I have been debating between several machines over the past few weeks… This video convinced me on the Gaggia with the new boiler and it also convinced me that you were the right guys to buy from! Order placed today. Thanks for the great videos and deep dive information.
Hey d, Thanks for sharing - sku on our site is GACLAE24CR. Product name will always have "E24" www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-e24?variant=43085101006902 Marc
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I think we all need Gaggia Classic Pro E24 Evo PID for $650 now. I bet that thing would blow everything else from the market for this price.
@@akfisher7138Didnt try yet, still waiting for mine. You get a pcb and a dispaly and connect it, should be doable unless you want to build your own from scratch
My old 35 year old La Pavoni machine would have cost hundreds to repair, so I just ordered this Gaggia from WLL. With the coming trade tariffs and a Black Friday deal, I figured it was the best time to buy. The simple repairability was huge plus, as was the all brass boiler. :o)
Your La Pavoni if serviced would be good for next 35 years. I guess still cheaper than new machine but I also get people get tired of something after 35 years of daily contact. You just want another machine and I'm not going to blame you. There are people "upgrading" from thermostat controlled HX to PID HX just after one or two years, that's what I'd call "unexplored perspectives". 35 years is more than OK.
Hi, no special kit needed for the brass boiler. Will fit all Classics with current aluminum boiler. Stay tuned for parts upgrade and how to video coming in late December '24. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Very cool, I like that option. I was also thinking red, or white, with the olive wood trim. Whatever color combo most makes my kitchen feel like "little Italy" every time I walk in!
@mannyr8795 well, someone should tell profitec to stop producing the profitec Go then. Come on, a PID controller isn't 500usd (I paid less than 30 on mine)
People here would be surprised to find out that most of 15000$ commercial machines don’t have PID, and that 100$ capsule machines have one. This is much bigger and more important update than PID
Hi, thanks for the great video. I‘m slightly confused. You said „9 bar“ but the websites all say „15 bar“. Which is it? Also, if I want 9 bar, will have to do the spring upgrade on this machine too? Thanks
Hi jans, I understand the confusion. Since the introduction of the Evo Pro version in mid 2023, all Gaggia Classics (including the new E24 with brass boiler) in North America are equipped with a 9 bar OPV. This may not be the case in all regions of the world. Also a chance some websites may be listing the max pressure output of the pump in a "more is better" specification. Pressure on the coffee is ultimately controlled by the OPV. Not sure what sites you are looking at but our's clearly calls out the 9 bar OPV: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-e24?variant=43085100843062 Hope that helps! Marc
I got one recently for £425. The build-quality is superb. I can't do latte art yet but I am seeking to do some upgrades. Your presentation style is great.
@@tdtm82 cheers. just had a look. on the site it says "This model is the Classic 2024 version which features a polished aluminium boiler." did you get a brass boiler one for that price?
Just wanted to add a bit of context about the temperature instability: Yes, thermoblocks have a way harder time to deliver consistent temperature, but I have seen machines like the Breville Oracle Jet or the Ascaso Dream/Steel machines who use either a very low-mass "thermojet" or a thermoblock who still deliver consistent temperature during the brew. Those are expensive machines and those on the entry-level don't deliver as much as is, but some can have protocols that give them thermal stability within 2 degrees C°! Kaffeemacher has published a video on the delonghi dedica where they have acheved just that and this machine can be had for 150-200$, or used for almost nothing! Before you do the protocol, make sure you set that thing to the lowest temp setting. To do that: 1. Press the steam-button for 10 sec, until the buttons blink twice 2. press the single-shot button for temperature 3. press the single-shot button for the lowest of the 3. Here is the protocol: 1. You pull a full empty double-shot with the portafilter in 2. you pull 2 additional shots but stop at the end of the pre-infusion where it stops the water 3. you take the portafilter out, do your puck-prep. You have 30-60 sec. of this. 4. you pull the shot. If you do multiple shots, just do them back-to-back as everything is still nicely hot. The shots they tested had the temperature never fall out of the 92-95°C range during the shots, aside from the first 3 seconds tbf. Still, the Gaggia Classic has it's well-deserved place as it's simplicity, repairability and build-quality are something to be equaled at this price-point! There is a reason why it serves as a standard-base for many mods like the Gaggiuino.
Breville is all good...until you need to repair it. Good luck dealing with 'em! USA could be different, you just take it back to shop but in other countries one has to deal with proprietary shop who services this proprietary stuff. On other hand, machines built easily available components are a song to service.
Hi d, You will get a lower brew temp if you run before the light comes on. But, timing when to pull is tough. If you wait until the light comes on then do a short flush for a cooler brew temp you're starting from a known and consistent temperature. This method is more consistent and repeatable. You can adjust length of flush shot to shot to change temp in a somewhat predictable manner. Hope that helps! Marc
Great for ristrettos, because the temp drops at the end with the espresso. I love the new brass boiler, it's a game changer and will save Gaggia. A PID isn't necessary.
Brass being a priority if you don't want aluminim poisoning over time but yeah customers are always right we want a PiD over a healthier option. 😂
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@@simonmonty7171 no one says that changes for E24 are bad, they are very good. It is brass, no flaking coating and the main thing is volume! Finally they increased the volume. 100 ml is fine for single shots that italians used to, but with modern style precision baskets for 20-24 g the old boiler is too small. I like a lot light roasts and I had to move to a bigger boiler machine, because with 100ml boiler the temp in 60g shot drops a lot by the end of the shot. So for me the small boiler was the main issue and it is great that they addressed it. The second issue was the temp and I had to do all those tricks mentioned in the video to raise the temp for light roasts brewing until I installed the PID. So for me the new Gaggia with a bigger boiler, PID, lower tray to put scales and latte mugs under the group would be a perfect machine for home. Most of PID kits cost like 100-150 bucks and a lot of people buy them. I believe GCP with a factory installed PID and a bigger boiler for $650, even $700 will be a killer machine. The closest machines for 650-700 with all those features is something from China with unknown reliability...
Miicoffee? Seems pretty legit. My gaggia is not functional after only a bit over two years of use. Gaggia still profits from their reputation but it could change if they don't up their games.
My WLL refurb classic still going strong since 2013. I now have an Auber PID installed for the last 6 months and love it even more. Find me a more reliable and well priced all metal machine with Italian heritage.
Hey P, Thanks for the Q, No mechanical difference - it's about the colors. Gaggia labels the Lobster Red, Sunshine Yellow and Jungle Green E24's "Energy Vibes" Marc
Great video. Will the new boiler sold separately include a new steam valve? I followed the steps to test the steam valve from your other video and verified that my gaggia classic pro is leaking 😢 if I purchase the new boiler for my classic pro then will it include a new steam valve?
Did Gaggia finally fix the boilergate problem with the E24? Boilergate = parts of the internal coating of the boiler would come off and end up in your coffee. How was this fixed? Was the coating improved?
Aluminum boiler was holding it back, now it's nice first and last espresso machine. PID and pressure gauge absence aren't limiting if anyone is looking for them. Marc described routine allowing to start brewing at certain temp (using it for like 10 years with other machine) and once you learn to get 2:1 ratio at 25-30 secs you know exactly if it's right just by looking at coffee flow. Speed, shape and color tell you everything. I'm not even staring at a pressure gauge anymore, why.
Was about to buy new boiler, mine is scaling or losing coating and degrading inside. Clogging all the time.. Guess I can wait a little longer until I can get my hands on a brass one.
Hi A, Upgrading with brass is a good idea - stay tuned for details! If having scale, it's likely due to high calcium content in water. BWT Water & More treatment options mentioned in video can solve that while maintaining proper mineral level through their calcium to magnesium ion-exchange tech. If you go through less than 1 reservoir of water per day the Bestsave drop in reservoir pad filters are a good option. They require 8-10 hours of resident time to work their magic: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestsave-s-anti-scale-filter?variant=14409382723643 The Bestcup option plumbs into the water intake line within the reservoir and treats as water is used: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestcup-m-package?variant=21082523664438 The AQUAlizer pitcher treats quickly and makes good drinking water too: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-aqualizer-2-6-l-pitcher-with-illuminated-baselight-zinc-and-magnesium-cartridge?variant=42432469172278 Marc
Hi 1337, What make/model grinder? Bigger burrs produce more uniformity in grind size, transfer less heat to beans and grind faster. In general 40mm grinders tend to produce a clumpier grind - that's not always true but they tend to be of a design that may cause that. In addition, larger burr grinders usually have more precise grind size adjustment. A 40mm grinder can service the machine but larger burrs with less clumping are capable of producing better espresso. Hope that helps. Marc
Hey t, thanks for the comment. Stay tuned! Individual brass boiler upgrades due to be available end of December. Will do a how to video for the upgrade as well. Marc
Can buy the copper boiler itself? Figure if I get a lot of calcium build up in the OG boiler, I'll upgrade to the copper, take out the PID and add in an arduino.
If I replace the boiler on my Classic (RI8161) with a brass one, I would still have a non-brass group head... and a SS shower plate. Would that be a problem?
Hi p, All Classic group heads are brass although some from early models are chrome plated brass. No problem upgrading any Classic to the brass boiler from aluminum. Marc
Hi p, All are single boiler machines. The Anna and Victoria cost more but have PID temp control. If you are into specialty coffee and want easier precise control of brew temps PID can help. You can adjust brew temps on the E24 by using the method described in this video to get 200F. Then If you want a little cooler for a dark roast on E24 flush again for a couple seconds right before attaching the portafilter and brewing. If you want it a little hotter for a light roast turn on the steam switch for a few seconds then turn it off, attach portafilter and brew. learning "temp surfing" takes a little effort and practice but is very doable! Marc
Question please! I bought my Gaggia Classic Pro a few years ago and love it, mixed with a Baratza sette 270. Even with fresh coffee (my brother and I are roasters) I noticed channeling, with all upgraded parts like a caffeworks disc, better basket, etc. I recently tried a 9 bar pressure spring (instead of the out of the box 14 bar) and the channeling is gone with better mouthfeel, but now i dont have pressure to the steam wand. Thoughts?? Help? Anything in between? 😅😊
Hi p, Thanks for sharing your love of the Classic. In norht America, bothe the Gaggia Classic EVO Pro and the new Pro E24 have a 9 bar spring. Sorry can't speak to OPV in machines outside of North America. In and of itself, changing the OPV in your machine should have no impact on steam pressure. Only thing I can think of is maybe you disturbed the steam thermostat wiring when switching out the OPV as that thermostat is mounted at the top of the near the OPV. Marc
this is awesome news, I could have very easily bumped a wire, so I will reset it. Thank you so much for the information! Also, when they are out, I am totally buying a new brass boiler
The E24 has the brass boiler which is a little larger and has better thermal characteristics than the aluminum boiler in the EVO Pro. Otherwise, the 2 machines are identical. Marc
@@agastya2511 Hi, I'd go for the E24 w/brass boiler here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-e24?variant=43085100843062 Check out the extra gifts available with purchase now. Pricing is essentially the same for the older EVO Pro model and the newer E24. Marc
@@agastya2511people only had problem with the old boilers.thats why they switched boilers every couple of years from aluminum to coated to brass now. Go for the new brass boiler, which is a huge upgrade! I ordered my e24 but theyre sold out rn where i live... have to wait for 2025
This is a game changer, its now worth going to effort doing the Guagguino mod with the PID as the boiler will finally be consistent enough to make proper espresso as opposed to espresso as a base for milk drinks.
While I agree the increased thermal capacity is a step forward, I get excellent espresso results with temperature surfing using the steam button to boost the temp. I don't see a reason to upgrade until they add a PID; we shouldn't need to void the warranty to get the machine we want.
@@gnet09 Thats ridiculous, there is no such thing as excellent espresso with temperature surfing unless your making milk based drinks, its not like you need a warranty on this thing anyone can fix themselves easily. Moreover, the PID allow you to change the temperature for different roast profiles, you cannot do that in stock. So if you want espresso with a light roast you can bump up the temp and drop it for a dark roast.
Nope. The boiler is still too small for real thermal stability. That said, the best espresso shots come from spring lever machines that have both declining temperature and pressure as the shot finishes. And these small-boiler machines can - with the addition of simple flow control - emulate that incredibly well. So I disagree completely with your “milk based drinks” comment.
@@Gk2003m I have a dimmer knob mod for flow control with a PID so it does create great espresso but without a PID , no.... I agree lever machines make the best espresso
do you know temperature variation without flushing etc. Please repeat experiment. That would be informative. Many people will not bother with flushing/temp surfing.
Hi a, Thanks for the request. For those seeking precise brew temps the easy flush technique demoed in video is the way to go. Like any machine controlled by a thermostat and even PID controlled HX boiler machines there will be a temperature range depending on where the machine is in its heating cycle (non PID single boilers) and time since last use or idle duration (HX boiler).
I’ve heard pulling 2 shots back to back with the GCP is really difficult do consistently. What’s the capability of this machine for pulling back to back shots compared to the regular GCP?
I have an Evo purchased through you. The garbage internal coating on the boiler irks me. Gaggia should replace it with this brass boiler. Free. Free shipping. Or send it to me and I’ll replace it. They really screwed up.
My gaggia classic pro is a bit over two years old and even if plugs have burnt they are not doing anything for free. Even if the two years warranty is finished the company should support their products if they want their reputation to stay the same. Gaggia classic does not last for 15 years anynore.. far from that.
Hey clash, love hearing your 2003 Classic is still going 2 decades on? So long as the current boiler resembles the brass one it will fit. Not sure on availability for Australia - expected in North America just before new year. Marc
Rewatching, I'd love to see a back-to-back flat white (or milk beverage of your choice) demo/tutorial. There is like one on the internet from years ago, but it isn't WLL quality for sure. But it does get the point across, that with surfing, it can be done. Loads of people on coffee forums say otherwise though, lol. Besides, we like to hear Marc talk!
Hey kc, thanks for the request and comment! I'll see if i can squeeze in the back to back. In the meantime, I'd do like this: pull shot, froth milk, cool down boiler by opening steam valve and pressing brew and steam switch on and running until solid stream of water from wand, wait for brew ready light, flush 5-7 seconds, wait for brew ready light, pull shot, steam and cool down. Marc
One way is to get a larger basket - 22g - and using the dual spout portafilter, split the shot (46-48g, to taste). You can use espresso cups, to allow for a scale under the low clearance. Then decant the coffee into two cappuccino-sized cups, and use a larger pitcher to steam 350-400g of milk: enough for two servings.
Excellent, Marc! I wonder if Gaggia are stepping up - finally - after the success of the likes of the Profitec Go. Any bets that the next iteration will include a PID?
Funny knocking the thermoblock. There’s a machine very similar size as this machine single boiler but has a thermoblock for the steam. It’s immediate steam after pulling a shot or vice versa. Has a pid, opv, adjustable flow. It’s $500. For home use wanting best bang for your buck I feel like gaggia is lagging behind on what machines are capable of. They really could push the envelope but they just do incremental improvements.
@@hlq2action310 mii coffee has a wonderful entry level machine. Lots of companies use this as their base for whatever they want to do to it. All the parts are easily replaceable or upgradable if you know your way around a machine. It’s maybe not as thermally stable or as high quality parts but has features and out of the box is a very capable machine. I used one to serve coffee to family at a reasonably sized family gathering and it worked out fine. Everyone loved the coffee served. This isn’t to knock WLL or Gaggia but to say for the money you can do better than gaggia and they need to step it up but not necessarily in the way they are doing it.
Honestly, the gaggia is built way better. Is it aged and lacking in features, but like I said... Much better quality. Just grab it and install gaggiuino. Best of both worlds
Damn i love this machine. wanted to upgrade 10000 times because of temperature surfing but alsways came back to keep it and practise technique. I endett up with same technique as you 5-8 sec flush wait till light comes on and then start the shot or wait few seconds ::). I did it through try and error. If my gaggia classic pro would die i would buy the E24 again and would not upgrade to a linea mini etc.
@@hugoglenn9741 Micra was also a possibility but that's 3k more than for the gaggia and for mostly espresso shots 1 per day it's not worthy. You also have to do regular check ups which are also expensive etc.
Hey M, E24 is brass boiler: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-e24?variant=43085101006902 Classic EVO is aluminum boiler: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-evo-pro-espresso-machine-in-cherry-red?variant=40778534944822 Aside from the boiler machines are identical in North America with 9 bar OPV etc. Marc
Hey v, I discussed at the end of the video. Quick answer is yes and they are expected to be available end of year. I'll be doing a how to video. Changing boiler is not hard to do. Marc
So what's the difference between a gaggia classic pro just the brass boiler and gaggia still behind the eight ball and not upgrading with a pid in the units I see
Hey CC, only difference is the brass boiler in the E24 model. Factory PID would piut price out of range for some - look at single boiler w/PID options from other manufacturers more $$. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage so what's the difference between the new boiler and the old boiler? Then between the two models everything functions the same correct? Except the boiler material is different
@@drewweikum5073 No I did not, because it seem like another refresh to the classic pro and wasn't watching another whole video about the classic pro when there's only one thing different that's suppose to be a upgrade when there isn't. My point is it looks like they only changed the boiler material why I was asking since obliviously I didn't have time to watch the whole thing and didn't want to either. But thank you for the information about it being larger. Have a great day and take care.
I was thinking the other day I could make a replacement boiler from bronze, except it would cost a bomb in time and material. Cast is much better than machined from solid. My hobby is model engineering and we're not supposed to use brass for boiler fittings because boiling water leaches the zinc from the brass and makes it honeycomb and crumble. We see the fittings fall apart fairly frequently. I guess there's enough brass in the boiler to not worry too much about it, or it has some coating that will stop it. I think I'd much rather this than the aluminium one.
Why don't they keep the heating elements on for longer when the brew is actually in progress? Same with the steam. Once you start, you should pretty much always need the heating element on to some degree.
Hi 0, thanks for the question. The heating elements do come on when needed. When brewing if the light under the brew switch is off then the element is on. Same when steaming, if light below steam switch is off the element is on. As mentioned in video, you do not need to wait for the steam light to come on to start steaming. Start steaming before the light comes on and the element will likely stay on longer. Marc
@@Wholelattelovepagehaha sorry, you are right after the accessories I thought you all moved from the broiler so I tuned off and commented haha my bad. Thanks for the reply. 🙏🏼
Great overview with very valuable information, and great overall production value! My only gripe is with the graphics, especially the graphs at 8:06 and 14:26 that can only be qualified as "crimes against infographics". All jokes aside, the 3D effect on the graphs as well as the 3D "perspective" make it very difficult to read and compare data points on them. It's always better to avoid 3D altogether in graphs such as bar and pie charts since the 3D perspective is not truly adding any value and is detrimental to legibility. Considering the high production value of the rest of the video, it was honestly quite jarring to see those graphs pop up.
Hi l, I'd contact Gaggia directly for dealer in your area. HONG KONG & PACIFIC GROUP LTD Wing Lok Street 8/F, Teda Building, 87 Hong Kong Referent: Stephen Wong Email: swong@hkpg.com.hk Website: www.gaggia-ap.com
I have my eye on this machine but I'm scared of buying it and in a year I'll want to buy another better one, something like a permanent one. A rocket apartment is expensive for me but I'm already thinking about the possibility of saving up money for a few months and buying it as a "definitive" In the result of the cup, how much better does a rocket behave?
pshhh you're thinking about an apartmento as endgame? you should really check out the wendougee data s; saturated grouphead, gear pump, hyper-accurate pressure profiling.
Hi robert, Yes we do have special offers for BF/CM and more. Currently offering 3 freebies with Gaggia Classic Pro E24 in colors. check it out here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-e24?variant=43085101989942 See the In the Box and Accessories, Upgrades and Grinders chapters in this video which start here for things you'll want to order with the machine: th-cam.com/video/JB124pMbv24/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gpAzkzUKdv5lSPaE&t=1098 Must have accessories: 1. Water Treatement to prevent scale. BWT Bestsave Anti-Scale filter is one of the available freebies! 2. Backflush disc: www.wholelattelove.com/products/blind-filter-basket-backflush-disc-stainless-steel?variant=14409321152571 3. Cafiza Cleaner (for backflushing): www.wholelattelove.com/products/urnex-cafiza-espresso-machine-cleaner?variant=14409596141627 4. Frothing Pitcher: This is a good one: www.wholelattelove.com/products/revolution-stainless-steel-steaming-pitcher-12-oz?variant=32422407766070 5. Espresso capable flat burr coffee grinder if you don't have one and want to use whole beans ground fresh. Gaggia MDF grinder featured in video is excellent. Eureka Mignon Facile is a very good no frills grinder at a lower price: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-facile-espresso-grinder?variant=32966051037238 6. Tamper 58mm: If using preground espresso you're fine with the included plastic tamper. If grinding fresh get a better tamper. Wiedemann custom tampers featured in video are nice or other options here: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/tampers In lieu of a tamper many users prefer the Jack Leveler which distributes and tamps coffee perfectly every time: Check the Bundler on the product page for additional savings on many of the above accessories! Hope that helps! Marc
Hi Marc, would you say its really worth spending 140€ extra for the brass boiler and buying the e24 instead of evo? Is the temperature stability really making a difference during a single shot / multiple shots? I am anyway planning for some kind of PID and I wont do several shots in a row that often. And is the aluminium boiler coating issue def resolved on evo pros that are bought new now from resellers? Cheers, keep up the great content!
Hi, ime about to buy the E24 with brass boiler, around £555 , I can get a PID Dimmer and bar meter added total price fitted by gaggia approved tech with full warranty £850 ! New to all this after my cheap £150 machine broke ! Do I need Pid with brass boiler and is the dimmer worth having ? Any advice well appreciated
Hi cs, Wasn't swiping at any particular machines - just generally that thermoblocks tend to be much more variable in brew temperature on the coffee than machines with constantly heated boilers and components with thermal mass. Marc
Why do you keep saying the opv valve is set to 9 bar when all gaggias come preset at 12.5(or 11.5, forgot which one it is)? You have to modify it to make it 9 bar by unscrewing the part that the hose sits on and changing the spring from the original one to a 9 bar spring which you can buy aftermarket. Now if this new model is actually 9 bar and thats something new they came out with thats great but then how would the pressurized basket work(assuming its still included)? Which is the whole reason they even make the opv preset at the higher pressure.
The pressurised basket only generates about 6 bar. The ESE pods seal okay with 9 bar. It's a myth that the machines need higher pressure OPV for either of those insipid fauxpresso methods. Truth is for dark roast with rapid drop times, gaggia only thought of the thing we call an OPV as a safety valve (which is what it says on the parts list) whose only job is to allow a few cc warm up thermal expansion water to escape, to prevent explosion during any overheat, and yet not flow any water into the group at (pre) steam pressures, hence 11 bar static as OEM, high enough to be no issue in practice, but unfortunately not low enough to pull slow 9 bar shots...
Instead of the appliance-grade Gaggia Evolution (.. with no offence to anyone who has one..), Gaggia could have kept the Classic Evo Pro as the entry-level machine for beginners, enthusiasts, and modders, as a solid way in to the world of espresso, and instead introduced a larger upmarket dual-boiler version (with PID, adjustable OPV, pre-infusion..), at a higher price point. It would give the Rancilio Silvia Pro X, Profitec 300/Move, and the Lelit Elizabeth some real competition.
Hi d, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The Evolution is meant for those seeking easy quick espresso at reasonable price point. They are likely new and/or not intending to go hobby level into espresso. Gaggia is working on other products so we'll see if they come out with a higher-end machine! Marc
The funny thing to me is why Gaggia doesn't offer a more expensive option with PiD. It's like they are trying to stay basic to be a stepping stone into the espresso world but are not agreeing to follow us along once we need more control over our espresso workflow.
If they would have added a PID it wouldn't need more thermal conductivity. Also even cheap esspresso machines come with "harder to machine" stainless steel boilers. I upgraded from a gaggia classic pro to a micoffee apex and couldn't be happier. Gaggia is outclassed and over priced for what you get. This brass boiler is a gimmick.
How do I know if I'm getting an aluminum boiler aluminum group head, an aluminum boiler coated with nasty coatings, a brass boiler with a stainless steel group head or a brass boiler with a brass group head. Gaggia has lost their minds!
Hi b, Thanks for the Q. Here are the 4 recent models with group head and boiler material. No Classic have had a stainless steel group head. 2 most recent models do have a stainless steel portafilter. Gaggia Classic early 2019 aluminum boiler, chrome plated brass group head, manual steam wand Gaggia Classic Evo Pro mid 2023 aluminum boiler (coated), brass group head (no chrome plating), manual wand, 9 bar OPV (North American models) Gaggia Classic Pro E24 late 2024 brass boiler, brass group head (no chrome plating), manual wand, 9 bar OPV Marc
@@tigerag29607 Well I live mild roasts, which need higher temps. Per my understanding, if you turn on the steam button for 10 secs once the brew light comes on, and turn it off to start the machine, the temperature get ups my another few degrees to warrant a good light roast. Thoughts? \
@@deviceundertest Can you please explain you comment.. What does Gaggiauno bring that barista gadgets pro does not? Asking because I am genuinely curious
Gaggia Classic Pro E50, zer we go! New fiber carbon casing will cause the machine last your stoning it for not having PID, without deformation and dent! Gaggia better or nothing!
A lot of people on here winging about no PID, is really not hard to add it yourself witha PID kit unless you do the Gaggiuno mod thats a tad complicated.
while it's true, they already put pid on their cheaper machine, why tf they not put it in this model? like how gcp standard use 15 bar, the 9 bar was exclusively done thanks to WLL. yeah it's simple spring change, but why the heck it's not the standard across the globe?
I have been debating between several machines over the past few weeks… This video convinced me on the Gaggia with the new boiler and it also convinced me that you were the right guys to buy from! Order placed today. Thanks for the great videos and deep dive information.
You won’t regret it, the Gaggia Classic Pro is amazing. Can’t imagine life without it now, really recommend
Hi peter, Thanks for the kind comment and your patronage!
Marc
Hey robert, thanks for adding your thoughts!
Marc
Can’t wait for the brass broiler to be available for purchase..so I can upgrade my Gaggia classic
Glad to see this upgraded machine and hopefully kit soon!
Yes, it's a great upgrade to the Classic! Thanks for the comment
Marc
There's a lot of Gaggia Classic expresso machines for sale. The Gaggia Classic Pro E24 has the SKU of GACLAE24SS.
Check the SKU before you buy.
Hey d, Thanks for sharing - sku on our site is GACLAE24CR. Product name will always have "E24" www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-e24?variant=43085101006902
Marc
I think we all need Gaggia Classic Pro E24 Evo PID for $650 now. I bet that thing would blow everything else from the market for this price.
You can do this by mods
@@10Filip how easy it?
@@akfisher7138Didnt try yet, still waiting for mine. You get a pcb and a dispaly and connect it, should be doable unless you want to build your own from scratch
@@akfisher7138 For just a PID, not hard at all. If you're ok with following instructions (with pictures) it's like 1-2 hours of install time.
My old 35 year old La Pavoni machine would have cost hundreds to repair, so I just ordered this Gaggia from WLL. With the coming trade tariffs and a Black Friday deal, I figured it was the best time to buy. The simple repairability was huge plus, as was the all brass boiler. :o)
Great choice! I think you will be very happy!
Your La Pavoni if serviced would be good for next 35 years. I guess still cheaper than new machine but I also get people get tired of something after 35 years of daily contact. You just want another machine and I'm not going to blame you. There are people "upgrading" from thermostat controlled HX to PID HX just after one or two years, that's what I'd call "unexplored perspectives". 35 years is more than OK.
Excellent review!! I bought my first Gaggia Classic from you about 12 years ago. It still works well but I think I want a new one.
Not worth buying a new one, you can buy the new boiler separately
Hey DU, Thanks for the comment, report and of course, your patronage!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Absolutely, Marc. You guys are great!
Great new boiler for Gaggiuino mod
Love the thoroughness of your review, Marc. I really like my Classic Pro, but I will swap the boiler when brass is available.
Hi MJW, thanks for the comment!
Marc
I can't wait for the Gaggiuino Kit for this new Gaggia version
Do you need a special kit for the E24 version? I guess the latest v4 is compatible?
Hi, no special kit needed for the brass boiler. Will fit all Classics with current aluminum boiler. Stay tuned for parts upgrade and how to video coming in late December '24.
Marc
Excellent presentation and the speaker is some talent. Now, the hard part, what color machine to go with?!
Hey B, So nice of you! Lots of options - I grew up on a cherry farm so gotta go with Cherry Red and maybe Blackened Oak trim.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Very cool, I like that option. I was also thinking red, or white, with the olive wood trim. Whatever color combo most makes my kitchen feel like "little Italy" every time I walk in!
@@BIMMERZEITT Love it!
Great video. Thanks. Can't wait for the upgrade video. Ready to push my good ol' Gaggia to the next level ❤
Hey v, Thanks for the comment and stay tuned!
Marc
I bought my Gaggia Classic Pro for $100 in perfect working order. Upgrading the boiler is a no-brainer.
For sure!
I still don't believe it doesnt have a PID yet.
So that it doesn’t cost over 1000. Some people don’t care about pid.
@mannyr8795 well, someone should tell profitec to stop producing the profitec Go then. Come on, a PID controller isn't 500usd (I paid less than 30 on mine)
Exactly.. at industrial levels it could be just few bucks to make these PID controlled
@@mannyr8795 pid’s do not make machines cost $1,000
and still no easily adjustable opv and pressure gauge (another $30-50 parts)
People here would be surprised to find out that most of 15000$ commercial machines don’t have PID, and that 100$ capsule machines have one. This is much bigger and more important update than PID
Hi m, Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Marc
Hi, thanks for the great video. I‘m slightly confused. You said „9 bar“ but the websites all say „15 bar“. Which is it? Also, if I want 9 bar, will have to do the spring upgrade on this machine too?
Thanks
Hi jans, I understand the confusion. Since the introduction of the Evo Pro version in mid 2023, all Gaggia Classics (including the new E24 with brass boiler) in North America are equipped with a 9 bar OPV. This may not be the case in all regions of the world. Also a chance some websites may be listing the max pressure output of the pump in a "more is better" specification. Pressure on the coffee is ultimately controlled by the OPV. Not sure what sites you are looking at but our's clearly calls out the 9 bar OPV: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-e24?variant=43085100843062
Hope that helps!
Marc
I got one recently for £425. The build-quality is superb. I can't do latte art yet but I am seeking to do some upgrades. Your presentation style is great.
Hey t, thanks for the comment and sharing your impressions!
Marc
that's a good price for the new one. where from ?
@nikolaah Coffee Direct, pal
@@tdtm82 cheers. just had a look. on the site it says "This model is the Classic 2024 version which features a polished aluminium boiler."
did you get a brass boiler one for that price?
@@nikolaah That's the latest model so yes
Just wanted to add a bit of context about the temperature instability: Yes, thermoblocks have a way harder time to deliver consistent temperature, but I have seen machines like the Breville Oracle Jet or the Ascaso Dream/Steel machines who use either a very low-mass "thermojet" or a thermoblock who still deliver consistent temperature during the brew.
Those are expensive machines and those on the entry-level don't deliver as much as is, but some can have protocols that give them thermal stability within 2 degrees C°!
Kaffeemacher has published a video on the delonghi dedica where they have acheved just that and this machine can be had for 150-200$, or used for almost nothing!
Before you do the protocol, make sure you set that thing to the lowest temp setting. To do that:
1. Press the steam-button for 10 sec, until the buttons blink twice
2. press the single-shot button for temperature
3. press the single-shot button for the lowest of the 3.
Here is the protocol:
1. You pull a full empty double-shot with the portafilter in
2. you pull 2 additional shots but stop at the end of the pre-infusion where it stops the water
3. you take the portafilter out, do your puck-prep. You have 30-60 sec. of this.
4. you pull the shot.
If you do multiple shots, just do them back-to-back as everything is still nicely hot.
The shots they tested had the temperature never fall out of the 92-95°C range during the shots, aside from the first 3 seconds tbf.
Still, the Gaggia Classic has it's well-deserved place as it's simplicity, repairability and build-quality are something to be equaled at this price-point!
There is a reason why it serves as a standard-base for many mods like the Gaggiuino.
Breville is all good...until you need to repair it. Good luck dealing with 'em! USA could be different, you just take it back to shop but in other countries one has to deal with proprietary shop who services this proprietary stuff. On other hand, machines built easily available components are a song to service.
@@event4216 Agreed, I haven't heard good stuff about them aswell. :/
Thanks for answering the question that the boiler can be retrofit.
No problem 👍
Marc
Wasn't expecting this. Very cool.
Hey Matt, thanks for the comment!
Any chance to have our flaking Evo pro's replaced with these? Swapped one back already last year, and the boiler is already doing it again :/
Hi j, best course is to contact our Tech Support here: support.wholelattelove.com/
For the dark roast do I still need to wait for the light to come back on or do I pull the shot right away?
Hi d, You will get a lower brew temp if you run before the light comes on. But, timing when to pull is tough. If you wait until the light comes on then do a short flush for a cooler brew temp you're starting from a known and consistent temperature. This method is more consistent and repeatable. You can adjust length of flush shot to shot to change temp in a somewhat predictable manner. Hope that helps!
Marc
Great for ristrettos, because the temp drops at the end with the espresso. I love the new brass boiler, it's a game changer and will save Gaggia. A PID isn't necessary.
Customers: WE WANT PID
Gaggia: LETS ADD BRASS!
baby steps
Brass being a priority if you don't want aluminim poisoning over time but yeah customers are always right we want a PiD over a healthier option. 😂
@@simonmonty7171 no one says that changes for E24 are bad, they are very good. It is brass, no flaking coating and the main thing is volume! Finally they increased the volume. 100 ml is fine for single shots that italians used to, but with modern style precision baskets for 20-24 g the old boiler is too small. I like a lot light roasts and I had to move to a bigger boiler machine, because with 100ml boiler the temp in 60g shot drops a lot by the end of the shot. So for me the small boiler was the main issue and it is great that they addressed it. The second issue was the temp and I had to do all those tricks mentioned in the video to raise the temp for light roasts brewing until I installed the PID. So for me the new Gaggia with a bigger boiler, PID, lower tray to put scales and latte mugs under the group would be a perfect machine for home. Most of PID kits cost like 100-150 bucks and a lot of people buy them. I believe GCP with a factory installed PID and a bigger boiler for $650, even $700 will be a killer machine. The closest machines for 650-700 with all those features is something from China with unknown reliability...
Miicoffee? Seems pretty legit. My gaggia is not functional after only a bit over two years of use. Gaggia still profits from their reputation but it could change if they don't up their games.
How much do you want to pay for this machine? A PID will at at least $300 AUD to it, not worth it.
My WLL refurb classic still going strong since 2013. I now have an Auber PID installed for the last 6 months and love it even more. Find me a more reliable and well priced all metal machine with Italian heritage.
thems a lot of modifiers
Exactly - thanks for the comment!
Hallo Marc! What is the difference between Classic E24 and Classic E24 energy vibes?
Hey P, Thanks for the Q, No mechanical difference - it's about the colors. Gaggia labels the Lobster Red, Sunshine Yellow and Jungle Green E24's "Energy Vibes"
Marc
Are they going to sell the brass boiler so we can update our EVO models with flaking issues?
Great video. Will the new boiler sold separately include a new steam valve? I followed the steps to test the steam valve from your other video and verified that my gaggia classic pro is leaking 😢 if I purchase the new boiler for my classic pro then will it include a new steam valve?
we can just swap out boilers on our old machines right?
Yes but they are expensive
Available end of year. Will have a how to vid as well!
Marc
Did Gaggia finally fix the boilergate problem with the E24?
Boilergate = parts of the internal coating of the boiler would come off and end up in your coffee.
How was this fixed? Was the coating improved?
i did not find any information about them fixing the problem, bought a Lelit instead. easy!
I imagine this boiler just isn’t coated. The boilers prior to the evo were not coated either.
No coating in the brass boiler.
Really?😂 you missed the part, where he said they switched the boiler?
Aluminum boiler was holding it back, now it's nice first and last espresso machine. PID and pressure gauge absence aren't limiting if anyone is looking for them. Marc described routine allowing to start brewing at certain temp (using it for like 10 years with other machine) and once you learn to get 2:1 ratio at 25-30 secs you know exactly if it's right just by looking at coffee flow. Speed, shape and color tell you everything. I'm not even staring at a pressure gauge anymore, why.
Hey event, Thanks for the comment - appreciated!
Marc
Was about to buy new boiler, mine is scaling or losing coating and degrading inside. Clogging all the time.. Guess I can wait a little longer until I can get my hands on a brass one.
Hi A, Upgrading with brass is a good idea - stay tuned for details! If having scale, it's likely due to high calcium content in water. BWT Water & More treatment options mentioned in video can solve that while maintaining proper mineral level through their calcium to magnesium ion-exchange tech.
If you go through less than 1 reservoir of water per day the Bestsave drop in reservoir pad filters are a good option. They require 8-10 hours of resident time to work their magic: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestsave-s-anti-scale-filter?variant=14409382723643
The Bestcup option plumbs into the water intake line within the reservoir and treats as water is used: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestcup-m-package?variant=21082523664438
The AQUAlizer pitcher treats quickly and makes good drinking water too: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-aqualizer-2-6-l-pitcher-with-illuminated-baselight-zinc-and-magnesium-cartridge?variant=42432469172278
Marc
I was about to buy a grinder with a 40mm burr size...
Is the upgrade to a 50mm size worth the extra money? Why?
Hi 1337, What make/model grinder? Bigger burrs produce more uniformity in grind size, transfer less heat to beans and grind faster. In general 40mm grinders tend to produce a clumpier grind - that's not always true but they tend to be of a design that may cause that. In addition, larger burr grinders usually have more precise grind size adjustment. A 40mm grinder can service the machine but larger burrs with less clumping are capable of producing better espresso. Hope that helps.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I was looking at the Bellucci Casa that is available locally but I may shop at bit more.
Thank you for your detailed response 😎
Very interested for the brass replacement in a GCP EVO PRO.
Hey t, thanks for the comment. Stay tuned! Individual brass boiler upgrades due to be available end of December. Will do a how to video for the upgrade as well.
Marc
Can buy the copper boiler itself? Figure if I get a lot of calcium build up in the OG boiler, I'll upgrade to the copper, take out the PID and add in an arduino.
Hi TP, just to be clear it's a brass boiler. Expect individual brass boilers for upgrade to be available end of Dec. '24.
@@Wholelattelovepage That's good news. Just in case, Tyler is somewhat correct anyway, Brass is just copper and zinc. :)
If I replace the boiler on my Classic (RI8161) with a brass one, I would still have a non-brass group head... and a SS shower plate. Would that be a problem?
Hi p, All Classic group heads are brass although some from early models are chrome plated brass. No problem upgrading any Classic to the brass boiler from aluminum.
Marc
Is the E24 better than the Lelit Anna and Victoria?
Hi p, All are single boiler machines. The Anna and Victoria cost more but have PID temp control. If you are into specialty coffee and want easier precise control of brew temps PID can help. You can adjust brew temps on the E24 by using the method described in this video to get 200F. Then If you want a little cooler for a dark roast on E24 flush again for a couple seconds right before attaching the portafilter and brewing. If you want it a little hotter for a light roast turn on the steam switch for a few seconds then turn it off, attach portafilter and brew. learning "temp surfing" takes a little effort and practice but is very doable!
Marc
Ended up buying one from you guys this weekend. Sold on the brass boiler! Would this still benefit from the PID add-on?
Hi k, Thanks for your patronage! Potentially but use as described in the video and it's not necessary.
That red GCP would pair nicely with a yellow Specialita.
On fire!
Question please! I bought my Gaggia Classic Pro a few years ago and love it, mixed with a Baratza sette 270. Even with fresh coffee (my brother and I are roasters) I noticed channeling, with all upgraded parts like a caffeworks disc, better basket, etc. I recently tried a 9 bar pressure spring (instead of the out of the box 14 bar) and the channeling is gone with better mouthfeel, but now i dont have pressure to the steam wand. Thoughts?? Help? Anything in between? 😅😊
Hi p, Thanks for sharing your love of the Classic. In norht America, bothe the Gaggia Classic EVO Pro and the new Pro E24 have a 9 bar spring. Sorry can't speak to OPV in machines outside of North America. In and of itself, changing the OPV in your machine should have no impact on steam pressure. Only thing I can think of is maybe you disturbed the steam thermostat wiring when switching out the OPV as that thermostat is mounted at the top of the near the OPV.
Marc
this is awesome news, I could have very easily bumped a wire, so I will reset it. Thank you so much for the information!
Also, when they are out, I am totally buying a new brass boiler
which one is better between Gaggia classic evo pro and classic pro E24
The E24 has the brass boiler which is a little larger and has better thermal characteristics than the aluminum boiler in the EVO Pro. Otherwise, the 2 machines are identical.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage for home purpose and price which one should I go for?
@@agastya2511 Hi, I'd go for the E24 w/brass boiler here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-e24?variant=43085100843062
Check out the extra gifts available with purchase now. Pricing is essentially the same for the older EVO Pro model and the newer E24.
Marc
@@agastya2511people only had problem with the old boilers.thats why they switched boilers every couple of years from aluminum to coated to brass now. Go for the new brass boiler, which is a huge upgrade!
I ordered my e24 but theyre sold out rn where i live... have to wait for 2025
This is a game changer, its now worth going to effort doing the Guagguino mod with the PID as the boiler will finally be consistent enough to make proper espresso as opposed to espresso as a base for milk drinks.
While I agree the increased thermal capacity is a step forward, I get excellent espresso results with temperature surfing using the steam button to boost the temp. I don't see a reason to upgrade until they add a PID; we shouldn't need to void the warranty to get the machine we want.
@@gnet09 Thats ridiculous, there is no such thing as excellent espresso with temperature surfing unless your making milk based drinks, its not like you need a warranty on this thing anyone can fix themselves easily. Moreover, the PID allow you to change the temperature for different roast profiles, you cannot do that in stock. So if you want espresso with a light roast you can bump up the temp and drop it for a dark roast.
Nope. The boiler is still too small for real thermal stability. That said, the best espresso shots come from spring lever machines that have both declining temperature and pressure as the shot finishes. And these small-boiler machines can - with the addition of simple flow control - emulate that incredibly well. So I disagree completely with your “milk based drinks” comment.
@@Gk2003m I have a dimmer knob mod for flow control with a PID so it does create great espresso but without a PID , no.... I agree lever machines make the best espresso
do you know temperature variation without flushing etc. Please repeat experiment. That would be informative. Many people will not bother with flushing/temp surfing.
Hi a, Thanks for the request. For those seeking precise brew temps the easy flush technique demoed in video is the way to go. Like any machine controlled by a thermostat and even PID controlled HX boiler machines there will be a temperature range depending on where the machine is in its heating cycle (non PID single boilers) and time since last use or idle duration (HX boiler).
I’ve heard pulling 2 shots back to back with the GCP is really difficult do consistently. What’s the capability of this machine for pulling back to back shots compared to the regular GCP?
I have an Evo purchased through you. The garbage internal coating on the boiler irks me. Gaggia should replace it with this brass boiler. Free. Free shipping. Or send it to me and I’ll replace it. They really screwed up.
When did you buy it? If you bought it within a year, I think WLL can work with you.
@ Was bought last November. Who or how would I contact you?
Tim, you need to contact WLL. They'll give you a full refund. Same thing happened to me.
My gaggia classic pro is a bit over two years old and even if plugs have burnt they are not doing anything for free. Even if the two years warranty is finished the company should support their products if they want their reputation to stay the same. Gaggia classic does not last for 15 years anynore.. far from that.
I have a 2003 Gaggia Classic (had since new). Will the brass boiler fit in my machine (and will it be available for Australian buyers). Thx.
Hey clash, love hearing your 2003 Classic is still going 2 decades on? So long as the current boiler resembles the brass one it will fit. Not sure on availability for Australia - expected in North America just before new year.
Marc
Rewatching, I'd love to see a back-to-back flat white (or milk beverage of your choice) demo/tutorial. There is like one on the internet from years ago, but it isn't WLL quality for sure. But it does get the point across, that with surfing, it can be done. Loads of people on coffee forums say otherwise though, lol. Besides, we like to hear Marc talk!
Hey kc, thanks for the request and comment! I'll see if i can squeeze in the back to back. In the meantime, I'd do like this: pull shot, froth milk, cool down boiler by opening steam valve and pressing brew and steam switch on and running until solid stream of water from wand, wait for brew ready light, flush 5-7 seconds, wait for brew ready light, pull shot, steam and cool down.
Marc
One way is to get a larger basket - 22g - and using the dual spout portafilter, split the shot (46-48g, to taste). You can use espresso cups, to allow for a scale under the low clearance. Then decant the coffee into two cappuccino-sized cups, and use a larger pitcher to steam 350-400g of milk: enough for two servings.
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks, Marc. Idk why but I didn't get a notification for this response. I appriceate it!
What about the boiler coating ?
No coating in the brass boiler.
Excellent, Marc! I wonder if Gaggia are stepping up - finally - after the success of the likes of the Profitec Go. Any bets that the next iteration will include a PID?
Hey d, thanks for the comment! We shall see.
Marc
Funny knocking the thermoblock. There’s a machine very similar size as this machine single boiler but has a thermoblock for the steam. It’s immediate steam after pulling a shot or vice versa. Has a pid, opv, adjustable flow. It’s $500. For home use wanting best bang for your buck I feel like gaggia is lagging behind on what machines are capable of. They really could push the envelope but they just do incremental improvements.
What Is this machine you talking about?
Micoffee apex or turin legato they are the same machine
@@hlq2action310 mii coffee has a wonderful entry level machine. Lots of companies use this as their base for whatever they want to do to it. All the parts are easily replaceable or upgradable if you know your way around a machine. It’s maybe not as thermally stable or as high quality parts but has features and out of the box is a very capable machine. I used one to serve coffee to family at a reasonably sized family gathering and it worked out fine. Everyone loved the coffee served.
This isn’t to knock WLL or Gaggia but to say for the money you can do better than gaggia and they need to step it up but not necessarily in the way they are doing it.
@@tim_tool_man just saw Turin with the new colorways. They look real nice.
Honestly, the gaggia is built way better. Is it aged and lacking in features, but like I said... Much better quality. Just grab it and install gaggiuino. Best of both worlds
Are outer dimensions the same as the aluminum boiler?
Hey photog, the dimensions are very similar. If asking in regards to replacing the aluminum top section of an existing machine that can be done.
Marc
Damn i love this machine. wanted to upgrade 10000 times because of temperature surfing but alsways came back to keep it and practise technique. I endett up with same technique as you 5-8 sec flush wait till light comes on and then start the shot or wait few seconds ::). I did it through try and error. If my gaggia classic pro would die i would buy the E24 again and would not upgrade to a linea mini etc.
Hi gol, thanks for sharing!
Marc
Why linea mini instead of linea micra
@@hugoglenn9741 Micra was also a possibility but that's 3k more than for the gaggia and for mostly espresso shots 1 per day it's not worthy. You also have to do regular check ups which are also expensive etc.
Which one is better? Gaggia Classic Evo Pro or Classic Pro E24?
According to the video, the e24
@@Christusolus Thanks bro!
Do they have a purely brass boiler setup with PID currently?
Hi m, Currently no Gaggia machine with a PID.
Marc
gaggia E24 is the gaggia EVO or is a new machine lauching right now?
They're different. the e24 is the updated boiler. the evo is not.
@@Christusolus o thanks!
Hey M, E24 is brass boiler: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-e24?variant=43085101006902
Classic EVO is aluminum boiler: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-evo-pro-espresso-machine-in-cherry-red?variant=40778534944822
Aside from the boiler machines are identical in North America with 9 bar OPV etc.
Marc
So many people have been waiting for this.
Hey tiger, good things come to those who wait!
Marc
Can change the old aluminium boiler by the new brass boiler?
Hey v, I discussed at the end of the video. Quick answer is yes and they are expected to be available end of year. I'll be doing a how to video. Changing boiler is not hard to do.
Marc
How does it compare to the lelit kate?
Are Gaggia Classic Pro E24 and Gaggia Classic Evo Pro the same?
Hi l, Except for the boiler. E24 has a brass boiler. Classic Evo Pro is aluminum boiler.
Marc
So what's the difference between a gaggia classic pro just the brass boiler and gaggia still behind the eight ball and not upgrading with a pid in the units I see
Hey CC, only difference is the brass boiler in the E24 model. Factory PID would piut price out of range for some - look at single boiler w/PID options from other manufacturers more $$.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage so what's the difference between the new boiler and the old boiler? Then between the two models everything functions the same correct? Except the boiler material is different
@@CC-wolverineit’s also larger. Did you watch the video?
@@drewweikum5073 No I did not, because it seem like another refresh to the classic pro and wasn't watching another whole video about the classic pro when there's only one thing different that's suppose to be a upgrade when there isn't. My point is it looks like they only changed the boiler material why I was asking since obliviously I didn't have time to watch the whole thing and didn't want to either. But thank you for the information about it being larger. Have a great day and take care.
Good group PW👍
I was thinking the other day I could make a replacement boiler from bronze, except it would cost a bomb in time and material. Cast is much better than machined from solid.
My hobby is model engineering and we're not supposed to use brass for boiler fittings because boiling water leaches the zinc from the brass and makes it honeycomb and crumble. We see the fittings fall apart fairly frequently.
I guess there's enough brass in the boiler to not worry too much about it, or it has some coating that will stop it. I think I'd much rather this than the aluminium one.
Thanks for another great and concise review!
My pleasure!
Marc
Why don't they keep the heating elements on for longer when the brew is actually in progress? Same with the steam. Once you start, you should pretty much always need the heating element on to some degree.
Hi 0, thanks for the question. The heating elements do come on when needed. When brewing if the light under the brew switch is off then the element is on. Same when steaming, if light below steam switch is off the element is on. As mentioned in video, you do not need to wait for the steam light to come on to start steaming. Start steaming before the light comes on and the element will likely stay on longer.
Marc
What is the capacity of the boiler?
Hey l, internal water volume is 136.2ml.
Marc
can i install this brass boiler into Gaggia baby old version?
Does the brass boiler still get the teflon coating treatment?
No
Are you all selling the boilers by themselves? Looks like that the only change from the EVO to this new one.
Hi r, yes with expected availability end of the year. A little disappointed you didn't watch end of video😜
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepagehaha sorry, you are right after the accessories I thought you all moved from the broiler so I tuned off and commented haha my bad. Thanks for the reply. 🙏🏼
Great overview with very valuable information, and great overall production value!
My only gripe is with the graphics, especially the graphs at 8:06 and 14:26 that can only be qualified as "crimes against infographics". All jokes aside, the 3D effect on the graphs as well as the 3D "perspective" make it very difficult to read and compare data points on them. It's always better to avoid 3D altogether in graphs such as bar and pie charts since the 3D perspective is not truly adding any value and is detrimental to legibility. Considering the high production value of the rest of the video, it was honestly quite jarring to see those graphs pop up.
Hey m, thanks for the comment on the video. Will take your critique into consideration for future videos - please don't send the GFX police!
Outstanding video, thanks! 🙏
Hey ME, thanks for the comment!
Marc
How can i buy e24 in Hong Kong ?
Hi l, I'd contact Gaggia directly for dealer in your area.
HONG KONG & PACIFIC GROUP LTD
Wing Lok Street 8/F, Teda Building, 87
Hong Kong
Referent:
Stephen Wong
Email:
swong@hkpg.com.hk
Website:
www.gaggia-ap.com
@@Wholelattelovepagethanks a lots
Can someone give Boiler changes(sizing) and materials/coatings over the generations. I believe mine is a pre 97 with he different switches (3 in 1)
I have my eye on this machine but I'm scared of buying it and in a year I'll want to buy another better one, something like a permanent one. A rocket apartment is expensive for me but I'm already thinking about the possibility of saving up money for a few months and buying it as a "definitive" In the result of the cup, how much better does a rocket behave?
pshhh you're thinking about an apartmento as endgame? you should really check out the wendougee data s; saturated grouphead, gear pump, hyper-accurate pressure profiling.
Does whole latte love do black friday sales? Also if I order this what else do i need to order with it?
Hi robert, Yes we do have special offers for BF/CM and more. Currently offering 3 freebies with Gaggia Classic Pro E24 in colors. check it out here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/gaggia-classic-e24?variant=43085101989942
See the In the Box and Accessories, Upgrades and Grinders chapters in this video which start here for things you'll want to order with the machine: th-cam.com/video/JB124pMbv24/w-d-xo.htmlsi=gpAzkzUKdv5lSPaE&t=1098
Must have accessories:
1. Water Treatement to prevent scale. BWT Bestsave Anti-Scale filter is one of the available freebies!
2. Backflush disc: www.wholelattelove.com/products/blind-filter-basket-backflush-disc-stainless-steel?variant=14409321152571
3. Cafiza Cleaner (for backflushing): www.wholelattelove.com/products/urnex-cafiza-espresso-machine-cleaner?variant=14409596141627
4. Frothing Pitcher: This is a good one: www.wholelattelove.com/products/revolution-stainless-steel-steaming-pitcher-12-oz?variant=32422407766070
5. Espresso capable flat burr coffee grinder if you don't have one and want to use whole beans ground fresh. Gaggia MDF grinder featured in video is excellent. Eureka Mignon Facile is a very good no frills grinder at a lower price: www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-mignon-facile-espresso-grinder?variant=32966051037238
6. Tamper 58mm: If using preground espresso you're fine with the included plastic tamper. If grinding fresh get a better tamper. Wiedemann custom tampers featured in video are nice or other options here: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/tampers
In lieu of a tamper many users prefer the Jack Leveler which distributes and tamps coffee perfectly every time:
Check the Bundler on the product page for additional savings on many of the above accessories!
Hope that helps!
Marc
What makes a better coffee, this machine or a Gaggia Super Automatic?
Someone who knows what they are doing on the e24.
That's crazy I just bought my evo pro.. But its a aluminum boiler at least I'll be able to upgrade it
Gaggia answer to its boilergate
Hi Marc, would you say its really worth spending 140€ extra for the brass boiler and buying the e24 instead of evo?
Is the temperature stability really making a difference during a single shot / multiple shots? I am anyway planning for some kind of PID and I wont do several shots in a row that often.
And is the aluminium boiler coating issue def resolved on evo pros that are bought new now from resellers?
Cheers, keep up the great content!
Does anyone know if the E24 is USA only model? Will it come to EU?
I’m in Ireland and an EU online retailer is selling the E24 now. Though they don’t do as useful videos as WLL.
Hi, ime about to buy the E24 with brass boiler, around £555 , I can get a PID Dimmer and bar meter added total price fitted by gaggia approved tech with full warranty £850 ! New to all this after my cheap £150 machine broke ! Do I need Pid with brass boiler and is the dimmer worth having ? Any advice well appreciated
I'd get the profitec go for around the same price of the fully upgraded Gaggia
@marioneto50
Been looking at the P go it's a good bit of kit but maybe a bit to big
@@marioneto50 Does the Profitec go have a brass boiler???
@@CH-yp5by it does, but it's a bit bigger, but noisier, only need nine for 2 cups a day
@@marioneto50 Not me. I think the Gaggia is better looking. And it seems the Profitic is tad more expensive.
The thermoblock comment is taking a swipe at Meraki and Ninja Luxe, which offer much more features than the Gaggia does.
Hi cs, Wasn't swiping at any particular machines - just generally that thermoblocks tend to be much more variable in brew temperature on the coffee than machines with constantly heated boilers and components with thermal mass.
Marc
This guy is David Lee Roth's brother, right?
David Lee Froth - distant cousin?
Nice Machine
It sure is!
Marc
Looks like a solid machine!
Why do you keep saying the opv valve is set to 9 bar when all gaggias come preset at 12.5(or 11.5, forgot which one it is)? You have to modify it to make it 9 bar by unscrewing the part that the hose sits on and changing the spring from the original one to a 9 bar spring which you can buy aftermarket. Now if this new model is actually 9 bar and thats something new they came out with thats great but then how would the pressurized basket work(assuming its still included)? Which is the whole reason they even make the opv preset at the higher pressure.
WLL is the US distributor for Gaggia and the versions that Gaggia sell to them come from the factory with the 9 bar spring.
@@MJHiteshew damn, that would have been a nice thing to have in europe tbh
Hi i, as @MJHitshew noted Classic EVO machines in North America have the 9 bar spring.
Marc
The pressurised basket only generates about 6 bar. The ESE pods seal okay with 9 bar. It's a myth that the machines need higher pressure OPV for either of those insipid fauxpresso methods.
Truth is for dark roast with rapid drop times, gaggia only thought of the thing we call an OPV as a safety valve (which is what it says on the parts list) whose only job is to allow a few cc warm up thermal expansion water to escape, to prevent explosion during any overheat, and yet not flow any water into the group at (pre) steam pressures, hence 11 bar static as OEM, high enough to be no issue in practice, but unfortunately not low enough to pull slow 9 bar shots...
Instead of the appliance-grade Gaggia Evolution (.. with no offence to anyone who has one..), Gaggia could have kept the Classic Evo Pro as the entry-level machine for beginners, enthusiasts, and modders, as a solid way in to the world of espresso, and instead introduced a larger upmarket dual-boiler version (with PID, adjustable OPV, pre-infusion..), at a higher price point. It would give the Rancilio Silvia Pro X, Profitec 300/Move, and the Lelit Elizabeth some real competition.
Hi d, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The Evolution is meant for those seeking easy quick espresso at reasonable price point. They are likely new and/or not intending to go hobby level into espresso. Gaggia is working on other products so we'll see if they come out with a higher-end machine!
Marc
The funny thing to me is why Gaggia doesn't offer a more expensive option with PiD. It's like they are trying to stay basic to be a stepping stone into the espresso world but are not agreeing to follow us along once we need more control over our espresso workflow.
The teflon coating in the Profitec GO, non-burn wand, is presumably a health hazard, unlike the wand in the Gaggia.
Excellent review 👌
Hey BT, thanks for the comment - put a lot of work into this one!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Boiler coating is not even mentioned
Baffles me why they don't sell the pro in Europe
They do. I bought my “Gaggia Classic Evo Pro” 2 years ago. That retailer is now selling the E24 brass boiler model and has the Pro reduced.
Why not use stainless steel
Stainless steel is way harder to machine then brass. Also brass has almost 4 times more thermal conductivity then stainless steel does.. 😀
If they would have added a PID it wouldn't need more thermal conductivity. Also even cheap esspresso machines come with "harder to machine" stainless steel boilers. I upgraded from a gaggia classic pro to a micoffee apex and couldn't be happier. Gaggia is outclassed and over priced for what you get. This brass boiler is a gimmick.
How do I know if I'm getting an aluminum boiler aluminum group head, an aluminum boiler coated with nasty coatings, a brass boiler with a stainless steel group head or a brass boiler with a brass group head. Gaggia has lost their minds!
Hi b, Thanks for the Q. Here are the 4 recent models with group head and boiler material. No Classic have had a stainless steel group head. 2 most recent models do have a stainless steel portafilter.
Gaggia Classic early 2019 aluminum boiler, chrome plated brass group head, manual steam wand
Gaggia Classic Evo Pro mid 2023 aluminum boiler (coated), brass group head (no chrome plating), manual wand, 9 bar OPV (North American models)
Gaggia Classic Pro E24 late 2024 brass boiler, brass group head (no chrome plating), manual wand, 9 bar OPV
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc! That is exactly what I needed to know. Best to you all! ☕
awesome video.. No need of Gaggiauno.. If anything, perhaps just a pid
Correct.. gagguino is an overkill
@@ELENTE_depends on the type of coffee you drink.
@@tigerag29607 Well I live mild roasts, which need higher temps. Per my understanding, if you turn on the steam button for 10 secs once the brew light comes on, and turn it off to start the machine, the temperature get ups my another few degrees to warrant a good light roast. Thoughts?
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sure, nespresso machine is also good enough for some
@@deviceundertest Can you please explain you comment.. What does Gaggiauno bring that barista gadgets pro does not?
Asking because I am genuinely curious
I’m gonna bet this machine will sell out the first production run fast and be on back order for a while…😮🙌🏼🤷🏻♂️🤔
Gaggia Classic Pro E50, zer we go! New fiber carbon casing will cause the machine last your stoning it for not having PID, without deformation and dent! Gaggia better or nothing!
Mighty Morphin Gaggiuino Time
bout time..
A lot of people on here winging about no PID, is really not hard to add it yourself witha PID kit unless you do the Gaggiuno mod thats a tad complicated.
Yeah but the new gaggia classic will cost the same as a new profitec GO. And will Cost way more if you modify it with pid,gagguino, springs etc etc
@@panagiotismitkonis495 New Gaggia is not $1000....
Lots of people are active and happy to help in the Gaggiuino Discord if you want to go that route!
while it's true, they already put pid on their cheaper machine, why tf they not put it in this model? like how gcp standard use 15 bar, the 9 bar was exclusively done thanks to WLL. yeah it's simple spring change, but why the heck it's not the standard across the globe?
@@panagiotismitkonis495 Well yeah Gaggiuino costs a lot but you dont need to go that far you can just get the PID kit form Mr Shades.
Gaggiuino.... better than a PID
It's a bit concerning when somebody states, With a big smile on their face, that "this boiler is perfectly safe".