Personally I really enjoy VOY, but I can understand why some people don't. And it's honestly because it challenged a lot of preconceived notions of uniformity amongst canon. Where DS9 showed the lines of morality more grey, VOY showed the lines of rank & file more grey. DS9 & VOY showed us that Starfleet isn't a bunch of goody-goody scouts, but can still strive for egalitarianism all the same. A notion lost on later series and non-canonical content that followed after ENT that depicted Starfleet as antagonistic and amoral.
They should be no Voyager to find for a good reason. If deck 9 to 14 have been compacted, what about the warp core and the antimatter containment tanks ? That should have lead a warp core or antimatter explosion
It's just bad writing; however, from one point of view it IS morally reprehensible. In the future that Admiral Janeway comes from (which is the same future Picard sees in TNG's finale) Starfleet is relatively similar to how it was in the last. It simply seems slightly higher tech. However, since Admiral Janeway did her time "wishy washy timey wimey", the future is now what you see in Star Trek Picard. Rejoice, for Janeway created Star Trek Picard with her frivolous time travel. PS: this is a big joke. I really don't care one way or another. The original point I had was that it was bad writing. That's it. They didn't work for the answer, it just fell in their laps.
Would the escape pods have still functioned coming out ot the slipstream? Could the crew have evacuated after they came out of the slip stream by jettisoning escape pods when they lost control of the ship?
Honestly I think the bigger question is how the hell is there still a ship. Full Impulse, if I remember right, is about one quarter the speed of light. At that speed, with the size and mass of Voyager, I'm pretty sure it would have done a hell of a lot more than compact the bottom decks and bury it in the ice. Especially after the antimatter containment in the warp core would likely fail and all that antimatter would then be loose.
th-cam.com/video/lkVI44a0Hcc/w-d-xo.html Look at the way Voyager's nose bounces up after that impact. That's a HUGE g-force spike right there. Just that impact should have been enough. Remember that inertial dampeners do literally nothing with weapon impacts? I mean, it's all the can do to keep themselves from flying across the bridge every time a little photon torpedo hits the shields. Inertial dampeners seem to do better with broad strokes, like going to warp or throwing the ship into a spin, and quicker, unplanned changes in velocity slip through the cracks. So, looking at how her nose just flicks up so fast and so far after the planetary impact, it wouldn't be unsafe to assume that literally every solid on Voyager would have been damaged to some extent, and the fleshy crewmembers should have been liquefied.
How did did the Delta Flyer make it throw if it needed corrections also or is this a hole loop or did Voyager because it was a larger ship need special corrections...it make my head hurt. At least Harry is no longer a ensign...even though they made LT. Paris a ensign then back to LT and they also promote Tuvok to a LT commander they could have made Harry a LT but he was a butt of many jokes next to the Doctor he has been made captain more then Chakotay and Tuvok yet he was only an ensign the whole 7 year journey and he never gets the chick.
How difficult was it to just miss the planet instead of crashing into it. Seriously it's too much of a convenience that they emerge directly into the path of the planet instead of a star or black hole in the way. Were they intentionally trying to bullseye crash the ship into the planet instead of being stuck in orbit.
They deliberately attempted to land in a sort of "get us down before she breaks apart" rationale, which I find completely unbelievable. The writers started with the image of Voyager buried in the ice, and then wrote stuff to make it happen.
Due to the sheer amount of empty space between everything it’s extremely unlikely to hit anything because even at high warp speed you’ll only come across 3-4 solar systems in a day.
Hold on. The entire point of the last jedi was the fleet could fly past a planet with thrusters and the first order would never figure out where they abandoned ship. And now you are saying one would only go past a couple of planets at high warp!? I'm shocked.
It's airplane disaster logic. If a window breaks go to a lower altitude so folks can breathe. If your starship is under stress at zero gravity just slam into a planet.
@@orionpax0946 every possible flavor? Challenge accepted, then this Discovery-like dialogue is right for you. "Oh, Harry, finally we`re alone, quick, we don`t have much time" "Yes, Chakotay, I was waiting for this for too long!"
I think since Harry was on the Flyer they knew she took on his opts station on the bridge. Thus they knew where she or rather her frozen body was likely to located. I wonder why they did not show Tuvok or Tom's body just her and Janeway's. After all Tom was the one who discovered their problem.
The opening music here is absolutely FANTASTIC. The stuff dreams are made of!
they did it on a moog
@@jessihawkins9116 now that is interesting. how can you tell?
A very SAD but uplifting episode in the end.
Pour one out for the set dec people who had to put all that fake snow shit on the sets and then clean it off for the next episode
no it was all done with cgi and stuff
They shot this episode last in the season. The whole set got pulled down and redone for the next season anyway.
I was thinking the same thing! What a mess.
Nope all wrong…filmed on location on planet Uranus 🎉😮😅
Voyager haters need to chill out and watch this cool episode.
I just don’t get why Voyager met with such a chilly reception from some Trek fans.
Personally I really enjoy VOY, but I can understand why some people don't. And it's honestly because it challenged a lot of preconceived notions of uniformity amongst canon. Where DS9 showed the lines of morality more grey, VOY showed the lines of rank & file more grey. DS9 & VOY showed us that Starfleet isn't a bunch of goody-goody scouts, but can still strive for egalitarianism all the same. A notion lost on later series and non-canonical content that followed after ENT that depicted Starfleet as antagonistic and amoral.
When ur paid to lie there covered in 'snow' for the first few minutes of an episode
Better than having to be the one in the heavy jacket in a hot studio. 😋
It’s not real snow
@@jessihawkins9116 perhaps not, but 7 of 9 seems to have two quite perky opinions on the cold.
0:16 Oh wait this isn't Hoth.
🤣🤣🤣
**cuts into talaxian**
it will keep you warm longer
"Your ensign will freeze to death before you reach the first marker!"
"Then we'll see you in hell! Hyah!"
That "Meteorite" that Luke saw crash, that was just Voyager. 😊
They should be no Voyager to find for a good reason.
If deck 9 to 14 have been compacted, what about the warp core and the antimatter containment tanks ? That should have lead a warp core or antimatter explosion
So Janeway "destroys" her future timeline and people can't shut up about how terrible it is...
It's just bad writing; however, from one point of view it IS morally reprehensible.
In the future that Admiral Janeway comes from (which is the same future Picard sees in TNG's finale) Starfleet is relatively similar to how it was in the last. It simply seems slightly higher tech.
However, since Admiral Janeway did her time "wishy washy timey wimey", the future is now what you see in Star Trek Picard. Rejoice, for Janeway created Star Trek Picard with her frivolous time travel.
PS: this is a big joke. I really don't care one way or another. The original point I had was that it was bad writing. That's it. They didn't work for the answer, it just fell in their laps.
^ Nope. Only Klutzmann could produce something as awful as STP.
@@jimtaylor294 I mean, as a TV show STP isn't bad, pretty good actually, it's just as a Star Trek show it's just... meh....
^ Then we disagree. In my book it's just bad full stop.
yeah when janeway does it bad but when Harry butthole Kim does it he’s a hero 😒
Please state the na...ture… of... the...
"long time no see"
Okay if power grid is destroyed how are the bridge lights flickering?
Emergency power was likely barely functioning.
@@Firthy2002 power from where again grid down. Means no power transfer ability
@@paulrasmussen8953 Emergency grid would be separate from the main power grid.
@@paulrasmussen8953 It's ok man, everyone forgets about batteries every now and then.
@@Synthmilk I know about batteries. But when I think power grid. I think of the connections.
Seven of nine, the ice queen.
frozen queen
I knew she was frigid, but damn
@@thehantavirus Someone needs to tell future Harry to let it go
Watch out frozen, a new girl is here
Awww. 😘👍😋
A couple of years before this, Chakotay and Janeway fell in love.
So I don’t know how I would feel if I saw the dead body of the woman I loved…
Isn't it funny how despite the giant size of the ship all it takes is brushing through some powdery snow to see it through solid ice
I think that scaling shot on the ice, was a. It off
"Yes, it is cold in here." - 7 of 9
Would the escape pods have still functioned coming out ot the slipstream? Could the crew have evacuated after they came out of the slip stream by jettisoning escape pods when they lost control of the ship?
Voyager episode 100.
How the hell are there solid corpses on Voyager after the way she bounced around on the planet?
Good point, some of them should be twisted and broken at least.
They probably put the inertial dampeners and shields to max. Couldn't save their lives but at least there'd be something left to bury.
Please, Janeway's coffee cup didn't even fall off the table.
Honestly I think the bigger question is how the hell is there still a ship. Full Impulse, if I remember right, is about one quarter the speed of light. At that speed, with the size and mass of Voyager, I'm pretty sure it would have done a hell of a lot more than compact the bottom decks and bury it in the ice. Especially after the antimatter containment in the warp core would likely fail and all that antimatter would then be loose.
th-cam.com/video/lkVI44a0Hcc/w-d-xo.html
Look at the way Voyager's nose bounces up after that impact. That's a HUGE g-force spike right there. Just that impact should have been enough.
Remember that inertial dampeners do literally nothing with weapon impacts? I mean, it's all the can do to keep themselves from flying across the bridge every time a little photon torpedo hits the shields.
Inertial dampeners seem to do better with broad strokes, like going to warp or throwing the ship into a spin, and quicker, unplanned changes in velocity slip through the cracks.
So, looking at how her nose just flicks up so fast and so far after the planetary impact, it wouldn't be unsafe to assume that literally every solid on Voyager would have been damaged to some extent, and the fleshy crewmembers should have been liquefied.
How did did the Delta Flyer make it throw if it needed corrections also or is this a hole loop or did Voyager because it was a larger ship need special corrections...it make my head hurt. At least Harry is no longer a ensign...even though they made LT. Paris a ensign then back to LT and they also promote Tuvok to a LT commander they could have made Harry a LT but he was a butt of many jokes next to the Doctor he has been made captain more then Chakotay and Tuvok yet he was only an ensign the whole 7 year journey and he never gets the chick.
How difficult was it to just miss the planet instead of crashing into it. Seriously it's too much of a convenience that they emerge directly into the path of the planet instead of a star or black hole in the way. Were they intentionally trying to bullseye crash the ship into the planet instead of being stuck in orbit.
They deliberately attempted to land in a sort of "get us down before she breaks apart" rationale, which I find completely unbelievable.
The writers started with the image of Voyager buried in the ice, and then wrote stuff to make it happen.
@@epiendless1128 They were so close to the planet that they didn't had time to evacuate into the life pods.
Due to the sheer amount of empty space between everything it’s extremely unlikely to hit anything because even at high warp speed you’ll only come across 3-4 solar systems in a day.
Hold on. The entire point of the last jedi was the fleet could fly past a planet with thrusters and the first order would never figure out where they abandoned ship. And now you are saying one would only go past a couple of planets at high warp!? I'm shocked.
It's airplane disaster logic. If a window breaks go to a lower altitude so folks can breathe. If your starship is under stress at zero gravity just slam into a planet.
This, or something very similar to this, episode should have been the season finally.
Chakotay: Hey, Harry,
go outside, I have an unfinished business with 7 of Mine, and maybe Janeway
That is just about every possible flavor of sick and wrong.
wouldn't it be a bit rough being frozen SOLID
stay frosty
@@orionpax0946 every possible flavor? Challenge accepted, then this Discovery-like dialogue is right for you.
"Oh, Harry, finally we`re alone, quick, we don`t have much time"
"Yes, Chakotay, I was waiting for this for too long!"
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 You were touched as a child weren't you?
Ye
gee guys... wonder how we knew that was 7of9.
By her comm badge, of course. grin
@@xaenon I thought it was her implants.
@@ZEZERBING lol..... good one!
I think since Harry was on the Flyer they knew she took on his opts station on the bridge. Thus they knew where she or rather her frozen body was likely to located. I wonder why they did not show Tuvok or Tom's body just her and Janeway's. After all Tom was the one who discovered their problem.
@@Sf-qu3he dude, we're talking boobs!! Just joking around. But seriously, you would think Janeway would be in the capt. Chair.?
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