1) is easy and surely DR Music sees the reception to keep things as is. 2) might be a bit harder considering their still a relatively small company. Start off with mini albums and we'll see if they can maintain that consistency before bumping to full album. I mean Blackswan's debut was a full album and that was mainly rehashes of Rania's music
@@cloudchungxiaoi dont remember it being announced either, BUT i believe ever since Rania, they had a “Graduation” system (which i don’t necessarily agree with). I believe it is close to a concept of graduation like AKB48.
@@cloudchungxiaothey never went by this system. It was the excuse that was used earlier on during OG Rania. The truth is the label just can’t label correctly
@@idkjshssbvVsthat was only a concept for rania, DR has always marketed blackswan as a regular permanent group with no graduation concept that was only brought up last minute when the korean members wanted to leave💀
@@cloudchungxiao If they change the lineup their best bet is to terminate their contracts with the agency and if they don't allow it they will file a lawsuit like FIFTY FIFTY did.
I definitely think BlackSwan has improved from where they started . They can definitely be big if they play their cards right because their strength is that they are different and non Korean. As far as Fatou getting more solos, she speaks Korean better than her members and she’s established her presence more than her other members so it makes sense that she would have more projects because she’s promoting the group at the same time. As far as Leia, she just needs to go away. She was WAY to unprofessional and catty while also jeopardizing the groups hard work to really put themselves out there.
Blackswan has for sure progressively gone better with each comeback. Music wise for sure. Can't say member wise because only Fatou has consistently made the comeback to show her improvement. The whole being able to speak Korean better kinda speaks to the training that the other members have gotten and so yea hopefully they do get to improve with that. However, most or even all of Fatou's solo work is in english too so not sure about that. But yea, Leia kinda provides not much value anymore which was such an unfortunate move for DR to just keep her still if they weren't even gonna utilise her.
@@newjeansfan238 what other group completely consisted of non Korean members? Non Asian members? Like I said it’s a strength for them because they are literally a global group, meaning the members are from all over the world whereas when survival shows claim global they just mean Korea, China and Japan.
Actually former Blackswan group, BP Rania consisted of a woman named Alexandra Reid who was not asian. But as we know the group is gone, turned into Rania and now Blackswan. Not sure if you’re talking abt the whole group having non koreans or non asians, but there are other groups that have few non korean members 🤷♀️
Ngl, this video makes me kinda glad because i'm just seeing so many different people comment about Blackswan in a real good light and so it's like reassurance that they've got a good fanbase
The current line up is the best. Ofc it’ll be harder for them to be recognized in Korea but if the company promotes them more overseas there’s potential for their success. The problem is that graduation sht. It’s utterly useless and won’t get the group the exposure they need. Hyemi was my bias but she left and Leia was the problem. It’s all about great management and I don’t have high hopes for it.
Yea, that graduation thing doesn't make sense to me. Like what makes you qualified for graduation?? It surely can't just be contract renewals because then they should call it that. Plus Judy and Fatou joined at the same time too so it can't be that or Fatou would have left too. Plus would graduating be forced based on criterias because if anyone was to graduate next, it would be Leia and Fatou as they are the most senior within the group and I'm not ready to see any news of Fatou graduating.
so for Leia she had said that she planned on destroying the group after she left so maybe that's why they're keeping her on such a long hiatus to maybe avoid that. I mean they could get lawyers involved if necessary, but I don't know if it'll happen or not
According to Fatou, that is what Leia said but Leia did do some activities with Blackswan after that contreversy and before this comeback so idk if that statement necessarily still remains true. Plus, she would have spilt way much more by now if she wanted to destroy the group. I think it's more of a punishment that DR is kinda putting her in.
Omg thanks, I had to relook into it because there really isn't much articles on it. I want to say that it might be because she left the entertainment industry so there wasn't much noise or care for the updates. But yea, from what I read. It was deemed not guilty due to insufficient evidence. "A" had exaggerated the amounts and that this could have ended sooner but was repopened because of "A." Like damm, I wonder if this was kinda shown a bit more, would that have been better for Blackswan or would it kinda do nothing since she was not apart of the group anymore.
Black swan are getting pretty popular in Korea and Japan and are gonna preform at one of the biggest concerts in Korea. All they need is for Leia to go away and dr needs to be smart
Biggest concert; you mean the waterbomb festival? But yea, heard they will be doing an Asia tour sometime in the future which is great that DR is doing some things right and getting them to promote elsewhere too.
it’s honestly sad how much bad promo they got with the leia situation, i’ve been following them for a while and that gave me the “ick” for the longest time, even when the new lineup was announced I was a little exceptical, but i’m really happy that things are going well now and I hope they keep the momentum!! this line up is really great
Yea, this is probably the only era so far without a massive controversy which is such a sad thing to say. I think most people were empathetic or sympathetic to Fatou as more was revealed because how are you suppose to just become besties after all that Leia did, so a lot were iffy about the future of Blackswan. But yea, hope this a new and better chapter for them
The leia situation really messed up their reputation not only did she like racist tweets about fatou but she also got accused of sa on tiktok bc ot3 fans found videos of leia touching the members and the members in the clips looked uncomfortable, she also had mocked desis a couple of weeks before the bullying scandal, even now so many people don’t wanna stan blackswan bc of the amount of chaos she caused which is sad cause the other members really worked hard to debut
@@eyevee4446 Fatou and Youngheeun also liked comments hating Leia and when Leia saw that her fans were liking racist comments she asked for them to dont do that
I love Blackswan and I wish to see them succeed so badly but it is truly upon on how they're handled by the company. If they keep releasing music such as Karma/Cat & Mouse in a timely manner, and promote as much as they've been doing in this comeback they'll do great! My opinion on Leia is just like everyone else, kick her out. She has done more harm then good and adding her back would just be weird and I'm pretty sure no one would like it. And lastly they need to keep this lineup!!!!! No adding or subtracting anybody, they have so much potential and I believe adding more members would just be a bad look since they have a stigma for changing members like the seasons. I Love Blackswan and I can't wait to see them grow musically and watch them preform!!!! Stream #Cat&Mouse !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yesss, learn from this and hopefully numerically, there's a noticeable change for DR Music to actually stick with this. I'm reading a few people say there will be some potential new members added to group which potentially like you idk how to feel about this.
Years of experience?? I don't think she trained that long in the kpop environment. I know vocally she's real top tier, but the kpop scene is not the same as any type of training including just vocal training. There's way more to it which is why I felt like she was rushed.
Right right. Yea, she's got the vocals on lock for sure. But Kpop encapsulates many aspects plus the whole navigating in a foreign country so language kinda do be important too. It's kinda like how many real talented people don't get to debut for various reasons. That's kinda what I mean when I think that her vocals may be good, but it will kinda only take her that far before people expect a bit more in other aspects.
Yea, not much was appearing up in the search history when looking for the resolution. I feel like nobody cared as much about it and so that's why it was heavily underreported. Defs was an obsessive fan and heavily exaggerated the amounts and situation, which like literally why?? The ruling was deemed not guilty on Hyeme's side due to not sufficient evidence which makes me think that at the end of the day, it might be a he said she said situation where legally, neither could win to get any compensation for both fraud or defamation.
Yea, really unfortunate honestly. But also, you think what DR said was legit for Hyeme? Like she was always planning to leave after her contract expired?
Ok but you completely left out that DRs management is now changed. The original CEO didn’t care about the group rather cared about capitalizing. Now that he left his company to his son his son now realizes he could lose the company and learned from his father that groups need to be nurtured and taken seriously for a company to work. And he has been working overtime getting them on music shows and having that song get exposure. In all honesty it’s the new CEO helping this group thrive. If they didn’t have him then I don’t think they would have gotten this song or production value.
Some of y’all seem like haters in these comments for a recent group that debuted again they’re doing extremely well even under a small company. They not only are good dancers,singers, visuals but they performance is a step up. You people really want to see them fail it’s crazy how they’re getting much love from Asia but westerners are so hateful.
I've been responding to a lot of the comments and feel like maybe only one made a weird comment comparing Blackswan to another group. Other than that, it's been praises or some hopes for the group. But yea, I feel like westerners tend to be the noisest with having something bad to say.
This lineup is actually the best. You can tell how the quality in terms of production, promotions and delivery got a huge upgrade. We can easily see how the girls love to perform and I will look up for their kpop idols journey They just need more times to create chemistry between them and to think of the team before all personal envy (?) I hope they will get more training in terms of vocals tho
Yea, real great start for sure and do hope it only goes up from there. Seem like they'll kinda be busy but once they get that off time, hopefully it's more time to build more chemistry but also train to be even more polished.
🧐authentic K-pop🧐 ??? People are mad silly. When Japanese, Vietnamese, Thais, Taiwanese and Chinese member debut they don't have anything against it but INDIA ??? Lmao they just are kinda racist. Because imo, at least on stage, they're really great
Yea, I think there is kinda like a hierarchy of acceptable foreign members. Even though it should really be about adapting to the kpop industry and talent, there is a greater acceptance for basically light skinned foreign members.
I think they should just get rid of Leia altogether. I've been listening to Blackswan since there debut and what Leia did was selfish asf. Literally bc she wanted to be the most popular member and she knew that wasn't gonna be possible with a black women in the group. As soon as all the other members unfollowed her and Fatou made that statement i knew she lied. Like of course she chose to pick on the black girl. bc she knew it would be easy for people to throw hate on her. Also majority of the fandom don't like Leia anyways so if they bring her back people are just gonna throw hate to her so.
Yea, I don't see from the Lumina side just because I kinda support them the way that I do, but I feel like surely there's still some Leia fans considering I saw some people want to know more about Leia's condition and update since she's been on a hiatus. Put that into a portion of Luminas and maybe that might be a small percentage, but there's still interest. I do feel like she should leave though but I can't tell whether they're throwing her into a dungeon to make her commit through her whole contract term to "ruin her career" or whether they do have plans and are just waiting for ehr to get better.
@@cloudchungxiao I know there are Leia fans I've seen them even argued with them. That's why I said Majority of the fandom don't like her not all. Bc I know there's that small percentage of ppl who still like. And they really shouldn't. Me personally idgaf about her condition her health nothing. What she did is wrong and I will never ever forgive her. She ruined her own career not the other way around
Omg, but can we actually talk about that though. Like amount of people against the whole idea of Blackswan tend to be international fans which lowkey also idk if this is also a correlation but everything within kpop lowkey kinda gotten more toxic with more international awareness of kpop too
@@cloudchungxiao yes exactly! I've seen Koreans loving them they love how sriya caught up on Korean language and culture as far as I've seen videos and twitter. But I've seen international fan time to time claiming oh they're not Korean and not 'pale skin' ............ Few in their trainee days even said they lacked in Korean and the fact all of those where not even korean 😭😭😭🤣
Yea, that's one thing I admire about Sriya, she feels real dedicated to the craft. which the others are too. However, you can just kinda feel it more with her considering how accelerated she has gotten to being able to communicate in Korean and all that. Defs sad that colorism is playing a huge factor as to why she may not be getting the reight attention, but with the whole HYBE and JYP trying to create global groups which still don't really know who the audience is for; hopefully this gives room for people to start putting respect on Blackswans name.
I think the thing that probably frustrates me the most is although things are looking up for them, their company is really lacking when it comes to promoting them properly. They made a few good moves with the two popular korean shows they were on but that's about it, they leave too much up to the fans and just the pure luck of fancams going viral ect. I'm happy they're getting bigger but management still needs to step up I think, they have great chemistry and are naturally entertaining and charismatic but the company also has to make a conscious effort to promote them. Even something as small as posting more on social media could do a lot for them. And also timing of comebacks, I understand they were busy this year and actually suspect there's big things we don't yet know of but a comeback that utilises the exposure they gained this year when it was at its peak could have done sooo much for them.
Yea, defs in a good direction now but I don't think we can get them to do everything amazingly. Fatou is out here going on so much more variety programs and helping getting the exposure of Blackswan with the group also doing some group activities too. Definition of booked and busy this year and so hopefully it all accumulates to a successful 2024 year with two comebacks atleast.
I love the new line up for black swan they definitely ate that comeback up and i love how they are getting a bit more attention then they did before even tho they are non Korean
Leia hasn’t been active since the scandal with Fatou & honestly Fatou seems happier with her members without her so I think it’s better Leia just leaves. I wish she could’ve been better as an idol & person but she clearly isn’t made for this & is quite irresponsible.
They did have some activities together but yea, not really in Korea as much. But yea, I wonder what tonight era Leia was like though? Was there some thing that kinda caused all of this or were people kinda letting slide because she was the Maknae and all that.
At first when I saw black swans first cover I didn’t find it very interesting. It seemed forced. But I decided to Stan because they are different from any Kpop group considering they a non Korean. But when they came out with Karma it seemed more their vibe and it made me feel and see their new potential.they’re interesting to me considering me being a black person and finding Kpop as an interest and a potential career. Fatou was the one who gave me motivation to ignore the discrimination around me.❤
Ohhh, you didn't like their debut?? Lowkey it was kinda refreshing for me hahaha. But yea, Karma was a real step up for sure and that's great to hear. You get to hear some of Fatou's solo work?
Ahh right, But yess, Fatou is doing solo work that really suits her. DEfs should give it a listen. Plus she has many collabs with her producer Leanon which are more relxing rnb vibes.
You did good on your explanation and the change you mentioned to retain members is a must to put Blackswan 3 footstool as a Kpop group. And yeah DR music should step up their game and I as Lumina following Blackswan since their debut hope that Blackswan members will not have messed up career in the Kpop🤦 I know the members really like K-pop and deserve a chance to be🖤❤️🦢
Yea, I was really entrigued during debut era and thought they could bring something new to kpop. It's been a bit messy but it seems like this comeback has been the most hopeful-ish that I've felt for them. Like surely they can build on this.
Yea, I do wonder what will happen to her. Seems like she's being thrown in the dungeon with no official confirmation she has left even though it sounds like she has unofficially left the group. But I wonder whether she's still bounded by a contract and so that's why it's been kinda hidden under the rug
I think former Rania member, Alex, wrote or is writing a book about her experience. Fatou seems like she has been integrating well with Korea considering she was there beforehand with her modeling career. But still will have stories for sure.
I don't know if with this lineup (which has had a fairly good welcome) they'll go to yearly hiatuses. That Karma was waaay more than I expected, not only as a song, but in the performances , especially the live ones. Maybe they'll add more members, I feel like that's the direction DR Music is going to take, but if the company has trainees that they want to add, they'll have to be at the same level that the members are. I wanna say I'm hopeful for BlackSwan's future, and that future doesn't include Leia.
Yea, I mean it'll also depends on how financially Blackswan did with this promotion too. Like it's great they're getting more attention and all that but if they can't financially recuperate the increased promotions and all that, then it'll kinda be hard for them to throw comebacks there way too. Really hope they don't add more trainees though because surely they've learnt from Rania and how bad of an idea that was.
Sometimes I have to remind myself that I don't hate BalckSwan. The members are talented, and Close to Me and Karma are total bops. However, I do hate DR music and their complete mismanagement of the group. I honestly don't feel like supporting the group because I truly believe that the next comeback will have yet another line up change, and after being burned on RaNia, I'm just over DR Music's bullshit.
Yea, the whole company reputation and all that is such a slippery slop for me. Like there really isn't a perfect company and so idk at what point do I completely say yea nah to all the succeeding groups. As for line up changes, its more the fact that you dont get stability in supporting the group. Like I would want to see my biases get swapped out for someone else.
@@ajahneely3876 Lineup changes aren't bad when the group is somewhat stable. Black Swan has had three comebacks with three different lineups, and DR Music's track record is shit. Lineup changes broke RaNia, and I'm not confident that DR music won't break Black Swan.
Yea, if we kinda look out how DR Music handles line up changes through Rania, it was a whole mess. It might be alright if they did it well but based on how the recent Blackswan members have left, not sure if we can be certain that much has changed.
Idea for you there is the 6 member curse, but what about the number in your name curse. 9muses, fromis_9, gugudan all 9 members all losing members from 1 randomly, 1 during contract resigning and whatever 9muses did😅
Honestly. Just the 9 member curse. DIA, Momoland, snsd, 9muses, fromis 9, gugudan. Only twice has survived the curse and even they had to perform multiple times with a member missing.
Ohhh yea, I've heard the 6 member curse but that 9 member thing is pretty interesting. Not sure what direction that would kinda go but I'll definitely add that to the list though. Thanks :)
@@viki7268 also jeongyeon was going to leave but the members convinced her to stay. Thank god because she’s my bias and twice is an amazing group with all 9. Snsd was my ultimate girl group until mamamoo came into my life.
I came across Blackswan today, never heard of them prior to that. And I'm actually glad I didn't know anything about the group til I searched them up. Honestly, the current members are a unique and talented bunch! I'm excited to see their future work 💛 this group has a lot of potential imo. I had no idea kpop were taking on non-korean idols but I am soooooo here for it!! 💯 Side note: I really think they need to hire better stylists and HMUA's that specialise in styling non-koreans. I get that kpop has a specific "look", but copy pasting those looks on these girls who are beautiful and diverse, doesn't do them justice! There's so many innovative hairstyles to try out with black hair for example, if they hired the right hairstylists to execute it. I hate that Fatou has to constantly wear weaves/wigs and hide her natural hair. This group has way too much potential, I hope DR music invests more into them!
I think they're getting getting better stylists now. I mean speak for Fatou's hair but I've been seeing DR allow Nvee to do more natural hair looks. Idk how much were natural compared to weaves and wigs but there were for sure stages where she went natural. But yea, this comeback has seen way mroe investment with a second music video for their b-sides and soon to be promotional stages for it too
I am new to Blackswan, having discovered them only now with the current lineup I am actually new to kpop overal, I did know a couple of songs here and there, but blackswan is the group that made me search more about what kpop is, and i am starting to try other groups songs I love blackswan, and wish them a lot of success...
Yea, loving that we're getting so much more from this line up. I recently watched their appearance on My neighbor, Charles and seems like they're gonna be releasing english version of their recent single album. Not sure whether they might even re-record the other songs too but can't wait to hear it. Plus if they accompany that with another comeback that would be even better.
Leanon is under DR Music too so they get the final say in releasing his music. I do kinda get that Leanon basically makes his own music but they should then get their own Leanon for Blackswan's music
BS might end up getting east asian members, it'll be benificial for the group and DR should for the first time do the job properly of promoting and protecting the group.
I've been seeing more posts and noise praising Blackswan despite being no Korean members. But I do wonder whether how much it will legitmise them even more if they had (A) a korean member or (B) an east asian member like if there was a difference.
I think there is still a slight stigma with foreign members from a very nationalistic country so that already reduces the popularity of foreign members. Considering that it is their demographic that they're targeting too then it doesn't help and so the whole idea of east asia is more of the concept of masking their identity through similarities formed throughout history.
Omg, I'm excited. Hopefully they can attract more people with their performance. It's great to see their new opportunities. But did you say tour??? Is this a solo tour for Blackswan?
Omg, hopefully that comes into fruitiion and there's no major obstacle. But yea, interesting country choices though and I wonder whether this was made with intention?
After hearing about the whole Rania situation before it makes it seem even more messy with lineup changes and… I kinda miss Hyeme 😢. But I will support BLACKSWAN.
Yea, I miss Youngheun and Judy. They were such great additions and reallly could have done more for Blackswan. It just really felt like DR Music didn't want to promote them that much and relied on the foreigners to kinda keep the relevancy of the group alive. But yes, they're music is still great and hopefully we get to hear more sooner than their standard wait times
Omg yea, I've been hearing a bit more live singing from them and all of them too. Not just Fatou which has been even better. Can't wait for this energy when they tour too.
I liked their music when I found “Close to Me” … but then when the Leia controversy happened I was so sad, since the group is so small. I thought its reputation would go under from that. Now that the new members have actually debuted too, with this comeback I actually feel hopefully Blackswan can do it. I’ve been reading a lot of love and support from Koreans across all the Blackswan recent videos and I’m super happy. I can’t wait for their water bomb performance
Omg yea, bullying, if that's what people called it, is such a heavy topic in Korea that I for sure thought that was it and Blackswan would not be able to recover. Luckily that doesn't seem like it and now they're slowly growing and reaching new peaks which is great to see.
I agree with much of this video but I do have issues with the foreign members remark as one of the "problems" The whole situation seemed rushed I agree, but with the members being foreign or Korean shouldn't be a problem they just needed time to grow and they have. "labeling Foreign Members and as one of the issues is shady and I am assuming he truly meant no shade. AND The term "Authentic Korean Pop" is quite an oxymoron as Kpop is not authentically Korean but very heavily influenced from western pop and Black urban culture like Jpop is more western Rock. The world is seeing music as universal and everyone has the right to not only enjoy but also partake, especially if its taken from your true culture, connecting with it would practically be in your DNA. How can it be called foreign when the rhythm and base is what "foreigners" grew up with and their parents listened to. The system that needs to change is thinking that the effort of learning a new language (Korean) is a huge deal when there are English lyrics in Kpop songs and even some Kpop songs are done mostly in English with Sprinkles of Korean. I remember there was a time when many song were produced with really bad English yet English speaking fans gave love none the less. Selena was one of Latin America's biggest stars, but she only learned Spanish long after her popularity grew. We don't know the full reasons for the last two Korean members graduating but looking closely at the present BlackSwan "Be Unique" ..... this is exactly what this cookie cutter industry needs. Allow all Kpop artists to show their true talents without feeling they have to look like they were Xeroxed and spat out of a factory. Everyone is feeling the chemistry with this lineup and they are loving it.
I think there is for sure a slight negative perception and apprehesion to foreign members within Kpop. It's way more worse if you can't completely camoflauge to appear Korean and so that's kinda what I mean in which there is a bit more work that is required. I feel like this should have been done within the training before debut but debuting them relatively quickly to get them to have this experience is also a viable option too. As for Authentic Kpop, I do understand how it's been influenced by many things and so it's not really an original concept, however, this is not the same perception seen within the industry, I mean we see so much cultural insensitivity happening within Kpop and there's almost this idea that they've formed their own niche which is why they're confident in determine what authentic kpop may be. The language seems to be a factor of consideration for authentic kpop as obviously kpop was intended to target Korean listeners which would have required them to understand what they were listening too. Overtime, it has evolved to the incorporation of english too. However, Korea is still relatively homogenous with it's way of thinking and experiencing things that limit their ability to perceive things in such an open-minded way to forgo a wide range of factors
I think we need an updated version after Roll Up’s release, im super duper intrested to see what your thoughts are for the future, or would it be similar to this video?
I’ve been following blackswan since the og lineup back in 2020 but I honestly like the current lineup the title track quality has really improved but I recently heard that DR has some japanese trainees they might add to the lineup which I think is really gonna mess it up
Black Swan is not like rania or bprania, they had member changes because mismanagement but black Swan actually has a graduation and rotation concept. A former trainer confirmed this too
Ohhh right. Not sure how you feel about this but seems like maybe you don't mind their concept? If so, why is that because I think a majority of people don't necessarily like this concept but either you've accepted it or actually might like it?
I think blackswan is doing fine nw nd Dr is trying their best to promote these girls nd I don't think so they lack in skills they have so much potential..they jst need experience nd a little improvements other than that past is in past u can't change so let's not focus on that focus on future nd support blackswan.
Yea, I mean skill wise in terms of performance, they've been improving a whole lot more which is amazing. There is always a bit more that they can do and just in their off time, hopefully they can kinda get onto a more confident-ish level both speaking and even seeming more polished. But yea, hopefully with the slightly improved promotion, we start to see better for the future of blackswan.
I don't know how well they're going to do. They are doing extensive promotions, they appeared on so many music shows, I'm surprised how they're able to get so many spots on music shows without much popularity. Despite all this their views on their music video hasn''t increased much.
Their views are organic and you can tell from the like to view ratio. A lot of Kpop groups just stream their groups mv to brag about popularity while having 100k likes but Blackswan are actually really knows esp in China and Japan
@@momofilm147 but even without the ad views many of those kpop groups still get higher views then Blackswan and those groups also have many fans as compared to Blackswan
@@Yoest.1 Blackswan is still relatively new with new members. Even on music shows, they always garner some of the highest views..either no one or top three. A lot of people know them, a lot are scared to Stan because they’re afraid a member will leave
@@momofilm147 ah okay but Blackswan aren’t that new they’ve been around for a while which is why I say that their popularity hasn’t really made a massive change but I think what throws a lot of people off when it comes to the group is that so much is always going on, it’s either members are leaving then coming back again then they add new people and on top of that they have poor management, it’s just a lot going on
Fatou confirmed that the current lineup will be the final lineup. I'm happy because as much as I miss Judy and Youngheun, this lineup just goes together well. I'm not sad that Blackswan is permanently Fatou, Nvee, Gabi, and Sriya.
Yea, this whole era has really rebuilt up blackswan for me with the amount that they've been doing equating to more than they've done in their first two years.
@cloudchungxiao Your so right! Post Karma Blackswan feels so much different than Pre Karma Blackswan. Even production quality is not the same(thank god). It really feels like Karma is the debut of this brand new group to me. Karma Era had definitely rebuilt BS because it was ready to drop them after the Leia fiasco, but I held out hope, and I'm glad I did.
Omg yea, idk if I would have even made this video tbh. This whole era gives so much reassurance. Promoting at festivals, a bside, English version to releases, more appearances just in general. There is just so much hope for their future
To me this is kind of a good era for them. The members and performances are great and the members seem like they like each other. But I do miss the other Korean members because I have been watching the group since debut and I know they were close too. I think the new members are great additions, especially Syria because she is EATING UP the live stages. I don't think they need Leia and I think the fans don't like her, so it would be awkward to add her back. If they add new members, I think it will be bad for the group, since most people enjoy this line up the most. I will support if the company isn't being absolute trash to them, but I think many people will leave the fandom if the lineup changes again. I am forever mad at them taking the FIRE RAP Fatou had out of the streaming version of Close to Me. I'm happy Fatou is getting her own solo music that is so different from the group's music because it means they are letting her fully work on her own music. Fatou is the most popular and probably most known and liked because she has been there the longest, and she is just relatable (and gorgeous and good at Korean), so I'm not surprised the company wants to push her because she is the face of the group at this point. If Fatou left the group, it would probably sink, unless they added a really surprising member to the group to get people's attention.
This has defs been a good era because they seem to have more promotions, no big controversy has happened for them and they're getting more positive reception from the korean demographic which I feel like is a large demographic that they're trying to capture. Just really hoping that it translates into financial returns to give DR the clear sign to give them more comebacks. The whole member changes would be a terrible idea for sure but I just realised while replying to another comment; they have a graduation system which kinda gives the vibes that they might have constant line up changes to replace the graduated members. OMG, you're the first comment to mention this which absolutely makes no sense. Fatou's rapping was so much of a stand out during close to me that I don't get why they didn't include it. They whole instrumental kinda ruins the songs and makes it too empty which is why I'm hesitant to even stream the song. I'd rather stream it on youtube where I can jam to the second rap. Also glad, she's getting the opportunity to release her own music too. I wonder what her opportunities would be like post-DR Music though. Hopefully she kinda has many and doesn't feel confined to staying with DR Music just because they might be the only ones to support her.
@@cloudchungxiao DR Music probably uses the graduation system as a cover up so they can just switch the line up whenever they need to, which worries me for the group as well, it's really not a good system and just has never worked out, I think it's the only way they know how to say "we wanted to change the group again so we pushed out more members." Removing that rap was the most confusing choice, like you said, her rapping was a highlight of the song🥲 justice for that rap immediately. If I were Fatou, I would also be hesitant to leave DR Music for fear of lack of opportunity. BUT I am hopeful that if she releases enough solo music, some companies will see that she is hardworking and passionate about making her own music, and she has her own image. But you never know I guess, she might feel comfortable in the company because they are kind of relying on her to be the glue of the group. I hope they are getting money this comeback, or at least signs of more money possibilities. They should give this line up at least 2 more comebacks, for my sake 😅
Honestly had the same though about the whole graduation system. But yea, apparently the CEO changed and so management is a bit different in a good way which I guess you could tell a bit by how the promotions have been going. Maybe there is good things coming which also read from the comments that a comeback, a tour and atleast one festival performance too. So really making moves.
DR Music is a mess. like... blackswans music is really good but but they are still a group by dr music. i don't want to be a fan, 'cause they could randomly leave anytime. or get kicked out. or just go home and dr music doesn't notice (that really happened with one of ranias members). oh i hate it... i think their current lineup is pretty good but... once i blink, they'll change the lineup 3 times... i really hope they will stay in the group. i really hoped, the messy lineup changes would have stopped, when they finally let rania go but here we are... at least one member made it through 3 music releases...
Hahaha, that last sentence is lowkey sadly funny. Didn't follow Rania that much but did anyone beat Fatou's achievement of ebing on three title tracks?
okay firstly let’s get rid of the graduation system and leia doesn’t deserve to graduate her ass needs to LEAVE. as for the current lineup i think they should stay like this and don’t add a 5th member. they have been seeing a lot of praise since karma’s promotions so hopefully this shows their company that they can get a comeback sooner than a year.
Hahaha okay that's pretty funny though, but to respectfully end Leia's contract, I think she gotta graduate. Even with Chuu's departure, industry experts were talking about how companies will always try to end peacefully no matter how bad it has gotten so neither sides gets hurt reputation wise and it allows both to move on.
It really is pretty decent and hopefully we get more from them before any changes happen because it really sounds like there might be some additions in the future. Not sure about graduations though
With X:IN, Blackswan has a serious rival that competes for fans and investment. X:IN has a caucasian girl and an Indian girl who seem to have the visual that Koreans like more. Unlike Blackswan, X:IN does not have black girl, which means it receives much less hateful reception.
I do see what you mean. X:IN has had an easier journey for getting Korean attention because there foreigners have the beauty standard of Korean compared to Blackswan. However, X:IN is still pretty early on into their career so we'll jsut have to see about that. Plus, with the recent departure of a member just only into their debut era, we'll see how they can navigate through that too.
Ngl, haven't really listened to that. Their b-sides have always been alright but nothing amazing so I think I lowkey intentionally just put all my attention on Karma. Might have to actually give it a listen
This video steps on its own toes in so many different parts but I’ll just say this their training period may not have been as long as others but they are severely outdoing their peers that have trained for much longer. Also until kpop embraces and learns from the different cultures it borrows from ON A REGULAR BASIS I don’t think any international idol should HAVE TO learn Korean
When you say outdoing their peers, are you refering to peers on the similar debut times or just in general? As for learning the language, I mean they are in the KPop system and Korean environment, so it's kinda a necessity for them to learn the language. If they don't, well its real limited opportunities to promote and then who will they speak with because not all companies with have interpretors readily available to be by their side to do everything together. Plus the Korean demographic which would be the target audience would not embrace the idol at all if they're not showing any effort considering you can perform music anywhere so why come to Korea to become a kpop idol only to not learn Korean.
@@cloudchungxiaoyou asking that makes me feel like you haven’t paid attention to any of the new girls pre debit activities they spent a considerable amount of time immersing themselves in the culture and while I think learning the language will help you didn’t adress my point which is, for an industry that heavily borrows form other cultures w little to no props or recognition why do foreign idols competing in the market need to do something their peers don’t and probably won’t ever do? As far as their peers No idol raps like Fatou Few idols can dance like Sriya and even fewer idols can sing like Nvee that’s what I mean. Gabi for example may not be the best in those categories but her training period clearly paid off tremendously bc look at where she started vs where she is now. Lumina that have actually been keeping up wthe girls wouldn’t have even questioned some of the points made in this video
I mean doing things for the camera doesn't necessarily equate to actually being completely immersed in the most effective ways. As for your point, I mean they don't have to necessarily learn the language for sure, but it does hinder their abilities to target that same market that they're promoting in. I do know that Kpop has been heavily influenced by the outside markets and was not solely created from Korean culture, but that's not how the market or the industry will think and let Blackswan pass just like that. I mean if Fatou, Sriya and Nvee have the skill levels that you perceive, it surely should transcend and allow the group to thrive even better but it hasn't really. Not saying they can't get there but it'll still take time if they wanna go through an unconvential way because they would be creating their own mould that doesn't have a complete certainty of creating success for them
its been years of hoping for dr music to be a little "decent" company, im tired of it i wish them the best anyways, idk why fatou stayed maybe bc they offer her a solo career aside the group so im happy 4 her. leah will never come back, once a member from rania goes to hiatus, that means she will never comeback to the group. that karma is doing really well, more that i expected, and they will be on a well known festival soon, so this era feels really good to them. seems like the management has improved but idk lets see what happens
Yea, that's what I'm hoping is not the reason. But I could see Fatou staying with DR because she would have a really uncertain future if she were to try another company. Management's changed. I read that the CEO is new and doing more work to get Blackswan promoted which can defs noticable considering what they've been up to.
but, imo, i think they would be good if they're recognized as a pop group singer than a K-pop group, it's just... K-pop nowadays almost lost its "K", i mean, what happened to "K" in K-pop(?).
Ahh okay, cool cool. Korean as in the person has to be korean im assuming? because Blackswan sings in Korean. But yea, there's a few people in the comments that think like you which I defs can see for sure. But yea, I feel like they're one of the outliers of non-korean membered groups who actually have put in the work. There first two comebacks though, did you consider them kpop since they had majority korean members during the debut era and then 50/50 during the first comeback?
@@cloudchungxiao yes, and it doesn't mean that i didn't accept the new members, so, if you're triggered by my comment, that's okay, i don't force my opinion on anyone, once again!, so i appreciate your replies, have a nice dayy!
Nah thats alg. Just wanted to make sure I was understanding what you were saying. How did you feel about the group before this current comeback though? Because they did have korean members, but obviously they left in different circumstances. Would you call them kpop when they debuted or when they had their first comeback?
If it is true then I m very consion about the sriya lanka career in kpop and I love her so much and hope that if the current line up will change and she wouldn't be there, so it's would not be the end of her dream. She will find the batter and bigger company to her self
Yea, of the recent members of Blackswan, Sriya is a defs stand out for her commitment and dedication. Hopefully, she can experience a better side of the kpop industry and that DR doesn't do anything to sabotage it.
Fatou writes/composes her own things, that's why the company let's her do her thing. There's also the language situation, because of the changes the new members were still learning korean. It was never a situation in which the company decided to put Fatou over the group, it was just a pretty obvious set of circumstances that affected the group. And even now with Karma korean are still saying their pronunciation is bad overall. You lost me a bit when you complained about that because anyone with 2 working brain cells can understand what happened and why. But other than that it was a decent video. I honestly don't see Blackswan around for much longer, maybe one or two comebacks. Without a korean member, they are doomed in Korea and the international fans are mostly latin-american kids with no real money to spend on them unless they pull a KARD-like move and start touring in latin america, other than that it'll be a lot of "go queens" and that's it.
Nah i get the fact that she wrote and composed her songs, but DR Music have the final decision to releasing all this music. So I thought even if it was not a mini album maybe releasing two single album each year would be nice for Blackswan to accumulate a discography since DR Music seems to only properly promote them in like the korean demographic whereas Fatou's solo was more underground and niche'd for the blackswan fans. The whole language thing was more in relation to not debuting early because of all these struggles that they can face. First with obviously korean reaction since that is the primary demographic that they are targeting. Second with the promotions which become limited because will they just solely rely on Fatou to speak about everything. Then third, just communicating with the environment in general. Like Korea is where they're at and so their surrounding will be a lot of Korean language and so being able to navigate when it comes to the behind the scenes thing too. Like obviously I know their circumstances have led to them not being able to speak korean as well but this is more DR who should have waited a bit to actually let them debut if their Korean wasn't at a passable level to interact with others. This comeback has been getting a lot more appreciation. It's the use of Korean that's getting them more legitness but we'll just have to see whether that's enough to get them attention and how much
This line-up could be group and Blackswan could live on, they will always have Rania as a shadow but only if the company can actuall promote/manage the group.
Idk if it'll determine their place; but I feel like with everything that's happening, if we don't see a boost of more than Karma era, then it's not looking the best. I feel like they'll still continue to grow with the way they're promoting atm.
inthink this video was before cat & mouse and all they did to promote? ot's strange to sya that but it seems that they almost do everything by themselves more than the compagny, Fatou haad again a new album (and she seems to write and compose it and thennasked for mv) but yeah it would be gret that the compagby do more they seem to have more opportunities, more shows and even got to Korea Fashion thing the lineup seems strong and they seem to help each other to handle it, I kinda admire them and even if the management is not good, it seems to have other pepole (choregraphers, mv producer, thev"litttle manager" etc etc) that are professional and really make them be on spot
@@cloudchungxiao NZ 😁what a small world my island nation in the Pacific too on the top of NZ....am really trying to promote Blackswan here in the Pacific Islands but it is very tough regarding the Pacific Island music from different islands and in Pacific Island people in NZ
I heard about the asia tour recently which is amazing but another comeback too?? Damm, we really getting fed. Hopefully, they;ve got a lot of this planned out and it's not empty promises from DR
Sometimes I wonder if Alex would’ve stayed with DR Music if she had known another black woman would be coming into the lineup. I always imagined their interactions would’ve been so cute and funny. It’s a shame they never met & that Alex didn’t get to properly shine said from being a token the way we see Fatou fully utilized in the group.
Yea, blackswan and rania utilised there foreign members in such a different way that idk exactly what they would have done with another foreign member within Rania.
Supporting them is okay, but not the company. They won’t get paid any cent. My bias would be Judy > Gabi > Alena > Leia > Fatou. Not having any Koreans was intentional to standout, and it did work, for now.
Ohh, how do you support them without supporting the company? Technically their associated with the company in most ways so it all redirects back to them right? Lowkey how I feel about MNH atm but 8Turn's debut kinda slaps.
this youtuber as in me??? Firstly who's the rival? Does Blackswan have a rival group or is that like another way of saying anti? But then also where are the Luminas talking about me if this is about me? This video lowkey popping off and so someone must have surely spread this to some group or community.
I really don’t see the problem with the ex members leaving at some point they are gonna leave anyways and y’all are not acting like this when other members from other groups are leaving but y’all keep on highlighting blackswan
It's more about the consistency of having the same members. Like how can do you feel certainty with a group when members might come and go. Typically for other groups, it's like one or two members that leave while the group remains the same. With blackswan, we've seen the whole debut line leave both officially and unofficially besides Fatou. Luckily I think Fatou confirmed this line up is permanent now and there wont be anymore changes but yea, that was one of the issues while they were starting off considering each comeback has never had the same line up with some kinda adjustment.
I'm not sure whether I would consider Rania and Blackswan the same group despite going through very similar things. Idk, they just feel more like separate entities
Idk about the re-recording Rania. I would want them to ditch any association with Rania and that era of DR Music. This looks like a complete rebrand in the right direction and so hopefully they continue to promote them well with original music
I don’t think there very popular because there foreign. I’m not being racist or nothing but it’s just not giving Korean Kpop vibes that much,even tho there songs are Koreans with some English in it. I understand there are other foreign people in kpop like Chinese or Japanese Thai and stuff like that but it’s still Asian u know. They are like really foreign like they are not Asian at all. It feels more like American people singing in Korean. It just doesn’t feel Kpop Korean u know? I understand there trying to make it different with not always Koreans like Japanese and stuff but they just don’t really look right in Kpop. Like I want Kpop to stay Asian because that is what they represent. They would of been better in a non Korean band. I feel they would be more popular. It’s just out of place for me.
Yea, I kinda get what you mean but with the globalisation of kpop, kpop is going different places. I wonder what you think about english releases? Sounds like you think "american people" shouldn't be apart of Kpop which; an aspect of that is english. That means it must feel wrong when groups release anything in english because that's not Korean or Asian enough? Plus that might lowkey even mean no global promotions beyond Korea or Asia because wouldn't that be too foreign? Like they just would be out of place like you said if foreigners were to join kpop; surely same would apply if it were reveresed. Sriya is technically Asian but because of colorism, people don't qualify her as Asian. What is acceptable is generally east Asians that are light skinned because that's the beauty standard which is a prevalent thing within Korea. Kinda curious to see whether that's kinda your reasoning to the certain asian members that you are okay with? I feel like this comeback might not encapsulate the whole Kpop aesthetic because they've used a lot of Indian elements too considering the song, and MV was filmed in India.
If you studied music it would be obvious knowledge that Kpop isn't even authentic Korean its taken from western pop and urban black culture. So saying I'm not racist while saying they are not the right race to sing songs that foundation/basslines, rhythms, even attitude came from their own culture is racist and straight up unfair. Let an individual's talent speak for itself and be celebrated, where ever they want once they are not offensive. How many Kpop song blatantly refer to black artists as inspiration??? Beyonce in Queencard for reference. Kpop isn't going different places, It came from different places.
First time hearing about BlackSwan in June 2023 and I saw their live performance, it was ok😑. I feel they're going to end up like Kaachi or Exp Editon even Nct hollywood was cancelled if they don't have enough promotion
Oooo, idk about that one. I feel like there's more legitness with them but I guess that's how I see it. But also June 2023???? You mean this month?? Damm, hahaha. You gonna keep an eye on them or meh about it?
Blackswan is not even that popular. None of there music videos even reached 10 million videos.( I think) usually songs would reach like 200-500 million views or even more. Even when Kpop idols meet there fans to perform and stuff like that there are usually A LOT of people but for blackswan there was just like 400 people. Not hating. But it’s a bit upsetting
I mean yea blackswan is signed under a small company of course they’re not going to have 200 million views. They don’t have the same privilege as groups signed under the big 3
Yea, you're looking at completely different group comparisons. It's like comparing the work done by a senior compared an intern. Completely different factors that play apart as to why you can technically compare but it just wouldn't make sense.
Many Korean fans want Leia’s coming back. But it depends on Fatou. Because Fatou is the leader of BlackSwan now, her decision making is very very important. If she wants Leia, Leia can come back. It’s up to Leia’s attitude to leader Fatou.
Idk if it's necessarily up to Fatou but i see what you mean. I wonder what the ratio of people in support of a Leia return vs people side eying the fact that both are still in the same group
Yea, Blackswan received much more attention this come back from the Korean public so probably less likely to know about her as much. But it's always the small minority that tend to be the loudest most times, so it could potentially negatively impact them if they start to damage the reputation of Blackswan for Leia's sake
I was watching and supporting them at first because of Fatou but the constant changes in line up and controversy I just stopped . It was too much to get instead of music from them
I don't see this group having any future in this very competitive industry, because the group, despite being from a Korean agency, practically has no Korean members anymore, "how can that be considered k-pop". dr music is trying to turn shreya into an aria, even though the aria phenomenon is something that happens every 1000 to 1000 years, as well as the resurrection of the brave girls after a decade, if the agency really wanted to take it all seriously in relation to the global market, they would have trained these girls in languages like Japanese and chinese, thinking of taking a slice of the Asian market in these two countries, they tried to make Rania debut in China and Japan but it didn't work, even more so singing in Korean , one of the reasons that doesn't make me think that they will never have lasting success is the fact that an idol is not made in months or 2 years, but in almost a decade of training, as any agency would prepare its future idol for many years. that's why dr music only wipes ice with each comeback, in my humble opinion.
Yea, I mean we'll really have to see. They've started off well with this new line up and so hopefully they can build momentum. They've even got a tour planned this coming year in Asia which is a good sign of growing popularity. Not sure about how well they will thrive in Korea without a korean member but they are getting praised for their predominant use of the korean language in their music so that's a start.
@@cloudchungxiao you are more than right, the least that these girls could present is to have some command of the native language of Korea, of course the fact that she fatou does better in this language, because she has been living in South Korea longer than the other members, this really impresses a Korean who sees a foreigner know how to communicate in their language, I think that dr music has to focus 90% on the international market, such as India, the country of one of the members, Japan and mainly China, which is a big market, and even the agency should have already put into practice language classes such as Japanese and Chinese, in the past they tried to debut rania in china and Japan singing in korean, but it went wrong and it was all a big mistake, now it could redeem itself in relation to these flaws, the Escrow agency of x:in is doing a great job in china with the hype of the success of aria, dr music should follow this example, it only remains to wait for the next steps.
Can a white British guy rap and still be called a rapper? Can a Japanese DJ in patois and still be called a Reggae/Dancehall artist. Oh wait, do any Asian have the right to call themselves rappers and dance hip hop. Wait! ..... that is practically the entire Kpop industry. The injustice is ridiculous and stomach turning.
@@prhapsody5197 you said it right is a mixture of everything, k-pop was born absorbing elements of american and japanese culture, american pop and hip hop, rapper along with japanese pop music mainly kawaii style very popular in this country, the difference is that the Koreans turned all this into something of their own, the agencies' training method in terms of dancing, singing and discipline is what impresses, all future idols take years to form.
Hahaha that's alright. I don't think I necessarily portray them in a bad light. I just kinda use their past as a reference to where they've come from and kinda take each issue as a point on how they could move forward explained in my final thoughts. But yea, that title really attention grabby and misleading for sure.
I see no problem with international fans being a fan of Korean pop and culture, but personally I do see a problem with Idol's that aren't Korean (yes even Asian one's) bc the fact that Korean pop isn't just Pop music in Korea, there's a lot of culture in Korea that is very important to Korean stans who at the beginning were the target audience, and for someone to see that and be like "yea I wanna be that too" it's kinda straining K-pop from being Korean pop, to just not be as how it originally stood for, and it's cool how artists start realising English versions of their song for their western audience, but with Japanese covers and now completely different races joining an industry ment for Korean ppl, it feels like K-pop isn't even K-pop anymore.
And? So are Korean artist trying to break into Hollywood or the american pop industry, nobody told them they can't. There is Korean ground of pagode (very specify Brasilian music) nobody told them they couldn't reproduce it. Kpop is a huge mix appreciation and also straight up appropriation of a lot of things that do not belong to their culture. The industry of kpop becoming international was the best thing that could've happened to Korea, gave them a lot space, they intentionally tried to take the hallyu wave far and beyond , they saw a chance and took it,. This industry since long ago has not been just for Korean audiences, they could've kept if they wanted. It is only natural that people inspired by it would also feel like to participating in it. If it'll work for them, we don't know, but they do nothing wrong by simply participating like they once dreamed of they were tenager when kpop was being sold to them as something for them too. Western aren't the ones changing kpop, is the korean industry itself trying to become even more global and mainstream. Those are all Korean people work behind.
I mean what is Kpop? That is kinda question I posed in one of my videos. Because is Kpop having korean lyrics? going through the entertainment industry? being korean? There isn't a clear definition for it and I think as long as they kinda can follow the culture of how kpop has been; i don't see anything that wrong with it. You say that it's straining from Kpop if non-korean idols join but then wouldn't releasing english version make it not authentic as much anymore. Like that's catering to the western audience which why should they if the korean demographic is still the audience they target. Plus the second demographic that most groups will target is Japan clearly seen through most groups who release music in Japanese. That's been the standard which you think is wrong but also think english covers are alright? Obviously kpop can't remain the same completely. Like 1st gen, 2nd gen, 3rd gen and even 4th have their own aspect and elements that they focus on which people could complain about and think they new generation is not doing it just for the predecessor. However, there is almost an evolution to it which the whole global awareness and popularity for kpop has sorta aided in this transition to what kpop could be. But yea, defs just thoughts though.
![[EN/KOR] FanTalk with BLACKSWAN: Blackswan members are proud and happy to stand where they are](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/hQJueH77EpY/mqdefault.jpg)
Two Main Things:
1) KEEP the current four member lineup.
2) Release a full album WHILE they still have the popularity right now.
1) is easy and surely DR Music sees the reception to keep things as is. 2) might be a bit harder considering their still a relatively small company. Start off with mini albums and we'll see if they can maintain that consistency before bumping to full album. I mean Blackswan's debut was a full album and that was mainly rehashes of Rania's music
This current line up feels perfect. They came back stronger than ever I really hope their company doesn't ruin it lol
Honestly though, hopefully they learn from this and can just build up the momentum
Was this announced during debut or kind of assumed because of the two graduation. Didn't really hear about their concept being rotational.
@@cloudchungxiaoi dont remember it being announced either, BUT i believe ever since Rania, they had a “Graduation” system (which i don’t necessarily agree with). I believe it is close to a concept of graduation like AKB48.
@@cloudchungxiaothey never went by this system. It was the excuse that was used earlier on during OG Rania. The truth is the label just can’t label correctly
@@idkjshssbvVsthat was only a concept for rania, DR has always marketed blackswan as a regular permanent group with no graduation concept that was only brought up last minute when the korean members wanted to leave💀
I think Black Swan is doing better than ever. This current line-up has good chemistry and they are good performers.
Yess, and hopefully DR Music can see that and just not make any abrupt decisions with the line up considering the systems they have in place
@@cloudchungxiao If they change the lineup their best bet is to terminate their contracts with the agency and if they don't allow it they will file a lawsuit like FIFTY FIFTY did.
I definitely think BlackSwan has improved from where they started . They can definitely be big if they play their cards right because their strength is that they are different and non Korean. As far as Fatou getting more solos, she speaks Korean better than her members and she’s established her presence more than her other members so it makes sense that she would have more projects because she’s promoting the group at the same time. As far as Leia, she just needs to go away. She was WAY to unprofessional and catty while also jeopardizing the groups hard work to really put themselves out there.
Blackswan has for sure progressively gone better with each comeback. Music wise for sure. Can't say member wise because only Fatou has consistently made the comeback to show her improvement. The whole being able to speak Korean better kinda speaks to the training that the other members have gotten and so yea hopefully they do get to improve with that. However, most or even all of Fatou's solo work is in english too so not sure about that. But yea, Leia kinda provides not much value anymore which was such an unfortunate move for DR to just keep her still if they weren't even gonna utilise her.
@@cloudchungxiao they have to wait for the contract to ends…otherwise they’ll have to pay her.
their strength being just non korean members? It isn't a strength and there were others groups before them with no koreans members
@@newjeansfan238 what other group completely consisted of non Korean members? Non Asian members? Like I said it’s a strength for them because they are literally a global group, meaning the members are from all over the world whereas when survival shows claim global they just mean Korea, China and Japan.
Actually former Blackswan group, BP Rania consisted of a woman named Alexandra Reid who was not asian. But as we know the group is gone, turned into Rania and now Blackswan. Not sure if you’re talking abt the whole group having non koreans or non asians, but there are other groups that have few non korean members 🤷♀️
I rebuke all the negative energy and thoughts towards BlackSwan. All positive energy for these girls. AMEN ❤
Amen
Ngl, this video makes me kinda glad because i'm just seeing so many different people comment about Blackswan in a real good light and so it's like reassurance that they've got a good fanbase
they're asianfishing.. (not official term but idk what else to call it)
@@volkova6209 they are good at it arent they, even asians love and support them.
@@volkova6209do you even know what that is💀
The current line up is the best. Ofc it’ll be harder for them to be recognized in Korea but if the company promotes them more overseas there’s potential for their success. The problem is that graduation sht. It’s utterly useless and won’t get the group the exposure they need. Hyemi was my bias but she left and Leia was the problem. It’s all about great management and I don’t have high hopes for it.
Yea, that graduation thing doesn't make sense to me. Like what makes you qualified for graduation?? It surely can't just be contract renewals because then they should call it that. Plus Judy and Fatou joined at the same time too so it can't be that or Fatou would have left too. Plus would graduating be forced based on criterias because if anyone was to graduate next, it would be Leia and Fatou as they are the most senior within the group and I'm not ready to see any news of Fatou graduating.
korea actually is praising them and they’re getting recognition there a lot, but they are still doing overseas promotion later in the year
so for Leia she had said that she planned on destroying the group after she left so maybe that's why they're keeping her on such a long hiatus to maybe avoid that. I mean they could get lawyers involved if necessary, but I don't know if it'll happen or not
According to Fatou, that is what Leia said but Leia did do some activities with Blackswan after that contreversy and before this comeback so idk if that statement necessarily still remains true. Plus, she would have spilt way much more by now if she wanted to destroy the group. I think it's more of a punishment that DR is kinda putting her in.
@@cloudchungxiao ah okay
At this point Leia unofficially left
3:43 There definitely was a conclusion. Hyeme was found innocent in the court case 🎉
Omg thanks, I had to relook into it because there really isn't much articles on it. I want to say that it might be because she left the entertainment industry so there wasn't much noise or care for the updates. But yea, from what I read. It was deemed not guilty due to insufficient evidence. "A" had exaggerated the amounts and that this could have ended sooner but was repopened because of "A." Like damm, I wonder if this was kinda shown a bit more, would that have been better for Blackswan or would it kinda do nothing since she was not apart of the group anymore.
Black Swan cursed 🤢🤡
Seems like a potential new lead tbh with the way this era is going
Black swan are getting pretty popular in Korea and Japan and are gonna preform at one of the biggest concerts in Korea. All they need is for Leia to go away and dr needs to be smart
Biggest concert; you mean the waterbomb festival? But yea, heard they will be doing an Asia tour sometime in the future which is great that DR is doing some things right and getting them to promote elsewhere too.
it’s honestly sad how much bad promo they got with the leia situation, i’ve been following them for a while and that gave me the “ick” for the longest time, even when the new lineup was announced I was a little exceptical, but i’m really happy that things are going well now and I hope they keep the momentum!! this line up is really great
Yea, this is probably the only era so far without a massive controversy which is such a sad thing to say. I think most people were empathetic or sympathetic to Fatou as more was revealed because how are you suppose to just become besties after all that Leia did, so a lot were iffy about the future of Blackswan. But yea, hope this a new and better chapter for them
The leia situation really messed up their reputation not only did she like racist tweets about fatou but she also got accused of sa on tiktok bc ot3 fans found videos of leia touching the members and the members in the clips looked uncomfortable, she also had mocked desis a couple of weeks before the bullying scandal, even now so many people don’t wanna stan blackswan bc of the amount of chaos she caused which is sad cause the other members really worked hard to debut
@@eyevee4446 Fatou and Youngheeun also liked comments hating Leia and when Leia saw that her fans were liking racist comments she asked for them to dont do that
I love Blackswan and I wish to see them succeed so badly but it is truly upon on how they're handled by the company. If they keep releasing music such as Karma/Cat & Mouse in a timely manner, and promote as much as they've been doing in this comeback they'll do great! My opinion on Leia is just like everyone else, kick her out. She has done more harm then good and adding her back would just be weird and I'm pretty sure no one would like it. And lastly they need to keep this lineup!!!!! No adding or subtracting anybody, they have so much potential and I believe adding more members would just be a bad look since they have a stigma for changing members like the seasons. I Love Blackswan and I can't wait to see them grow musically and watch them preform!!!! Stream #Cat&Mouse !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yesss, learn from this and hopefully numerically, there's a noticeable change for DR Music to actually stick with this. I'm reading a few people say there will be some potential new members added to group which potentially like you idk how to feel about this.
Leia would be such a good Center though, her dance skills are great.
ngl......blackswan is doing extremely well now.......past is past but present is good which marks a good future ahead
Ohh for sure. This comeback was a good change up from what has been happening to them.
Nvee wasn’t rushed. It was because she had years of experience behind her
true........her vocals are finer than most other idols
Years of experience?? I don't think she trained that long in the kpop environment. I know vocally she's real top tier, but the kpop scene is not the same as any type of training including just vocal training. There's way more to it which is why I felt like she was rushed.
@@cloudchungxiaoI wasn’t referring to her training in the K-pop industry 👍
@@cloudchungxiaoshe was already a vocalist before training
Right right. Yea, she's got the vocals on lock for sure. But Kpop encapsulates many aspects plus the whole navigating in a foreign country so language kinda do be important too. It's kinda like how many real talented people don't get to debut for various reasons. That's kinda what I mean when I think that her vocals may be good, but it will kinda only take her that far before people expect a bit more in other aspects.
The hyeme situation. That man lied about it and he was a obsessive fan that tried taking her down because he couldn’t have her all for herself.
Yea, not much was appearing up in the search history when looking for the resolution. I feel like nobody cared as much about it and so that's why it was heavily underreported. Defs was an obsessive fan and heavily exaggerated the amounts and situation, which like literally why?? The ruling was deemed not guilty on Hyeme's side due to not sufficient evidence which makes me think that at the end of the day, it might be a he said she said situation where legally, neither could win to get any compensation for both fraud or defamation.
@@cloudchungxiao it’s sad that hyeme couldn’t get a good ending to her career as an idol. I wish her well. As well as youngheun and Judy.
Yea, really unfortunate honestly. But also, you think what DR said was legit for Hyeme? Like she was always planning to leave after her contract expired?
Ok but you completely left out that DRs management is now changed. The original CEO didn’t care about the group rather cared about capitalizing. Now that he left his company to his son his son now realizes he could lose the company and learned from his father that groups need to be nurtured and taken seriously for a company to work. And he has been working overtime getting them on music shows and having that song get exposure. In all honesty it’s the new CEO helping this group thrive. If they didn’t have him then I don’t think they would have gotten this song or production value.
I for sure know the girls are talented but they finally have a CEO/Company that believes in them and that’s the number one thing needed.
Oooo, news to me but lowkey would make sense. That's kinda making me hopeful for their future for sure. DO you know when this transition happened?
@@cloudchungxiao i want to say it happened in 2022. Yoon Youngji is now the CEO and not Deung-Ryeong.
Ohh yea, kinda slightly making sense. Just hope he follows through with it for sure.
Some of y’all seem like haters in these comments for a recent group that debuted again they’re doing extremely well even under a small company. They not only are good dancers,singers, visuals but they performance is a step up. You people really want to see them fail it’s crazy how they’re getting much love from Asia but westerners are so hateful.
I've been responding to a lot of the comments and feel like maybe only one made a weird comment comparing Blackswan to another group. Other than that, it's been praises or some hopes for the group. But yea, I feel like westerners tend to be the noisest with having something bad to say.
This lineup is actually the best. You can tell how the quality in terms of production, promotions and delivery got a huge upgrade. We can easily see how the girls love to perform and I will look up for their kpop idols journey
They just need more times to create chemistry between them and to think of the team before all personal envy (?) I hope they will get more training in terms of vocals tho
Yea, real great start for sure and do hope it only goes up from there. Seem like they'll kinda be busy but once they get that off time, hopefully it's more time to build more chemistry but also train to be even more polished.
🧐authentic K-pop🧐 ??? People are mad silly. When Japanese, Vietnamese, Thais, Taiwanese and Chinese member debut they don't have anything against it but INDIA ??? Lmao they just are kinda racist. Because imo, at least on stage, they're really great
Yea, I think there is kinda like a hierarchy of acceptable foreign members. Even though it should really be about adapting to the kpop industry and talent, there is a greater acceptance for basically light skinned foreign members.
I think they should just get rid of Leia altogether. I've been listening to Blackswan since there debut and what Leia did was selfish asf. Literally bc she wanted to be the most popular member and she knew that wasn't gonna be possible with a black women in the group. As soon as all the other members unfollowed her and Fatou made that statement i knew she lied. Like of course she chose to pick on the black girl. bc she knew it would be easy for people to throw hate on her. Also majority of the fandom don't like Leia anyways so if they bring her back people are just gonna throw hate to her so.
Yea, I don't see from the Lumina side just because I kinda support them the way that I do, but I feel like surely there's still some Leia fans considering I saw some people want to know more about Leia's condition and update since she's been on a hiatus. Put that into a portion of Luminas and maybe that might be a small percentage, but there's still interest. I do feel like she should leave though but I can't tell whether they're throwing her into a dungeon to make her commit through her whole contract term to "ruin her career" or whether they do have plans and are just waiting for ehr to get better.
@@cloudchungxiao I know there are Leia fans I've seen them even argued with them. That's why I said Majority of the fandom don't like her not all. Bc I know there's that small percentage of ppl who still like. And they really shouldn't. Me personally idgaf about her condition her health nothing. What she did is wrong and I will never ever forgive her. She ruined her own career not the other way around
@@Funsize3__Leia updated and said she left the group. So all her fans will disappear soon anyways
Are you sure? Did a quick search and nothings popping up regarding her leaving. But yea, she defs didn't help her image with that controversy.
Blackswan new line up of fire. They have got to keep this line up. I love the new attention and love they are getting with That Karma.
Yea, stick to this and we can start to see them rise for sure. Plus got their waterbomb performance saved so can't wait to watch that.
@@cloudchungxiao it was so good!!!
The fact Koreans actually love them but all issues are with international fans 😭
Omg, but can we actually talk about that though. Like amount of people against the whole idea of Blackswan tend to be international fans which lowkey also idk if this is also a correlation but everything within kpop lowkey kinda gotten more toxic with more international awareness of kpop too
@@cloudchungxiao yes exactly! I've seen Koreans loving them they love how sriya caught up on Korean language and culture as far as I've seen videos and twitter. But I've seen international fan time to time claiming oh they're not Korean and not 'pale skin' ............ Few in their trainee days even said they lacked in Korean and the fact all of those where not even korean 😭😭😭🤣
Yea, that's one thing I admire about Sriya, she feels real dedicated to the craft. which the others are too. However, you can just kinda feel it more with her considering how accelerated she has gotten to being able to communicate in Korean and all that. Defs sad that colorism is playing a huge factor as to why she may not be getting the reight attention, but with the whole HYBE and JYP trying to create global groups which still don't really know who the audience is for; hopefully this gives room for people to start putting respect on Blackswans name.
I think the thing that probably frustrates me the most is although things are looking up for them, their company is really lacking when it comes to promoting them properly. They made a few good moves with the two popular korean shows they were on but that's about it, they leave too much up to the fans and just the pure luck of fancams going viral ect. I'm happy they're getting bigger but management still needs to step up I think, they have great chemistry and are naturally entertaining and charismatic but the company also has to make a conscious effort to promote them. Even something as small as posting more on social media could do a lot for them. And also timing of comebacks, I understand they were busy this year and actually suspect there's big things we don't yet know of but a comeback that utilises the exposure they gained this year when it was at its peak could have done sooo much for them.
Yea, defs in a good direction now but I don't think we can get them to do everything amazingly. Fatou is out here going on so much more variety programs and helping getting the exposure of Blackswan with the group also doing some group activities too. Definition of booked and busy this year and so hopefully it all accumulates to a successful 2024 year with two comebacks atleast.
I hope they'll stick to the current members. They vibe so well together.
Yess, this is the right formula and it's the most cost effective formula too.
I love the new line up for black swan they definitely ate that comeback up and i love how they are getting a bit more attention then they did before even tho they are non Korean
Yea, honestly such a solid comeback which I hope more momentum is built upon.
Leia hasn’t been active since the scandal with Fatou & honestly Fatou seems happier with her members without her so I think it’s better Leia just leaves. I wish she could’ve been better as an idol & person but she clearly isn’t made for this & is quite irresponsible.
They did have some activities together but yea, not really in Korea as much. But yea, I wonder what tonight era Leia was like though? Was there some thing that kinda caused all of this or were people kinda letting slide because she was the Maknae and all that.
At first when I saw black swans first cover I didn’t find it very interesting. It seemed forced. But I decided to Stan because they are different from any Kpop group considering they a non Korean. But when they came out with Karma it seemed more their vibe and it made me feel and see their new potential.they’re interesting to me considering me being a black person and finding Kpop as an interest and a potential career. Fatou was the one who gave me motivation to ignore the discrimination around me.❤
Ohhh, you didn't like their debut?? Lowkey it was kinda refreshing for me hahaha. But yea, Karma was a real step up for sure and that's great to hear. You get to hear some of Fatou's solo work?
@@cloudchungxiao their debut was okay just not my favorite. Fatou is doing solo work? I haven’t seen
Ahh right, But yess, Fatou is doing solo work that really suits her. DEfs should give it a listen. Plus she has many collabs with her producer Leanon which are more relxing rnb vibes.
@@cloudchungxiao TY
You did good on your explanation and the change you mentioned to retain members is a must to put Blackswan 3 footstool as a Kpop group.
And yeah DR music should step up their game and I as Lumina following Blackswan since their debut hope that Blackswan members will not have messed up career in the Kpop🤦
I know the members really like K-pop and deserve a chance to be🖤❤️🦢
Yea, I was really entrigued during debut era and thought they could bring something new to kpop. It's been a bit messy but it seems like this comeback has been the most hopeful-ish that I've felt for them. Like surely they can build on this.
I ❤️ the current line up #karma & #catandmouse are total bops 🔥🔥🔥👍💕
Yea, I've grown to really like this line up. But yea, Karma really is that song though
Leia didn't care about the group but herself but the new lineup is so good and they are gonna be big
Yea, I do wonder what will happen to her. Seems like she's being thrown in the dungeon with no official confirmation she has left even though it sounds like she has unofficially left the group. But I wonder whether she's still bounded by a contract and so that's why it's been kinda hidden under the rug
fatou should write a book
I think former Rania member, Alex, wrote or is writing a book about her experience. Fatou seems like she has been integrating well with Korea considering she was there beforehand with her modeling career. But still will have stories for sure.
I don't know if with this lineup (which has had a fairly good welcome) they'll go to yearly hiatuses. That Karma was waaay more than I expected, not only as a song, but in the performances , especially the live ones. Maybe they'll add more members, I feel like that's the direction DR Music is going to take, but if the company has trainees that they want to add, they'll have to be at the same level that the members are.
I wanna say I'm hopeful for BlackSwan's future, and that future doesn't include Leia.
Yea, I mean it'll also depends on how financially Blackswan did with this promotion too. Like it's great they're getting more attention and all that but if they can't financially recuperate the increased promotions and all that, then it'll kinda be hard for them to throw comebacks there way too. Really hope they don't add more trainees though because surely they've learnt from Rania and how bad of an idea that was.
Sometimes I have to remind myself that I don't hate BalckSwan. The members are talented, and Close to Me and Karma are total bops. However, I do hate DR music and their complete mismanagement of the group. I honestly don't feel like supporting the group because I truly believe that the next comeback will have yet another line up change, and after being burned on RaNia, I'm just over DR Music's bullshit.
dr has been saying for months that theyll add another korean member, line up changes arent as bad as yall make them seem
Yea, the whole company reputation and all that is such a slippery slop for me. Like there really isn't a perfect company and so idk at what point do I completely say yea nah to all the succeeding groups.
As for line up changes, its more the fact that you dont get stability in supporting the group. Like I would want to see my biases get swapped out for someone else.
@@ajahneely3876 Lineup changes aren't bad when the group is somewhat stable. Black Swan has had three comebacks with three different lineups, and DR Music's track record is shit. Lineup changes broke RaNia, and I'm not confident that DR music won't break Black Swan.
Yea, if we kinda look out how DR Music handles line up changes through Rania, it was a whole mess. It might be alright if they did it well but based on how the recent Blackswan members have left, not sure if we can be certain that much has changed.
Idea for you there is the 6 member curse, but what about the number in your name curse. 9muses, fromis_9, gugudan all 9 members all losing members from 1 randomly, 1 during contract resigning and whatever 9muses did😅
Honestly. Just the 9 member curse. DIA, Momoland, snsd, 9muses, fromis 9, gugudan. Only twice has survived the curse and even they had to perform multiple times with a member missing.
Ohhh yea, I've heard the 6 member curse but that 9 member thing is pretty interesting. Not sure what direction that would kinda go but I'll definitely add that to the list though. Thanks :)
@@viki7268 also jeongyeon was going to leave but the members convinced her to stay. Thank god because she’s my bias and twice is an amazing group with all 9. Snsd was my ultimate girl group until mamamoo came into my life.
Jeongyeon was going to leave? Was this during sixteen? during contract renewals? or some other time?
I came across Blackswan today, never heard of them prior to that. And I'm actually glad I didn't know anything about the group til I searched them up. Honestly, the current members are a unique and talented bunch! I'm excited to see their future work 💛 this group has a lot of potential imo. I had no idea kpop were taking on non-korean idols but I am soooooo here for it!! 💯
Side note: I really think they need to hire better stylists and HMUA's that specialise in styling non-koreans. I get that kpop has a specific "look", but copy pasting those looks on these girls who are beautiful and diverse, doesn't do them justice! There's so many innovative hairstyles to try out with black hair for example, if they hired the right hairstylists to execute it. I hate that Fatou has to constantly wear weaves/wigs and hide her natural hair. This group has way too much potential, I hope DR music invests more into them!
Nuh-uh, now's good. I used to cringe from watching how Fatou was styled but now I think she is giving
I think they're getting getting better stylists now. I mean speak for Fatou's hair but I've been seeing DR allow Nvee to do more natural hair looks. Idk how much were natural compared to weaves and wigs but there were for sure stages where she went natural. But yea, this comeback has seen way mroe investment with a second music video for their b-sides and soon to be promotional stages for it too
Blackswan is doing great!! I will always be supporting them❤❤❤❤ I really hope this lineup is consistent🙏
Yea, really could be okay with this line up. Need a bit more consistency and no more change ups
I am new to Blackswan, having discovered them only now with the current lineup
I am actually new to kpop overal, I did know a couple of songs here and there, but blackswan is the group that made me search more about what kpop is, and i am starting to try other groups songs
I love blackswan, and wish them a lot of success...
Yess, it's crazy what one era can do to almost revitalise people's hope for Blackswan. They really did a 180
I was the 1k like!!!
Also current lineup is the best
Yea, loving that we're getting so much more from this line up. I recently watched their appearance on My neighbor, Charles and seems like they're gonna be releasing english version of their recent single album. Not sure whether they might even re-record the other songs too but can't wait to hear it. Plus if they accompany that with another comeback that would be even better.
I like them a lot right now.
They're really killing it atm
Fatou works with leanon who is a separate producer so it’s not really Dr! Yes the group will produce more music
Leanon is under DR Music too so they get the final say in releasing his music. I do kinda get that Leanon basically makes his own music but they should then get their own Leanon for Blackswan's music
BS might end up getting east asian members, it'll be benificial for the group and DR should for the first time do the job properly of promoting and protecting the group.
I've been seeing more posts and noise praising Blackswan despite being no Korean members. But I do wonder whether how much it will legitmise them even more if they had (A) a korean member or (B) an east asian member like if there was a difference.
koreans aren’t sitting here asking for east asians so why are you unless u have a fetish?
I think there is still a slight stigma with foreign members from a very nationalistic country so that already reduces the popularity of foreign members. Considering that it is their demographic that they're targeting too then it doesn't help and so the whole idea of east asia is more of the concept of masking their identity through similarities formed throughout history.
Anyways tune in for Blackswan at waterbomb and their tour later this year 🥳
Omg, I'm excited. Hopefully they can attract more people with their performance. It's great to see their new opportunities. But did you say tour??? Is this a solo tour for Blackswan?
@@cloudchungxiao they’re planning a six-country tour going to Japan, Thailand, Singapore, Malaysia, Vietnam, and Cambodia!
Omg, hopefully that comes into fruitiion and there's no major obstacle. But yea, interesting country choices though and I wonder whether this was made with intention?
@@cloudchungxiao Blackswan garnered attention and love from other asian countries particularly japan and china. It def seems intentional.
Ohh damm, maybe I gotta be more of a lumina because I don't get much info about them and this type of stuff
After hearing about the whole Rania situation before it makes it seem even more messy with lineup changes and… I kinda miss Hyeme 😢. But I will support BLACKSWAN.
Yea, I miss Youngheun and Judy. They were such great additions and reallly could have done more for Blackswan. It just really felt like DR Music didn't want to promote them that much and relied on the foreigners to kinda keep the relevancy of the group alive. But yes, they're music is still great and hopefully we get to hear more sooner than their standard wait times
I saw when they preformed at Inkigayp they did AMAZING!
Omg yea, I've been hearing a bit more live singing from them and all of them too. Not just Fatou which has been even better. Can't wait for this energy when they tour too.
I liked their music when I found “Close to Me” … but then when the Leia controversy happened I was so sad, since the group is so small. I thought its reputation would go under from that. Now that the new members have actually debuted too, with this comeback I actually feel hopefully Blackswan can do it. I’ve been reading a lot of love and support from Koreans across all the Blackswan recent videos and I’m super happy. I can’t wait for their water bomb performance
Omg yea, bullying, if that's what people called it, is such a heavy topic in Korea that I for sure thought that was it and Blackswan would not be able to recover. Luckily that doesn't seem like it and now they're slowly growing and reaching new peaks which is great to see.
I agree with much of this video but I do have issues with the foreign members remark as one of the "problems"
The whole situation seemed rushed I agree, but with the members being foreign or Korean shouldn't be a problem they just needed time to grow and they have. "labeling Foreign Members and as one of the issues is shady and I am assuming he truly meant no shade. AND The term "Authentic Korean Pop" is quite an oxymoron as Kpop is not authentically Korean but very heavily influenced from western pop and Black urban culture like Jpop is more western Rock.
The world is seeing music as universal and everyone has the right to not only enjoy but also partake, especially if its taken from your true culture, connecting with it would practically be in your DNA. How can it be called foreign when the rhythm and base is what "foreigners" grew up with and their parents listened to.
The system that needs to change is thinking that the effort of learning a new language (Korean) is a huge deal when there are English lyrics in Kpop songs and even some Kpop songs are done mostly in English with Sprinkles of Korean. I remember there was a time when many song were produced with really bad English yet English speaking fans gave love none the less. Selena was one of Latin America's biggest stars, but she only learned Spanish long after her popularity grew.
We don't know the full reasons for the last two Korean members graduating but looking closely at the present BlackSwan "Be Unique" ..... this is exactly what this cookie cutter industry needs. Allow all Kpop artists to show their true talents without feeling they have to look like they were Xeroxed and spat out of a factory. Everyone is feeling the chemistry with this lineup and they are loving it.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽Thankyou for saying this ❤
I think there is for sure a slight negative perception and apprehesion to foreign members within Kpop. It's way more worse if you can't completely camoflauge to appear Korean and so that's kinda what I mean in which there is a bit more work that is required. I feel like this should have been done within the training before debut but debuting them relatively quickly to get them to have this experience is also a viable option too.
As for Authentic Kpop, I do understand how it's been influenced by many things and so it's not really an original concept, however, this is not the same perception seen within the industry, I mean we see so much cultural insensitivity happening within Kpop and there's almost this idea that they've formed their own niche which is why they're confident in determine what authentic kpop may be. The language seems to be a factor of consideration for authentic kpop as obviously kpop was intended to target Korean listeners which would have required them to understand what they were listening too. Overtime, it has evolved to the incorporation of english too. However, Korea is still relatively homogenous with it's way of thinking and experiencing things that limit their ability to perceive things in such an open-minded way to forgo a wide range of factors
I think we need an updated version after Roll Up’s release, im super duper intrested to see what your thoughts are for the future, or would it be similar to this video?
Me. Is...
1. Wishing that BLACKSWAN will have some changes.
2. Wishing thair company will fix the situation.
That'd all thank you!! 😘
Not really sure what you're referring to
I’ve been following blackswan since the og lineup back in 2020 but I honestly like the current lineup the title track quality has really improved but I recently heard that DR has some japanese trainees they might add to the lineup which I think is really gonna mess it up
Damm, I'm hearing a lot of trainees that DR music have which would be kinda unfortunate for them to just try pull that whole Rania mess onto Blackswan
Black Swan is not like rania or bprania, they had member changes because mismanagement but black Swan actually has a graduation and rotation concept. A former trainer confirmed this too
And that is a huge turn off
Ohhh right. Not sure how you feel about this but seems like maybe you don't mind their concept? If so, why is that because I think a majority of people don't necessarily like this concept but either you've accepted it or actually might like it?
I think blackswan is doing fine nw nd Dr is trying their best to promote these girls nd I don't think so they lack in skills they have so much potential..they jst need experience nd a little improvements other than that past is in past u can't change so let's not focus on that focus on future nd support blackswan.
Yea, I mean skill wise in terms of performance, they've been improving a whole lot more which is amazing. There is always a bit more that they can do and just in their off time, hopefully they can kinda get onto a more confident-ish level both speaking and even seeming more polished. But yea, hopefully with the slightly improved promotion, we start to see better for the future of blackswan.
I don't know how well they're going to do. They are doing extensive promotions, they appeared on so many music shows, I'm surprised how they're able to get so many spots on music shows without much popularity. Despite all this their views on their music video hasn''t increased much.
Their views are organic and you can tell from the like to view ratio. A lot of Kpop groups just stream their groups mv to brag about popularity while having 100k likes but Blackswan are actually really knows esp in China and Japan
@@momofilm147 but even without the ad views many of those kpop groups still get higher views then Blackswan and those groups also have many fans as compared to Blackswan
@@Yoest.1 Blackswan is still relatively new with new members. Even on music shows, they always garner some of the highest views..either no one or top three. A lot of people know them, a lot are scared to Stan because they’re afraid a member will leave
@@momofilm147 ah okay but Blackswan aren’t that new they’ve been around for a while which is why I say that their popularity hasn’t really made a massive change but I think what throws a lot of people off when it comes to the group is that so much is always going on, it’s either members are leaving then coming back again then they add new people and on top of that they have poor management, it’s just a lot going on
Actually, they’re way more popular since this comeback. It really boosted everything
Fatou confirmed that the current lineup will be the final lineup. I'm happy because as much as I miss Judy and Youngheun, this lineup just goes together well. I'm not sad that Blackswan is permanently Fatou, Nvee, Gabi, and Sriya.
Yea, this whole era has really rebuilt up blackswan for me with the amount that they've been doing equating to more than they've done in their first two years.
@cloudchungxiao Your so right! Post Karma Blackswan feels so much different than Pre Karma Blackswan. Even production quality is not the same(thank god). It really feels like Karma is the debut of this brand new group to me. Karma Era had definitely rebuilt BS because it was ready to drop them after the Leia fiasco, but I held out hope, and I'm glad I did.
Omg yea, idk if I would have even made this video tbh. This whole era gives so much reassurance. Promoting at festivals, a bside, English version to releases, more appearances just in general. There is just so much hope for their future
You should do an update video for them!
Omg yea, lowkey I do want to but a lot of my videos could require updating tbh.
I heard Blackswan will do a comeback next year I really think that January is the best time to the group to do a comeback
Ohh yea, 2023 really has been a great year for Blackswan. Hoping for them to build their momentum for 2024.
To me this is kind of a good era for them. The members and performances are great and the members seem like they like each other. But I do miss the other Korean members because I have been watching the group since debut and I know they were close too. I think the new members are great additions, especially Syria because she is EATING UP the live stages. I don't think they need Leia and I think the fans don't like her, so it would be awkward to add her back. If they add new members, I think it will be bad for the group, since most people enjoy this line up the most. I will support if the company isn't being absolute trash to them, but I think many people will leave the fandom if the lineup changes again.
I am forever mad at them taking the FIRE RAP Fatou had out of the streaming version of Close to Me. I'm happy Fatou is getting her own solo music that is so different from the group's music because it means they are letting her fully work on her own music. Fatou is the most popular and probably most known and liked because she has been there the longest, and she is just relatable (and gorgeous and good at Korean), so I'm not surprised the company wants to push her because she is the face of the group at this point. If Fatou left the group, it would probably sink, unless they added a really surprising member to the group to get people's attention.
This has defs been a good era because they seem to have more promotions, no big controversy has happened for them and they're getting more positive reception from the korean demographic which I feel like is a large demographic that they're trying to capture. Just really hoping that it translates into financial returns to give DR the clear sign to give them more comebacks. The whole member changes would be a terrible idea for sure but I just realised while replying to another comment; they have a graduation system which kinda gives the vibes that they might have constant line up changes to replace the graduated members.
OMG, you're the first comment to mention this which absolutely makes no sense. Fatou's rapping was so much of a stand out during close to me that I don't get why they didn't include it. They whole instrumental kinda ruins the songs and makes it too empty which is why I'm hesitant to even stream the song. I'd rather stream it on youtube where I can jam to the second rap. Also glad, she's getting the opportunity to release her own music too. I wonder what her opportunities would be like post-DR Music though. Hopefully she kinda has many and doesn't feel confined to staying with DR Music just because they might be the only ones to support her.
@@cloudchungxiao DR Music probably uses the graduation system as a cover up so they can just switch the line up whenever they need to, which worries me for the group as well, it's really not a good system and just has never worked out, I think it's the only way they know how to say "we wanted to change the group again so we pushed out more members."
Removing that rap was the most confusing choice, like you said, her rapping was a highlight of the song🥲 justice for that rap immediately. If I were Fatou, I would also be hesitant to leave DR Music for fear of lack of opportunity. BUT I am hopeful that if she releases enough solo music, some companies will see that she is hardworking and passionate about making her own music, and she has her own image. But you never know I guess, she might feel comfortable in the company because they are kind of relying on her to be the glue of the group. I hope they are getting money this comeback, or at least signs of more money possibilities. They should give this line up at least 2 more comebacks, for my sake 😅
Honestly had the same though about the whole graduation system.
But yea, apparently the CEO changed and so management is a bit different in a good way which I guess you could tell a bit by how the promotions have been going. Maybe there is good things coming which also read from the comments that a comeback, a tour and atleast one festival performance too. So really making moves.
DR Music is a mess. like... blackswans music is really good but but they are still a group by dr music. i don't want to be a fan, 'cause they could randomly leave anytime. or get kicked out. or just go home and dr music doesn't notice (that really happened with one of ranias members). oh i hate it... i think their current lineup is pretty good but... once i blink, they'll change the lineup 3 times... i really hope they will stay in the group. i really hoped, the messy lineup changes would have stopped, when they finally let rania go but here we are... at least one member made it through 3 music releases...
Hahaha, that last sentence is lowkey sadly funny. Didn't follow Rania that much but did anyone beat Fatou's achievement of ebing on three title tracks?
okay firstly let’s get rid of the graduation system and leia doesn’t deserve to graduate her ass needs to LEAVE. as for the current lineup i think they should stay like this and don’t add a 5th member. they have been seeing a lot of praise since karma’s promotions so hopefully this shows their company that they can get a comeback sooner than a year.
Hahaha okay that's pretty funny though, but to respectfully end Leia's contract, I think she gotta graduate. Even with Chuu's departure, industry experts were talking about how companies will always try to end peacefully no matter how bad it has gotten so neither sides gets hurt reputation wise and it allows both to move on.
their 4 line member now feel good
It really is pretty decent and hopefully we get more from them before any changes happen because it really sounds like there might be some additions in the future. Not sure about graduations though
With X:IN, Blackswan has a serious rival that competes for fans and investment. X:IN has a caucasian girl and an Indian girl who seem to have the visual that Koreans like more. Unlike Blackswan, X:IN does not have black girl, which means it receives much less hateful reception.
I do see what you mean. X:IN has had an easier journey for getting Korean attention because there foreigners have the beauty standard of Korean compared to Blackswan. However, X:IN is still pretty early on into their career so we'll jsut have to see about that. Plus, with the recent departure of a member just only into their debut era, we'll see how they can navigate through that too.
stream cat and mouse by blackswan guys
Ngl, haven't really listened to that. Their b-sides have always been alright but nothing amazing so I think I lowkey intentionally just put all my attention on Karma. Might have to actually give it a listen
@@cloudchungxiaonow give it a listen its getting crazy response
This video steps on its own toes in so many different parts but I’ll just say this their training period may not have been as long as others but they are severely outdoing their peers that have trained for much longer. Also until kpop embraces and learns from the different cultures it borrows from ON A REGULAR BASIS I don’t think any international idol should HAVE TO learn Korean
When you say outdoing their peers, are you refering to peers on the similar debut times or just in general?
As for learning the language, I mean they are in the KPop system and Korean environment, so it's kinda a necessity for them to learn the language. If they don't, well its real limited opportunities to promote and then who will they speak with because not all companies with have interpretors readily available to be by their side to do everything together. Plus the Korean demographic which would be the target audience would not embrace the idol at all if they're not showing any effort considering you can perform music anywhere so why come to Korea to become a kpop idol only to not learn Korean.
@@cloudchungxiaoyou asking that makes me feel like you haven’t paid attention to any of the new girls pre debit activities they spent a considerable amount of time immersing themselves in the culture and while I think learning the language will help you didn’t adress my point which is, for an industry that heavily borrows form other cultures w little to no props or recognition why do foreign idols competing in the market need to do something their peers don’t and probably won’t ever do? As far as their peers No idol raps like Fatou Few idols can dance like Sriya and even fewer idols can sing like Nvee that’s what I mean. Gabi for example may not be the best in those categories but her training period clearly paid off tremendously bc look at where she started vs where she is now. Lumina that have actually been keeping up wthe girls wouldn’t have even questioned some of the points made in this video
@@oddpanda2956TELL EM!!!
I mean doing things for the camera doesn't necessarily equate to actually being completely immersed in the most effective ways.
As for your point, I mean they don't have to necessarily learn the language for sure, but it does hinder their abilities to target that same market that they're promoting in. I do know that Kpop has been heavily influenced by the outside markets and was not solely created from Korean culture, but that's not how the market or the industry will think and let Blackswan pass just like that. I mean if Fatou, Sriya and Nvee have the skill levels that you perceive, it surely should transcend and allow the group to thrive even better but it hasn't really. Not saying they can't get there but it'll still take time if they wanna go through an unconvential way because they would be creating their own mould that doesn't have a complete certainty of creating success for them
its been years of hoping for dr music to be a little "decent" company, im tired of it i wish them the best anyways, idk why fatou stayed maybe bc they offer her a solo career aside the group so im happy 4 her.
leah will never come back, once a member from rania goes to hiatus, that means she will never comeback to the group.
that karma is doing really well, more that i expected, and they will be on a well known festival soon, so this era feels really good to them. seems like the management has improved but idk lets see what happens
Yea, that's what I'm hoping is not the reason. But I could see Fatou staying with DR because she would have a really uncertain future if she were to try another company.
Management's changed. I read that the CEO is new and doing more work to get Blackswan promoted which can defs noticable considering what they've been up to.
but, imo, i think they would be good if they're recognized as a pop group singer than a K-pop group, it's just... K-pop nowadays almost lost its "K", i mean, what happened to "K" in K-pop(?).
What does the K in Kpop mean to you because it definitely means differently to different people
@@cloudchungxiao it’s Korean in K-pop to me, but, i don’t force this opinion to people, so i appreciate your concern, ❤️.
Ahh okay, cool cool. Korean as in the person has to be korean im assuming? because Blackswan sings in Korean. But yea, there's a few people in the comments that think like you which I defs can see for sure. But yea, I feel like they're one of the outliers of non-korean membered groups who actually have put in the work. There first two comebacks though, did you consider them kpop since they had majority korean members during the debut era and then 50/50 during the first comeback?
@@cloudchungxiao yes, and it doesn't mean that i didn't accept the new members, so, if you're triggered by my comment, that's okay, i don't force my opinion on anyone, once again!, so i appreciate your replies, have a nice dayy!
Nah thats alg. Just wanted to make sure I was understanding what you were saying. How did you feel about the group before this current comeback though? Because they did have korean members, but obviously they left in different circumstances. Would you call them kpop when they debuted or when they had their first comeback?
If it is true then I m very consion about the sriya lanka career in kpop and I love her so much and hope that if the current line up will change and she wouldn't be there, so it's would not be the end of her dream. She will find the batter and bigger company to her self
Yea, of the recent members of Blackswan, Sriya is a defs stand out for her commitment and dedication. Hopefully, she can experience a better side of the kpop industry and that DR doesn't do anything to sabotage it.
Fatou writes/composes her own things, that's why the company let's her do her thing. There's also the language situation, because of the changes the new members were still learning korean. It was never a situation in which the company decided to put Fatou over the group, it was just a pretty obvious set of circumstances that affected the group. And even now with Karma korean are still saying their pronunciation is bad overall. You lost me a bit when you complained about that because anyone with 2 working brain cells can understand what happened and why. But other than that it was a decent video. I honestly don't see Blackswan around for much longer, maybe one or two comebacks. Without a korean member, they are doomed in Korea and the international fans are mostly latin-american kids with no real money to spend on them unless they pull a KARD-like move and start touring in latin america, other than that it'll be a lot of "go queens" and that's it.
Nah i get the fact that she wrote and composed her songs, but DR Music have the final decision to releasing all this music. So I thought even if it was not a mini album maybe releasing two single album each year would be nice for Blackswan to accumulate a discography since DR Music seems to only properly promote them in like the korean demographic whereas Fatou's solo was more underground and niche'd for the blackswan fans.
The whole language thing was more in relation to not debuting early because of all these struggles that they can face. First with obviously korean reaction since that is the primary demographic that they are targeting. Second with the promotions which become limited because will they just solely rely on Fatou to speak about everything. Then third, just communicating with the environment in general. Like Korea is where they're at and so their surrounding will be a lot of Korean language and so being able to navigate when it comes to the behind the scenes thing too. Like obviously I know their circumstances have led to them not being able to speak korean as well but this is more DR who should have waited a bit to actually let them debut if their Korean wasn't at a passable level to interact with others.
This comeback has been getting a lot more appreciation. It's the use of Korean that's getting them more legitness but we'll just have to see whether that's enough to get them attention and how much
This line-up could be group and Blackswan could live on, they will always have Rania as a shadow but only if the company can actuall promote/manage the group.
Things have been looking so amazing ever since I've posted this video. They're currently in the US doing a tour
@@cloudchungxiaoI agree, I'm certain their next comeback is going to determine their place in the industry
Idk if it'll determine their place; but I feel like with everything that's happening, if we don't see a boost of more than Karma era, then it's not looking the best. I feel like they'll still continue to grow with the way they're promoting atm.
inthink this video was before cat & mouse and all they did to promote?
ot's strange to sya that but it seems that they almost do everything by themselves more than the compagny, Fatou haad again a new album (and she seems to write and compose it and thennasked for mv) but yeah it would be gret that the compagby do more
they seem to have more opportunities, more shows and even got to Korea Fashion thing
the lineup seems strong and they seem to help each other to handle it, I kinda admire them
and even if the management is not good, it seems to have other pepole (choregraphers, mv producer, thev"litttle manager" etc etc) that are professional and really make them be on spot
Hahaha yea, this was in June 2023 so things have definitely changed for the better. Just waiting for hopefully another comeback soon now.
Are you from Australia?
Nah, I'm from NZ though
@@cloudchungxiao NZ 😁what a small world my island nation in the Pacific too on the top of NZ....am really trying to promote Blackswan here in the Pacific Islands but it is very tough regarding the Pacific Island music from different islands and in Pacific Island people in NZ
Yea, Blackswan isn't really that well known here as much. That's why I wasn't sure how well they would kinda be known when making this video
They will have another comeback this year and then they will go in a mini asia tour
I heard about the asia tour recently which is amazing but another comeback too?? Damm, we really getting fed. Hopefully, they;ve got a lot of this planned out and it's not empty promises from DR
omg yes please❤❤❤❤❤
I just wish Judy could come back.
Judy for sure but also Youngheun too. I really liked them and it's so unfortunate they didn't get that recognition
I miss the first lineup
Damm, I honestly wonder how things would have panned out if we had the original line up still like concept wise, promotion wise and comeback wise
Sometimes I wonder if Alex would’ve stayed with DR Music if she had known another black woman would be coming into the lineup. I always imagined their interactions would’ve been so cute and funny. It’s a shame they never met & that Alex didn’t get to properly shine said from being a token the way we see Fatou fully utilized in the group.
Yea, blackswan and rania utilised there foreign members in such a different way that idk exactly what they would have done with another foreign member within Rania.
Supporting them is okay, but not the company. They won’t get paid any cent.
My bias would be Judy > Gabi > Alena > Leia > Fatou. Not having any Koreans was intentional to standout, and it did work, for now.
Ohh, how do you support them without supporting the company? Technically their associated with the company in most ways so it all redirects back to them right? Lowkey how I feel about MNH atm but 8Turn's debut kinda slaps.
Did u know the brazilian solist francinne?
Nah, but looked into her just a bit now and that's real interesting. I wonder what her interest was to transition to the kpop market.
Loominas say this TH-camr got paid by rivals. 🍵
this youtuber as in me??? Firstly who's the rival? Does Blackswan have a rival group or is that like another way of saying anti? But then also where are the Luminas talking about me if this is about me? This video lowkey popping off and so someone must have surely spread this to some group or community.
Why tf are you lying?? We said nothing
@@cloudchungxiaoIgnore them, they are mostly likely an anti. We said nothing
Hahaha thanks
I really don’t see the problem with the ex members leaving at some point they are gonna leave anyways and y’all are not acting like this when other members from other groups are leaving but y’all keep on highlighting blackswan
It's more about the consistency of having the same members. Like how can do you feel certainty with a group when members might come and go. Typically for other groups, it's like one or two members that leave while the group remains the same. With blackswan, we've seen the whole debut line leave both officially and unofficially besides Fatou. Luckily I think Fatou confirmed this line up is permanent now and there wont be anymore changes but yea, that was one of the issues while they were starting off considering each comeback has never had the same line up with some kinda adjustment.
4:06 the unexpected loona cameo??
Hahaha didn't even notice myself
Blackswan debut in 2011 as Rania before they rebranding in 2020
I'm not sure whether I would consider Rania and Blackswan the same group despite going through very similar things. Idk, they just feel more like separate entities
men always in women’s business like shut uppp
Are you referring to DR Music or Me?
Are you ok?? They were not hating on the group though😂
@@cloudchungxiaoThey are referring to you. Idk what their problem is
Get new music and I would have them if the lineup sticks re record rania's stuff too :)
Idk about the re-recording Rania. I would want them to ditch any association with Rania and that era of DR Music. This looks like a complete rebrand in the right direction and so hopefully they continue to promote them well with original music
@@cloudchungxiao true i do like the new ep hope they keep with this dance pop as it does work 😀
I hope its not a cube clc type of thing
In what way?
I don’t think there very popular because there foreign. I’m not being racist or nothing but it’s just not giving Korean Kpop vibes that much,even tho there songs are Koreans with some English in it. I understand there are other foreign people in kpop like Chinese or Japanese Thai and stuff like that but it’s still Asian u know. They are like really foreign like they are not Asian at all. It feels more like American people singing in Korean. It just doesn’t feel Kpop Korean u know? I understand there trying to make it different with not always Koreans like Japanese and stuff but they just don’t really look right in Kpop. Like I want Kpop to stay Asian because that is what they represent. They would of been better in a non Korean band. I feel they would be more popular. It’s just out of place for me.
Yea, I kinda get what you mean but with the globalisation of kpop, kpop is going different places. I wonder what you think about english releases? Sounds like you think "american people" shouldn't be apart of Kpop which; an aspect of that is english. That means it must feel wrong when groups release anything in english because that's not Korean or Asian enough? Plus that might lowkey even mean no global promotions beyond Korea or Asia because wouldn't that be too foreign? Like they just would be out of place like you said if foreigners were to join kpop; surely same would apply if it were reveresed.
Sriya is technically Asian but because of colorism, people don't qualify her as Asian. What is acceptable is generally east Asians that are light skinned because that's the beauty standard which is a prevalent thing within Korea. Kinda curious to see whether that's kinda your reasoning to the certain asian members that you are okay with?
I feel like this comeback might not encapsulate the whole Kpop aesthetic because they've used a lot of Indian elements too considering the song, and MV was filmed in India.
it does give kpop vibes, idk what are you on
oh brother
If you studied music it would be obvious knowledge that Kpop isn't even authentic Korean its taken from western pop and urban black culture. So saying I'm not racist while saying they are not the right race to sing songs that foundation/basslines, rhythms, even attitude came from their own culture is racist and straight up unfair. Let an individual's talent speak for itself and be celebrated, where ever they want once they are not offensive. How many Kpop song blatantly refer to black artists as inspiration??? Beyonce in Queencard for reference. Kpop isn't going different places, It came from different places.
Leia just needs to go
I lowkey agree, but DR music surely has some plan in place
First time hearing about BlackSwan in June 2023 and I saw their live performance, it was ok😑. I feel they're going to end up like Kaachi or Exp Editon even Nct hollywood was cancelled if they don't have enough promotion
Oooo, idk about that one. I feel like there's more legitness with them but I guess that's how I see it. But also June 2023???? You mean this month?? Damm, hahaha. You gonna keep an eye on them or meh about it?
Blackswan is not even that popular. None of there music videos even reached 10 million videos.( I think) usually songs would reach like 200-500 million views or even more. Even when Kpop idols meet there fans to perform and stuff like that there are usually A LOT of people but for blackswan there was just like 400 people. Not hating. But it’s a bit upsetting
I mean yea blackswan is signed under a small company of course they’re not going to have 200 million views. They don’t have the same privilege as groups signed under the big 3
Yea, you're looking at completely different group comparisons. It's like comparing the work done by a senior compared an intern. Completely different factors that play apart as to why you can technically compare but it just wouldn't make sense.
Many Korean fans want Leia’s coming back. But it depends on Fatou. Because Fatou is the leader of BlackSwan now, her decision making is very very important. If she wants Leia, Leia can come back. It’s up to Leia’s attitude to leader Fatou.
I feel like leia has burnt a bridge and there will be a problem among the fans and atmosphere of the group if she comes back
Idk if it's necessarily up to Fatou but i see what you mean. I wonder what the ratio of people in support of a Leia return vs people side eying the fact that both are still in the same group
I don't think Koreans even know about her. It is literally Leia's solo stans that want her back in the group
@@ChickenTendersTrue. I don't see myself really supporting the group as much if she comes back. But I think she left
Yea, Blackswan received much more attention this come back from the Korean public so probably less likely to know about her as much. But it's always the small minority that tend to be the loudest most times, so it could potentially negatively impact them if they start to damage the reputation of Blackswan for Leia's sake
I was watching and supporting them at first because of Fatou but the constant changes in line up and controversy I just stopped . It was too much to get instead of music from them
It do be kinda messy but the music feels worth it. Honestly not sure what would happen if Fatou left for me.
They don’t have any issues you do
I mean there's better ways to articulate your thoughts than this. Your other comment made me understand your thought process more than this one hahaha
I don't see this group having any future in this very competitive industry, because the group, despite being from a Korean agency, practically has no Korean members anymore, "how can that be considered k-pop". dr music is trying to turn shreya into an aria, even though the aria phenomenon is something that happens every 1000 to 1000 years, as well as the resurrection of the brave girls after a decade, if the agency really wanted to take it all seriously in relation to the global market, they would have trained these girls in languages like Japanese and chinese, thinking of taking a slice of the Asian market in these two countries, they tried to make Rania debut in China and Japan but it didn't work, even more so singing in Korean , one of the reasons that doesn't make me think that they will never have lasting success is the fact that an idol is not made in months or 2 years, but in almost a decade of training, as any agency would prepare its future idol for many years. that's why dr music only wipes ice with each comeback, in my humble opinion.
Yea, I mean we'll really have to see. They've started off well with this new line up and so hopefully they can build momentum. They've even got a tour planned this coming year in Asia which is a good sign of growing popularity. Not sure about how well they will thrive in Korea without a korean member but they are getting praised for their predominant use of the korean language in their music so that's a start.
@@cloudchungxiao you are more than right, the least that these girls
could present is to have some command of the native language of Korea, of course the fact that she fatou does better in this language, because she has been living in South Korea longer than the other members, this really impresses a Korean who sees a foreigner know how to communicate in their language, I think that dr music has to focus 90% on the international market, such as India, the country of one of the members, Japan and mainly China, which is a big market, and even the agency should have already put into practice language classes such as Japanese and Chinese, in the past they tried to debut rania in china and Japan singing in korean, but it went wrong and it was all a big mistake, now it could redeem itself in relation to these flaws, the Escrow agency of x:in is doing a great job in china with the hype of the success of aria, dr music should follow this example, it only remains to wait for the next steps.
Can a white British guy rap and still be called a rapper? Can a Japanese DJ in patois and still be called a Reggae/Dancehall artist. Oh wait, do any Asian have the right to call themselves rappers and dance hip hop. Wait! ..... that is practically the entire Kpop industry. The injustice is ridiculous and stomach turning.
@@prhapsody5197 you said it right is a mixture of everything, k-pop was born absorbing elements of american and japanese culture, american pop and hip hop, rapper along with japanese pop music mainly kawaii style very popular in this country, the difference is that the Koreans turned all this into something of their own, the agencies' training method in terms of dancing, singing and discipline is what impresses, all future idols take years to form.
4:35 garam enters the chat
Feels bad
Stupid Video IMO.... considering how they're doing and how bad this video is trying to potray them because of their past.
Hahaha that's alright. I don't think I necessarily portray them in a bad light. I just kinda use their past as a reference to where they've come from and kinda take each issue as a point on how they could move forward explained in my final thoughts. But yea, that title really attention grabby and misleading for sure.
Girl. They aren't even hating on the group😂
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I see no problem with international fans being a fan of Korean pop and culture, but personally I do see a problem with Idol's that aren't Korean (yes even Asian one's) bc the fact that Korean pop isn't just Pop music in Korea, there's a lot of culture in Korea that is very important to Korean stans who at the beginning were the target audience, and for someone to see that and be like "yea I wanna be that too" it's kinda straining K-pop from being Korean pop, to just not be as how it originally stood for, and it's cool how artists start realising English versions of their song for their western audience, but with Japanese covers and now completely different races joining an industry ment for Korean ppl, it feels like K-pop isn't even K-pop anymore.
And? So are Korean artist trying to break into Hollywood or the american pop industry, nobody told them they can't.
There is Korean ground of pagode (very specify Brasilian music) nobody told them they couldn't reproduce it.
Kpop is a huge mix appreciation and also straight up appropriation of a lot of things that do not belong to their culture.
The industry of kpop becoming international was the best thing that could've happened to Korea, gave them a lot space, they intentionally tried to take the hallyu wave far and beyond , they saw a chance and took it,. This industry since long ago has not been just for Korean audiences, they could've kept if they wanted. It is only natural that people inspired by it would also feel like to participating in it. If it'll work for them, we don't know, but they do nothing wrong by simply participating like they once dreamed of they were tenager when kpop was being sold to them as something for them too.
Western aren't the ones changing kpop, is the korean industry itself trying to become even more global and mainstream. Those are all Korean people work behind.
I mean what is Kpop? That is kinda question I posed in one of my videos. Because is Kpop having korean lyrics? going through the entertainment industry? being korean? There isn't a clear definition for it and I think as long as they kinda can follow the culture of how kpop has been; i don't see anything that wrong with it.
You say that it's straining from Kpop if non-korean idols join but then wouldn't releasing english version make it not authentic as much anymore. Like that's catering to the western audience which why should they if the korean demographic is still the audience they target. Plus the second demographic that most groups will target is Japan clearly seen through most groups who release music in Japanese. That's been the standard which you think is wrong but also think english covers are alright?
Obviously kpop can't remain the same completely. Like 1st gen, 2nd gen, 3rd gen and even 4th have their own aspect and elements that they focus on which people could complain about and think they new generation is not doing it just for the predecessor. However, there is almost an evolution to it which the whole global awareness and popularity for kpop has sorta aided in this transition to what kpop could be. But yea, defs just thoughts though.
This is just giving kboo
This comment????😂😂😂😂
Eh i will never be a fan again after they suddenly changed members by kicking out judy and youngheun
Sad i was actually a fan and was considering buying they album then they flopped
Yea, that was unexpected and was so sad. I wonder what DR Music's contract are like for them to be able to leave kinda unexpectedly