It's good to see Hydrogen Fuel Cell cars are competitive. Producing H2 cleanly and cheaply is the key to embracing this technology. Separating H2 from H20 requires a lot of electricity. In the US, hydrogen gas is currently made from burning fossil fuels, until H2 can be made with much less energy the pollution is just moved to the factory.
There is a NOVA program from the 90's about using Hydrogen in cars - a truly excellent pro/con presentation. The biggest hurtle, was that nobody could agree on the method for storage (Gas in Hydride, Compressed, Liquid etc.), or if to be used in fuel cells or burned, and basically, Hydrogen is safer than gasoline, as when a tank is ruptured, the gas rises in the air, instead of pooling on the ground.
But when one of those hydrogen 10,000 PSI containers blow up it mimics a very serious explosion. Lots of broo-ha-ha about the benefits of hydrogen but the existing technology and infrastructure doesn't economically support it for now. Currently these videos are marketing tools about something that does not yet exist.
Lack of imagination, that is why. The creators of the new vehicles cannot imagine that anyone would want an electric car that looks like a normal sedan.
In it's in the agreement the car maker makes with Big Oil. Don't worry, in a few years they will claim no one wants hydrogen cars, and promptly demolish them all.
I’d like to get this car, simply because I’m 1. A Chemistry Nerd, but more importantly 2. A young car enthusiast, and I doubt many of these cars will be made, so I’ll take one.
"Much longer range": EPA-range: Tesla Model S: 373 miles Tesla Model 3 LR: 334 miles Toyota Mirai: 312 miles I suppose, fuel cell cars will be a part of the future, but just as a supplement to battery electric cars. Probably there will also be plug-in-hybrids like the Mercedes GLC f-cell.
at today's battery technology standards fuel cell is a better idea, the batteries in electric cars are heavy and costly and not eco-friendly. All we have to do is put in the desert a few thousands of hectares of solar panels and then start producing hydrogen. This could be a job that the Arabs can do in order to maintain their control over fuel production and also because they have the cash to make such a large investment.
nightmare in action not really but hydrogen needs oxygen to explode and hydrogen tanks have between very very little oxygen to no oxygen so in that case the hydrogen won’t explode.
I could be wrong, but it would seem to me that having the fuel cell and its associated tank in a small aerodynamic trailer would make far more sense. First of all you would not be hauling around a fuel cell when the charge in the car's battery is sufficient. If the fuel cell trailer could feed electricity to the car's battery through the hitch then connecting the two together would be easy. If planning a trip longer than the capacity of the battery, then buy or rent one of these fuel cell trailers. Long delays while waiting for the battery to charge up would be eliminated. Trailer could also be designed to self steer when backing up. Since a small part of the average car's usage is long trips having smaller batteries should make future EV's more affordable.
so why is it ONLY as cheap as petrol or diesel ? should it not be a lot cheaper considering the lack of transport and refining costs via ships and tankers ?
I would jump the ship, but the availability of stations is a problem, We bought BMW 225XE instead and we wait to see where the future will go. Efficiency will improve in 5 years, but for now I pay less taxes.
I've read that it isn't a great leap to consider that the water-to-hydrogen converter can be installed in the car. Then one could pour a glass of water into the converter and drive some hundreds of miles. But, of course, this would cause a huge financial change with thousands of filling stations not being required. Does anyone know if having a converter in the car is true and that it is not a huge leap?
Problem is, the energy required to break the water into hydrogen and oxygen would be greater than what you'd get back when you used the hydrogen fuel. So you'd do better to just run the car on it, instead.
actually not anymore, we can use less energy through electrolysis with PEM technology. uses less energy. but also as you may use salt related solution can split water with less energy except that the electrode will have much corrosion faster than anticipated and that requires more materials. per now PEM and some other like it can produce 1Kg/Hr with 18kwh and 1kg can drive you more miles
they are both the future. one thing is for sure that we as humans must limit internal combustion as much as we can. not only it has a low efficiency but also it contributes to the climate change, no.1 world's problem.
its very intresting to see how a hydrogen works but in my opinion i think the future is with a hybrid engine and of course full electric cars for now... but yea after lets say 30 years maybe the hydrogen will prevail
I wish hydrogen fuel cell cars were more readily available throughout the UK. Their are only about 3 hydrogen models available here and most hydrogen fuel filling stations are in the south east of England. I would like to see some of these car manufacturers offer a service to convert a petrol or diesel engined car to a hydrogen fuel celled car. That might be more cost effective compared to manufacturing an entire new car. This would help drive the demand for hydrogen which would then eventually drive demand for brand new cars to be hydrogen fuel celled cars. Hydrogen fuel would have to be made more readily available throughout the UK as the demand increases. I for one would love to own a hydrogen fuel celled car and I would be happy to recommend anybody to have one.
@@Simon-dm8zv Perhaps not in some cases. I know of some businesses that convert older cars to fully electric. I thought perhaps a hydrogen conversion could be done too.
@@Mr_Chris__ I know these companies too. It is fantastic, but very expensive compared to current electric car prices. Hydrogen can be done too but is more complicated and probably not cheaper. Apart from that, the horrible efficiency of a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle makes it very expensive to drive and not as effective as a battery electric car when it comes to reducing emissions per km.
How much did he say you get paid for owning one?. Scotland got the best deal with a total of one gas station to the whole of England Wales and N Ireland 5. When they double the amount of gas stations the cars will take off.
About 95% of Hydrogen production is from natural gas and the significant byproduct of that process is carbon monoxide. So that's a really bad idea from an environmental standpoint. Production via hydrolysis is equally problematic as it is very inefficient with only 25% of the electrical energy input realised from the resulting hydrogen fuel. Given the huge infrastructure investment required (literally trillions) for production, distribution, fuel stations etc and taking into account the current and forthcoming tech advances for battery EVs then hydrogen is basically dead in the water. Very few of us will be driving hydrogen vehicles in the future.
The hydrolysis (which is closer to 50% not 25%) is not wasteful if the manner in which it is done is through renewable energy or even nuclear. Batteries are more effective in perfect conditions but let say under warm weather yeah there goes 20% or under very cold weather there goes another 40% efficiency. Batteries have a short life span compared to fuel cells and batteries are heavy and you need a lot of them to get reasonable distance. Then we have the fact we do not have enough minerals for actually either technology to supply everybody with cars. Happily in a hydrogen focused world we can convert cars cheaper and cheaper to run on liquid hydrogen instead of gasoline. Hydrogen has a future, battery technology does in small applications or even small city cars but not as a single car propelling system for the world.
V.J.W. N So even by your optimistic estimate hydrolysis throws away half of the energy input to make hydrogen gas. Then the gas must be massively compressed to 10,000psi in order to fit a practical amount into a vehicle fuel tank. Compressing the gas of course wastes another huge chunk of energy. But this is mostly irrelevant given that 95% of all hydrogen is made from natural gas via steam reforming producing significant carbon monoxide as a byproduct. Which means that it isn't even a viable clean fuel. On battery life latest real world examples are showing only 6% degradation in capacity after 100,000 miles driven over 5 years. So basically the battery will probably outlast the car. On battery weight, the Chevy Bolt with a range of 280 miles is faster and has much better acceleration than a Toyota Mirai fuel cell car which is actually heavier and a lower range of 250 miles. The Mirai is also currently selling for twice the price of a Chevy Bolt. Just about anyone can buy a Chevy Bolt right now and recharge it at home, overnight, whilst sleeping. The charge waiting time therefore effectively being nil. If you buy a Mirai you definitely won't be able to refuel it at home and since there is almost no hydrogen fuel infrastructure you probably will be nowhere near a hydrogen gas station to drive to and pay whatever the big oil corporation is charging that day for fuel. All of these factors are probably why there are millions of electric vehicles on the roads already but only about 10,000 hydrogen cars world wide.
@@UberDang " recharge it at home, overnight, whilst sleeping"... In most cases that also means coal burned to recharge said battery. "So basically the battery will probably outlast the car": only in certain areas... if the temperature is steady, and the power requirement (read distance driven) is more or less the same, then a 6% degradation might well be within the standarts, that means city cars... If we change loads, have shifting temps, and drives longer between recharges, then you will see a big spike in degradation. How it affects Hydrogen cars I don't really know, because I have not looked. But claiming that electric battery cars are "way more eco friendly" is not really true, simply due to the time energy is spent to recharge the cars (nighttime, where solar energy is limited in effect). Personally I think the Hydrogen car has a better future than the pure electric cars, in overall effect... But battling what is best is probably a pointless exercise, given nothing says both can't be working at the same time.
See the problem is the over complication of this vehicle we need to use an internal combustion engine but instead of using gasoline or diesel we use hydrogen gas we just have to develop technology to safely store it they would run pretty much like a propane forklift does or propane powered vehicle but instead of propane it would be hydrogen this should be the future it would keep the cost down and allow people to convert your standard conventional automobile
HHO is silly, it is two gases Hydrogen and Oxygen in the SAME VESSEL, another name for it is a BOMB. You never store your fuel and oxidizer in the same tank unless it is in the form of stable solids like in solid rocket boosters. It is an accident waiting to happen. Basic chemistry.
EVs, PHEVS and fcevs are NOT zero emissions. Every human activity involves expenditure of energy and that has to come from somewhere whether making H2 or electricity. Even wind farms emit 25g/kWh due to construction & maintenance. UK now burning 40% more imported fossil gas to make electricity since 2015. The next problem will be fracking including methane release.
this should be the future, i f anyone is against this... then you are benefiting yourself by monopolizing the world on petrol / diesel, coz you very much knew that water is abundant
water from rain man, from lake... with a proper tool/machine you can make a clear safe drinking water out from the sea... i bet that's why the progress of hydrogen fuel cell is so slow it is because these big companies are scared and they know that most of the people can make their own fuel.
well, you are right... but if you have the means and the knowledge and few tools/machine, you can make a hydrogen fuel by yourself... look it up on youtube mate... there are lots of videos about it. =)
+hunyango It'd require a lot less electricity just to charge an electric vehicle. The large amount of electricity you'd need for electrolysis and compression make hydrogen pretty expensive, even if you're making it yourself.
+hunyango just use that electricity to charge the battery its a lot more efficient and therefore cheaper plus you can get electricity to charhe your car for free after you've installed solar panels making enough hydrogen to fill up your car is a lot harder to do
Store the electric car batteries at the petrol station for recharge,when you run out of battery just pull in & change it for a full one.just bye the car not the battery.the petrol station would be responsible for the purchase & charging also machanical method of changing the battery.joe
If these cars were mass produced, the price would come down. The biggest obstacle is building Hydrogen refueling stations. But imagine it...cities like Beijin and L.A. wouldn't have to suffer from nasty brown air. I hope I live to see this come about.
It takes more energy to create the hydrogen than you get in return. I can not see myself saying "let me buy this car that takes 2 gallons of petrol to take me 1 gallons worth of distance".
You do realize you can harvest electricity for free... from the sun, the wind, rivers, waves, tides, etc..? With 0 emission...and above all, energy that is produced anyway, whether you collect it or not?
And................. At no small price $$$$$$$$$$$$. Oh, and at 10,000 psi under the rear seat, just what every soccer mom wants with their child/children sitting in the back.
everyone is entitled to there own opinion but if you ask me, hydrogen cars is just adding another non needed step, the hydrogen to electric energy can be done at a power plant because its extra weight carrying it around in every car. solid state batteries are just around the corner and i believe its the big next step!
Hydrogen, being the most abundant element in the universe people think that it’s easy too get. Yes we have lots of it earth but it will not last forever, Hydrogen is found mostly concentrated in stars.
It seems then, if they are producing the hydrogen at the petrol station that they are just taking in water and splitting it with electricity, then getting that energy back by adding the oxygen again in the fuel cell. Minus however much is lost due to the inefficiency. So since it uses this cell to generate electricity... the advantage of hydrogen over electric is what? Just that it can store more energy in the same space than a battery. So long term they aren't a solution, as batteries will over take them.
"There's no such thing as gas shortage man, its all set up by the government, everything's controlled by the oil companies like I heard about this guy who invented a car that runs on water man, its fiber glass, air cooled and it runs on water!"-Steven Hyde 1970-1980
dpm9a1 Not knowing his name , he's the guy I read about , hydrogen directly at the injectors using a low voltage charge , I think he has disappeared off the face of the planet, just buy an evs, charge via roof solar, and you can uck the people who made him disappear
I'm really hoping Hydrogen cars are the future, the fact that they work so similarly to Petrol and diesel cars in that they can be filled up in minutes, its so much better then electric cars and their long charge times and then what if theres a power cut or you just get home to charge and start to charge you car but something unexpected comes up and you need to go but then can't because your electric car is not charged? If governments would invest more into the infrastructure for hydrogen cars and petrol stations start adding hydrogen too so that it becomes as wide spread as petrol and diesel are, in Ireland we have no hydrogen right now but fossil fuel cars are planned to be fully banned from the roads I think in 2050 but they will ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars here in 2030 :(
no doubt that is the future. REALLY? what was explained is better than what we have by far--and the hydrogen fuel cell (without having to add hydrogen) is a good storage method for solar and wind energy.
What's the point, though. It doesn't seem to offer any real benefits to the owner. "It uses different resources to power it." Okay, but how does that benefit me? Even if every gas station had a pump for hydrogen, it doesn't matter, because there is no benefiting from it. It's not cheaper, and it isn't simpler, so what is the point? the future is a place for improvements. This is not an improvement, it's just different. People won't make the switch to this if they will not benefit from it.
Hydrogen based Vehicles were a potential replacement for Fossil fuel based Vehicles but with the dawn of electric car companies like Tesla there are hardly seems to be any sense for going with Hydrogen vehicles. The fuel cells in Hydrogen cars will require Maintenance every now and then which an cost addition whereas such MROs are very less for EVs. Hydrogen is higly flammable and that's quite a risk in comparison of EVs. Hydrogen based power plants may have a future as the excessive energy generated Renewables like Solar and Wind Can be used for production of Hydrogen which can be used at night for higher electricity requirements or in the areas where there is lack of Renewables. Hydrogen based Aircraft and Commercial + Military ships can be another area where Hydrogen may become a viable fuel till the time more high energy storage batteries get developed.
If hydrogen cars are so good, why don't we put fuel cells in normal cars and stop putting them extremely ugly cars like this crap Toyota has come out with
I think there are conversion kits out there. with a bit of tinkering with the fuel system a normal engine could run off of hydrogen. the thing is its better and more efficient to use in conjunction with an electric motor. kind of like how a train uses a diesel engine to power a generator to make electricity for the electric motors. the electric motors deliver more torque faster. the quicker the availability to do work equal more work done compared to something that takes longer to same amount of work. simply put electric motors are more efficient for short trips and stop and go traffic aka city driving because of how it delivers it's max torque at 0 rpm as opposed to a internal combustion engine that delivers torque at a relatively high rpm making it very inefficient compared to an electric motor. where the electric motor is less efficient is when it comes to distance. since an electric motor delivers so much of its torque immediately, there isn't a practical gearbox that can handle it as opposed to an internal combustion engine that needs to build up its torque in the rev range. that drop in rpm drops the power and torque output, allowing the transmission to safely shift or be shifted into the next gear. I know I went a little overboard but I hope I answered your question.
+turshin what I meant was why can't we for example have a Ford Fiesta that's powered by hydrogen fuel cells and looks normal to the untrained eye, than make a car that looks deliberately ugly that probably no one will buy. People are very subjective when buying cars, some people want a car that looks normal that doesn't boast about being different
Benjamin Batchelor I completely agree with you. This is just Toyota's insane shredder styling they do for their entire line up. The Hyundai mentioned in this video looks like a normal car. As far as I am concerned, I would buy it in a heartbeat if there were a few Hydrogen stations around here in Detroit. It fulfills what I need a car to do during the weekly grind. On the weekends I'll drive my Jeep or my supercharged Tbird. That's if there was an infrastructure around here though. Unfortunately California is the only state where you can buy Hydrogen cars here in the U.S.
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do they actually believe that everyones gonna be buying a hydrogen car, especially considering the fact that most of the people have kids and at the end of the week, barely have enough to get themselves a treat
FolksRespect to Autotrader who presented this information making it very interesting and convincing. Yet Elon Musk from tesla fame is also convinced that H2 cars will not succeed and that battery powered cars are the way forward.
+The General Channel It's $57,500 in in California and limited US markets. Where many EVs succeed is in leasing and I expect the Mirai to have a good lease program too.
would you choose a hydrogen car as your next ? probably not, they are very expensive and hydrogen is not common place, however as your third maybe when the infrastructure is there and can be manufactured cheaper.
Or you could get an electric car, and you wouldn't have to wait for an infrastructure. You would virtually always plug in at home and never have regular trips to the gas station (or pay for gas).
Hey Look Kids, they took H2 out of water to make it a purchasable commodity. Then they put the Oxygen back in so they can convert it to Brown's Gas or Hydroxy to power the car. I am guessing it's just a matter time before someone figures out how to just add water to these cars.
Hydrogen is just an attempt by energy corporations to maintain the industrial monopoly they have with petroleum. Electric cars would actually democratize and diversify transportation energy. For example, if I want to charge up my EV using sunlight, I could realistically buy solar panels to do this directly. I don't have to get it from a grid powered by coal. On the other hand, if I was buying Hydrogen from BP or Shell, I'm completely at the mercy of the industrial suppliers choice of energy used to electrolytically harvest the gas. Most likely they'll just use Coal or Nuclear.
why have tanking stations??? you could just take a bucket of water and ad some bakingsoda and in to the tank and just drive off so why the tanking stations???? seems wery stupid to make so ppl cant fill up the car with basic items at home
charge times is a problem that does not exist..... 97% of the time it is more convienient to charge one at home vs go to a gas station, in new zealand, the country is long with terrible roads, in a tesla model 3 i can drive a 6 hour commute with 40 mins for lunch which i do anyway in a gas car!, without the added petrol stop,,,,,,,,
So we have to go down the route of hybrid /diesel/petrol powered electric cars before the major oil manufacturers give the okay to Hydrogen? They have to recoup their investment first! rather than take the bull by its horns and say!!???? Lets do it right. You know??? lets put the money into making a cleaner world full stop.The money is clearly available. Its time for them to invest. If they do??? I would be astonished by the commitment. Will never happen.
You don't explain how the Hydrogen is produced and then transported to its destination. And then like Electricity how much emissions are coming out of a coal/oil fired power station to keep these cars going. I.e. making them barely cleaner than traditional petrol or diesels.
I'm no fan of Hydrogen but a) coal makes up less than 15% of the UK grid and Oil is virtually unheard of as an electricity source. Half of our grid produces no CO2 at all (25% renewable and 25% Nuclear). b) even if it was ALL coal, Hydrogen, like battery cars, would still produce less CO2 per mile that Petrol or Diesel because electric motors are vastly more efficient than traditional engines. C) The most important thing about either Hydrogen or Battery is the LOCAL pollution - IE exhaust fumes,... there are none. This alone is a massive advantage as exhaust fumes kill thousands of people in the UK every year.
Publicizing your stupidity on TH-cam was not such a smart move. Anyone with any scientific background understands that hydrogen can be produced in any number of ways and as demand grows various hydrogen production systems can be developed. Solar plants in the Sahara, Wind farms at sea and so on. Your argument is pathetic and devoid of imagination and intelligent thought.
Ok I'll stop asking questions from now on. I'll stick to my Big Macs and fries whilst we all await for science to discover the solution on how to stop the Earth barrel rolling to a quicker death that's mainly caused by human greed
I heard a major issue is that a hydrogen storage tank can only store half the BTU's per volume that a gasoline engine can. ..and I don't know what kind of lifespan such a tank has. I read this years ago, so things may have changed since then. Its very unstable. I actually think it would be a better investment to learn how to catalytically convert methane gas into liquid methanol at an economically feasible scale, because Hydrogen is incredibly reactive with everything. That includes corrosion of metal gas tanks. Electrolysis, itself is an incredibly corrosive process. As far as source emissions, Hydrogen production is in the same boat as Battery stored electricity. Its only as good as the powerplant energy source that electrolytically derives hydrogen out of water. If its produced from coal or nuclear, you're technically running on coal or nuclear. If its running on wind, then you're running on wind. Hydrogen is an energy carrier, not an actual source.
What about the energy needed to convert water to hydrogen?? Requires a large amount of energy to get a small amount of hydrogen. Not particularly efficient. Hydrogen from natural gas still produces CO2.
Of course this is the future and this technology is too much in advance yet for is time. I think it will worth in 10 years but now (except if there any way to produce your own Hydrogen in your house) it is too early yet. Zero emission, fill up the tank in 1 minute, large autonomy, super cheap fuel and maintenance (no engine friction). Combustion gas engines is an about 140 years conception and it's amazing we still use it today (no real evolution since, also like firearms conception). The goal of car manufacturers today must be Emission reduction, Energy efficiency improvement, Safety and Recyclable materials use instead of power and speed. All governments around the world have to give bonus and discount for each "clean" (less than 120g/CO2 per Km) buy. Diesel vehicles must not be allowed anymore in big cities today and everywhere in the near future.
No doubt this is the future yes, why cos then the govt can hike up the price with tax. All electric cars can do over 300 miles on a charge now, but the govt can't hike up the price of a fill up except at a charge station, many people with electric cars may just by pass these and use a small generator if the price is too high. With fuel cells you have to have regular servicing and inspection for safety reasons, and i'm sure the govt will bring in a 6 month mot due to the nature of the fuel being used. All in all the fuel cell should not be the future cos it's expensive and wasteful, the secondhand market will be ridiculously over priced and the vehicles won't last that long and will have to be recycled more often due to the cost of maintenance. Battery cars on the other hand have a huge potential for the secondhand market and a huge potential for recycling after many years of service, a simple battery change and the car is good to go again. One huge thing in their favour is the fact that the govt can't hike up the cost of charging them up, the only draw back with them is the time it takes to charge them up, but that is getting shorter and shorter. So all in all a battery car is much better than a fuel cell car and there are no by products produced while using the electricity in a battery compared to puddles of water from a fuel cell car. But if you were a car manufacturer the fuel cell car would be more advantageous cos y ou would make more money on after sales servicing than a battery car, so expect to see lots of fuel cell cars as they phase out battery cars.
So where do you get a hydrogen from in the first place to run these so-called clean cars? It takes lotta energy to get hydrogen. So why not just burn it like propane in a tank and a combustion engine? Solution? Hydro dams. More efficient and more productive than any oil drilling.
My old 6.2 diesel is my future.
this makes me so very happy that hydrogen cars are finally being realised.. after more than 60 years it was invented....
It's good to see Hydrogen Fuel Cell cars are competitive. Producing H2 cleanly and cheaply is the key to embracing this technology. Separating H2 from H20 requires a lot of electricity. In the US, hydrogen gas is currently made from burning fossil fuels, until H2 can be made with much less energy the pollution is just moved to the factory.
thats the problem.. it should be produced by hydrogen power plants
TheOneNo20 LOLZ
At least there's plenty to go around, and we won't fry from sucking out all the oil out of the ground.
There is a NOVA program from the 90's about using Hydrogen in cars - a truly excellent pro/con presentation. The biggest hurtle, was that nobody could agree on the method for storage (Gas in Hydride, Compressed, Liquid etc.), or if to be used in fuel cells or burned, and basically, Hydrogen is safer than gasoline, as when a tank is ruptured, the gas rises in the air, instead of pooling on the ground.
But when one of those hydrogen 10,000 PSI containers blow up it mimics a very serious explosion. Lots of broo-ha-ha about the benefits of hydrogen but the existing technology and infrastructure doesn't economically support it for now. Currently these videos are marketing tools about something that does not yet exist.
HEVs are nice for taxis and people who have to travel far, fast, but most people only need a plugin BEV.
Why do innovative cars always look that ugly?
Lack of imagination, that is why. The creators of the new vehicles cannot imagine that anyone would want an electric car that looks like a normal sedan.
72Yonatan So true
In it's in the agreement the car maker makes with Big Oil. Don't worry, in a few years they will claim no one wants hydrogen cars, and promptly demolish them all.
Aerodynamics
It's just Toyota.
I’d like to get this car, simply because I’m 1. A Chemistry Nerd, but more importantly 2. A young car enthusiast, and I doubt many of these cars will be made, so I’ll take one.
"Much longer range": EPA-range:
Tesla Model S: 373 miles
Tesla Model 3 LR: 334 miles
Toyota Mirai: 312 miles
I suppose, fuel cell cars will be a part of the future, but just as a supplement to battery electric cars. Probably there will also be plug-in-hybrids like the Mercedes GLC f-cell.
at today's battery technology standards fuel cell is a better idea, the batteries in electric cars are heavy and costly and not eco-friendly. All we have to do is put in the desert a few thousands of hectares of solar panels and then start producing hydrogen. This could be a job that the Arabs can do in order to maintain their control over fuel production and also because they have the cash to make such a large investment.
Yes and enslave us to big business forever more duh!!!
I once mistook my hydrogen car for a hybrid and tried to recharge it. I now lack eyebrows.
TheTallMan35 it's actually really hard to ignight hydrogen like that
nightmare in action not really but hydrogen needs oxygen to explode and hydrogen tanks have between very very little oxygen to no oxygen so in that case the hydrogen won’t explode.
I guess He added oxygen.
Do the cars easily overheat,lose power and stall like other brands of electric cars leaving people stranded in the middle of nowhere?
nightmare in action r/woooosh
IT PEED!!! 1:17
Dumping water on the road is going to be awesome in winters.
Sachankara it will be because îs HOT water
Thank You Toyota for the MIRAI. Hydrogen is the way to go ASAP! ;-)
I could be wrong, but it would seem to me that having the fuel cell and its associated tank in a small aerodynamic trailer would make far more sense. First of all you would not be hauling around a fuel cell when the charge in the car's battery is sufficient. If the fuel cell trailer could feed electricity to the car's battery through the hitch then connecting the two together would be easy.
If planning a trip longer than the capacity of the battery, then buy or rent one of these fuel cell trailers. Long delays while waiting for the battery to charge up would be eliminated. Trailer could also be designed to self steer when backing up. Since a small part of the average car's usage is long trips having smaller batteries should make future EV's more affordable.
This is such a dumb idea who would wanna buy a car that u have to carry a trailer with at all times. Clapped fuck
That would look idiotic.
maybe they should add a charging port as well, so you can still buy one to drive as an EV until you get a hydrogen refueling station in your area
so why is it ONLY as cheap as petrol or diesel ? should it not be a lot cheaper considering the lack of transport and refining costs via ships and tankers ?
After fueling one car, how soon can the station fuel the next car?
i think the real Safety fear over petrol and diesel is the pressure in the tank not just the fact it is explosive like oil based fuels
It's the future, we must support those iniciative
I would jump the ship, but the availability of stations is a problem, We bought BMW 225XE instead and we wait to see where the future will go. Efficiency will improve in 5 years, but for now I pay less taxes.
i dont think we will ever get rid of gasoline and diesel but i do think it will one day be greatly reduced in its uses for general purpose
I've read that it isn't a great leap to consider that the water-to-hydrogen converter can be installed in the car. Then one could pour a glass of water into the converter and drive some hundreds of miles.
But, of course, this would cause a huge financial change with thousands of filling stations not being required. Does anyone know if having a converter in the car is true and that it is not a huge leap?
Problem is, the energy required to break the water into hydrogen and oxygen would be greater than what you'd get back when you used the hydrogen fuel. So you'd do better to just run the car on it, instead.
actually not anymore, we can use less energy through electrolysis with PEM technology. uses less energy. but also as you may use salt related solution can split water with less energy except that the electrode will have much corrosion faster than anticipated and that requires more materials. per now PEM and some other like it can produce 1Kg/Hr with 18kwh and 1kg can drive you more miles
when is coming to north America, Canada and USA
They are best but if any accident or leakage of something from d car happens then it will affect very badly to that area in which the car is
Hydrogen the future not the Tesla.
Chris Metroid you're either joking or you doesn't know electric car with battery better than hydrogen!
they are both the future. one thing is for sure that we as humans must limit internal combustion as much as we can. not only it has a low efficiency but also it contributes to the climate change, no.1 world's problem.
Chris Metroid don't be a fool cell LOL
All this is is a Tesla but more complicated, expensive and impractical.
Nope. Full electric cars are the future and present
I'm surprised they are so quiet because the hydrogen fuel cell industrial equipment we used at work is noisy as heck.
its very intresting to see how a hydrogen works but in my opinion i think the future is with a hybrid engine and of course full electric cars for now... but yea after lets say 30 years maybe the hydrogen will prevail
Question...is the pump at the fuel pumping gas or liquid hydrogen??
Gas. At 350 and 700 bar. Cars use 700 bar nowadays, buses 350 bar (mostly).
Much easier to provide and to use than cryogenic liquid hydrogen.
@@701983 hey man thanks for taking the time to reply
I wish hydrogen fuel cell cars were more readily available throughout the UK. Their are only about 3 hydrogen models available here and most hydrogen fuel filling stations are in the south east of England.
I would like to see some of these car manufacturers offer a service to convert a petrol or diesel engined car to a hydrogen fuel celled car. That might be more cost effective compared to manufacturing an entire new car. This would help drive the demand for hydrogen which would then eventually drive demand for brand new cars to be hydrogen fuel celled cars.
Hydrogen fuel would have to be made more readily available throughout the UK as the demand increases.
I for one would love to own a hydrogen fuel celled car and I would be happy to recommend anybody to have one.
converting a car is not cost effective.
@@Simon-dm8zv Perhaps not in some cases. I know of some businesses that convert older cars to fully electric. I thought perhaps a hydrogen conversion could be done too.
@@Mr_Chris__ I know these companies too. It is fantastic, but very expensive compared to current electric car prices. Hydrogen can be done too but is more complicated and probably not cheaper.
Apart from that, the horrible efficiency of a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle makes it very expensive to drive and not as effective as a battery electric car when it comes to reducing emissions per km.
Can It be a manual?
How much did he say you get paid for owning one?.
Scotland got the best deal with a total of one gas station to the whole of England Wales and N Ireland 5.
When they double the amount of gas stations the cars will take off.
About 95% of Hydrogen production is from natural gas and the significant byproduct of that process is carbon monoxide. So that's a really bad idea from an environmental standpoint. Production via hydrolysis is equally problematic as it is very inefficient with only 25% of the electrical energy input realised from the resulting hydrogen fuel. Given the huge infrastructure investment required (literally trillions) for production, distribution, fuel stations etc and taking into account the current and forthcoming tech advances for battery EVs then hydrogen is basically dead in the water. Very few of us will be driving hydrogen vehicles in the future.
The hydrolysis (which is closer to 50% not 25%) is not wasteful if the manner in which it is done is through renewable energy or even nuclear. Batteries are more effective in perfect conditions but let say under warm weather yeah there goes 20% or under very cold weather there goes another 40% efficiency. Batteries have a short life span compared to fuel cells and batteries are heavy and you need a lot of them to get reasonable distance. Then we have the fact we do not have enough minerals for actually either technology to supply everybody with cars. Happily in a hydrogen focused world we can convert cars cheaper and cheaper to run on liquid hydrogen instead of gasoline. Hydrogen has a future, battery technology does in small applications or even small city cars but not as a single car propelling system for the world.
V.J.W. N So even by your optimistic estimate hydrolysis throws away half of the energy input to make hydrogen gas. Then the gas must be massively compressed to 10,000psi in order to fit a practical amount into a vehicle fuel tank. Compressing the gas of course wastes another huge chunk of energy. But this is mostly irrelevant given that 95% of all hydrogen is made from natural gas via steam reforming producing significant carbon monoxide as a byproduct. Which means that it isn't even a viable clean fuel. On battery life latest real world examples are showing only 6% degradation in capacity after 100,000 miles driven over 5 years. So basically the battery will probably outlast the car. On battery weight, the Chevy Bolt with a range of 280 miles is faster and has much better acceleration than a Toyota Mirai fuel cell car which is actually heavier and a lower range of 250 miles. The Mirai is also currently selling for twice the price of a Chevy Bolt. Just about anyone can buy a Chevy Bolt right now and recharge it at home, overnight, whilst sleeping. The charge waiting time therefore effectively being nil. If you buy a Mirai you definitely won't be able to refuel it at home and since there is almost no hydrogen fuel infrastructure you probably will be nowhere near a hydrogen gas station to drive to and pay whatever the big oil corporation is charging that day for fuel. All of these factors are probably why there are millions of electric vehicles on the roads already but only about 10,000 hydrogen cars world wide.
@@UberDang " recharge it at home, overnight, whilst sleeping"... In most cases that also means coal burned to recharge said battery.
"So basically the battery will probably outlast the car": only in certain areas... if the temperature is steady, and the power requirement (read distance driven) is more or less the same, then a 6% degradation might well be within the standarts, that means city cars... If we change loads, have shifting temps, and drives longer between recharges, then you will see a big spike in degradation. How it affects Hydrogen cars I don't really know, because I have not looked.
But claiming that electric battery cars are "way more eco friendly" is not really true, simply due to the time energy is spent to recharge the cars (nighttime, where solar energy is limited in effect).
Personally I think the Hydrogen car has a better future than the pure electric cars, in overall effect... But battling what is best is probably a pointless exercise, given nothing says both can't be working at the same time.
how long can it last before refueling again ?
between 300 - 400 miles similar to petrol
how much ?
See the problem is the over complication of this vehicle we need to use an internal combustion engine but instead of using gasoline or diesel we use hydrogen gas we just have to develop technology to safely store it they would run pretty much like a propane forklift does or propane powered vehicle but instead of propane it would be hydrogen this should be the future it would keep the cost down and allow people to convert your standard conventional automobile
HHO vehicles are the future
HHO is silly, it is two gases Hydrogen and Oxygen in the SAME VESSEL, another name for it is a BOMB.
You never store your fuel and oxidizer in the same tank unless it is in the form of stable solids like in solid rocket boosters.
It is an accident waiting to happen.
Basic chemistry.
EVs, PHEVS and fcevs are NOT zero emissions. Every human activity involves expenditure of energy and that has to come from somewhere whether making H2 or electricity. Even wind farms emit 25g/kWh due to construction & maintenance. UK now burning 40% more imported fossil gas to make electricity since 2015. The next problem will be fracking including methane release.
this should be the future, i f anyone is against this... then you are benefiting yourself by monopolizing the world on petrol / diesel, coz you very much knew that water is abundant
i disagree big companys will just switch and monopolise water which is wrong, espestily as you can make electricity you can make for free
water from rain man, from lake... with a proper tool/machine you can make a clear safe drinking water out from the sea... i bet that's why the progress of hydrogen fuel cell is so slow it is because these big companies are scared and they know that most of the people can make their own fuel.
well, you are right... but if you have the means and the knowledge and few tools/machine, you can make a hydrogen fuel by yourself... look it up on youtube mate... there are lots of videos about it. =)
+hunyango It'd require a lot less electricity just to charge an electric vehicle. The large amount of electricity you'd need for electrolysis and compression make hydrogen pretty expensive, even if you're making it yourself.
+hunyango just use that electricity to charge the battery its a lot more efficient and therefore cheaper plus you can get electricity to charhe your car for free after you've installed solar panels
making enough hydrogen to fill up your car is a lot harder to do
Store the electric car batteries at the petrol station for recharge,when you run out of battery just pull in & change it for a full one.just bye the car not the battery.the petrol station would be responsible for the purchase & charging also machanical method of changing the battery.joe
If these cars were mass produced, the price would come down. The biggest obstacle is building Hydrogen refueling stations. But imagine it...cities like Beijin and L.A. wouldn't have to suffer from nasty brown air. I hope I live to see this come about.
It takes more energy to create the hydrogen than you get in return. I can not see myself saying "let me buy this car that takes 2 gallons of petrol to take me 1 gallons worth of distance".
14Wiccan righy, because we only produce electricity by burning petrol.
What..?
You do realize you can harvest electricity for free... from the sun, the wind, rivers, waves, tides, etc..? With 0 emission...and above all, energy that is produced anyway, whether you collect it or not?
And................. At no small price $$$$$$$$$$$$. Oh, and at 10,000 psi under the rear seat, just what every soccer mom wants with their child/children sitting in the back.
14Wiccan false info based upon inaccurate Bossel analysis
death2pc 3.5 bar and 1.5kg gets you 300 miles #riversimple
everyone is entitled to there own opinion but if you ask me, hydrogen cars is just adding another non needed step, the hydrogen to electric energy can be done at a power plant because its extra weight carrying it around in every car. solid state batteries are just around the corner and i believe its the big next step!
Hydrogen, being the most abundant element in the universe people think that it’s easy too get. Yes we have lots of it earth but it will not last forever, Hydrogen is found mostly concentrated in stars.
Does a hydrogen powered car make noise like a normal combustion vehicle? If not I don’t want anything to do with it. If it does, I’m okay with it
It seems then, if they are producing the hydrogen at the petrol station that they are just taking in water and splitting it with electricity, then getting that energy back by adding the oxygen again in the fuel cell. Minus however much is lost due to the inefficiency.
So since it uses this cell to generate electricity... the advantage of hydrogen over electric is what?
Just that it can store more energy in the same space than a battery.
So long term they aren't a solution, as batteries will over take them.
4.5 times more expensive to get from A to B, 2.5 times less energy efficient... it looks SO complicated!
i see this as a better alternative once we develop a cheap method to extract H2 from water. rather than relying on electrolysis.
Lol... that's a lot of water. Imagine 1000's of them on the road during winter time, it'd turn streets into ice rinks
how much does the hydrogen cost?
+tiler007 Often between $10/kg and $15/kg currently. That's an equivalent of about $0.16/mile to $0.24/mile.
no matter what gas prices will soar
Very informative.. Thank you so much for this wonderful to the point video... Liked & Subscribed.
can it cause hydrogen bombardment (bomb)? and why cnt the water produced be electrolised to produce the same water and hydrogen .....
"There's no such thing as gas shortage man, its all set up by the government, everything's controlled by the oil companies like I heard about this guy who invented a car that runs on water man, its fiber glass, air cooled and it runs on water!"-Steven Hyde 1970-1980
dpm9a1 Not knowing his name , he's the guy I read about , hydrogen directly at the injectors using a low voltage charge , I think he has disappeared off the face of the planet, just buy an evs, charge via roof solar, and you can uck the people who made him disappear
Love the idea but like anything the power sourceused will be driven by which will generate the most tax and profit for business and governments alike
I'm really hoping Hydrogen cars are the future, the fact that they work so similarly to Petrol and diesel cars in that they can be filled up in minutes, its so much better then electric cars and their long charge times and then what if theres a power cut or you just get home to charge and start to charge you car but something unexpected comes up and you need to go but then can't because your electric car is not charged? If governments would invest more into the infrastructure for hydrogen cars and petrol stations start adding hydrogen too so that it becomes as wide spread as petrol and diesel are, in Ireland we have no hydrogen right now but fossil fuel cars are planned to be fully banned from the roads I think in 2050 but they will ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars here in 2030 :(
But it would literally take three times as much energy compared to battery electric.
no doubt that is the future. REALLY? what was explained is better than what we have by far--and the hydrogen fuel cell (without having to add hydrogen) is a good storage method for solar and wind energy.
What's the point, though. It doesn't seem to offer any real benefits to the owner. "It uses different resources to power it." Okay, but how does that benefit me? Even if every gas station had a pump for hydrogen, it doesn't matter, because there is no benefiting from it. It's not cheaper, and it isn't simpler, so what is the point? the future is a place for improvements. This is not an improvement, it's just different. People won't make the switch to this if they will not benefit from it.
Hydrogen based Vehicles were a potential replacement for Fossil fuel based Vehicles but with the dawn of electric car companies like Tesla there are hardly seems to be any sense for going with Hydrogen vehicles.
The fuel cells in Hydrogen cars will require Maintenance every now and then which an cost addition whereas such MROs are very less for EVs.
Hydrogen is higly flammable and that's quite a risk in comparison of EVs.
Hydrogen based power plants may have a future as the excessive energy generated Renewables like Solar and Wind Can be used for production of Hydrogen which can be used at night for higher electricity requirements or in the areas where there is lack of Renewables.
Hydrogen based Aircraft and Commercial + Military ships can be another area where Hydrogen may become a viable fuel till the time more high energy storage batteries get developed.
If hydrogen cars are so good, why don't we put fuel cells in normal cars and stop putting them extremely ugly cars like this crap Toyota has come out with
I think there are conversion kits out there. with a bit of tinkering with the fuel system a normal engine could run off of hydrogen. the thing is its better and more efficient to use in conjunction with an electric motor. kind of like how a train uses a diesel engine to power a generator to make electricity for the electric motors. the electric motors deliver more torque faster. the quicker the availability to do work equal more work done compared to something that takes longer to same amount of work. simply put electric motors are more efficient for short trips and stop and go traffic aka city driving because of how it delivers it's max torque at 0 rpm as opposed to a internal combustion engine that delivers torque at a relatively high rpm making it very inefficient compared to an electric motor. where the electric motor is less efficient is when it comes to distance. since an electric motor delivers so much of its torque immediately, there isn't a practical gearbox that can handle it as opposed to an internal combustion engine that needs to build up its torque in the rev range. that drop in rpm drops the power and torque output, allowing the transmission to safely shift or be shifted into the next gear. I know I went a little overboard but I hope I answered your question.
+turshin what I meant was why can't we for example have a Ford Fiesta that's powered by hydrogen fuel cells and looks normal to the untrained eye, than make a car that looks deliberately ugly that probably no one will buy. People are very subjective when buying cars, some people want a car that looks normal that doesn't boast about being different
Benjamin Batchelor I completely agree with you. This is just Toyota's insane shredder styling they do for their entire line up. The Hyundai mentioned in this video looks like a normal car. As far as I am concerned, I would buy it in a heartbeat if there were a few Hydrogen stations around here in Detroit. It fulfills what I need a car to do during the weekly grind. On the weekends I'll drive my Jeep or my supercharged Tbird. That's if there was an infrastructure around here though. Unfortunately California is the only state where you can buy Hydrogen cars here in the U.S.
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Keep up the informative videos.
that will be very nice on a jammed highway with all that water pouring out the exhaust at minus20.....bring your skates along
Just add water
do they actually believe that everyones gonna be buying a hydrogen car, especially considering the fact that most of the people have kids and at the end of the week, barely have enough to get themselves a treat
FolksRespect to Autotrader who presented this information making it very interesting and convincing. Yet Elon Musk from tesla fame is also convinced that H2 cars will not succeed and that battery powered cars are the way forward.
Give me a vacuum cleaner, a boat, and a place where lightning often strikes water... HYDROGEN PLANT 😂😂😂
how much will this Toyota cost?
100k pounds
+Wesam Al Bagdadi 100k is a lot for a Toyota. that's as expensive as a Mercedes s class
a tesla modle s is cheaper and has a similar range
a tesla modle s is cheaper and has a similar range
+The General Channel It's $57,500 in in California and limited US markets. Where many EVs succeed is in leasing and I expect the Mirai to have a good lease program too.
nice and informative video
I hope Tesla makes a FCV.
But..... Prize to range is simulair to an AMG GTS ._.
would you choose a hydrogen car as your next ? probably not, they are very expensive and hydrogen is not common place, however as your third maybe when the infrastructure is there and can be manufactured cheaper.
Or you could get an electric car, and you wouldn't have to wait for an infrastructure. You would virtually always plug in at home and never have regular trips to the gas station (or pay for gas).
Hey Look Kids, they took H2 out of water to make it a purchasable commodity. Then they put the Oxygen back in so they can convert it to Brown's Gas or Hydroxy to power the car. I am guessing it's just a matter time before someone figures out how to just add water to these cars.
Toyota must of given AT a boatload of money for this 7 minute ad
Hydrogen car's is feature
what is the us because india does not have h2o pump any were
It is the future
very nice car and idea
The hydrogen car is much worse than a petrol car in every fucking regard.
Hydrogen is just an attempt by energy corporations to maintain the industrial monopoly they have with petroleum. Electric cars would actually democratize and diversify transportation energy. For example, if I want to charge up my EV using sunlight, I could realistically buy solar panels to do this directly. I don't have to get it from a grid powered by coal. On the other hand, if I was buying Hydrogen from BP or Shell, I'm completely at the mercy of the industrial suppliers choice of energy used to electrolytically harvest the gas. Most likely they'll just use Coal or Nuclear.
cool but is it true?
why have tanking stations??? you could just take a bucket of water and ad some bakingsoda and in to the tank and just drive off so why the tanking stations???? seems wery stupid to make so ppl cant fill up the car with basic items at home
This hydrogen car fuel is much expensive than the gas, it's only water and baking soda equivalent, why is that?
Ding ding
Tesla's coming through.
SPLAT!!!!
Tesla stepped on something...
It was the future of the hydrogen fuel car.
FroztByte Gamer yes, go tesla!!
fuck that hydrogen is superior
Screw off hydrogen GO TESLA
FroztByte Gamer tesla and the 750kg battery pack made with child labour from the DRC
The Panda and his crew
Ignorance is bliss
charge times is a problem that does not exist..... 97% of the time it is more convienient to charge one at home vs go to a gas station, in new zealand, the country is long with terrible roads, in a tesla model 3 i can drive a 6 hour commute with 40 mins for lunch which i do anyway in a gas car!, without the added petrol stop,,,,,,,,
If there's no revs and can't change gears, I don't want it.
I down voted this misleading sales advertisement.
cool video
Very interesting. Thanks
So we have to go down the route of hybrid /diesel/petrol powered electric cars before the major oil manufacturers give the okay to Hydrogen? They have to recoup their investment first! rather than take the bull by its horns and say!!???? Lets do it right. You know??? lets put the money into making a cleaner world full stop.The money is clearly available. Its time for them to invest. If they do??? I would be astonished by the commitment. Will never happen.
You don't explain how the Hydrogen is produced and then transported to its destination. And then like Electricity how much emissions are coming out of a coal/oil fired power station to keep these cars going. I.e. making them barely cleaner than traditional petrol or diesels.
I'm no fan of Hydrogen but a) coal makes up less than 15% of the UK grid and Oil is virtually unheard of as an electricity source. Half of our grid produces no CO2 at all (25% renewable and 25% Nuclear). b) even if it was ALL coal, Hydrogen, like battery cars, would still produce less CO2 per mile that Petrol or Diesel because electric motors are vastly more efficient than traditional engines. C) The most important thing about either Hydrogen or Battery is the LOCAL pollution - IE exhaust fumes,... there are none. This alone is a massive advantage as exhaust fumes kill thousands of people in the UK every year.
Publicizing your stupidity on TH-cam was not such a smart move.
Anyone with any scientific background understands that hydrogen can be produced in any number of ways and as demand grows various hydrogen production systems can be developed. Solar plants in the Sahara, Wind farms at sea and so on. Your argument is pathetic and devoid of imagination and intelligent thought.
Ok I'll stop asking questions from now on. I'll stick to my Big Macs and fries whilst we all await for science to discover the solution on how to stop the Earth barrel rolling to a quicker death that's mainly caused by human greed
I heard a major issue is that a hydrogen storage tank can only store half the BTU's per volume that a gasoline engine can. ..and I don't know what kind of lifespan such a tank has. I read this years ago, so things may have changed since then. Its very unstable. I actually think it would be a better investment to learn how to catalytically convert methane gas into liquid methanol at an economically feasible scale, because Hydrogen is incredibly reactive with everything. That includes corrosion of metal gas tanks. Electrolysis, itself is an incredibly corrosive process. As far as source emissions, Hydrogen production is in the same boat as Battery stored electricity. Its only as good as the powerplant energy source that electrolytically derives hydrogen out of water. If its produced from coal or nuclear, you're technically running on coal or nuclear. If its running on wind, then you're running on wind. Hydrogen is an energy carrier, not an actual source.
This is only true if you live in the neo-conservative hell hole that is the United States.
The smart way.
What about the energy needed to convert water to hydrogen?? Requires a large amount of energy to get a small amount of hydrogen. Not particularly efficient. Hydrogen from natural gas still produces CO2.
you can use electrolysis for the production of the hydrogen and to that with renewable energy.
Very Nice Car
Can't you just put a hydrogen generator in the car? The car will run forever without ever needing to fill up.
+Nicolas Puel you'd require over-unity for that to be possible and the thermodynamic laws say that that's not possible.
Petrol and Diesel don't have a calorific value of over 100
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It's Hyundai not hayundaee
Bev. Buick 3800 engineered vehicle.
Amazing!!!
Of course this is the future and this technology is too much in advance yet for is time. I think it will worth in 10 years but now (except if there any way to produce your own Hydrogen in your house) it is too early yet. Zero emission, fill up the tank in 1 minute, large autonomy, super cheap fuel and maintenance (no engine friction). Combustion gas engines is an about 140 years conception and it's amazing we still use it today (no real evolution since, also like firearms conception). The goal of car manufacturers today must be Emission reduction, Energy efficiency improvement, Safety and Recyclable materials use instead of power and speed. All governments around the world have to give bonus and discount for each "clean" (less than 120g/CO2 per Km) buy. Diesel vehicles must not be allowed anymore in big cities today and everywhere in the near future.
Hydrogen or electric?
Hydro is future!!!
No doubt this is the future yes, why cos then the govt can hike up the price with tax.
All electric cars can do over 300 miles on a charge now, but the govt can't hike up the price of a fill up except at a charge station, many people with electric cars may just by pass these and use a small generator if the price is too high.
With fuel cells you have to have regular servicing and inspection for safety reasons, and i'm sure the govt will bring in a 6 month mot due to the nature of the fuel being used.
All in all the fuel cell should not be the future cos it's expensive and wasteful, the secondhand market will be ridiculously over priced and the vehicles won't last that long and will have to be recycled more often due to the cost of maintenance.
Battery cars on the other hand have a huge potential for the secondhand market and a huge potential for recycling after many years of service, a simple battery change and the car is good to go again.
One huge thing in their favour is the fact that the govt can't hike up the cost of charging them up, the only draw back with them is the time it takes to charge them up, but that is getting shorter and shorter.
So all in all a battery car is much better than a fuel cell car and there are no by products produced while using the electricity in a battery compared to puddles of water from a fuel cell car.
But if you were a car manufacturer the fuel cell car would be more advantageous cos y ou would make more money on after sales servicing than a battery car, so expect to see lots of fuel cell cars as they phase out battery cars.
Yeah but it uses a lot of energy and cost to use electricity all the time
So where do you get a hydrogen from in the first place to run these so-called clean cars? It takes lotta energy to get hydrogen. So why not just burn it like propane in a tank and a combustion engine?
Solution? Hydro dams. More efficient and more productive than any oil drilling.