state of knowledge, to deduce what is true. When it makes a mistake, it does so in good faith. It's Christianity that's the liar. It's in perpetual conflict with itself."
@@graterdeddly9527 I hate to break it to you, but Table Talk is very much an inaccurate source. It was written by rivals of Hitler. There's also no cross reference with any source. As I said before, a lot of neo-Nazis debate whether he was Christian or Pagan. Either way he was objectively not hostile towards all Christianity. Catholicism, sure, but not all Christianity. Look at his own works sometime
The hills would still be alive with the sound of music.
Czechoslovakia would probably be against Austria, firstly because of history (anti-austrian sentiment was quite usual after WW1) and secondly because Austria was catholic and Czechoslovakia was quite anti-clerical (not so much as today, after communism but still much more then most european countries).
What if the tianaman square protests marked the end of the CCP
Correction: The Nazi regime wasnt atheist they were christian but anti church.
I think you're strongly overestimating the extent to which European nations of the mid 20th century would have gone to war over theology.
Austria is a German state and wanted to be part of Germany. The annex was inevitable. Germany wanted to be United. However they took it too far.
And my guy was talking about unrealistic scenarios. And this started the argument?
2:34 Two Austrians
What if Japan never attacked Pearl Harbor?
What if WW1 started in 1880s? ( Italian- French argument about Tunisia)
i dont see how protestantisme vs catolicime can happen in the 20th century wasnt it finish in the 30 years war
Surprised the soviets where not mentioned at all, but then again Stalin at this point was a expansionist only against minor powers and moments of opportunity and negotiation being far more focused on internal development so it is very much possible he sits this war out, but takes advantage of the aftermath to push communist influence or enter last minute against the catholic league/union in order to seize polish lands.
So your saying in a time of extreme nationalism, that religion would be a unifyer. Yeah this was a bad alternate history that would never happen
What if ww2 never happened
"the Z-man"
nice
part 2 please
Sounds like the 1700 all over again
thought it was the vaterlandische front instead of CS, no?
Wait, what about the soviets?
They would probably stay out of the war and then attack the winner when they are weak. Stalin was only dragged into WW2 because Germany had ideological reasons to attack the USSR. In this timeline he would probably have taken time to build his strength. Also, communism would probably be very attractive for people not accepting the new religious world order.
what the soviets be doing tho
Purgesmaxxing
Day 64 of asking for what if the Zulu beat the British out of South Africa
Hey what happened to your video on what if switzerland wasn't neutral?
What if the German lands of Austria-Hungary were allowed to unite with Germany.
The ending was wierd as heck
Jash is not an adequate replacement for Mr. C.
Why is Jash in Mr C's video?
Sweden, Denmark Finland and Norway would side with the Protestants
What if there was a Second Mexican-American war in 1861/1862 instead of the Civil war?
Nice
Realistically germany would've probably destroyed Austria and Italy because Germany has a stronger industry
Not against UK and France as well
There's no reason for a war with Yugoslavia, us Serbs were already planning on kicking the Croats and Slovenes out (removing their countries from Yugoslavia), so there would not be any war or "liberation", they would just be amputated from the rest of Yugoslavia. I believe Yugoslavia would also have great ties with the Catholic union after that amputation as a means of getting protection from the atheist Soviet Union.
Is Anchluss like a ww1 or ww2 thing
Because to me it sounds like it
it's 1938, 1 year before WW2, where the Austrian leader was shot by a Nazi, then annexed by Germany
What if Napoleon destroyed Austrian Empire?
I would really like to see what if the United Kingdom of Israel didn’t split in 930 BC.
Good
What a crazy, weird shit… nothing in this video makes any sense…
Voltaire is rolling in his grave
Why is it that all these empires are fucked now like if the empires were so bad why is it worse now
What if America had 2 consuls.
Long Live my Catholic Brothers! DEUS VULT!!! ✊🏻✊🏻✊🏻