Are REMOTE RES shocks REALLY worth it? How much better are they? Suspension options in detail!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ม.ค. 2023
- We've compared remote reservoir shocks to standard shocks & standard aftermarket shocks to show all the differences in ride, performance, suspension lift, durability and quality! Find out if remote res shocks are the right option for you, and make an informed decision about your 4WDs suspension.
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Any other dual cabs coming?? Other than just Toyota and Ford?
We're developing them for other models as we speak! 😆(Nav, D-Max, BT-50, etc.)
40 series?
@drewrichmond1440 they pick the most popular models first obviously
Ya know. I don't se any Fulcrum Suspension kits over in the USA. If any were to float across the Pacific and ended up at my house in San Diego I'd gladly install them and maybe throw a couple stickers on my truck to give you all some exposure. I've got a 2020 Nissan Frontier 4x4, Crew Cab Long Bed that's currently stock and just beggin' for a couple extra inches of lift.
One of my big considerations, and one that wasn't mentioned, was cost.
That's because there are cheaper alternatives out there that are as good if not better quality.
Normally double their top spec,or maybe triple
They didn’t mention it because it’s astronomical!
Only for people with more money then sense.
They never talk about how much this stuff costs.
Fox and Radflo have been doing it for years. We're always a bit slow off the mark in Australia. From having a few lift kits, I've found they are all crap unless you get them valved and sprung to the weight of you vehicle and never change the weight. Or make them adjustable. Basically don't waste your money unless they are adjustable.
If you have them custom tunes getting adjusters is kind of pointless, a hydro engineer developed your valving set and average joe in the back yard cant get it better, also the more adjustments you have the easier it is to make it ride like shit if you dont know what your doing. 16 years riding downhill mountain bikes, when i was a kid my bike had basic rebound and preload adjustments, i couldnt wait to get a full 4-5way adjustable set up as i got older and quickly learned with my first high end rear shock that its takes time and knowledge to tune them properly
But I would ask how often are you really adjusting your suspension? Like in Sean‘s case where he is regularly changing his set up adding or taking off additional weight I could see the benefits but I don’t see how spending the extra money to get adjustable suspension is worth it once it’s set I don’t see the average Joe changing it often Enough to warrant the additional costs.
@@rthomas2157 exactly and wat most people dont realise is that rebound is more important than low speed compresion, further more any shock tuner will tell you the more offroad orientated the shocks the firmer you want the compression valving, not the way around
Great info as always cheers!
I would love to get those resi shocks they would go so well thanks Shauno
I think I’ve decided on some new shocks. Great vid boys
Remote reservoir shocks are in a similar category to "Race" brakes for a racing car. No one disagrees they are superior in performance, but they really need to be warmed up and used hard to work as intended. If they are stone cold and moving tiny amounts on a highway, the piston isn't travelling enough to cycle the oil through to the remote reservoir. This is why companies like Ironman recommend foam cell or big bore as a more appropriate compromise for 4x4s
I’ve been binge watching these and I can’t get enough
Ive messaged fulcrum about these sets on the np300, cant wait til they got these ready for us. Been following this product since lastyear and its a bloody teaser ahaha love the color aswell itll suit my set up 🙏💯
Absolutely love it! We can't wait for you to have them too! 😆
Our RND team are still developing these and we'll make sure to let everyone know.
Thank you for sharing
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Im running remote res on the ranger. Nice to have adjustable damping. Got profender. Great value. Good on and off road.
I’d go aF4r next time. Love the change ability
hang hang is this a 4x4 show or spare parts store less and less adventures here thank god graham on point
Adventure videos are most thursdays.... todays tuesday 😩
With the ifs vehicles what diff drop are you guys using?
You don’t need adjustable shocks on a road car or 4x4. They are for competition use. The average owner of a tourer isn’t going to understand the complexity of adjusting bump & rebound or spend the time adjusting them every time they go off road. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
They make a massive difference from canopy off to canopy on. I’d hate to have heavy duty, cheap suspension and the worst ride with the canopy off. Had that sort of setup on my last 4x4 and the money I spent on replacement shocks - I should have spent the money the first time and had this kind of setup. Yeah, it’s expensive at first, but in the long run it’s by far the cheaper option.
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I've got TuffDog suspension in my 4WD with 40mm big bore foam cell shocks never had an issue with them in 10 years great off road & on road. They didn't cost me the earth, but I don't take my canopy on & off. If you are changing the configuration of your vehicle yeah sure but most people don't. My comment was referring to the average owner of a tourer.
yea, and majority of the time will be on road, probably unladen. then how many will also still be adjusting their shocks after a year. most might just leave them set for their most used setting because they just cant be stuffed.
fair technical video ! 📹🛻😎🤙
Love the Fulcrum lift kit for my Pajero Sport with Formula shocks and King springs. Rides so much better day to day, towing the van and offroad.
Awesome feedback! 😆🔥 Thanks @bboy531
Well, I am not going to get under my FJ every day to adjust the suspension settings. I use Walker-Evans and I figure set it and forget it.
That shock dyno has my mind in the gutter😂
That middle one though 😂😂😂
In a country like Canada where salt is everywhere, like in the rain, on the roads and so on. Teraflex falcon shocks is best suited for Canada. It's like the mysterious red dirt found everywhere in Australia, which took a tolled on vehicles especially the underneath (vitals). Toyota or Nissan was a go to 4wd in the past with a big engine like V6 Or V8 (diesel mostly), however now mid-sized 4 cylinders utes like ISUZU- Dmax, Nissan Navara, Toyota Hilux, Mazda BT-50, Mitsubishi Triton, Mahindra Scorpio pick-upetc. Are getting more popular in Australia
Always best to get a shock you can tune to what you are using it for.
Can you adjust compression and rebound… springs carry the load and not shock absorbers. Stiffer springs stop the vehicle rolling in corners with sway bars….shock absorbers help slow the spring compression and rate of rebound….or am I missing the point…
I like the idea of adjustability, but will I actually use it? No, not the reasons for adjustibility, but would I actually go around and make the changes? I am inherently lazy. I do not really change my tyre pressures based on load, I don't change my graphic equaliser based on the music I am playing, I don't change how I salt or sweeten foods or drinks based on taste. I just do what I have always done. So, while I agree, a great idea, I probably would never use. Other than to brag about.
Okay, so what I have been thinking about lately is shock lengths in relation to flexibility. I bought a 4" suspension lift kit a few years ago. Since I started watching TH-cam about a year ago, I keep seeing 3" or 4" springs with 6" to 12" shocks. Apparently for more flex. I would love to see the science, to work out what length shock is best for my 4" springs to increase it's flexibility. My 80 Series is 95.2% shopping trolley, 4.6% tourer & 0.2% extreme rock crawler
The best length shock is the shock that fits in your mounts. contrary to popular belief, shock length and lift height aren't related.
Work out the compressed length for your particular setup and buy shocks to suit that length. it's that simple.
you have missed that they also extent the bump stops and fit drop out cones some also move the front shock mounts up and the upper rear shock mounts in , they are usually limiting up travel and gaining a crap load of down travel , the same can be achieved by moving your lower shock mounts on the diff up and in , but again need to run revised bump stops and drop out cones , main reason for limiting up travel is to stop the shocks from bottoming out and running 37s most of the time bud , personally i feel that moving the lower shock mount is the better and cheaper option , also stops the shock from fouling on rocks , to choose the desired shock length flex it up without the shocks in and measure both sides eye to eye , that will give you the closed and open length of the shocks to shop for , with no sway bars and extended brake and breather lines your 80 will flex hard out , another example is the way the us rock crawlers are set up , most times you see sfa shock shaft showing , its like 80%down travel and 20% up travel , look up light bright on you tube as well , they have a heap of good tips
@@brad4751 I'm aware of all that, but I get the feeling Andy just wants to put longer shocks in so it "flexes better" - it's not that simple, as you point out.
His car is 95% on road. he doesn't need to worry about getting more travel.
i couldnt care champ, horses for courses , moving forward , have a great night/day /week / year / life
@@bez2992 95.2%
I had a GVM upgrade from new by Pedders. Not a reservoir or adjustable valve body on any of it.
I still run those original shocks, the ride is so good still.
I have Bundutop RTT along with complete floor to roof storage system, this Pedders GVM upgrade system has good body roll control whilst offering very good control over corrugations, rough terrain with excellent flex. Was pricey, worth every cent.
All in all, very impressed with ride comfort of my Pedders secondary manufacturer GVM GU Patrol.
My pedders gvm is garbage. If u fit adjustable bypass shocks u will 1000% see how much better they are than the pedders.
@@krump743 well I ran adjustable previously and like most say, the novelty wares off and they just remained unchanged.
Benefit was, as they wore I was able to tweak up firmness.
Pedders were the only choice for Federal GVM upgrade for my new Patrol, it was far better than the tough dog adjustable I ran previously and the gold TJM set up on my 76 (best at time, platinum offered soon after).
Everyone whom rides in my Patrol comments how well it rides corrugations, ruts and it rides level with all weight included.
Besides, if I swap out the Pedders components, my GVM rating becomes null & void according to paperwork issued with Federal Secondary Manufactured certification.
I'm not going to complicate insurance issues whilst my ride & handling is so good.
I must admit, Pedders were not my first choice, but all inquires at the time, no one else did Federal compliant GVM for GU Patrol, and hence, wishing to be compliant without issues Australia wide they got my business. Never regretted it.
@@ianweal3081 fair call. I have a dmax and the ride is disgusting. Been back to pedders twice one time they changed the front springs and shocks under warranty.
Gvm upgrades unfortunately not much choice really. Foam cell and some springs is about it. Unless you can get something engineered.
Shauno send me a set of those resi shocks please! 😂
Jesus, that hurt to listen to...
Remote reservoir shocks main benefit is the piston in the reservoir... If you don't have the piston you have either air or nitrogen just sitting over the oil, which means you form emulsion as you work the shock harder over time, especially off road.... Because the piston separates the gas from the liquid they can't form an emulsion...
Similarly the adjusters either allow a bypass needle or a bleed stack to adjust the restriction in flow to the res... Neither of these are in teh damping shim stack, that's on the damper piston... Inside teh shock body.
Cooling most significantly effected by shock body diameter, and normally also the monotube design allows better cooling air access to the shock bodies and damping oil. Cooling isn't significantly effected by whether or not the shock has a remote reservoir.
When you're talking about shock adjustability it's meaningless if you don't specify whether it's compression or rebound, whether it's high speed or low speed... If the manufacturer can't tell you then it's a good reason not to buy from them... This happens a lot when people import shocks from China, Taiwan or Thailand and then market them as theirs... They normally don't know how they actually work...
Anyway, I'd be interested in a proper review and discussion one day...
I guess in reality the compression rate and speed of compression rate in the real world will be much lower as there is no way even on bad corrugations that the shocks will be moving that quick and hard due to the limited speeds you can go. So the key would be, is there still a temp difference and wear difference at lower speeds and compression rates? If the temps are the same at lower speeds then they are overkill, but if there is still a big temp difference and wear difference at lower speeds then they are worth it.
It may simply be the test speeds that are used are creating more heat in the OEM shocks. In the real world the temps maybe the same until you really go up in speeds. I'm sure oils work better at different temps too so I'm sure some oils will like the higher temp better.
Living in the cape and traveling the PDR many times a year, standard aftermarket shocks have never lost performance.
That test machine doesn’t reflect on road conditions.
Thanks for the info keep it up 👍
Cheers mate!
After over 20 year's of 4wding in many different vehicles. Shocks have always been a talking point. The usual shocks being advertised and sold are a twin tube 4wd shock. They are marketed as being much better offroad due to having another tube allegedly protecting the internal tube. Yet what they don't tell you is that the twin tube style of shock has its gas in-between the outer and inner tube and a much smaller diameter inside. They do not have more protection than a monotube shock yet they suffer from major fatigue due to he heat and the smaller oil/gas capacity. If you look at every offroad competition vehicle. They all have monotube shocks with separate oil/gas reservoirs. The bores are much bigger and they displace heat a lot quicker than any of the double tube shocks. I have found Monotube shocks offer outstanding performance off and on road and much better value in comparison to any of the twin tube alleged 4wd shocks.
WHAT ISUZU 300 NPS 75 CREW CAB TRUCK 4X4 WITH 5000KG ?
It'd be nice to have them on my 4by but I don't own a ranger and that's all fulcrum make at the moment
Hopefully your 4by is in this list 😆👉 300, 200, 80 Series LandCruiser, GU Patrol, Gen 8 Hilux F4Rs all coming out in the next couple of weeks.
We're also developing them for other models as we speak!
I'm in nz and need my shocks rebuilt. Does anyone do it over here?
Yess
Anyone here know any *good/lenient* rwc guys in brizzy/logan/gc? Picking up my first patrol tomorrow and super keen to get it on the road
So we just skip twin tube vs mono??
Does anyone have any experience with West Coast Suspension shocks or Tough Dog shocks? Looking for some feedback
I got tough dog rear shocks, no problems so far Currently got their 'foam cell' shocks, seem to be fine and they're super easy to put on
We run bp51s they’re great shocks too
In a old 75 series u just need something to get the job done 😊
I’ve got bilstine on my 3rd gen 4Runner no ress
can see them making a difference if your racing short coarse trucks trying to shave off a few seconds per lap.
how many people really adjust their shocks i been on hundreds of trips with hundreds of people never seen anyone laying underneath fine tuning their ride ?
Never touched them once
Exactly. I think I would get sick of adjusting them all the time unless they had in-cab adjustment like J-Macx offer on some of their 79 shocks. Personal opinion only.
Also, $400 extra per shock on top of the standard shock price seems like a bit, but I guess plenty won't care about that.
Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
I had a set of adjustable tough dog once, and I set them initially to suit vehicle.
Basically I altered them occasionally from new, but the novelty wears off, especially when everything is caked in slurry.
I do recall winding them on firmer as they wore, but didn't bother going there again as it just becomes not relevant eventually. One failed completely and was replaced under warranty, it was evident it had better rebound than the opposing original shock.
Really depends what you're doing with your rig, but most people will just be dialling in the right settings & rolling with that!
If you're changing your load a lot, towing or carrying different bits of heavy gear like we often do for different kinds of trips, it's actually really handy.
I've seen plenty of people adjusting their shocks, you really only need to do it once when you install and set them. Normal people don't adjust them every time they get on a new track, trail and road.
Pumped my discovery is landing the next 2 months gonna spend a few months tweaking
I am curious which size remote shock i need for mine 8 inch lifted F350 2002 the leaf springs around are pretty stiff because of the shocks that came with the kit i really like to have more flex so probably i need longer shocks
Ask a fkn shop not idiots on TH-cam 🤦♂️
@@jackdavies9626 that is a bit difficult considering i live in the Netherlands and we do t have a proper shop here except reiger suspension but i dont want to buy a 10.000 euro setup
Hello😊
OldEmu is good
The right shock for me Has to be at a Price suited to me...These are Not them
These things are over the top and unnecessary for 90% of 4x4ers. For daily driving and most tracks you’re not feeling any difference. Plus there’s more pieces to fail. I have had landcruisers with both and wouldn’t waste the money on remote res.
6:00 Smooth?? Mate even your voice is shaking 🤣
98% of the time you'll be OK with the aftermarket, the remote res is awesome if money are not object but most of the time an overkill...
Are the worth if f
No needfor them. Just a gimmick to bleed more cash out of people.
A Rolex and a Casio both tell the time - but one has other benefits. Not everyone needs remote res shocks, but there are tons of applications where you'll be cheering to have less shock fade, adjustability and all round better performance if you do have them!
@@b3nz0r12 you had cheap quality "profender" made shocks then. For remote res you are best sticking to the big names in performance shocks (kings, fox, icon, radflo). Superior make great fabrication stuff like arms and links but there shocks are just profenders built and valved to thier spec.
I have custom built fox 2.0s in the back of my fj and i give them hell and and have never had an issue, i have the 2.0 ifp foxs up front and they definetly start to fade on long corrugated roads before the rears and are definetly stiffer feeling than the rears
@@officialWWM if u actually watched the whole thing they did that to simulate a certain km of abuse obviously they're not going to reach 100xxxkm worth of shock testing in 1 or a few days so hence the speed up process
@@paladinjosh8272 rebuildable shocks have a shorter maintenance interval - they will fail with fewer k's than non-servicable items, The dyno test they are doing was to check for temperature when they compared to three styles - If you do a ton of flat out driving at speed, over the whumps - ya, remote resavoir is awesome. For low speed applications like off-road, especially in convoy where you are stopping frequently due to traffic or to watch your buddies do obstacles - A standard body shock won't overheat. I have serviceable remote reservoir shocks and we'll spend (just on parts) about the same per corner to service these every 25 to 30,000 mi as I would on a brand new OME or Billstein damper. I do a fair amount of higher speed off-road driving and lots of k's on deep washboards in Canada so that is why I made the (much more expensive) choice.
They make a huge difference bro I have fox remote res shocks with a decently loaded canopy and I can tell you they out preform my old pro fender shocks that I use to have on my old wagon but you don’t need them for average 2 inch lift agreed there but if your like me an run 4inch plus it’s totally worth it
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Up the arse?
@@local_authority what
Why are you bouncing on ya seat?your teeth are chattering on the rough road
I drive a GU, do you think I care about ride comfort?
I drive a Land Rover Series 2A, do you think I care about ride comfort😂😂😂
@@R.Sole88109 is it on the road long enough to notice? BAM! 😝😂
Laughs in Suzuki Sierra
Laughs at 79 owners😂😂😂
I drive a 79 do you think I care about ride comfort
Sell me sootys old shocks when you get new ones 👍🏻
This isn’t about cars 🫡😂😂Iykyk