watching this makes me sad for her all over again. She was such a STAR, she was on her way to being a top idol that everyone loved and she loved everyone. She’s still is my ultimate bias of all time ♥️
Yea, she really helped bring so much attention to G-Idle. Very integral part of forming the foundations that it's sad to see she can't continue with the others.
@@cloudchungxiao hopefully years down the lie, idle will leave cube, start their own company and she comes back because honestly with all the subliminal messages of her in their songs, she never left ♥️
the thing that upsets me the most about this is how unprofessional shin ae went about this. i understand she may have felt wronged seeing her “bully” receive so much love but to make all these subliminal accusations when you know how intense the public can be with this kind of thing was so spiteful. it really didn’t have to be this way. and the fact that soojin came out with a CLEAR letter addressing everything and taking accountability for her own mistakes should’ve stopped the anger towards her in their tracks. when has an idol accused of bullying ever done something like that? you could see how genuine and transparent she was being in hopes that people would understand and how much she wanted to stay. this was her *dream* .just so sad
Yea, considering she was an actual victim to bullying, she really shouldn't have been so subliminal if she wasn't completely sure. Plus I get she has her own rights to choose how to go about it but atleast respond the Cube's attempt to speak. Like her and her comapny kept ignoring all this and it literally could have been handled behind close doors to completely clear all this but she continued on to be petty af.
Did that Shin Ae intentionally didnt mentioned Soojin's name directly so Soojin cant file lawsuit against her? ngl it was well played i really hope Soojin gets a second chance in the industry if she wants to be an idol again like Jimin of AOA
Yea, I mean that's true. Legally to be on the safe side, she probably avoided saying her name. But if she can think that far, she surely should have been adamant about her claims, but she really wasn't
Basically to sum it up shin ae is trash with lack of better disernment said false accusation to someone thats not her bully and basically destroyed her career without checking for clear evidence and facts b4 saying anything that she says could destroy someones life and tries to avoid it by indirectly saying it about this incident thus blowing it up but kept being like a ghost and being stfu mode to all these juz cuz
I was gonna say; the past few weeks I think i saw Soojin or SSA's name trend and I wasn't able to look into it properly but was there someting new or kinda trying to bring attention to what has been found
Yea, I mean Im reading some good theories which I gotta remind myself might not happen but hopefully she atleast starts up an IG whenever because I do wanna see where she's up to
Watching Nxde get so big and popular internationally really made me sad for her. It was completely unfair she wasn't there with them. And she's basically been blackballed from the industry now. I really doubt anyone would work with her. Can you imagine literally spending the vast majority of your life training for a career you finally get the career and then it's unfairly ripped away from you right before you reach the success you've spent your life training for?!! What can she even do with her life now? She has to choose a whole new career.
Yea; with G-Idles success post Soojin; its like a mixture of happy for them but sad that Soojin couldn't join these two concepts that would suit her so well and also does it also mean G-Idle would have thrived without her? But yea; unless there's proper doubt that can be inserted to all the people who made statements; she for the most part is likely to be blackballed
I feel like one of the things that sadly made her weak and all of this is her honesty. I've seen many responses from idols with the different accusations, Soojin was by far the only who actually elaborated the problem she had with the accuser. Soojin also admitted that she had done some mistakes and wasn't the best student, which gave haters a reason to hate but to me it was clear evidence that the accusations were false, like why would she admit such things that would set her up? And the firmness in her saying that she would leave the group if found guilty and even asking the actress to speak out was a clear behaviour of someone who knew they weren't guilty. And while people claim that the conversation between seo shinae and the Neverland was prolly false, tell me why SHE didn't come out and say that it was false? Her silence says it all. SSA knew damn well that it would ruin Soojin and when it was already done she shook it off and acted as if it wasn't her fault. And she knew what she was doing when refusing to use Soojin's name in her accusation. And if you take a look at every claim in this story, the only person that never changed their version was Soojin. Every single accuser had come back to say something different that didn't add up to their previous claim. Overall this is a really upsetting thing to me cuz I have a feeling we will see Seo Soojin as a star again. Gidle without her just isn't the same. Kpop without her isn't the same. I honestly had to take a break from kpop because of this huge injustice I could only witness and do nothing about.
Yea, that's the sucky part. She's been consistent and upfront about everything and yet its been used as a weapon to tear her down. It's so hard because it's another instance where you have to question these alleged victims which once again you just don't want to believe are making it up. BUT the math aint mathing and so you're just left either losing faith in people because we accumulating so much of these fake victims or we've been supporting someone who has been problematic but from what we know, it seems slightly more obvious which sounds a bit more legit.
@emm3814 Yea, considering how careful she was being subliminal about everything and also as a victim of actual bullying, I thought she would understand the power of words. So to do all that and not know if she really was part of the group is so wild.
@dramadamagedyoursoul I dont even know if its jealousy on Seo Shin Ae's part. They were in different areas of work and so they never really overlapped to warrant the need to compare of feel jealous.
@@cloudchungxiao if it was a jealousy thing, i don’t think it would be to do with work necessarily but more so just seeing someone who you felt may have “wronged you” somehow and seeing how much love they are getting.
Seo Shin Ae absolutely made my blood boil! Assuming she made a mistake and truly thought everything about Soojin was true, when she found out she was wrong about Soojin being in the group of bullies. she should have at least publicly clarified that and kept stuff to facts. I would believe Seo Shin Ae was a bully before I would believe Soojin was. I didn't care too much about Soojin because Yuqi was my bias and I loved Soyeon and Miyeon in K/DA, but when all this broke, so did my heart. Justice for Soojin!!! Thanks fo the video!
Yea, I do wonder what Seo Shin Ae is up to? Because I think admiting to that would almost be career suicide so Idk if she would even think about that. Plus, I really do wonder why that whole IG DM is not exploding like every other victim's account of what happened.
I still think Seo Shin-ae was just trying to capitalize off of the whole situation to get her name back out there. She hadn't been in anything since 2018, and knowing that she was not even that big of an actress (like, she was still a celebrity, but like B- or C-list), I think she probably was scared that the public was forgetting about her and getting into a high-visibility controversy would remind people that she existed. Just absolutely ridiculous.
The fact that these alleged victims have threatened to kill Soojin multiple times says it all to me. I think they were consumed by jealousy and envy of her success. Threatening her life is absolutely disgusting.
Ohh yea, you mean C's sister? Yea, I wonder what people think about that. Like if Soojin was a bully then can we justify bullying her back and threatening her life? Or nah, there shouldn't be a double standard to that.
Soojin's impact on the industry and the void she left just speak on how loved she was and still is ! I miss her so much... I've lost all certainty around a come back. She was put through so much and suffered because of misogyny and jealousy. At this point I just hope she's happy and healthy ! I still dream of her showing herself to the public again, or at least create an IG account (she could disable comments).
Honestly same, it's up to her but for me i lowkey selfishly want updates whether through IG or other socials. But yea, the comeback would garner a lot both good and bad.
samee! i really hope she makes some kind of social media i really miss her :( and i think she would be better of as a youtuber than back in the toxic industry :/
Yea, Idk how much trust she will have on the industry considering the circumstances of what has happened but she could literally be some kind of influencer because I think she still has that power.
I'm an OG Neverland (as in I started stanning during LATATA era), and I always sided with Soojin. The moment Victim C's sister spoke up, I could smell a smear-campaign because of (G)I-DLE's success. Aside from the fact why they're only speaking up the moment (G)I-DLE was killing the chart list, I am a victim of school bullying, and I thought some of their allegations like the theft were absolutely ridiculous. According to them it happened in front of the school gates... Where everyone could see. Even most idiotic teens will do something they know is a crime not in front of the entire school, and I had a kid in my year dealing drugs who I suspected was involved with drug cartels because I lived nearby a drug cartel's HQs and he knew all about a rivalling drug cartel and their beef with the one I lived close to in a way that implies inside knowledge and that he was involved with the rival gang. I was cyberbullied amongst things for making a comment about him and his friend group being trash as one of my classmates was involved and my entire class + their friend group seemed to defend their actions. Mind you, he and said classmate literally threatened the life of a kid in the year below us who caught them dealing but I suppose when you and your friend group are the most popular in school the threat on a first year's life isn't that important. They were stupid assholes, but they weren't that stupid to do it where a teacher could see. If the kid wasn't brave enough to snitch despite the threat on his life, they wouldn't have been caught. In that instance, I wished my school had acted a bit more like the Koreans because both were only suspended for a few days, not even a week. The fact she actually admitted to smoking, and had a different perspective of some things, to me was the proof of her innocence. Why would she say things that could risk her career (which she still had at the time), by admitting she used to smoke when idol culture is very much anti-smoking? Why would she admit to some things, and defend herself against the more ridiculous claims? That's the way someone who is speaking the truth and owns up to the mistakes they did make would act.
Yea, with everything that's come out, it feels strange that we still cant confidently say shes innocent in the sense of it is sufficient evidence in a legal sense. There's so much dismantling that can be done but society's given more power to victims because people just really cant believe people would stoop that low to make things up. Plus the added multiple victims that would come out, it would literally make zero sense for so much people to make things up and yet they did. I do lowkey wanna hear more from people against her though just to get there perspective because either its just difference of opinions in which their values lean towards inclined to believe all victims or they know something i don't
@@cloudchungxiao We can only speculate, but smear campaigns and hate bandwagons have became more prominent in fandom cultures. I feel like, in the case of Soojin, there might be some alumni including C and her sister, who were jealous of her success. Considering there was that statement about Soojin actually being the one who was bullied, I have this feeling they always saw her talent and were threatened by her outshining them so they tried taking her down a peg. Now they see that they failed, and they were enraged. It was one of the reasons why I was bullied too, I'm pretty much considered an artistic genius and I'm in the process of going through the details and plans to open my own Etsy shop once I'm done with the illustrations of my first finished manuscript. Some of my bullies were genuinely envious of my talent and would mock me for any drawing I did screw up even though I was already doing art commisions for free because my butterfly tattoo designs were popular amongst my female classmates (I was like 13 when I started doing various commisions, but I actually did my first when I was 11). It's what happens when people know you have it in you to make it big, you'll find people who resent you for absolutely no reason other then envy. In Soojin's case, they probably thought that because of the fact she did smoke, and became an idol known for her sex appeal and often would show her tattoos, that it would be easy to defame her and paint her in a bad light because she already had a 'not too innocent' image Worst of all, they were right.
@@inferiorinferno8859 - If you see some of the things the alumni would say, can't remember the quotes exactly word for word, but in a nutshell, they said that they were even ashamed to tell people that they attended WAW middle school, as it was a breeding grounds for rumor mills. Even through all of that, no alumni ever said that Soojin had a bad reputation tho. Only the accusers said that. I haven't seen any alumni who spoke ill of Soojin. I do remember some of the alumni saying that C's sister was never an outcast, that she was a quiet kid, but no one thought of her as an outcast. And that was the picture that C was trying to paint, that Soojin got everyone (a group phone call spread down through the whole school) to think of C's sister as an outcast. No alumni ever said so. It's a shame that after Soojin stepped down from the group, that's when the public opinion for her started to sway in her favor. And that's where we are now. I-fans don't know enough about the case, they assume Koreans still hate Soojin when things have really calmed down, and just when you think things are okay, newscasts talk about "The Glory" and start re-naming Soojin and others and keep them in a bad light. But if the members keep mentioning her, they must know something that we fans don't. And I'm hoping so. I have a motto, it's "Always trust Soyeon". We'll see where all of this takes us, but I have a feeling that the final pieces of this have not arrived yet.
Inferior Inferno Yea, totally get what you're saying and sorry that you had to go through that. Defs for C's side, they really added on the msot random claims that were less harmful and more on the ruing Soojin's image. The whole being threatened by talent is pretty common and so I could see that as a plausible consideration since it took three years of activities before they even said anything.
I find it interesting that the idols accused of bullying are pretty much always considered to be the visuals of their group. I also find it interesting that the girls that have been accused have all been kicked out of their groups while the males have not.
Yea, there was some talks about double standard because they compared it with Hyunjin of Stray Kids was in embroiled in a similar controversy. Haven't looked into his case so I can't really make a proper comment but that also kinda plays a factor on the punishments idols may receive
Yea, either false, partial truth or unresolved. Rarely a fully confirmed bullying scandal. It's like so weird because they walk away free while the idols have to almost suffer a negative image which image is a big thing in Korea.
I kind of heard what happened to Soojin back then, but I wasn’t a fan of Idle until recently. With the amount of false accusations that came out in Kpop industry in 2021, I think I can safely say Soojin case is still one of the most talked about. Looking back having the benefit of hindsight, rather than having the mentality to support and believe the victim, we as human being, have the responsibility to critically assess the situation before believing either side. What happened to her was really unfortunate. She had her whole career in front of her, her group was doing so well and she seemed genuinely loved being on stage and performing with the girls. To think we live in a society that let a girl’s lifelong dream and hard-work crushed because of unproven claims and accusations…it is such a shame.
Omg yea, I literally still can't believe the wave of bullying accusations. Like it was literally many new idol bullying cases a day and then some of them were getting disproved so quick and for what?? Literally such weird people to decide to make up rumors like these
@@cloudchungxiao yes I also didn’t expect the length people go for…revenge? Quick fame? I can understand if really the perpetrators are indeed guilty, but now having their name tarnished possibly for a couple more years to go (I do sincerely hope that people are more forgiving as time goes by). I wonder if even these idols able to find “normal job”.
Yea, I mean fake accusations can really be impactful. I hope certain fake accusation can start to get prosecuted to really reduce the frequency of this. And when I mean fake accusations, I mean like it gets disproven; not when its up in air because that one is kinda hard.
Yea definitely. Way better if it was Soyeon's company but there so much logistics and connection she'll need to have to continue to maintain all of this. But finding a company like maybe 143 Ent which is allowing Ikon to do them I think. Like that would be dope too.
Yea, I think it relates to the saying of like "is it worth dying on that hill" or something like that. Like depending on how quick they may be able to mitigate it, typical companies may try but I have yet to remember when they properly protected their artist because yea they are very money oriented and so they will flock to wherever they need to make profit
Not much to say since you covered this so well, but let's add to the fact that alumni had stated that C and her sister were asking them if they had any photos of Soojin six months before the initial accusation. This explains two things: 1) Victim C and her sister lied because they said they were making the accusation at that time because the website ( I think it was Naver?) was removing a certain feature in their comments forums, so they felt they had to make the accusation right away before that feature was removed, and 2) This explains why Soojin said in her first statement that she knew exactly who the anonymous accuser was, since her friends had already warned her six months before then that C and her sister were looking for photos of Soojin (to make their accusation seem more realistic - this was something C and her sister were in the midst of concocting). There's no other reason someone would be going to solicit pictures of another alumni ten years later, there would be no excuse for that type of action, except to cause another person trouble. And there's no way Soojin would have known who the accuser was beside her alumni friends had already forewarned her. Also, the fact that Seo Shin ae was the poster child for school bullying. Seo Shin ae deleted her verbose statement from the internet all together. If you are a poster child for this type of cause - and it is true - there is no way you'd ever remove this statement that you made for any reason - unless it is a false or embellished statement. And it was. SSA said in that statement that Soojin would curse her in between every class in the halls and in the cafeteria every day, day in and day out, for two years. And yet, there are absolutely ZERO students who remember this to even back SSA up that they saw or heard Soojin doing this to SSA. Not even one. Zero people came out to say they saw Soojin doing this to SSA. And every single day in the middle of a crowded cafeteria full of students? Add to that fact that alumni proved that Soojin and SSA had classes on different floors (regarding SSA's mother's letter disappearing at graduation time, and also allegedly that Soojin had placed a pack of cigarettes in SSA's desk) - impossible according to alumni due to the fact that Soojin and SSA had classes on different floors. So if their classes were on different floors, how was Soojin harassing SSA on SSA's floor in between every single class like SSA wrote in her statement? This is just not possible. But why did SSA just decide to delete her statement from the internet? For no reason other than to just delete it? Why? It just fits absolutely no form of logic for SSA to just remove her statement from the internet for no reason. Thank you for your video. It is still important for many of us who love Soojin and (G)I-DLE that this never be forgotten - for Soojin to never be forgotten. We still love Soojin and it's obvious that her members still love her very deeply also. Your video is greatly appreciated!
Wow thanks for this extra information. But yea, theres so much inconsistency and things that can kinda reduce the credibility of C and Seo Shin Ae but can we completely just say that all of this was lies? There was so much false allegations to and many that had been disproved. There was an actual unjustified hate mob against Soojin that were basically making up most of it but also validated the ideas of Soojin as a bully because the more alleged victims come out, the more "credible" it seems even without evidence which is so bad. They have also yet to provide any sort of evidence that can actually make the claims seem legit to whereas Soojin has been able to prove certain things with other helping her debunk others and so that's why I lean more towards Soojin. It's really disheartening to even think that people are this heartless to even ruin people's lives like that
@@cloudchungxiao - The best thing I can say, and it's usually the mark of who is being honest - is that the accusers all have changed their stories to some degree, while Soojin has never changed her statements. The first, everything in between, and her last statement, all match each other and she has never waivered in any of her statements one bit.
Yea thats true. Even with C who's basically really the only alleged victim left with claims without real evidence, they've also made claims that were wrong too which is just kinda red flags.
Yea, I mean she's been pretty quiet. Do wonder if she's even trying to do anything and whether the scandal will linger in her name considering Korea's probably the most decisive about Soojin. They're probably more against Soojin then international fans
@@cloudchungxiao she said while the issue was still hot, that she will have a surprise for her "fans" she said it almost 2 years ago already yet there isnt any
Thanks, this video kinda took a while just because there was so much to look into. Even as a spectator when it was happening, some of these things I didn't know so it almost felt reassuring in terms of my purpose to actually convey the case. Not gonna lie, thought it would come off really bias just because personally I kinda take a side. But hopefully the fact and opinion sign above the video helps distinguish it.
Would be keen to eventually attempt to tackle another case eventually but there defs was a bit of preparation I needed to do and making sure I got all the facts because I defs wanna do them justice. But I'll defs add them to my list of ideas. Thanks for the suggestion.
I could never forget her I love her as a loyal fan since 2018 and it still breaks my heart so much how cube handle this controversy and how everyone comes at her so brutally without a hard proof or evidence. I hope someday she will make an appearance somewhere and update us but rn I just hope shes healthy and doing fine. Justice for Soojin
Yea, I mean it's hard because some people see bullying as something that is character building whereas other may see that as bullying is bullying so no excuses. The age should be a factor of consideration for sure but then also some others may develop so much mental health issues because of the bullying. Obviously it never got to this extent, but the korean show, The Glory, is almost a perfect example of how it can kinda psychologically traumatise people even as adults. Plus Korea is not all rainbows and sunshine and their culture and way of life might be way different so the severity and ability to approach certain aspects of life might explain why some trivialise this. So yea, its like a whole bunch of factors that create such decisiveness when looking at bullying allegations, which that kinda should be the main focus. Looking at whether you can actually prove.
The thing was though, none of it really happened. Except her yelling to that b on the phone for always bailing out on their agreement and never paying back what was owed after being asked so many times to pay back. Even I would be so frustrated to scream at someone like that. The other thing was, the older sister who accused Soojin has admitted to wanting to hurt Soojin physically. How old was the older sister, she was in her 20s threatening to physically harm a 13 year old which is disgusting.
Exactly, but what's crazy is the hierarchal culture of Korea kinda lowkey allows that. Like seniority is so important that sometime they may just ignore abuse in power just because there seniors. But yea, most of the claims from C are just like stuff that's out there as claims that can't either be proven right or wrong just because like how do you prove any of that. And so its like what now?
Thank you for making this video because there was soo much chaos about this and literally no one in this platform was covering it.. I genuinely think that C, her sister, and seo were slightly malicious and they should’ve been criticized more…
Yea, there was one-off videos that covered certain sections but none that really covered the full case so thought I should tackle it since I wasn't even sure I knew the true extent before looking at all this. As for C, C's sister and SSA, yea when we look at everything as a whole, there have been many suspicious things that make me wonder why they weren't blasted like how they wanna claim the amount of alleged victims.
Neverlands it is almost two years since Soojin left we need to trend #hwaa on all things related to Soojin or (G)IDLE. We must make sure Soojin knows that we support her no matter what.
i hope she comes back :( so many ppl still support her including me and i think she can still have her redemption arc like jimin from aoa. i just miss her sm she was literally my bias and as much as i loved tomboy and nude, it just doesn’t feel the same without her :( the way she would’ve DEVOURED nudes concept too like brooo😭
Her image totally suits both Tomboy and Nxde, it really is unfortunate. But yea, I think we'll almost need more attention of the proper case of hers or for something really incriminating that helps basically clear her completely in the eyes of Korea
honestly. and all the “evidence” that happened with jimin was so much worse than what soojin was accused of so i really hope she would be able to have some kind of redemption.
Yea, I mean it was kinda the emotional manipulation. The images Mina would post gave a bit more realism to Jimin's case despite also really being hearsay since you wouldn't think people would go this far to prove a point
@@cloudchungxiao - I don't think Jimin is totally cleared in the eyes of Korea, there are still tons of people in Korea who believe every word Kwon Mina said, but yet here is Shin Jimin back in the industry.
I think there is a selective group of people that will always believe victims just because they're victims. Jimin's been relatively received okay. People aren't cheering for her but they aren't petitioning to remove her from the industry. Her case was another one that was publicised heavily and people even got to see the tables turn with her situation too. That's what I feel like is the main reason she's able to still be active in the kpop industry.
Soojin is such a Pisces, I would’ve handled the situation the same way she did by coming out with that letter and owning up to her truth. I think Soojin is going to come back on her terms. From the way she chose to go about her circumstance, I think she was ready to accept whatever her fate would turn out to be. Soojin to me, has a lot of integrity and strong personal moral values. I’m glad she chose to remain true to herself even if it was detrimental to her career that she rightfully deserved.
Hahaha what are the general traits of Pisces? But yea, I mean idk if she really expected the results to come out like that considering her bold statement of leaving the group if she did anything wrong. But yea, if she ever did come back, she would get a wave of attention. Not sure how long it would have to be to properly kinda shake this from her image for the msot part because for sure she won't be able to remove it completely
I think SK needs to make it law that if a person or news outlet is going to publish accusations explicitly naming someone as the perpetrator, a police report is required to be lodged by the victim and produced. If you're willing to say it you damn well better be able to prove it. Because I'm kind of tired of this whole ignoring me or having an argument with me or doing something I don't like but is not harming me...is bullying. None of that is school violence.
Yea, I mean specifically with SK, they need to treat false reporting a bit more serious. Those are the only clear like you did wrong and shoud be punished to make a statement in regards to fake victims. But as for school violence, it might be a "our culture" thing where we just have diff perspective on school violence and bullying which get intertwined for a lot of cases of bullying in SK.
Bullying is being used so broadly that the word has lost its meaning. I’m sure that everyone has had friendships end on bad terms as children especially because kids are emotionally immature and don’t have well developed interpersonal skills. If any bad social interaction is reframed as intentional bullying then you could have both sides truly believe that they were a victim. If a shy child doesn’t reciprocate when others try to talk to them, does that make them a bully? It just seems like people are quick to assume malicious intent and cast others as bullies when in reality kids are just dumb and still learning how to be people.
Doing this video, I defs felt a strong sense that I needed to do it justice in being accurate so I was literally scared that I would have made any mistakes. But yea, I'll defs take a look into it. I've seen some do coverage on that case but unsure if it was the full case or if it was as more things were coming out.
After two years, i still missed Soojin so so much. Why people want to destroy her dreams? Why S.Korean don't want to find a job and improve their life. Instead this people want to destroy Soojin life and dream. If they are dare, they should come out and show their face.
Yea, I mean bullying is such a serious matter in South Korea so they don't take it lightly. Plus just the natural assumption that you never think people would lie about bullying and then to add to that, multiple stories were coming out about her so it just made her look really bad overall. But yea, I mean the minute a story got disproven, why wasn't there a big "hold up" and think about let's stay neutral or lets think critically
Like Hyuna, I think Seojin has that special charisma and talent that would be great soloist. I really hope she got away from Cube and able to start a fresh career
Yea, will kinda take some time for her to start up as a soloist if she even wants to. But yea, she'll get some support and if not, her stage presence cannot be denied so she'll be able to capture attention
@kyla8386 I guess so. The only issue is that there was a whole image change with Jimin. She actually had pretty damming evidence released to prove she was as evil as Mina depicted it. Mina continue to dig herself into a whole as we got evidence that Mina wasn't really the victim she had made herself out to be. Whereas Soojin is still kinda at a stalemate in which this bullying image still lingers especially in Korea which would be her core demographic she would aim for.
@gwenmloveskpopcecmore I mean also the mental exhaustion of what she had to go through is another factor to consider. Considering what she has gone through, it'll also take time to even wanna go out in public like that too. Every new steps will be heavily reported and the trolls will continue to bombard her too. Unless there's kinda an easier transition, she might just be content with living reclusively without media interference.
I remember telling my fellow Soojin stan friend this point, but she told me that it's not exactly the same since Jimin's vindication was much more well publicized :/
Yea, people were going hard for either she's innocent or guilty. Despite all the evidence that is out there, all we can confidently say is that she is neither on a legal stance.
Ohh yea, that's true; you right. I was referring to the ability to prove one side legally in that it hasn't properly happened in a legal sense. So that obviously means that she should stay innocent until proven guilty but unfortunately the heightened issue of crimes has made a good chunk of societal assumption that you're guilty until proven innocent which is so terrible.
@@cloudchungxiao She cannot be innocent or guilty because she never was really judged. She was defamed in social media, roasted by the public and dumped by her company withouth possibility of defense. During ancient times she would have been accused of being a witch and would have been sacrificied by the mob.
I mean yea, they never appeared in a court to get judged but social media really made things worse and heightened everything to negatively imapct her. Based on just the results from Soojin and her lawyer's agreed decision, it just seems like they're at a moot point.
I think that even if Cube BEGGED Soojin to come back in their company, she wouldn't accept. The only way we might see a reunion of Idle would be if Soojin joins another agency as a soloist, gets famous, and that's when Cube might accept her having some activities with Idle. That's basically how 2PM works now (although they were a JYP) group, some members have left the company/are under another one, but they can still have comebacks together, perform together, go on variety shows as "2PM", etc... Another way would be waiting until the contracts of the 5 other members expire, and until they join another agency (or until they themselves create their own)
Yea, I mean they have a little under two years left I think so it'll lowkey go by fast. But yea, Cube wouldn't beg Soojin back even if the results were in her favor in the end. G-Idle went on to thrive still so it's not like they're losing much in regret if they're maybe making more money with on less member.
I really miss her so much, it was already proven it was false, I hope our girl comes back soon, I will wait for her, I hope those accusers and Seo Shinae lose everything
Only some things have been proven false whereas nothing has been proven true. It's really that unfortunate throw out allegations that evidence would be hard to properly find and so now she's stuck with allegations that she can't really completely remove.
it is really a shame that we live in a world where people don't just wait until enough information gets released to form a reasonable conclusion or when the whole case gets resolved. I kept tabs on the case as it was happening with a neutral stance. I was a bit suspicious when the accuser decided to come out with it now rather than the very beginning of Soojin's trainee days. She waited until IDLE was really at the tips of the peak to drop it. I believe in second chances in most cases if the person themselves proves they are a better person now than back then. And I've seen enough fan interactions with Soojin as well as stories of her with the other members to be convinced that she really is not the person she was at 13. Heck, Soojin's behaviour throughout the entire ordeal just shows that she's moreso innocent than guilty, and I do give her credit for the honesty and professionalism. Even if she did made some poor decisions in her youth and did admit to making mistakes, to me, her time in GIDLE and how others spoke of her shows how much she has changed for the better since her school days. The public reaction really didn't help imo. I do hope that Soojin is doing fine now. I like how GIDLE whether intentional or not puts some sort of reference to her. Do I think she can return to stardom? I actually do but it's unlikely. However we have seen some cases where serious accsued idols do bounce back to much warm reception; T-ARA is a prime example. I believe one AOA member who was originally accused of bullying but turned out to be a victim is making her comeback (pray that reception is kind to her if true). No doubt Soojin is keeping contact with her former members but more underground so to speak
Yea, its that confusing thing where if she was a bully, I guess motive is an important thing. Because the victims would like accountability as opposed to just being changed because that's like one of those things where you may wonder whether they changed to be famous or whether they actually like reformed. But yea, the whole jumping on every new article and making a whole firestorm didn't help. Everything was coming out and I was there and missed out on certain articles and reportings that would have influenced my decision differently too. But yea, as for her comeback I would be keen to see where she wants to go. I mean T-Ara had a proper uno reverse where the bullying contreversy got turned to where we saw the victim became the perpetrator. As for AOA, idk if Jimin was necessarily a victim, it was just more other factors but a lot of experiencing things differently that caused the slight riff that Mina felt.
@@cloudchungxiao I like you mention the case of AOA because beyond the cases where there is malice in the intentions to sink the career of another person, caused by some old vendetta... there are also the cases where people just do not connect and their interactions just cause stress, and then it depends how each one interpret the situation. Accussers always hint but never explain or when they do, the horrendous crime turns to be so meaningless that I wouldn't dare to call that bullying, not in the sense people in the west would consider bullying. But always is the mob dynamic of the netizens what caused the new bullying among adults, no longer school issues. And also puts the accused in a defenceless position because he's under public judgement with no chance of a fair trial.
Yea; we really are a reactive society where we need to instantly react or that's a statement in itself to some people. The mob mentality without critical thinking puts the alleged perpetrator through an instant guilty verdict when for the most part; all laws in most countries have had it the other way around in which innocent until proven guilty. There is just no fairness that is felt considering what has come out and how different people interpret the information given to them
Yea, cancel culture went a little too ham considering the evidence that was laid out on both ends. We're quick to react then to actually wait to get more and proper info
i never believed in it, soojin is not a person who would do that. I don't even want to imagine how bad it hurt soojin cuz I'm a ot6 and i love all gidle members....it just broke my heart...i cried for months and months and tried being out of kpop until gidle had a comeback with tomboy. I hate seo shin-ae. Not a very noble thing to do. But the least she could do was clarify that soojin wasnt the part of her bullying case. Makes me even wonder if she even got bullied cuz if that pain was true, she would never let netizens bully soojin and the company to get her kicked out of the group. You don't let bad things happen to others if they happen to you if you are a good human. And even if she got bullied or whatever, i have no respect, compassion , empathy , pity on her. She accused soojin and made it worse. Even if she was bullied, she is no better than a bully nor is she even a human for letting people bite soojin like that. SEO SHIN AE IS A BULLY FOR THAT.
I mean yea, idk what would sound reasonable. Like if you're a victim of bully, is it okay then to bully too. Or what's an appropriate response because that's what online people love to do. Like once Knetz hear of controversies or bullying allegations, they then begin to bully back the people which its like are you any different then? Like I get justice, but that really isn't the only way.
Yesss, can't wait for more from her. Not too sure about the complete reception of her in Korea to do more promotions but hopefully we get to see more content from her.
Actually though, I mean obviously there is no real victorious outcome but the real question is how is there even gonna be one when this allegedly happen so long ago.
I love gidle, but I dont really have a bias. I wasnt into kpop when Soojin was kicked out but I feel like if she was still in Gidle she would be my bias. We have a lot in common and she seems very lovable.
Yea, I mean her being in G-idle still, i do wonder how much more attention G-idle may have gotten just because of how well she would have attracted more viewers with her stage presence just because she would have suited the concepts well.
Like what do these trolls expect people to do? Strap everyone up with dual bodycams and keep all the footage forever so you can prove if you did or didn't step on a crack in the sidewalk 8 years ago? All of these bullying accusations make me mad, as a victim of extensive social bullying I think it's dangerous to label every "incident" as school violence. There's a huge difference between actual violence (eg The Glory) and social bullying. My bullies decided in preschool that I wasn't allowed to befriend anyone in our grade. I spent 6 years at that first school absolutely miserable from having no friends and being made fun of for having acne, running slow, having a disabled brother etc. Those girls never did anything violent towards me, yes the bullying permanently shaped me as a person, but I'm not out here looking up where they all work now and trying to get them fired. You just have to hope they have become better people. Any incidents of actual violence should have been handled properly by the school and police and parents and if it wasn't, the blame should be on the authorities. Put them on blast if you felt your bullying wasn't dealt with properly! They failed their duty of care! But no these accusations that keep pouring out are clearly only looking to damage reputations and get attention and maybe money. If they sought justice they would have contacted lawyers, the old schools, police etc. Oh and wasn't there an exposed secret chat room several months ago that literally orchestrated online attacks on certain idols? I wouldn't be surprised if many of these accusations are coming from these troll farms with no validity at all
Not sure about the realities considering I never lived in Korea but it seems like the social expectation and cultural differences might explain how bullying can be heightened compared to how we may know and experience the same concept. But yea, such a weird thing to say but I think bullying is on a sort of spectrum and Korean may have a lower tolerance for many forms. As for the secret chat room, nah never heard that. Were there names being thrown around and was it reported much?
I keep wondering about one thing, why did the victims not report the bullying immediatly? Sojin was active for several years. Maybe i am reading too much into this but it almost seems like they were collecting info and trying to remember middle school just to finally put an idol down. I am not defending anyone just the time these victims take to report keeps me wondering.
Yea, I mean a lot of victims are too afraid and almost "silenced" to ever be able to speak out about their injustices. But yea, that too for certain people. Especially C's sister. Like to hear all of the things that had happen and to wait so long to finally speak out. Like if you could grab the phone during their phone argument why not keep any of this documented or have some evidence to report and protect your sister. Plus, I would get during a debut because that's when the memories might get brought back but to take this long too. Like G-Idle was an instant hit during their rookie days so why not something then. Idk, it's hard to kinda expect anyone to come out with their story if they have been supressed and "beaten" down too. It's all jsut one whole mess
If Soojin was a victim of bullying in school, how interesting would it be if those same people continued bullying her as an idol? I mean, there's no way to prove it, but I do wonder if that could be why there were so many false or unprovavlw allegations.
Honestly though; they could be bitter that the person they bullied was out here thriving. There really isn't a correlation to the people who made false allegations so idk; it's probably some fame hungry people thrown in the mix.
@@cloudchungxiao that's a fair point, I don't mean to spread anything or falsely speculate. I was just considering how horribly toxic the bullies in South Korea can be is all.
Nah that's alright. Feel free to discuss your opinions; just as long as they are clearly opinions or speculations. But yea, Idk how legit this is but I've been hearing that the netflix show, The glory, has been praised for its relatively realistic depction which if true kinda explain the severity of bullying and why people go hard on those who do.
I know culture is important but it's so weird to me that people come around talking about middle school. Even if it's true, which it almost never is, so what? We don't hold children responsible for their actions (are you the same person you were in middle school?) the idols don't get much of a chance to give their sides and it's never a "The Glory" situation, it's always something that doesn't even matter anyway. If you're still super cut up because someone cursed at you in middle school, you have bigger issues than an idol.
Yea, some of the acts were weird like riding a motorcycle with older dudes??? Plus Korea is up there in hierarchy, suicide rates, and education being extremely valued that it could honestly turn into a competition. Like these factors can help explain variations in cultures with others and might even explain why it can become a psychological minefield. Obviously these might be rare occurrences but yea I think its a mixture of ensuring accountability and understanding the remorse felt because theres kinda been no justice if they were a true victim. But this should obviously only be in instances where the act warrants the need for that form of accountability.
Never watched Gidle when Soojin was in the group, but just listening to all this you can't help but laugh out loud. Who on earth would ever bring up smoking, unless they literally had nothing on another person. I think cube kicking out Soojin sets a dangerous precendent, in which any anonymous person online can repeatedly make claims on anyone they deem to be a villian in a kpop group, something we see literally all the time, just to get them fired. Neither Cube nor Soojin should have ever responded to any of this. In america this would be laughed at.
Yea; it's a real different culture thing that sometimes I can't even understand slightly. Bullying is viewed way different and treated differently too. I think Cube definitely followed the money for the most part because these allegations could have stained G-Idle and even Cube despite the lack of any real evidence. However, because of the severity of bullying; it's almost like a zero tolerance thing where only a very small amount of korean fans would continue to support them.
Oooo, maybe honestly. She either left because Cube was barely doing anything or she just knew that it wasn't gonna be in her favor as in getting completely cleared so she knew her career was not gonna happen or Cube pulled the trigger first and just wanted to remove ASAP once the not guilty verdict came out because they've also drop the ball with artist management.
@@cloudchungxiao - When this happened (Soojin stepping back from the group), I was pretty involved in forums with a good number of Koreans who were supporting Soojin. They were telling me, and yes it's hearsay but I believe it because it makes the most sense, that the wave of hatred had filtered down from the mob beginning to send hate statements to the members, and the members' families. Soojin could deal with the hatred directed toward herself, but when the hatred began to spread to the members and their family members, Soojin had to make a decision, and Soojin always protects the members. It was the most selfless and noble act, giving up your career for your friends. I don't know many people who would care that much about their friends to give up their entire career for them. So again, it's not like anyone I spoke with had any type of inside information, but more than a few people had told me that was the situation. Everyone just thought Cube was going to wait it out and take care of Soojin until she was justified. We never thought that Cube would dump her like they did the following March, and I think the members felt the same way, as that is about when the members started distancing themselves from Cube.
Yea, I mean Cube kinda stuck by her considering they waited for a verdict before dropping her. But yea, that theory does also kinda make sense.I mean obviously not sure if that actually happened but it really was a mess that exploded into million bits of pieces
It's really a difference in opinion i guess. Not for me, but the way people interpret stuff can vary. Like how Soojin sees it vs the victim can be different despite literally both experiencing the same thing. It's these complexities that make this stuff hard because why give stronger weighting to either
Soojin was one of the most unproblematic, truly talented idols. She deserves so much better. I still think about her all the time and wish her the best.
Yea, literally the last thing I can vaguely remember before all this happened was that V-Live that she did in which she ended it early because of malicious commentors. Like that's not really evidence but I swear if she was a bully, she wouldn't have reacted like that.
Yea, I'm not sure how to get a consistent volume throughout all my videos. It sounds loud when editing and then when it gets exported, it goes down?? But is the audio difference in comparison to other videos you watch where you have to increase it on mines?
Ohh right, will try to fix that issue for future videos. I've been trying to test my recording equipment to see what it sounds like from certain distance. I feel like if I'm too close, it gives of ASMR vibes like real in your face but might be the only kinda way to get clearer and stronger audio until I can upgrade my mic. But yea, thanks for the feedback :)
Hey, don't know much spanish or have any in my close proximity to help with that. Once I start to grow more though, I'll try to potentially outsource some subtitles but at the moment there's not much I can do sorry.
i think this feature only works on the web browser version of TH-cam, but you can go to settings (bottom right corner of the video), captions, auto-translate, then spanish. it might not be accurate, as the text is autogenerated though.
Actually though, media manipulation at its finest. Like if the support was published out like the alleged victim's story, this case would have been way more complicated for netizens and it wouldn't have been one-sided. But it's all about the clicks and infamy from milking people's suffering
Its kinda mix. I think maybe general public have associated her with guilty just because they were played by media manipulation but with people who looked into the case, it's like slightly positive but also some are still side eying her a little
Yea, that's kinda true. Might even be alot of netizens with inferior complex so they like to disregard truth for making themselves feel better by justifying their hatred on other people
I hate how accusations can just end someone's career. Especially ones where you can't prove anything. The legal system isn't perfect, but if you have the balls to take someone to court, there should be some repercussions. Soojin is innocent. Their comeback was so successful others including that shameless actress and the stupid journalists milked it and Soojin took the fall. I guess I shouldn't be korean media can also be stupid and manipulative.
Yea, it's hard when certain cases like these where you can't prove anything because of how long it's been. Like you don't want to discredit an actual victim but also you don't want to villainies' someone who may not have done it so like actually what's next.
Yea, I mean it's one of those things where people hear sad stories and are easily inclined to believe. Throw out some health condition and that will make it more realistic without really proving anything properly
Soojin deserves better. CUBE can make up for throwing her under the bus by doing the right thing and let her rejoin her group. Karma will take care of Seo Shin-ae and the alphabet accusers. Hopefully Soojin will be around to see it. #alwayswithsoojin
I'm not sure if Cube thinks they did much wrong. I mean regardless, G-Idle are still thriving without Soojin so Cube thinks it's justified and probably doesn't regret much considering the legal verdict is not really definitive. But yea, it would be so cool if we got like some rendition with Soojin in Tomboy and Nxde though
Pannchoa, the korean blog which got the big part of soojin's scandal at the time got sued and closed So, I hope SSA got sued next and this case came into the light
Wait really? It seems to be still be up. Did you get it confused with Sojang who is in a legal battle-ish (not sure if they still are). As for SSA, I feel like Soojin might want to kinda put that behind her. Like based on what she has gone through; there doesn't seem to be anything definitive that would make it worth for her to re-open all this.
Sorry I am new to K-pop but let me see if I understand this correctly, all of this drama is from a claim that Soojin "bullied" her in middle school? So that mean's it would have happened almost 10 yrs ago (Soojin 24) and she discribed being "bullied" as making personal attacks at her and laughing behind her back. Why/how is this even taken seriously? are people so emotionally weak and soft now that words from ten yrs ago are to much to handle? Even worse is people allow it to happen, Guess what life isn't perfect and if you let other peoples words bother you that much all your doing is giving them power over you. So weird.
Yea, I mean there really are cultural difference and that's caused the experience they go through vs how we go through things way different. Definitely personally wouldn't care as much but bullying is pretty up there in offences that can ruin an idol's career. But yea, sadly she isn't the only one to fall victim to bullying accusations in school that may or may not be false.
I think Seo Shin-Ae accusing Soojin of being a bully was a huge strike against Soojin's career in G-Idle. When a respected public figure wrongfully calls out another person they are doomed, the Korean public will most likely side with the accuser and then there's little hope for the accused of being cleared of the wrongful accusations made about and saved from their downfall. Look at T-ara's bullying scandal, Jimin and Mina from AOA, Kim Garam in Le Sserafim..Poor Soojin. She did not deserve to have what she worked hard for passionately for years for, snatched away from her over lies.
Yea, I mean there because in a legal sense neither are in the right or wrong due to the lack of evidence, I guess its really up to potential evidence releases or even statements that flat out say otherwise. But yea, Seo Shin-Ae was an important figure in kinda shifting the verdict without actually providing anything. It really was the accumulated trust from being in the limelight that people thought that she would not tell a lie
Yea, I mean music is all subjective for sure. But yea, personally I really like their music after she left but also I could so totally see her fitting in the concepts too so it would have been extra flavour and extra attention potentially.
That'll be hard for sure. Despite what cube has done; they do have some pretty great groups and it's not like they're in a Loona situation where they aren't really making money. It's like we hope they getting enough money to feel like they can leave cube ASAP
Lowkey would be nice. How likely do you think this will happen though? I think international fans would advocate for this but the Korean audience though ... it's a real 50/50 thing
@cloudchungxiao I think it's really likely because of the never die album. It shows how much the girls think of themselves as 6, no matter what happens. I also think and hope that the song "Villian Dies" shows Soojin's career never died, and she is just slowly regaining her health and well-being before returning to us.
Ohh for sure, I think the group still would honestly consider themselves OT6 if it wasn't so divisive but the thing is whether there would be a strong enough audience to continue to support them both internationally and domestically. Like consider the high highs that they are riding, hopefully, there's not like that severe of an outrage to just destroy all that momentum
Great to see she's doing a fanconcert in oceania, but they've already cancelled one event so not sure what's happening. Do you think she should continue in the same music direction?
It's time Cube let Soojin come back to (G)-Idle, they would make so much money, they wouldn't know what to do. Idle should time their next comeback with Soojin rejoining them.
It's sucha big risk unfortunately. Like depending on the market, since some of her claims are fully disproven plus depending on what people have seen from the case, G-Idle might face more backlash to consider it worth it. Plus Cube's doing fine without Soojin so they probably don't feel like they even have to risk any potential bad press
I personally do not care for Soojin as she never interested me as a member; she was boring to me/never caught my eye. However, I will say that she was talented as fuck!! Her voice was so damn seductive and her stage presence was *it*. I will say one thing though, the kpop industry is hilarious as fuck. I’m not surprised that Soojin got kicked out (whether the rumours are true or not, idk as I’m still watching the video), bc of how stupid the industry is. I mean, you can get into trouble for not even bowing, waving a different country flag, breaking the thing that hits the drums or not ever smiling. It’s beyond a joke tbh. I wonder what Soojin is upto now, these days…
Ohh yea, I think Soojin's personality would have been very hit or miss considering she was more quiet and reserved compared to the foreign line of G-Idle. But yea, that's one thing you cannot deny; Soojin's stage presence was so captivating. But yea, also can see why Soojin left even with no complete definitive answer to what happened. Image is so important and so not being to clear things up properly left a stain that I guess Cube was not willing to support because they would be negatively impacted. But yea, even your examples; Kpop has so much hypocrisy to it that you're almost walking on eggshells to accommodate the masses who all think differently
I mean the contradictions from the many alleged victim's statement should matter too. Doesn't clear Soojin completely because some are at moot but that should give some red flags that it's not that easy; case closed.
@@nulseulah6700 I did feel like this a bit while watching the opinion parts tbh. I'm really confused about this case and still not sure I understand everything but I'd like to see screenshots of Soojin's and other ppl's posts about the incident in this video with translations. Finished watching and still confused 😅 I want to believe Soojin, high chance things are getting blown out of proportion here but there must be some truth to all of this too. I don't blindly believe idols are perfect human beings and the way they present themselves may not be their true self so who knows?
I mean I wouldn't say she wouldn't lie and I'm not saying she's completely innocent but she hasn't been properly proven to be a bully with any valid evidence. Similar to how you're blinded into believing Soojin is a bully without proper evidence, we all have our opinion which doesn't mean either is right or wrong because we can't with the lack of evidence. As for the translations and timeline, it's in the description. My main takeaway from this video wasn't that Soojin was innocent. It's that everyone is quick to react despite the amount of fake victims that would arise from this case. Legally it would be innocent until proven guilty so people can claim that. But even if you don't vibe with that statement, you can't really find evidence properly proving she was a bully so it's all hearsay which neither should have greater weighting in their voice overpowering the other. Thus, neutrality is all you can do and I guess just avoid the topic if you feel like you don't know how to view this. The reason why I lean towards more Soojin's side is because of the amount of hate and negative impact that has happened in her life considering what has been used as evidence to prove anything.
@@cloudchungxiao No, I agree with you on this, Soojin shouldn't have left the group and this shouldn't have costed her career. The amount of hate she's getting is not justified. I'm also not saying she's a bully, I'm saying I wouldn't know cause I dont know her personally. I've been through this with Jimin from AOA, she was my bias and most of us had no idea who she was when she wasn't on camera. Though there is clear evidence for that so it's not the same but that opened my eyes to seeing how many idols are probably just putting on a persona for their job cause kpop industry is so ruthless to anything but a cookie cutter perfect personality when it comes to idols. Now, I dont believe the "victims" are telling the whole truth, it does sound like a smear campaign but still there must be something that went down for them to come after Soojin like that. Was it worth the amount of media attention this got? Probably not, but I do think there's a good chance both sides were at fault when they were young and whether that should carry over to their adult lives is a whole another issue.
watching this makes me sad for her all over again. She was such a STAR, she was on her way to being a top idol that everyone loved and she loved everyone. She’s still is my ultimate bias of all time ♥️
Yea, she really helped bring so much attention to G-Idle. Very integral part of forming the foundations that it's sad to see she can't continue with the others.
@@cloudchungxiao hopefully years down the lie, idle will leave cube, start their own company and she comes back because honestly with all the subliminal messages of her in their songs, she never left ♥️
Yea, it really is that small quiver of hope that potentially she will rejoin eventually or their indirect way to show support for Soojin.
Great to see her subtly mentioned in Tomboy and Nude…
Yea, I mean lets see if we can find the easter egg in their next comeback
the thing that upsets me the most about this is how unprofessional shin ae went about this. i understand she may have felt wronged seeing her “bully” receive so much love but to make all these subliminal accusations when you know how intense the public can be with this kind of thing was so spiteful. it really didn’t have to be this way.
and the fact that soojin came out with a CLEAR letter addressing everything and taking accountability for her own mistakes should’ve stopped the anger towards her in their tracks. when has an idol accused of bullying ever done something like that? you could see how genuine and transparent she was being in hopes that people would understand and how much she wanted to stay. this was her *dream* .just so sad
Yea, considering she was an actual victim to bullying, she really shouldn't have been so subliminal if she wasn't completely sure. Plus I get she has her own rights to choose how to go about it but atleast respond the Cube's attempt to speak. Like her and her comapny kept ignoring all this and it literally could have been handled behind close doors to completely clear all this but she continued on to be petty af.
Did that Shin Ae intentionally didnt mentioned Soojin's name directly so Soojin cant file lawsuit against her? ngl it was well played i really hope Soojin gets a second chance in the industry if she wants to be an idol again like Jimin of AOA
Yea, I mean that's true. Legally to be on the safe side, she probably avoided saying her name. But if she can think that far, she surely should have been adamant about her claims, but she really wasn't
Basically to sum it up shin ae is trash with lack of better disernment said false accusation to someone thats not her bully and basically destroyed her career without checking for clear evidence and facts b4 saying anything that she says could destroy someones life and tries to avoid it by indirectly saying it about this incident thus blowing it up but kept being like a ghost and being stfu mode to all these juz cuz
I was gonna say; the past few weeks I think i saw Soojin or SSA's name trend and I wasn't able to look into it properly but was there someting new or kinda trying to bring attention to what has been found
I really miss her. Her stage presence was so captivating. She is a real life fertility Goddess
Yea, and its wild that the next releases post-controversy all kinda just worked well with Soojin and her aura. Like actual missed opportunity
Me too 🥺
Yea, I mean Im reading some good theories which I gotta remind myself might not happen but hopefully she atleast starts up an IG whenever because I do wanna see where she's up to
Watching Nxde get so big and popular internationally really made me sad for her. It was completely unfair she wasn't there with them. And she's basically been blackballed from the industry now. I really doubt anyone would work with her. Can you imagine literally spending the vast majority of your life training for a career you finally get the career and then it's unfairly ripped away from you right before you reach the success you've spent your life training for?!! What can she even do with her life now? She has to choose a whole new career.
Yea; with G-Idles success post Soojin; its like a mixture of happy for them but sad that Soojin couldn't join these two concepts that would suit her so well and also does it also mean G-Idle would have thrived without her? But yea; unless there's proper doubt that can be inserted to all the people who made statements; she for the most part is likely to be blackballed
I feel like one of the things that sadly made her weak and all of this is her honesty. I've seen many responses from idols with the different accusations, Soojin was by far the only who actually elaborated the problem she had with the accuser. Soojin also admitted that she had done some mistakes and wasn't the best student, which gave haters a reason to hate but to me it was clear evidence that the accusations were false, like why would she admit such things that would set her up? And the firmness in her saying that she would leave the group if found guilty and even asking the actress to speak out was a clear behaviour of someone who knew they weren't guilty. And while people claim that the conversation between seo shinae and the Neverland was prolly false, tell me why SHE didn't come out and say that it was false? Her silence says it all. SSA knew damn well that it would ruin Soojin and when it was already done she shook it off and acted as if it wasn't her fault. And she knew what she was doing when refusing to use Soojin's name in her accusation. And if you take a look at every claim in this story, the only person that never changed their version was Soojin. Every single accuser had come back to say something different that didn't add up to their previous claim. Overall this is a really upsetting thing to me cuz I have a feeling we will see Seo Soojin as a star again. Gidle without her just isn't the same. Kpop without her isn't the same. I honestly had to take a break from kpop because of this huge injustice I could only witness and do nothing about.
Yea, that's the sucky part. She's been consistent and upfront about everything and yet its been used as a weapon to tear her down. It's so hard because it's another instance where you have to question these alleged victims which once again you just don't want to believe are making it up. BUT the math aint mathing and so you're just left either losing faith in people because we accumulating so much of these fake victims or we've been supporting someone who has been problematic but from what we know, it seems slightly more obvious which sounds a bit more legit.
Same, i still havent come back from my break tbh
Yea, it can be kinda rough though ngl.
still can’t believe seo shinae helped in ruining her career
jealousy is a scary thing
@emm3814 Yea, considering how careful she was being subliminal about everything and also as a victim of actual bullying, I thought she would understand the power of words. So to do all that and not know if she really was part of the group is so wild.
@dramadamagedyoursoul I dont even know if its jealousy on Seo Shin Ae's part. They were in different areas of work and so they never really overlapped to warrant the need to compare of feel jealous.
@@cloudchungxiao if it was a jealousy thing, i don’t think it would be to do with work necessarily but more so just seeing someone who you felt may have “wronged you” somehow and seeing how much love they are getting.
@@bluebeardswif3 seo shin ae was just traumatized due to being bullied and assumed anyone laughing near her was laughing at her
Seo Shin Ae absolutely made my blood boil! Assuming she made a mistake and truly thought everything about Soojin was true, when she found out she was wrong about Soojin being in the group of bullies. she should have at least publicly clarified that and kept stuff to facts. I would believe Seo Shin Ae was a bully before I would believe Soojin was. I didn't care too much about Soojin because Yuqi was my bias and I loved Soyeon and Miyeon in K/DA, but when all this broke, so did my heart. Justice for Soojin!!! Thanks fo the video!
Yea, I do wonder what Seo Shin Ae is up to? Because I think admiting to that would almost be career suicide so Idk if she would even think about that. Plus, I really do wonder why that whole IG DM is not exploding like every other victim's account of what happened.
@@cloudchungxiao She was in a singing show but was terribly lambasted by Knetz and of course Nevies.
Recently??? And lambasted for bad singing or just because of her association to the whole controversy.
@@cloudchungxiao both
I still think Seo Shin-ae was just trying to capitalize off of the whole situation to get her name back out there. She hadn't been in anything since 2018, and knowing that she was not even that big of an actress (like, she was still a celebrity, but like B- or C-list), I think she probably was scared that the public was forgetting about her and getting into a high-visibility controversy would remind people that she existed. Just absolutely ridiculous.
The fact that these alleged victims have threatened to kill Soojin multiple times says it all to me. I think they were consumed by jealousy and envy of her success. Threatening her life is absolutely disgusting.
Ohh yea, you mean C's sister? Yea, I wonder what people think about that. Like if Soojin was a bully then can we justify bullying her back and threatening her life? Or nah, there shouldn't be a double standard to that.
Justice for Soojin 🙏
Yes, the amount she had to endure was not warranted considering the evidence and details we know now.
Soojin's impact on the industry and the void she left just speak on how loved she was and still is ! I miss her so much... I've lost all certainty around a come back. She was put through so much and suffered because of misogyny and jealousy. At this point I just hope she's happy and healthy ! I still dream of her showing herself to the public again, or at least create an IG account (she could disable comments).
Honestly same, it's up to her but for me i lowkey selfishly want updates whether through IG or other socials. But yea, the comeback would garner a lot both good and bad.
samee! i really hope she makes some kind of social media i really miss her :( and i think she would be better of as a youtuber than back in the toxic industry :/
Yea, Idk how much trust she will have on the industry considering the circumstances of what has happened but she could literally be some kind of influencer because I think she still has that power.
I'm an OG Neverland (as in I started stanning during LATATA era), and I always sided with Soojin. The moment Victim C's sister spoke up, I could smell a smear-campaign because of (G)I-DLE's success. Aside from the fact why they're only speaking up the moment (G)I-DLE was killing the chart list, I am a victim of school bullying, and I thought some of their allegations like the theft were absolutely ridiculous. According to them it happened in front of the school gates... Where everyone could see. Even most idiotic teens will do something they know is a crime not in front of the entire school, and I had a kid in my year dealing drugs who I suspected was involved with drug cartels because I lived nearby a drug cartel's HQs and he knew all about a rivalling drug cartel and their beef with the one I lived close to in a way that implies inside knowledge and that he was involved with the rival gang. I was cyberbullied amongst things for making a comment about him and his friend group being trash as one of my classmates was involved and my entire class + their friend group seemed to defend their actions. Mind you, he and said classmate literally threatened the life of a kid in the year below us who caught them dealing but I suppose when you and your friend group are the most popular in school the threat on a first year's life isn't that important. They were stupid assholes, but they weren't that stupid to do it where a teacher could see. If the kid wasn't brave enough to snitch despite the threat on his life, they wouldn't have been caught. In that instance, I wished my school had acted a bit more like the Koreans because both were only suspended for a few days, not even a week.
The fact she actually admitted to smoking, and had a different perspective of some things, to me was the proof of her innocence. Why would she say things that could risk her career (which she still had at the time), by admitting she used to smoke when idol culture is very much anti-smoking? Why would she admit to some things, and defend herself against the more ridiculous claims? That's the way someone who is speaking the truth and owns up to the mistakes they did make would act.
Yea, with everything that's come out, it feels strange that we still cant confidently say shes innocent in the sense of it is sufficient evidence in a legal sense. There's so much dismantling that can be done but society's given more power to victims because people just really cant believe people would stoop that low to make things up. Plus the added multiple victims that would come out, it would literally make zero sense for so much people to make things up and yet they did. I do lowkey wanna hear more from people against her though just to get there perspective because either its just difference of opinions in which their values lean towards inclined to believe all victims or they know something i don't
@@cloudchungxiao We can only speculate, but smear campaigns and hate bandwagons have became more prominent in fandom cultures. I feel like, in the case of Soojin, there might be some alumni including C and her sister, who were jealous of her success. Considering there was that statement about Soojin actually being the one who was bullied, I have this feeling they always saw her talent and were threatened by her outshining them so they tried taking her down a peg. Now they see that they failed, and they were enraged.
It was one of the reasons why I was bullied too, I'm pretty much considered an artistic genius and I'm in the process of going through the details and plans to open my own Etsy shop once I'm done with the illustrations of my first finished manuscript. Some of my bullies were genuinely envious of my talent and would mock me for any drawing I did screw up even though I was already doing art commisions for free because my butterfly tattoo designs were popular amongst my female classmates (I was like 13 when I started doing various commisions, but I actually did my first when I was 11). It's what happens when people know you have it in you to make it big, you'll find people who resent you for absolutely no reason other then envy.
In Soojin's case, they probably thought that because of the fact she did smoke, and became an idol known for her sex appeal and often would show her tattoos, that it would be easy to defame her and paint her in a bad light because she already had a 'not too innocent' image
Worst of all, they were right.
@@inferiorinferno8859 - If you see some of the things the alumni would say, can't remember the quotes exactly word for word, but in a nutshell, they said that they were even ashamed to tell people that they attended WAW middle school, as it was a breeding grounds for rumor mills. Even through all of that, no alumni ever said that Soojin had a bad reputation tho. Only the accusers said that. I haven't seen any alumni who spoke ill of Soojin. I do remember some of the alumni saying that C's sister was never an outcast, that she was a quiet kid, but no one thought of her as an outcast. And that was the picture that C was trying to paint, that Soojin got everyone (a group phone call spread down through the whole school) to think of C's sister as an outcast. No alumni ever said so. It's a shame that after Soojin stepped down from the group, that's when the public opinion for her started to sway in her favor. And that's where we are now. I-fans don't know enough about the case, they assume Koreans still hate Soojin when things have really calmed down, and just when you think things are okay, newscasts talk about "The Glory" and start re-naming Soojin and others and keep them in a bad light. But if the members keep mentioning her, they must know something that we fans don't. And I'm hoping so. I have a motto, it's "Always trust Soyeon". We'll see where all of this takes us, but I have a feeling that the final pieces of this have not arrived yet.
Inferior Inferno Yea, totally get what you're saying and sorry that you had to go through that. Defs for C's side, they really added on the msot random claims that were less harmful and more on the ruing Soojin's image. The whole being threatened by talent is pretty common and so I could see that as a plausible consideration since it took three years of activities before they even said anything.
I find it interesting that the idols accused of bullying are pretty much always considered to be the visuals of their group. I also find it interesting that the girls that have been accused have all been kicked out of their groups while the males have not.
Yea, there was some talks about double standard because they compared it with Hyunjin of Stray Kids was in embroiled in a similar controversy. Haven't looked into his case so I can't really make a proper comment but that also kinda plays a factor on the punishments idols may receive
@@cloudchungxiao so far every school bullying scandal I’ve seen has turned out the idol accused was innocent.
Yea, either false, partial truth or unresolved. Rarely a fully confirmed bullying scandal. It's like so weird because they walk away free while the idols have to almost suffer a negative image which image is a big thing in Korea.
facts.
I want Soojin back. And I want Kim Garam back. Both completely innocent.
Yea, returning idols from controversies have defs taken there time with varying degrees of success so we never know. But it could happen one day
I kind of heard what happened to Soojin back then, but I wasn’t a fan of Idle until recently. With the amount of false accusations that came out in Kpop industry in 2021, I think I can safely say Soojin case is still one of the most talked about. Looking back having the benefit of hindsight, rather than having the mentality to support and believe the victim, we as human being, have the responsibility to critically assess the situation before believing either side.
What happened to her was really unfortunate. She had her whole career in front of her, her group was doing so well and she seemed genuinely loved being on stage and performing with the girls.
To think we live in a society that let a girl’s lifelong dream and hard-work crushed because of unproven claims and accusations…it is such a shame.
Omg yea, I literally still can't believe the wave of bullying accusations. Like it was literally many new idol bullying cases a day and then some of them were getting disproved so quick and for what?? Literally such weird people to decide to make up rumors like these
@@cloudchungxiao yes I also didn’t expect the length people go for…revenge? Quick fame? I can understand if really the perpetrators are indeed guilty, but now having their name tarnished possibly for a couple more years to go (I do sincerely hope that people are more forgiving as time goes by). I wonder if even these idols able to find “normal job”.
Yea, I mean fake accusations can really be impactful. I hope certain fake accusation can start to get prosecuted to really reduce the frequency of this. And when I mean fake accusations, I mean like it gets disproven; not when its up in air because that one is kinda hard.
Soojin is apparently doing well at the café she's currently working at and (g)idle has been rocking and rolling with 2022 being their best year ever.
Ohhh shieeeet, cafe? Where did you hear this from?
Man I never thought Soojin will leave Gidle! It's still very unbelievable.
I mean Cube's artist management has always been pretty bad so I was hoping G-Idle would be different but nope.
I really do hope after g-idle ends their contract, that they go to another company or Soyeon develops her own. In my opinion.
Yea definitely. Way better if it was Soyeon's company but there so much logistics and connection she'll need to have to continue to maintain all of this. But finding a company like maybe 143 Ent which is allowing Ikon to do them I think. Like that would be dope too.
@@cloudchungxiao This proves that every member is replaceable irrespective of their talents. The company only cares about the image. 😢
Yea, I think it relates to the saying of like "is it worth dying on that hill" or something like that. Like depending on how quick they may be able to mitigate it, typical companies may try but I have yet to remember when they properly protected their artist because yea they are very money oriented and so they will flock to wherever they need to make profit
Not much to say since you covered this so well, but let's add to the fact that alumni had stated that C and her sister were asking them if they had any photos of Soojin six months before the initial accusation. This explains two things:
1) Victim C and her sister lied because they said they were making the accusation at that time because the website ( I think it was Naver?) was removing a certain feature in their comments forums, so they felt they had to make the accusation right away before that feature was removed, and
2) This explains why Soojin said in her first statement that she knew exactly who the anonymous accuser was, since her friends had already warned her six months before then that C and her sister were looking for photos of Soojin (to make their accusation seem more realistic - this was something C and her sister were in the midst of concocting). There's no other reason someone would be going to solicit pictures of another alumni ten years later, there would be no excuse for that type of action, except to cause another person trouble. And there's no way Soojin would have known who the accuser was beside her alumni friends had already forewarned her.
Also, the fact that Seo Shin ae was the poster child for school bullying. Seo Shin ae deleted her verbose statement from the internet all together. If you are a poster child for this type of cause - and it is true - there is no way you'd ever remove this statement that you made for any reason - unless it is a false or embellished statement. And it was. SSA said in that statement that Soojin would curse her in between every class in the halls and in the cafeteria every day, day in and day out, for two years. And yet, there are absolutely ZERO students who remember this to even back SSA up that they saw or heard Soojin doing this to SSA. Not even one. Zero people came out to say they saw Soojin doing this to SSA. And every single day in the middle of a crowded cafeteria full of students? Add to that fact that alumni proved that Soojin and SSA had classes on different floors (regarding SSA's mother's letter disappearing at graduation time, and also allegedly that Soojin had placed a pack of cigarettes in SSA's desk) - impossible according to alumni due to the fact that Soojin and SSA had classes on different floors. So if their classes were on different floors, how was Soojin harassing SSA on SSA's floor in between every single class like SSA wrote in her statement? This is just not possible. But why did SSA just decide to delete her statement from the internet? For no reason other than to just delete it? Why? It just fits absolutely no form of logic for SSA to just remove her statement from the internet for no reason.
Thank you for your video. It is still important for many of us who love Soojin and (G)I-DLE that this never be forgotten - for Soojin to never be forgotten. We still love Soojin and it's obvious that her members still love her very deeply also. Your video is greatly appreciated!
Wow thanks for this extra information. But yea, theres so much inconsistency and things that can kinda reduce the credibility of C and Seo Shin Ae but can we completely just say that all of this was lies? There was so much false allegations to and many that had been disproved. There was an actual unjustified hate mob against Soojin that were basically making up most of it but also validated the ideas of Soojin as a bully because the more alleged victims come out, the more "credible" it seems even without evidence which is so bad. They have also yet to provide any sort of evidence that can actually make the claims seem legit to whereas Soojin has been able to prove certain things with other helping her debunk others and so that's why I lean more towards Soojin. It's really disheartening to even think that people are this heartless to even ruin people's lives like that
@@cloudchungxiao - The best thing I can say, and it's usually the mark of who is being honest - is that the accusers all have changed their stories to some degree, while Soojin has never changed her statements. The first, everything in between, and her last statement, all match each other and she has never waivered in any of her statements one bit.
Yea thats true. Even with C who's basically really the only alleged victim left with claims without real evidence, they've also made claims that were wrong too which is just kinda red flags.
seo shinae ruined her carrer for her gain yet she gain no career or anything.
Yea, I mean she's been pretty quiet. Do wonder if she's even trying to do anything and whether the scandal will linger in her name considering Korea's probably the most decisive about Soojin. They're probably more against Soojin then international fans
@@cloudchungxiao she said while the issue was still hot, that she will have a surprise for her "fans" she said it almost 2 years ago already yet there isnt any
2 years ago is also the time when the allegations and controversy started. Did she say this before or after all of this?
I honestly love the research and depth you out in your videos!!!
Thanks, this video kinda took a while just because there was so much to look into. Even as a spectator when it was happening, some of these things I didn't know so it almost felt reassuring in terms of my purpose to actually convey the case. Not gonna lie, thought it would come off really bias just because personally I kinda take a side. But hopefully the fact and opinion sign above the video helps distinguish it.
@@cloudchungxiao yes, it was impartial ❤️❤️❤️. Your hard work will eventually pay off!! 💜❤️
Thanks for the support
@@cloudchungxiao always love ❤️❤️
Would be keen to eventually attempt to tackle another case eventually but there defs was a bit of preparation I needed to do and making sure I got all the facts because I defs wanna do them justice. But I'll defs add them to my list of ideas. Thanks for the suggestion.
I could never forget her I love her as a loyal fan since 2018 and it still breaks my heart so much how cube handle this controversy and how everyone comes at her so brutally without a hard proof or evidence. I hope someday she will make an appearance somewhere and update us but rn I just hope shes healthy and doing fine. Justice for Soojin
Yea; Idk if it feels that long for her but hopefully she's had time to recover and just kinda get back to a better place.
imagine getting fired from ur job as an adult because when you were 13 you slapped someone, cussed, or drew on someones jacket.... who even cares?
Yea, I mean it's hard because some people see bullying as something that is character building whereas other may see that as bullying is bullying so no excuses. The age should be a factor of consideration for sure but then also some others may develop so much mental health issues because of the bullying. Obviously it never got to this extent, but the korean show, The Glory, is almost a perfect example of how it can kinda psychologically traumatise people even as adults. Plus Korea is not all rainbows and sunshine and their culture and way of life might be way different so the severity and ability to approach certain aspects of life might explain why some trivialise this. So yea, its like a whole bunch of factors that create such decisiveness when looking at bullying allegations, which that kinda should be the main focus. Looking at whether you can actually prove.
The thing was though, none of it really happened. Except her yelling to that b on the phone for always bailing out on their agreement and never paying back what was owed after being asked so many times to pay back. Even I would be so frustrated to scream at someone like that.
The other thing was, the older sister who accused Soojin has admitted to wanting to hurt Soojin physically. How old was the older sister, she was in her 20s threatening to physically harm a 13 year old which is disgusting.
Exactly, but what's crazy is the hierarchal culture of Korea kinda lowkey allows that. Like seniority is so important that sometime they may just ignore abuse in power just because there seniors. But yea, most of the claims from C are just like stuff that's out there as claims that can't either be proven right or wrong just because like how do you prove any of that. And so its like what now?
Thank you for making this video because there was soo much chaos about this and literally no one in this platform was covering it..
I genuinely think that C, her sister, and seo were slightly malicious and they should’ve been criticized more…
Yea, there was one-off videos that covered certain sections but none that really covered the full case so thought I should tackle it since I wasn't even sure I knew the true extent before looking at all this.
As for C, C's sister and SSA, yea when we look at everything as a whole, there have been many suspicious things that make me wonder why they weren't blasted like how they wanna claim the amount of alleged victims.
Neverlands it is almost two years since Soojin left we need to trend #hwaa on all things related to Soojin or (G)IDLE. We must make sure Soojin knows that we support her no matter what.
Yea, honestly hope she knows that she's still supported.
Hwaa is one my favorite song too 😭
Hwaa was pretty interesting. Not initially impactful for me but it did receive greater reception in Korea though
i hope she comes back :( so many ppl still support her including me and i think she can still have her redemption arc like jimin from aoa. i just miss her sm she was literally my bias and as much as i loved tomboy and nude, it just doesn’t feel the same without her :( the way she would’ve DEVOURED nudes concept too like brooo😭
Her image totally suits both Tomboy and Nxde, it really is unfortunate. But yea, I think we'll almost need more attention of the proper case of hers or for something really incriminating that helps basically clear her completely in the eyes of Korea
honestly. and all the “evidence” that happened with jimin was so much worse than what soojin was accused of so i really hope she would be able to have some kind of redemption.
Yea, I mean it was kinda the emotional manipulation. The images Mina would post gave a bit more realism to Jimin's case despite also really being hearsay since you wouldn't think people would go this far to prove a point
@@cloudchungxiao - I don't think Jimin is totally cleared in the eyes of Korea, there are still tons of people in Korea who believe every word Kwon Mina said, but yet here is Shin Jimin back in the industry.
I think there is a selective group of people that will always believe victims just because they're victims. Jimin's been relatively received okay. People aren't cheering for her but they aren't petitioning to remove her from the industry. Her case was another one that was publicised heavily and people even got to see the tables turn with her situation too. That's what I feel like is the main reason she's able to still be active in the kpop industry.
Soojin is such a Pisces, I would’ve handled the situation the same way she did by coming out with that letter and owning up to her truth. I think Soojin is going to come back on her terms. From the way she chose to go about her circumstance, I think she was ready to accept whatever her fate would turn out to be. Soojin to me, has a lot of integrity and strong personal moral values. I’m glad she chose to remain true to herself even if it was detrimental to her career that she rightfully deserved.
Hahaha what are the general traits of Pisces? But yea, I mean idk if she really expected the results to come out like that considering her bold statement of leaving the group if she did anything wrong. But yea, if she ever did come back, she would get a wave of attention. Not sure how long it would have to be to properly kinda shake this from her image for the msot part because for sure she won't be able to remove it completely
I think SK needs to make it law that if a person or news outlet is going to publish accusations explicitly naming someone as the perpetrator, a police report is required to be lodged by the victim and produced. If you're willing to say it you damn well better be able to prove it. Because I'm kind of tired of this whole ignoring me or having an argument with me or doing something I don't like but is not harming me...is bullying. None of that is school violence.
Yea, I mean specifically with SK, they need to treat false reporting a bit more serious. Those are the only clear like you did wrong and shoud be punished to make a statement in regards to fake victims. But as for school violence, it might be a "our culture" thing where we just have diff perspective on school violence and bullying which get intertwined for a lot of cases of bullying in SK.
Bullying is being used so broadly that the word has lost its meaning. I’m sure that everyone has had friendships end on bad terms as children especially because kids are emotionally immature and don’t have well developed interpersonal skills. If any bad social interaction is reframed as intentional bullying then you could have both sides truly believe that they were a victim. If a shy child doesn’t reciprocate when others try to talk to them, does that make them a bully? It just seems like people are quick to assume malicious intent and cast others as bullies when in reality kids are just dumb and still learning how to be people.
You should do kim garam next the more recent bullying scandal
Doing this video, I defs felt a strong sense that I needed to do it justice in being accurate so I was literally scared that I would have made any mistakes. But yea, I'll defs take a look into it. I've seen some do coverage on that case but unsure if it was the full case or if it was as more things were coming out.
i miss soojin smm........ :/
Same but I know she’ll comeback as a soloist
@user-so5jo5bv7o Yea, she really was a prominent figure in terms of adding oomph to G-Idle's stage presence.
@gwenmloveskpopcecmore It might be fresh and with their not being a clear verdict, debuting solo would be risky for sure.
After two years, i still missed Soojin so so much. Why people want to destroy her dreams? Why S.Korean don't want to find a job and improve their life. Instead this people want to destroy Soojin life and dream. If they are dare, they should come out and show their face.
Yea, I mean bullying is such a serious matter in South Korea so they don't take it lightly. Plus just the natural assumption that you never think people would lie about bullying and then to add to that, multiple stories were coming out about her so it just made her look really bad overall. But yea, I mean the minute a story got disproven, why wasn't there a big "hold up" and think about let's stay neutral or lets think critically
Like Hyuna, I think Seojin has that special charisma and talent that would be great soloist. I really hope she got away from Cube and able to start a fresh career
Yea, will kinda take some time for her to start up as a soloist if she even wants to. But yea, she'll get some support and if not, her stage presence cannot be denied so she'll be able to capture attention
I wish soojin could come back, jimin did so I still think there’s hope
Yeah as a soloist ofc but we’ll have to wait cuz it took her a while too
@kyla8386 I guess so. The only issue is that there was a whole image change with Jimin. She actually had pretty damming evidence released to prove she was as evil as Mina depicted it. Mina continue to dig herself into a whole as we got evidence that Mina wasn't really the victim she had made herself out to be. Whereas Soojin is still kinda at a stalemate in which this bullying image still lingers especially in Korea which would be her core demographic she would aim for.
@gwenmloveskpopcecmore I mean also the mental exhaustion of what she had to go through is another factor to consider. Considering what she has gone through, it'll also take time to even wanna go out in public like that too. Every new steps will be heavily reported and the trolls will continue to bombard her too. Unless there's kinda an easier transition, she might just be content with living reclusively without media interference.
@@cloudchungxiao yeah
I remember telling my fellow Soojin stan friend this point, but she told me that it's not exactly the same since Jimin's vindication was much more well publicized :/
this is the first time i've seen someone get it right. i always see kpop stans say "soojin was declared innocent" when she never was
Yea, people were going hard for either she's innocent or guilty. Despite all the evidence that is out there, all we can confidently say is that she is neither on a legal stance.
@@cloudchungxiao Not entirely correct in a legal sense. Innocent till proven guilty is still a thing legally.
Ohh yea, that's true; you right. I was referring to the ability to prove one side legally in that it hasn't properly happened in a legal sense. So that obviously means that she should stay innocent until proven guilty but unfortunately the heightened issue of crimes has made a good chunk of societal assumption that you're guilty until proven innocent which is so terrible.
@@cloudchungxiao She cannot be innocent or guilty because she never was really judged. She was defamed in social media, roasted by the public and dumped by her company withouth possibility of defense. During ancient times she would have been accused of being a witch and would have been sacrificied by the mob.
I mean yea, they never appeared in a court to get judged but social media really made things worse and heightened everything to negatively imapct her. Based on just the results from Soojin and her lawyer's agreed decision, it just seems like they're at a moot point.
I think that even if Cube BEGGED Soojin to come back in their company, she wouldn't accept.
The only way we might see a reunion of Idle would be if Soojin joins another agency as a soloist, gets famous, and that's when Cube might accept her having some activities with Idle. That's basically how 2PM works now (although they were a JYP) group, some members have left the company/are under another one, but they can still have comebacks together, perform together, go on variety shows as "2PM", etc...
Another way would be waiting until the contracts of the 5 other members expire, and until they join another agency (or until they themselves create their own)
Yea, I mean they have a little under two years left I think so it'll lowkey go by fast. But yea, Cube wouldn't beg Soojin back even if the results were in her favor in the end. G-Idle went on to thrive still so it's not like they're losing much in regret if they're maybe making more money with on less member.
I really miss her so much, it was already proven it was false, I hope our girl comes back soon, I will wait for her, I hope those accusers and Seo Shinae lose everything
Only some things have been proven false whereas nothing has been proven true. It's really that unfortunate throw out allegations that evidence would be hard to properly find and so now she's stuck with allegations that she can't really completely remove.
SHES BACK AGAIN!!!❤❤❤
Holy moly, I thought she announced a comeback hahaha. But yea, she debuted :)
my fave girl 😢
It really is unfortunate though :(
it is really a shame that we live in a world where people don't just wait until enough information gets released to form a reasonable conclusion or when the whole case gets resolved. I kept tabs on the case as it was happening with a neutral stance. I was a bit suspicious when the accuser decided to come out with it now rather than the very beginning of Soojin's trainee days. She waited until IDLE was really at the tips of the peak to drop it.
I believe in second chances in most cases if the person themselves proves they are a better person now than back then. And I've seen enough fan interactions with Soojin as well as stories of her with the other members to be convinced that she really is not the person she was at 13. Heck, Soojin's behaviour throughout the entire ordeal just shows that she's moreso innocent than guilty, and I do give her credit for the honesty and professionalism. Even if she did made some poor decisions in her youth and did admit to making mistakes, to me, her time in GIDLE and how others spoke of her shows how much she has changed for the better since her school days.
The public reaction really didn't help imo.
I do hope that Soojin is doing fine now. I like how GIDLE whether intentional or not puts some sort of reference to her. Do I think she can return to stardom? I actually do but it's unlikely. However we have seen some cases where serious accsued idols do bounce back to much warm reception; T-ARA is a prime example. I believe one AOA member who was originally accused of bullying but turned out to be a victim is making her comeback (pray that reception is kind to her if true). No doubt Soojin is keeping contact with her former members but more underground so to speak
Yea, its that confusing thing where if she was a bully, I guess motive is an important thing. Because the victims would like accountability as opposed to just being changed because that's like one of those things where you may wonder whether they changed to be famous or whether they actually like reformed. But yea, the whole jumping on every new article and making a whole firestorm didn't help. Everything was coming out and I was there and missed out on certain articles and reportings that would have influenced my decision differently too.
But yea, as for her comeback I would be keen to see where she wants to go. I mean T-Ara had a proper uno reverse where the bullying contreversy got turned to where we saw the victim became the perpetrator. As for AOA, idk if Jimin was necessarily a victim, it was just more other factors but a lot of experiencing things differently that caused the slight riff that Mina felt.
@@cloudchungxiao I like you mention the case of AOA because beyond the cases where there is malice in the intentions to sink the career of another person, caused by some old vendetta... there are also the cases where people just do not connect and their interactions just cause stress, and then it depends how each one interpret the situation.
Accussers always hint but never explain or when they do, the horrendous crime turns to be so meaningless that I wouldn't dare to call that bullying, not in the sense people in the west would consider bullying. But always is the mob dynamic of the netizens what caused the new bullying among adults, no longer school issues. And also puts the accused in a defenceless position because he's under public judgement with no chance of a fair trial.
Yea; we really are a reactive society where we need to instantly react or that's a statement in itself to some people. The mob mentality without critical thinking puts the alleged perpetrator through an instant guilty verdict when for the most part; all laws in most countries have had it the other way around in which innocent until proven guilty. There is just no fairness that is felt considering what has come out and how different people interpret the information given to them
The only victim in this is Soojin. Cancel culture won.
Yea, cancel culture went a little too ham considering the evidence that was laid out on both ends. We're quick to react then to actually wait to get more and proper info
i never believed in it, soojin is not a person who would do that. I don't even want to imagine how bad it hurt soojin cuz I'm a ot6 and i love all gidle members....it just broke my heart...i cried for months and months and tried being out of kpop until gidle had a comeback with tomboy. I hate seo shin-ae. Not a very noble thing to do. But the least she could do was clarify that soojin wasnt the part of her bullying case. Makes me even wonder if she even got bullied cuz if that pain was true, she would never let netizens bully soojin and the company to get her kicked out of the group. You don't let bad things happen to others if they happen to you if you are a good human. And even if she got bullied or whatever, i have no respect, compassion , empathy , pity on her. She accused soojin and made it worse. Even if she was bullied, she is no better than a bully nor is she even a human for letting people bite soojin like that.
SEO SHIN AE IS A BULLY FOR THAT.
I mean yea, idk what would sound reasonable. Like if you're a victim of bully, is it okay then to bully too. Or what's an appropriate response because that's what online people love to do. Like once Knetz hear of controversies or bullying allegations, they then begin to bully back the people which its like are you any different then? Like I get justice, but that really isn't the only way.
She truly deserved better it's insane, i am proud she came back!!! I will be here for her new chapter in life and will be supporting her ❤
Yesss, can't wait for more from her. Not too sure about the complete reception of her in Korea to do more promotions but hopefully we get to see more content from her.
#justiceforsoojin
Actually though, I mean obviously there is no real victorious outcome but the real question is how is there even gonna be one when this allegedly happen so long ago.
@@cloudchungxiao yes, I understand. It’s a hashtag that….”collects”? ….all this material together that I and others find.
Ohh really? Is this on twitter or most social media accounts?
@@cloudchungxiao it act like a link, it should be in blue, just touch or click it.
Ohh jk you mean on TH-cam.
I love gidle, but I dont really have a bias. I wasnt into kpop when Soojin was kicked out but I feel like if she was still in Gidle she would be my bias. We have a lot in common and she seems very lovable.
Yea, I mean her being in G-idle still, i do wonder how much more attention G-idle may have gotten just because of how well she would have attracted more viewers with her stage presence just because she would have suited the concepts well.
Like what do these trolls expect people to do? Strap everyone up with dual bodycams and keep all the footage forever so you can prove if you did or didn't step on a crack in the sidewalk 8 years ago?
All of these bullying accusations make me mad, as a victim of extensive social bullying I think it's dangerous to label every "incident" as school violence.
There's a huge difference between actual violence (eg The Glory) and social bullying.
My bullies decided in preschool that I wasn't allowed to befriend anyone in our grade. I spent 6 years at that first school absolutely miserable from having no friends and being made fun of for having acne, running slow, having a disabled brother etc. Those girls never did anything violent towards me, yes the bullying permanently shaped me as a person, but I'm not out here looking up where they all work now and trying to get them fired. You just have to hope they have become better people.
Any incidents of actual violence should have been handled properly by the school and police and parents and if it wasn't, the blame should be on the authorities. Put them on blast if you felt your bullying wasn't dealt with properly! They failed their duty of care!
But no these accusations that keep pouring out are clearly only looking to damage reputations and get attention and maybe money. If they sought justice they would have contacted lawyers, the old schools, police etc.
Oh and wasn't there an exposed secret chat room several months ago that literally orchestrated online attacks on certain idols? I wouldn't be surprised if many of these accusations are coming from these troll farms with no validity at all
Not sure about the realities considering I never lived in Korea but it seems like the social expectation and cultural differences might explain how bullying can be heightened compared to how we may know and experience the same concept. But yea, such a weird thing to say but I think bullying is on a sort of spectrum and Korean may have a lower tolerance for many forms.
As for the secret chat room, nah never heard that. Were there names being thrown around and was it reported much?
I keep wondering about one thing, why did the victims not report the bullying immediatly? Sojin was active for several years. Maybe i am reading too much into this but it almost seems like they were collecting info and trying to remember middle school just to finally put an idol down. I am not defending anyone just the time these victims take to report keeps me wondering.
Yea, I mean a lot of victims are too afraid and almost "silenced" to ever be able to speak out about their injustices. But yea, that too for certain people. Especially C's sister. Like to hear all of the things that had happen and to wait so long to finally speak out. Like if you could grab the phone during their phone argument why not keep any of this documented or have some evidence to report and protect your sister. Plus, I would get during a debut because that's when the memories might get brought back but to take this long too. Like G-Idle was an instant hit during their rookie days so why not something then. Idk, it's hard to kinda expect anyone to come out with their story if they have been supressed and "beaten" down too. It's all jsut one whole mess
Already 2 YEARS?! WHAT?
Ikr, like literally how has time gone by so fast
If Soojin was a victim of bullying in school, how interesting would it be if those same people continued bullying her as an idol? I mean, there's no way to prove it, but I do wonder if that could be why there were so many false or unprovavlw allegations.
Honestly though; they could be bitter that the person they bullied was out here thriving. There really isn't a correlation to the people who made false allegations so idk; it's probably some fame hungry people thrown in the mix.
@@cloudchungxiao that's a fair point, I don't mean to spread anything or falsely speculate. I was just considering how horribly toxic the bullies in South Korea can be is all.
Nah that's alright. Feel free to discuss your opinions; just as long as they are clearly opinions or speculations. But yea, Idk how legit this is but I've been hearing that the netflix show, The glory, has been praised for its relatively realistic depction which if true kinda explain the severity of bullying and why people go hard on those who do.
I know culture is important but it's so weird to me that people come around talking about middle school. Even if it's true, which it almost never is, so what? We don't hold children responsible for their actions (are you the same person you were in middle school?) the idols don't get much of a chance to give their sides and it's never a "The Glory" situation, it's always something that doesn't even matter anyway. If you're still super cut up because someone cursed at you in middle school, you have bigger issues than an idol.
Yea, some of the acts were weird like riding a motorcycle with older dudes??? Plus Korea is up there in hierarchy, suicide rates, and education being extremely valued that it could honestly turn into a competition. Like these factors can help explain variations in cultures with others and might even explain why it can become a psychological minefield. Obviously these might be rare occurrences but yea I think its a mixture of ensuring accountability and understanding the remorse felt because theres kinda been no justice if they were a true victim. But this should obviously only be in instances where the act warrants the need for that form of accountability.
Never watched Gidle when Soojin was in the group, but just listening to all this you can't help but laugh out loud. Who on earth would ever bring up smoking, unless they literally had nothing on another person. I think cube kicking out Soojin sets a dangerous precendent, in which any anonymous person online can repeatedly make claims on anyone they deem to be a villian in a kpop group, something we see literally all the time, just to get them fired. Neither Cube nor Soojin should have ever responded to any of this. In america this would be laughed at.
Yea; it's a real different culture thing that sometimes I can't even understand slightly. Bullying is viewed way different and treated differently too. I think Cube definitely followed the money for the most part because these allegations could have stained G-Idle and even Cube despite the lack of any real evidence. However, because of the severity of bullying; it's almost like a zero tolerance thing where only a very small amount of korean fans would continue to support them.
Soojin is that GIRL that's why they wanted to take her down!
But also I think she left cube herself
Oooo, maybe honestly. She either left because Cube was barely doing anything or she just knew that it wasn't gonna be in her favor as in getting completely cleared so she knew her career was not gonna happen or Cube pulled the trigger first and just wanted to remove ASAP once the not guilty verdict came out because they've also drop the ball with artist management.
@@cloudchungxiao - When this happened (Soojin stepping back from the group), I was pretty involved in forums with a good number of Koreans who were supporting Soojin. They were telling me, and yes it's hearsay but I believe it because it makes the most sense, that the wave of hatred had filtered down from the mob beginning to send hate statements to the members, and the members' families. Soojin could deal with the hatred directed toward herself, but when the hatred began to spread to the members and their family members, Soojin had to make a decision, and Soojin always protects the members. It was the most selfless and noble act, giving up your career for your friends. I don't know many people who would care that much about their friends to give up their entire career for them. So again, it's not like anyone I spoke with had any type of inside information, but more than a few people had told me that was the situation. Everyone just thought Cube was going to wait it out and take care of Soojin until she was justified. We never thought that Cube would dump her like they did the following March, and I think the members felt the same way, as that is about when the members started distancing themselves from Cube.
Yea, I mean Cube kinda stuck by her considering they waited for a verdict before dropping her. But yea, that theory does also kinda make sense.I mean obviously not sure if that actually happened but it really was a mess that exploded into million bits of pieces
from the info we have at the 5 min mark, it's just teenage girls being bitches to eachother.
It's really a difference in opinion i guess. Not for me, but the way people interpret stuff can vary. Like how Soojin sees it vs the victim can be different despite literally both experiencing the same thing. It's these complexities that make this stuff hard because why give stronger weighting to either
Soojin was one of the most unproblematic, truly talented idols. She deserves so much better. I still think about her all the time and wish her the best.
Yea, literally the last thing I can vaguely remember before all this happened was that V-Live that she did in which she ended it early because of malicious commentors. Like that's not really evidence but I swear if she was a bully, she wouldn't have reacted like that.
happy birthday soojin 💔🌿
Omg, yea I saw her name trending on twitter recently. It feels so strange that it's kinda been so long in what feels like such a short amount of time
Спасибо за правдивый разбор ситуации с нашей малышкой Су.
Thanks, I really tried to do the best with making sure I have the facts laid out
Your audio is so low. Cant you increase your volume?
Yea, I'm not sure how to get a consistent volume throughout all my videos. It sounds loud when editing and then when it gets exported, it goes down?? But is the audio difference in comparison to other videos you watch where you have to increase it on mines?
@@cloudchungxiao I can only watch your video with headphones on, and there are lots of other channels I can watch on my laptop audio. 😥😥
Ohh right, will try to fix that issue for future videos. I've been trying to test my recording equipment to see what it sounds like from certain distance. I feel like if I'm too close, it gives of ASMR vibes like real in your face but might be the only kinda way to get clearer and stronger audio until I can upgrade my mic. But yea, thanks for the feedback :)
@@cloudchungxiao no problem, thanks for caring! ❤
Yea, should be trialing soon and hopefully the next videos sound better on laptop audio
it’s so sad, she would have KILLED the nxde era still love gidle but it’s not the same without her :(
Nxde and even Tomboy. But yea, there were some theories about how potentially post Cube, they could come back as OT6 which would be so dope.
Please, does anyone know how I can translate this into Spanish? or find this in text form? TTTTTTTT
Hey, don't know much spanish or have any in my close proximity to help with that. Once I start to grow more though, I'll try to potentially outsource some subtitles but at the moment there's not much I can do sorry.
@@cloudchungxiao okay, I'm amazed to see someone speaking for Soojin, I hope more people see this video :c
Based on the comment section, it seems like she's still got so much supporters so that's a good sign
i think this feature only works on the web browser version of TH-cam, but you can go to settings (bottom right corner of the video), captions, auto-translate, then spanish. it might not be accurate, as the text is autogenerated though.
Yea; that defs is not accurate and I feel like it wouldn't do justice to have subtitles that don't make much sense
also dont discount how much articles of support were buried and the reporter is under investigation
Actually though, media manipulation at its finest. Like if the support was published out like the alleged victim's story, this case would have been way more complicated for netizens and it wouldn't have been one-sided. But it's all about the clicks and infamy from milking people's suffering
And this is why we ALWAYS have to stay neutral.
Yea, our society is so reactive.
Shin Ae is a career assassin.
Honestly feels like it.
Yet most Koreans continue to see her as guilty.
Its kinda mix. I think maybe general public have associated her with guilty just because they were played by media manipulation but with people who looked into the case, it's like slightly positive but also some are still side eying her a little
@@cloudchungxiao Netizens don’t even bother to check the latest updates nor even want to believe that they’re innocent.
Yea, that's kinda true. Might even be alot of netizens with inferior complex so they like to disregard truth for making themselves feel better by justifying their hatred on other people
I hate how accusations can just end someone's career. Especially ones where you can't prove anything. The legal system isn't perfect, but if you have the balls to take someone to court, there should be some repercussions. Soojin is innocent. Their comeback was so successful others including that shameless actress and the stupid journalists milked it and Soojin took the fall. I guess I shouldn't be korean media can also be stupid and manipulative.
Yea, it's hard when certain cases like these where you can't prove anything because of how long it's been. Like you don't want to discredit an actual victim but also you don't want to villainies' someone who may not have done it so like actually what's next.
Its actually scary and unreal for me that shin ae looks like the girl that bullied me…
Hahaha that's real weird
you can't get thrombocytopenia from stress, idk why that wasn't looked into further tbh.
Yea, I mean it's one of those things where people hear sad stories and are easily inclined to believe. Throw out some health condition and that will make it more realistic without really proving anything properly
Soojin deserves better. CUBE can make up for throwing her under the bus by doing the right thing and let her rejoin her group. Karma will take care of Seo Shin-ae and the alphabet accusers. Hopefully Soojin will be around to see it. #alwayswithsoojin
I'm not sure if Cube thinks they did much wrong. I mean regardless, G-Idle are still thriving without Soojin so Cube thinks it's justified and probably doesn't regret much considering the legal verdict is not really definitive. But yea, it would be so cool if we got like some rendition with Soojin in Tomboy and Nxde though
Pannchoa, the korean blog which got the big part of soojin's scandal at the time got sued and closed
So, I hope SSA got sued next and this case came into the light
Wait really? It seems to be still be up. Did you get it confused with Sojang who is in a legal battle-ish (not sure if they still are). As for SSA, I feel like Soojin might want to kinda put that behind her. Like based on what she has gone through; there doesn't seem to be anything definitive that would make it worth for her to re-open all this.
@@cloudchungxiao Nope. I'm not confused tho. The news is last April. You can check it out
Unfortunately, that web got back again
Sorry I am new to K-pop but let me see if I understand this correctly, all of this drama is from a claim that Soojin "bullied" her in middle school? So that mean's it would have happened almost 10 yrs ago (Soojin 24) and she discribed being "bullied" as making personal attacks at her and laughing behind her back. Why/how is this even taken seriously? are people so emotionally weak and soft now that words from ten yrs ago are to much to handle? Even worse is people allow it to happen, Guess what life isn't perfect and if you let other peoples words bother you that much all your doing is giving them power over you. So weird.
Yea, I mean there really are cultural difference and that's caused the experience they go through vs how we go through things way different. Definitely personally wouldn't care as much but bullying is pretty up there in offences that can ruin an idol's career. But yea, sadly she isn't the only one to fall victim to bullying accusations in school that may or may not be false.
I think Seo Shin-Ae accusing Soojin of being a bully was a huge strike against Soojin's career in G-Idle. When a respected public figure wrongfully calls out another person they are doomed, the Korean public will most likely side with the accuser and then there's little hope for the accused of being cleared of the wrongful accusations made about and saved from their downfall. Look at T-ara's bullying scandal, Jimin and Mina from AOA, Kim Garam in Le Sserafim..Poor Soojin. She did not deserve to have what she worked hard for passionately for years for, snatched away from her over lies.
Yea, I mean there because in a legal sense neither are in the right or wrong due to the lack of evidence, I guess its really up to potential evidence releases or even statements that flat out say otherwise. But yea, Seo Shin-Ae was an important figure in kinda shifting the verdict without actually providing anything. It really was the accumulated trust from being in the limelight that people thought that she would not tell a lie
She was the only reason I was into gidle now I don’t rrly stan em. After she left their music streams went up but the music didn’t
Yea, I mean music is all subjective for sure. But yea, personally I really like their music after she left but also I could so totally see her fitting in the concepts too so it would have been extra flavour and extra attention potentially.
Everything was ripped from this girl I hate cube and people need to stop giving them money even if that means stop supporting g-idle.
That'll be hard for sure. Despite what cube has done; they do have some pretty great groups and it's not like they're in a Loona situation where they aren't really making money. It's like we hope they getting enough money to feel like they can leave cube ASAP
We love Soojin!! Always will!
Yesss, so happy that she opened up her IG
I hope she waits until after gidles contracts ends to come back to the public and we can have our big happy family back together ❤❤❤
Lowkey would be nice. How likely do you think this will happen though? I think international fans would advocate for this but the Korean audience though ... it's a real 50/50 thing
@cloudchungxiao I think it's really likely because of the never die album. It shows how much the girls think of themselves as 6, no matter what happens. I also think and hope that the song "Villian Dies" shows Soojin's career never died, and she is just slowly regaining her health and well-being before returning to us.
Ohh for sure, I think the group still would honestly consider themselves OT6 if it wasn't so divisive but the thing is whether there would be a strong enough audience to continue to support them both internationally and domestically. Like consider the high highs that they are riding, hopefully, there's not like that severe of an outrage to just destroy all that momentum
justice for soojin
Hopefully her comeback continues to do numbers with her being able to openly promote more
@@cloudchungxiao i do really like her song and yes i agree 🤍
Great to see she's doing a fanconcert in oceania, but they've already cancelled one event so not sure what's happening. Do you think she should continue in the same music direction?
Bring back (S)O-ojin!!!
It would be cool if she reappeared somehow
It's time Cube let Soojin come back to (G)-Idle, they would make so much money, they wouldn't know what to do. Idle should time their next comeback with Soojin rejoining them.
It's sucha big risk unfortunately. Like depending on the market, since some of her claims are fully disproven plus depending on what people have seen from the case, G-Idle might face more backlash to consider it worth it. Plus Cube's doing fine without Soojin so they probably don't feel like they even have to risk any potential bad press
Well said.
I hope HELL is real and built specifically for Seo Shitaeter
It's the way she's lowkey dipped from the industry too. Really haven't heard much about her
I personally do not care for Soojin as she never interested me as a member; she was boring to me/never caught my eye. However, I will say that she was talented as fuck!! Her voice was so damn seductive and her stage presence was *it*.
I will say one thing though, the kpop industry is hilarious as fuck. I’m not surprised that Soojin got kicked out (whether the rumours are true or not, idk as I’m still watching the video), bc of how stupid the industry is. I mean, you can get into trouble for not even bowing, waving a different country flag, breaking the thing that hits the drums or not ever smiling. It’s beyond a joke tbh. I wonder what Soojin is upto now, these days…
Ohh yea, I think Soojin's personality would have been very hit or miss considering she was more quiet and reserved compared to the foreign line of G-Idle. But yea, that's one thing you cannot deny; Soojin's stage presence was so captivating. But yea, also can see why Soojin left even with no complete definitive answer to what happened. Image is so important and so not being to clear things up properly left a stain that I guess Cube was not willing to support because they would be negatively impacted. But yea, even your examples; Kpop has so much hypocrisy to it that you're almost walking on eggshells to accommodate the masses who all think differently
Soojin herself stated that "If she was guilty, she would leave the group."
Now she's gone.
That told me everything I needed to know.
Really, Just that one statement from the really prolonged media attention that Soojin's case got?
@@cloudchungxiao Yup.
That one statement from Soojin said it all. That was all the information I required.
Ahh okay, sure. I mean if that’s all it takes then sure I guess
@cloudchungxiao Is her word right from her own mouth not good enough for you?
I mean the contradictions from the many alleged victim's statement should matter too. Doesn't clear Soojin completely because some are at moot but that should give some red flags that it's not that easy; case closed.
Seo Bullin
You don't believe in Soojin as much?
@@cloudchungxiao you are like Soojin is sweetest innocent wouldnt lie.
Blined kpop fans
@@nulseulah6700 I did feel like this a bit while watching the opinion parts tbh. I'm really confused about this case and still not sure I understand everything but I'd like to see screenshots of Soojin's and other ppl's posts about the incident in this video with translations. Finished watching and still confused 😅
I want to believe Soojin, high chance things are getting blown out of proportion here but there must be some truth to all of this too. I don't blindly believe idols are perfect human beings and the way they present themselves may not be their true self so who knows?
I mean I wouldn't say she wouldn't lie and I'm not saying she's completely innocent but she hasn't been properly proven to be a bully with any valid evidence. Similar to how you're blinded into believing Soojin is a bully without proper evidence, we all have our opinion which doesn't mean either is right or wrong because we can't with the lack of evidence.
As for the translations and timeline, it's in the description. My main takeaway from this video wasn't that Soojin was innocent. It's that everyone is quick to react despite the amount of fake victims that would arise from this case. Legally it would be innocent until proven guilty so people can claim that. But even if you don't vibe with that statement, you can't really find evidence properly proving she was a bully so it's all hearsay which neither should have greater weighting in their voice overpowering the other. Thus, neutrality is all you can do and I guess just avoid the topic if you feel like you don't know how to view this. The reason why I lean towards more Soojin's side is because of the amount of hate and negative impact that has happened in her life considering what has been used as evidence to prove anything.
@@cloudchungxiao No, I agree with you on this, Soojin shouldn't have left the group and this shouldn't have costed her career. The amount of hate she's getting is not justified. I'm also not saying she's a bully, I'm saying I wouldn't know cause I dont know her personally.
I've been through this with Jimin from AOA, she was my bias and most of us had no idea who she was when she wasn't on camera. Though there is clear evidence for that so it's not the same but that opened my eyes to seeing how many idols are probably just putting on a persona for their job cause kpop industry is so ruthless to anything but a cookie cutter perfect personality when it comes to idols.
Now, I dont believe the "victims" are telling the whole truth, it does sound like a smear campaign but still there must be something that went down for them to come after Soojin like that. Was it worth the amount of media attention this got? Probably not, but I do think there's a good chance both sides were at fault when they were young and whether that should carry over to their adult lives is a whole another issue.