This is practically everything the channel's been leading up to! Definitely going through some awesome strides with this channel, yall seriously are fantastic fanatics outdoing yourselves regularly! Whether they come daily or monthly or whatever I always look forward to sitting down with you guys :)
I agree. I will admit that at first when I found the channel the hand talking really bothered me but I got used to it and really like the content. So to me it’s called the hand talking duo
Thank you for this. Even though I have a handful of the expensive cards, it gets tiresome seeing every other channel casually suggest $25+ cards like it's no big deal. That could be a whole workday for some of us!
Yeah same, my budget limit is usually a few singles that are at most 10€ (~11$) each. And if decide to buy a more expensive one, then I usually sell some other cards or other stuff that I clearly don't need anymore. Also no shocklands or fetchlands. And even then MTG isn't exactly the cheapest hobby.
A benefit about End Raze Forerunners over Crathoof that's been relevant for me before is that if an opponent manages to fog or teferi's protection out, etc when go for the strike...End Raze leaves you a much better body on the field for next time. Craterhoof post etb is just a vanilla 5/5, forerunners at least leaves you a vigilant, trampling 7/7
I do have the forerunner but I went with thunderfoot baloth as my main craterhoof replacement. He gives a +2/+2 to all my creatures and trample. He does have the slight downside of only gaining that ability when my commander is out but that's not really a problem.
Talking about Doubling Season, don't forget about tokens where I found myself that instead of spend a whole turn playing DS for future tokens, it is more efficient make tokens early in the game and then populate them or play second harvest
Or just play Adrix and Nev, Twincasters. It has ward 2 so it’s at least a little protected, and you can get an entire token-doubling deck (and upgrade it) for less than the price of DS
Just to note for those who don’t know, Adrix and Nev, Twincasters work as a replacement for doubling season for tokens (it’s actually better for tokens being 4 mana and having ward 2) but of course it requires being simic+
My only quibble with your list is the Eldrazi Titans. It's really hard to replace their graveyard reshuffle effect on the original Ulamog and Kozilek, which is the primary reason I even include one in my decks. I agree that there's better and cheaper big monsters to use as finishers.
Just to let you know, there are a few other free counterspells that are alternatives to the blue forces: Thwart: bounce 3 islands (a terrible cost, but it's great for game ending stacks on a budget) Misdirection: Exile a blue card to redirect for free, can be used to end counter wars, or to protect your commander from spot removal Commandeer: Exile 2 blue spells to gain control of a spell (if it's a permanent, it comes into play on your side of the field, and if it targets you can reselect targets. The best use I've seen is stealing a decree of pain. Everything dies, but now I get to draw 20 >:))
Hey guys, as a huge fan who even watches your videos with the sound off, I think you should double check your language settings. For some reason my captions are trying to translate it to Vietnamese 😅. Might be an issue on my end.
Another budget option for The Great Henge is Guardian Project. Unless you're building for tokens every creature will draw you a card and if you have bounce/flicker effects it gets even better.
I love Rielle because she makes those sorts of cards so busted! If you had told me three years ago my play group would be whining over how busted Attunement looked I would have said you were nuts XD
Put Frontier Siege in my enchantress deck because I didn't have a spare Smothering Tithe and because Siege is way cheaper. Turns out the Dragons mode isn't completely dead in a deck that makes flying angel tokens. I like that you are talking about budget like this. There are times when you want a "less good" version of something. Noyan Dar wants to run weird boardwipes that don't kill your animated lands, so Supreme Verdict (arguably the best Wrath ever) is out.
Profaner of the Dead is one of my favorite budget replacements for Cyclonic Rift. Only hits creatures but also only hits your opponents and that's usually all you need for an alpha strike
This is a great video. I had no idea phyrexian altar was so expensive cuz it had gone down to 10 when ultimate masters came out, and I just assumed it stayed there
I use River’s Rebuke as a Rift substitute. Not a full board wipe, but if it can push back a player who’s getting ready to go off, it can feel like a public service. I mostly use it in my Kinnan deck that has mana coming out the ears and not much mass removal.
22:55 instead of Damnation you could use Nightmare Unmaking too, 5 CMC you choose if you exile all creatures with power less than/or equal to thw number of cards in your hand; or exile all creatures with power greater than/or equal to the number of cards in your hand. To me that is a great boardwipe in most black decks, also exiles
for Cyclonic Rift replacements, i feel that Flood of Tears is underrate as well. yes its a bit expensive at sorcery speed, but the potential to cheat something into play is nice too ^^
All is see when I look at ghostway, eerie interlude and teferi's protection is the scarecrow army blinking along with Reaper King, coming to steal everyone else's hopes and dreams (and lands, mostly lands). Brings a tear of joy to my eye every damn time.
@@mella4376 semesters end from strixhaven and brago are what you are looking for on the blink side. But then on the whoops my scarecrows got murdered side you have like nightmare shepherd or Gerrard
Hate to break it to you but Kozilek, the Great Distortion absolutely can go into every deck; the only reason he isn't expensive like the others is because he doesn't have the shuffle-titan clause which is one of the only reason the others generally get played.
Literally the same card it just doesn't affect all types of counters, and If you're using doubling season you're probably just going after +1/+1 anyways
Engulf the shore is actually great in some two and three color decks! I run it in Nymris cause she got that big booty, and it usually ends up being a single sided board wipe except for her. I also have it in Eligeth and Thraximundar for the same reason. If your commanders got big enough toughness and you just want to clean up the board a little bit, it's okay that you only have 4-5 islands!
Forgot Disrupting Shoal. It's not cheap but it's definitely useable in situations where you absolutely need something. It really does require you have more options available for card draw, but it is another option. There's also Daze
Me who recently bought doubling season for my chatter-fang deck. 👀 Parallel lives was almost as much so I was convinced by my boyfriend that I can use doubling for more instances if I ever want to put it in a different deck. Was a long consideration period though.
Give me more mono-white staples grades! I know you guys loved that series, and I did too! Thanks for all the videos, glad I found and have been binging you guys lately.
An honorable mention for the counters doublers is Corpsejack Menace or Winding Constrictor if you're running Golgari or Abzan counters which is pretty underrated. There's also Conclave Mentor (G/W) from M21 that has the same effect as Hardened Scales but when it dies, you gain life equal to its power Another point in favour of Foil over Force of Will is you're discarding instead of casting to exile. A deck like Hakim, Loreweaver or Gisa and Geralf want things pitched into the graveyard to cast or pull out later on and that fuels the engine for free
I did actually run into a deck that had Eldrazi titan in the decklist and an altar of dementia loop was my only option to win. Dude had the titan in his hand!
Disrupting Shoal and misdirection are worth mentioning alongside the force cards. Misdirection isn't counter per say, but can occasionally be just as effective or even better.
fast lands are almost all expensive but at least there's a number of cheap tapped duals to tutor for with your farseeks etc. kaldheim snow duals, mh2 artifact duals, battle for Zendikar lands... I'm really happy for those!
Another one for the cyclonic rift on a budget is spectral deluge, does the same thing as another card you mentioned with the added benefit of foretell, so you can pretend it's Saw it Coming.
Evacuation is also a good alt to cyc rift. That having been said, I actually prefer aetherize and aetherspouts outright (illusionist's gambit is also good). I like keeping my opponents' creatures on board if possible and getting them to attack each other (I usually play a low win con count, and generally try to grind out a win rather than deploy a bomb, so having opponents' with creatures to use against each other works for me), and hold cards like aetherize for that specific moment when they make the difference. I also prefer asymmetric board wipes, and while I don't play a lot of creatures in control decks, the few I do play are usually pretty critically important. Hence why cards like aether gale, hex, or river's rebuke are my go to mass removal spells, over something like perplexing test.
Overwhelming Stampede is wild. It's in my Ghatla deck. Get out some chump creatures. Maybe lay an Unnatural Growth and cast Stampede. Dragon Throne of Tarkir does the same thing but it's an equip-able artifact that taps your biggest creature so you can do it every combat to be extra mean.
The price tag on Doubling season and Parallel lives is the sole reason I immediately bought Adrix and Nev precon commander deck. Adrix and Nev is one of those cards I anticipate will also approach those levels of prices once they stop selling strixhaven precons. On another side note, Growing Rites of Itlimoc is a semi budget alternative to Gaea's Cradle. Sure, it's approaching 30 dollars compared to its older price tag of sub 10 on release, but I'll take that over what is currently easily over 750. And I can assure you, the decks that run Gaea's cradle will be flipping into Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun just fine without even breaking a sweat.
There's a great interaction with Archaeomancer and Evacuation as long as you have 9 mana. Every turn, say goodbye to your creatures. ;) I like Sunder and Scourge of Fleets, too.
I like Ruin Grinder as my replacement for Wheel of Fortune. 6 mana for a menace beater that lets everyone choose to wheel if it dies (and if a player doesn't kill it, they get beaten in the face with it).
void winnower has drawn more ire than almost any other card at my table. it was totally worth every penny. ...and chatterfang kinda likes grave titan...
I almost feel like Blossoming Bogbeast is a decent replacement for Pathfinder Ibex if you're really looking to save money (only $0.66). But this video was great and really encourages people to dissect these staples and see what effect they really need from a card.
Dark Deal, Dragon Mage, Magus of the Wheel, Incendiary Command, Collective Defiance, Whispering Madness, Flux, and Diminishing Returns are all cheap wheel effects
Green sun zenith effects are precisely the reason why henge is so expensive. You have to cast the card to beast whisperer to draw you. I feel like some of the best options were left out that draw a card if the creature is power/toughness higher than x. Those allow you to draw off tokens like rampaging baloths and really lets some cool decks go off.
One of my friends has an adrix and niv twincasters deck, and had doubling season up, and then cast mystic reflection (I think that's the card, the next time a creature comes into play it comes in as a copy of target creature) and then put the hornet queen (again pretty sure that's the card name but not 100%, makes token flying deathtouchers) and got eight of them, then ended up with 256 tokens total, then I hit him with the legions end on the tokens
Thwart is another free counterspell. The free cost is pretty steep but if its late game or you are blue green it can be a nice budget alternative to force of will.
I don't have a Phyrexian Altar, and I doubt I'll get one any time soon, but I think I'd only want it in 1 deck. I think more decks want Altar of Dementia, or should, as a back (or primary) win con. Infinite creatures isn't hard to get in Commander, and Dementia is colourless even, so I use it in a Simic deck. I dunno, I liked Kamahl's Will enough to fit it into my mono-Green deck that is quite starved of creature removal (compared to what I'd like anyways), since it not only does that, it also makes your lands weenies, which can be a reasonably big deal later game. It's not the best card in the deck, but it's among the best targeted creature removal options in mono-green. It can even hit a pretty big creature if necessary. It's like a smaller, much worse Monstrous Onslaught in that deck, but that card is insane in there. Haha, I run Terastodon in my Legacy Elves deck, where his cost is less of a barrier. It can come out turn 4 (MAYBE turn 3), and it's usually pretty funny when it hits the table. I usually blow up their lands so they can't wipe me, but if they've got nothing, I blow up my own Forests for 3/3s. The deck has 2, and they tend to come in pairs, which ends up being way less awkward than you'd expect. I've double spelled them before too, it's just a great budget finisher that doesn't require much support beyond piles of mana to do work. I'm adding Blossoming Bogbeast to make the deck hit a bit harder, and they do have fun synergy if the opponent isn't able to kill me for 5 turns or so, and it's actually running a few lifegain cards incidentally already, so that just fits like a glove. Overwhelming Stampede can be way, way better than Craterhoof in some decks. If you can't go consistently very wide but can count on being really tall, it hits much harder. I don't want Craterhoof for my Multani, Maro-Sorcerer deck, but I do run Overwhelming Stampede, because Craterhoof isn't much of a payoff if I've got 3 or 4 other creatures out, which can easily happen, but a 50/50 Trample Shroud and 3 or 4 +25 creatures with Trample will usually end things. Blossoming Bogbeast is a decent Pathbreaker Ibex knockoff, and it can be solid if you can count on gaining lots of life before combat somehow, but just giving your whole board +2/+2 and trample can feel quite good.
An alternative to The Great Henge is Guardian Project (3G), which you can get for about $10. In Commander, it reads: draw a card whenever a creature enters then battlefield.
Enjoying the fact I got a wheel of fortune ages ago for like $70 (actually less since I had a good amount of store credit) It’s banged up to hell since the condition I got it up wasn’t great, but still love having the thing. Great seeing these budget cards too since they are definitely great to play as well. 26:17 Humble defector aka Humble Exchange student in my group.
One way to probably beat an eldrazi with an alter of dementia loop is to mill their whole deck over and over until the eldrazi is the only card in the deck. (if your play group will let you skip the steps to that game state) You would have to survive a go around or two but its possible.
29:00 I was going to such Guardian Project as a card you forgot, but then Looked it up on TCGPlayer and it moved up a bit to $12. Still a bit budget but depends on player's budget. its a great green Enchantment draw for commander. Only does nontoken, but its a come into play effect, so it can be abused and at only 2GG it get setup fast. I run it in my GB Elves myself.
Honestly, at this point I watch your videos just to see how many creative ways you guys can include a jab at grave titan. 😂 don't get me wrong I love how much of a better commander player I've become because of your content but the GT jokes give me life.
I love humble defector in aristocrat-style decks, if nobody wants to make a deal, I'll threaten to sac that boy with his ability on the stack, then you hold all the power in any sort of negotiation.
Let me tell you that i've been watching all your most recents videos, GREAT CONTENT! I wish I've know your channell before, you are doing an amazing work.
Also, River's Rebuke is a good budget alternative to Cyclonic Rift; albeit, it only hits target opponent. Edit: Sorcery speed, and for 4UU. Currently ~$1-2
Same here. I got my DS years back at like $40. At the time I felt kinda stupid for putting so much in a single piece of cardstock, but at least I beat the price spike 😂
Aetherspouts can actually work better than cyclonic rift in certain situations. It is only attacking creatures, but if you’re playing magic you’ll likely have people that want to attack you.
The thing about Aetherspouts is you either guarantee all they're drawing is stuff they've already had for awhile, or those creatures are just gone at the bottom of the opponent's library. That's way better than just putting them into the opponent's hand. Aetherize is kind of meh compared to the other options for sure though.
Humble defector would be fun with this green creature who has an effect that at the beginning of every end step each player gains control of all cards they own. Brooding Saurian is the name looked it up
You guys are right, I should replace all my staples with Grave Titan.
replace them all with Sengir Aristocrat
That's impossible, because you can't replace grave titan with grave titan
That would be so OP.
@@danielsniff6405 😂
This is practically everything the channel's been leading up to! Definitely going through some awesome strides with this channel, yall seriously are fantastic fanatics outdoing yourselves regularly! Whether they come daily or monthly or whatever I always look forward to sitting down with you guys :)
This is the nicest comment ever! Thanks so much :D
I agree. I will admit that at first when I found the channel the hand talking really bothered me but I got used to it and really like the content. So to me it’s called the hand talking duo
Thank you for this. Even though I have a handful of the expensive cards, it gets tiresome seeing every other channel casually suggest $25+ cards like it's no big deal. That could be a whole workday for some of us!
Yeah same, my budget limit is usually a few singles that are at most 10€ (~11$) each. And if decide to buy a more expensive one, then I usually sell some other cards or other stuff that I clearly don't need anymore.
Also no shocklands or fetchlands. And even then MTG isn't exactly the cheapest hobby.
It's fun to watch you rant about pests when Spawning Pit makes spawns
In the back of my head, I was thinking "are they even pests?" I didn't expect Joe to go off like that 😂
That logo-flickering-sputtering-light-sound at the end of each video puts me in some sort of relaxed tranquil state everytime 👌
We are hypnotizing you to click on the next video
I was surprised to not see Vorinclex as a replacement for doubling season but then I found out it’s like 30 dollars itself already 😅
I was shocked too! Craziness
Doubling season is a replacement for vorinclex 💀
Another plus to “Foil” is you pitch the cards to your graveyard instead of exiling like FOW. Great for graveyard decks :)
Glad I'm in the proxy gang
Wouldn’t be playing if I wasnt
Good for you, no need to flaunt it.
A benefit about End Raze Forerunners over Crathoof that's been relevant for me before is that if an opponent manages to fog or teferi's protection out, etc when go for the strike...End Raze leaves you a much better body on the field for next time. Craterhoof post etb is just a vanilla 5/5, forerunners at least leaves you a vigilant, trampling 7/7
Yeah, I only have a craterhoof because I happened to pull one in the innistrad set when I was like 12
Also, since they all got vigilance, they're still available to block!
I do have the forerunner but I went with thunderfoot baloth as my main craterhoof replacement. He gives a +2/+2 to all my creatures and trample. He does have the slight downside of only gaining that ability when my commander is out but that's not really a problem.
Alright I’m gonna say it. I like Grave Titan. He’s an absolute force in my araumi deck
Thats actually an ok use for him tbh
I won a game with grave titan once. I get it that there are better things you can usually do for 6 mana but its still a good card.
Talking about Doubling Season, don't forget about tokens where I found myself that instead of spend a whole turn playing DS for future tokens, it is more efficient make tokens early in the game and then populate them or play second harvest
Or just play Adrix and Nev, Twincasters. It has ward 2 so it’s at least a little protected, and you can get an entire token-doubling deck (and upgrade it) for less than the price of DS
What about Primal Vigor? Isn't that literally the same thing as doubling season except it only effect +1/+1 counters instead of all types of counters?
“They are insects, not pests” says the guy who has obviously never had to deal with termites. 😂
We haven't dealt with termites and it shows :(
My wallet needed this, thanks!
We got you
Just to note for those who don’t know, Adrix and Nev, Twincasters work as a replacement for doubling season for tokens (it’s actually better for tokens being 4 mana and having ward 2) but of course it requires being simic+
I wouldn't say better given it gets hit by far more wraths and removal spells.( though ward 2 does make that harder).
My only quibble with your list is the Eldrazi Titans. It's really hard to replace their graveyard reshuffle effect on the original Ulamog and Kozilek, which is the primary reason I even include one in my decks. I agree that there's better and cheaper big monsters to use as finishers.
"69 cents, a nice price I'd say"
I see what you did there.
Also, Nice.
Noice
We are hip with the memes
69 cents and 420 dollars :^)
For the Titans, I don't even care about the creature, just the text that shuffles my graveyard into my deck. Still a great video!
Nitpicking correction here is you referred multiple times to Emrakul as “he” it’s stated in lore and in cards that Emrakul is a “she or her”
Joe ALWAYS misgenders Emrakul and I love to correct him for it
I seriously appreciate videos like this for us newbs
Happy they can help!
My dudes this was a good one 👍🏻 more of these please. I’d love to be more budget friendly in the future.
Just to let you know, there are a few other free counterspells that are alternatives to the blue forces:
Thwart: bounce 3 islands (a terrible cost, but it's great for game ending stacks on a budget)
Misdirection: Exile a blue card to redirect for free, can be used to end counter wars, or to protect your commander from spot removal
Commandeer: Exile 2 blue spells to gain control of a spell (if it's a permanent, it comes into play on your side of the field, and if it targets you can reselect targets. The best use I've seen is stealing a decree of pain. Everything dies, but now I get to draw 20 >:))
Hey guys, as a huge fan who even watches your videos with the sound off, I think you should double check your language settings. For some reason my captions are trying to translate it to Vietnamese 😅. Might be an issue on my end.
Just out of curiosity I checked mine and yea the only caption option is "auto-generated Vietnamese"... very curious as to why🤔 I blame TH-cam
Spawning pit makes spawn artifact creature tokens. I’m pretty sure strixhaven is the first time pest became an actual creature type
The card Nuisance Engine from OG Mirrodin made 0/1 artifact Pest creature tokens.
Another budget option for The Great Henge is Guardian Project. Unless you're building for tokens every creature will draw you a card and if you have bounce/flicker effects it gets even better.
A good replacement for the behemoth is Marton Stromgald, I have it in my Hazezon Tamar deck, since I have by default a ton of haste inablers
Really enjoyed that you labeled your sections. Makes it much easier to find the cards relevant to my decks. Thank you very much
Great video! I love foil and sometimes makes it in my not budget lists. Foil in Rielle is chef's kiss
Foil in Rielle feels like cheating lol
I love Rielle because she makes those sorts of cards so busted! If you had told me three years ago my play group would be whining over how busted Attunement looked I would have said you were nuts XD
Put Frontier Siege in my enchantress deck because I didn't have a spare Smothering Tithe and because Siege is way cheaper. Turns out the Dragons mode isn't completely dead in a deck that makes flying angel tokens.
I like that you are talking about budget like this. There are times when you want a "less good" version of something. Noyan Dar wants to run weird boardwipes that don't kill your animated lands, so Supreme Verdict (arguably the best Wrath ever) is out.
Profaner of the Dead is one of my favorite budget replacements for Cyclonic Rift. Only hits creatures but also only hits your opponents and that's usually all you need for an alpha strike
This is a great video. I had no idea phyrexian altar was so expensive cuz it had gone down to 10 when ultimate masters came out, and I just assumed it stayed there
It is CRAZY how much it spiked!
Thanks for showing me eerie interlude. Dodge board wipe and get ETB triggers to go off in one card!
I use River’s Rebuke as a Rift substitute. Not a full board wipe, but if it can push back a player who’s getting ready to go off, it can feel like a public service. I mostly use it in my Kinnan deck that has mana coming out the ears and not much mass removal.
22:55 instead of Damnation you could use Nightmare Unmaking too, 5 CMC you choose if you exile all creatures with power less than/or equal to thw number of cards in your hand; or exile all creatures with power greater than/or equal to the number of cards in your hand. To me that is a great boardwipe in most black decks, also exiles
I like using Extinction Event :P
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 yes, it also exiles almost all tokens when you choose even
for Cyclonic Rift replacements, i feel that Flood of Tears is underrate as well. yes its a bit expensive at sorcery speed, but the potential to cheat something into play is nice too ^^
We like flood of tears! The dream is putting out Omniscience 😍
Now I have to get a copy of flood of tears for my Grand Arbiter deck. Thanx for the suggestion.
I was extremely fortunate enough to pull a Teferi’s protection Japanese Alt Art from my Japanese Strix box 📦 🎉
Loved it just remember wheel of misfortune is honestly probably the 2nd best wheel effect and it’s like 3$
In red
You guys should make another vid about terrible “Just you wait” cards 😂
All is see when I look at ghostway, eerie interlude and teferi's protection is the scarecrow army blinking along with Reaper King, coming to steal everyone else's hopes and dreams (and lands, mostly lands). Brings a tear of joy to my eye every damn time.
It sounds good but they don’t leave and reenter the battlefield with teferi’s protection
@@TahuNuva2008 haha revealing which one of the three I don't own whoops
@@mella4376 :)
@@mella4376 semesters end from strixhaven and brago are what you are looking for on the blink side. But then on the whoops my scarecrows got murdered side you have like nightmare shepherd or Gerrard
Hate to break it to you but Kozilek, the Great Distortion absolutely can go into every deck; the only reason he isn't expensive like the others is because he doesn't have the shuffle-titan clause which is one of the only reason the others generally get played.
Well no, not every deck can reliably generate 2 colorless mana, and not ever deck wants a 10 drop creature anyway
Primal vigor is also a great under $20 alternative for doubling season
Literally the same card it just doesn't affect all types of counters, and If you're using doubling season you're probably just going after +1/+1 anyways
I’ve really been enjoying Spectral Deluge as a one sided wipe. Even in decks with Cyclonic Rift.
A decent option for replacing Rift is Wash Out. While a sorcery it can provide you with a one sided wipe to get in and win a game.
Budget free sac outlet that also produces mana is Thermopod in Red. Just a little FYI, noticed he wasn’t mentioned in the Phyrexian Altar section.
Engulf the shore is actually great in some two and three color decks! I run it in Nymris cause she got that big booty, and it usually ends up being a single sided board wipe except for her. I also have it in Eligeth and Thraximundar for the same reason. If your commanders got big enough toughness and you just want to clean up the board a little bit, it's okay that you only have 4-5 islands!
That's what I'm saying! Joe is a non-believer
@@NitpickingNerds oh man, you got to believe, Joe. Build around the toughness component in particular and it really can feel like a cyclonic rift.
Forgot Disrupting Shoal. It's not cheap but it's definitely useable in situations where you absolutely need something. It really does require you have more options available for card draw, but it is another option. There's also Daze
Me who recently bought doubling season for my chatter-fang deck. 👀
Parallel lives was almost as much so I was convinced by my boyfriend that I can use doubling for more instances if I ever want to put it in a different deck. Was a long consideration period though.
Give me more mono-white staples grades! I know you guys loved that series, and I did too! Thanks for all the videos, glad I found and have been binging you guys lately.
An honorable mention for the counters doublers is Corpsejack Menace or Winding Constrictor if you're running Golgari or Abzan counters which is pretty underrated. There's also Conclave Mentor (G/W) from M21 that has the same effect as Hardened Scales but when it dies, you gain life equal to its power
Another point in favour of Foil over Force of Will is you're discarding instead of casting to exile. A deck like Hakim, Loreweaver or Gisa and Geralf want things pitched into the graveyard to cast or pull out later on and that fuels the engine for free
Fun fact, the gatherer text for Void Winnower actually says "Yes, your opponent can't even. We know."
I did actually run into a deck that had Eldrazi titan in the decklist and an altar of dementia loop was my only option to win. Dude had the titan in his hand!
Womp Womp 😂
Disrupting Shoal and misdirection are worth mentioning alongside the force cards. Misdirection isn't counter per say, but can occasionally be just as effective or even better.
I love a cheeky misdirection
Well I think that shockalnds/duel lands are out of the water...
What do you mean?
@@NitpickingNerds Not very many cheap WORKING alternatives to shocklands/duellands, which dont have too heavy a downside (enters tapped)
@@Froggy67823 usually it’s enters tapped trash. Lol wizards always prints good lands at rare
fast lands are almost all expensive but at least there's a number of cheap tapped duals to tutor for with your farseeks etc. kaldheim snow duals, mh2 artifact duals, battle for Zendikar lands... I'm really happy for those!
Another one for the cyclonic rift on a budget is spectral deluge, does the same thing as another card you mentioned with the added benefit of foretell, so you can pretend it's Saw it Coming.
How do I know Chulane is broken? A budget Chulane deck in my pod got Emrakul'd and then won the game two turns later.
Evacuation is also a good alt to cyc rift. That having been said, I actually prefer aetherize and aetherspouts outright (illusionist's gambit is also good). I like keeping my opponents' creatures on board if possible and getting them to attack each other (I usually play a low win con count, and generally try to grind out a win rather than deploy a bomb, so having opponents' with creatures to use against each other works for me), and hold cards like aetherize for that specific moment when they make the difference. I also prefer asymmetric board wipes, and while I don't play a lot of creatures in control decks, the few I do play are usually pretty critically important. Hence why cards like aether gale, hex, or river's rebuke are my go to mass removal spells, over something like perplexing test.
Etali has won me a game in such a huge fashion. Because of my fancy for foils these budget options kinda get pricier. Thanks for the video!
Overwhelming Stampede is wild. It's in my Ghatla deck. Get out some chump creatures. Maybe lay an Unnatural Growth and cast Stampede. Dragon Throne of Tarkir does the same thing but it's an equip-able artifact that taps your biggest creature so you can do it every combat to be extra mean.
The price tag on Doubling season and Parallel lives is the sole reason I immediately bought Adrix and Nev precon commander deck. Adrix and Nev is one of those cards I anticipate will also approach those levels of prices once they stop selling strixhaven precons.
On another side note, Growing Rites of Itlimoc is a semi budget alternative to Gaea's Cradle. Sure, it's approaching 30 dollars compared to its older price tag of sub 10 on release, but I'll take that over what is currently easily over 750. And I can assure you, the decks that run Gaea's cradle will be flipping into Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun just fine without even breaking a sweat.
i love artisan of kozilek. even level 9 and 10 decks have to respect it when i added it to my fresh out the box precon
There's a great interaction with Archaeomancer and Evacuation as long as you have 9 mana. Every turn, say goodbye to your creatures. ;) I like Sunder and Scourge of Fleets, too.
I like Ruin Grinder as my replacement for Wheel of Fortune. 6 mana for a menace beater that lets everyone choose to wheel if it dies (and if a player doesn't kill it, they get beaten in the face with it).
void winnower has drawn more ire than almost any other card at my table. it was totally worth every penny. ...and chatterfang kinda likes grave titan...
I almost feel like Blossoming Bogbeast is a decent replacement for Pathfinder Ibex if you're really looking to save money (only $0.66).
But this video was great and really encourages people to dissect these staples and see what effect they really need from a card.
I would add Windfall and Tolarian Winds for Wheel of Fortune. Yes, slightly different effects, but also powerful.
Dark Deal, Dragon Mage, Magus of the Wheel, Incendiary Command, Collective Defiance, Whispering Madness, Flux, and Diminishing Returns are all cheap wheel effects
Green sun zenith effects are precisely the reason why henge is so expensive. You have to cast the card to beast whisperer to draw you. I feel like some of the best options were left out that draw a card if the creature is power/toughness higher than x. Those allow you to draw off tokens like rampaging baloths and really lets some cool decks go off.
One of my friends has an adrix and niv twincasters deck, and had doubling season up, and then cast mystic reflection (I think that's the card, the next time a creature comes into play it comes in as a copy of target creature) and then put the hornet queen (again pretty sure that's the card name but not 100%, makes token flying deathtouchers) and got eight of them, then ended up with 256 tokens total, then I hit him with the legions end on the tokens
Thwart is another free counterspell. The free cost is pretty steep but if its late game or you are blue green it can be a nice budget alternative to force of will.
Hey an episode where Beezy doesn't interrupt the other guy every 2 seconds. How refreshing
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I don't have a Phyrexian Altar, and I doubt I'll get one any time soon, but I think I'd only want it in 1 deck. I think more decks want Altar of Dementia, or should, as a back (or primary) win con. Infinite creatures isn't hard to get in Commander, and Dementia is colourless even, so I use it in a Simic deck.
I dunno, I liked Kamahl's Will enough to fit it into my mono-Green deck that is quite starved of creature removal (compared to what I'd like anyways), since it not only does that, it also makes your lands weenies, which can be a reasonably big deal later game. It's not the best card in the deck, but it's among the best targeted creature removal options in mono-green. It can even hit a pretty big creature if necessary. It's like a smaller, much worse Monstrous Onslaught in that deck, but that card is insane in there.
Haha, I run Terastodon in my Legacy Elves deck, where his cost is less of a barrier. It can come out turn 4 (MAYBE turn 3), and it's usually pretty funny when it hits the table. I usually blow up their lands so they can't wipe me, but if they've got nothing, I blow up my own Forests for 3/3s. The deck has 2, and they tend to come in pairs, which ends up being way less awkward than you'd expect. I've double spelled them before too, it's just a great budget finisher that doesn't require much support beyond piles of mana to do work. I'm adding Blossoming Bogbeast to make the deck hit a bit harder, and they do have fun synergy if the opponent isn't able to kill me for 5 turns or so, and it's actually running a few lifegain cards incidentally already, so that just fits like a glove.
Overwhelming Stampede can be way, way better than Craterhoof in some decks. If you can't go consistently very wide but can count on being really tall, it hits much harder. I don't want Craterhoof for my Multani, Maro-Sorcerer deck, but I do run Overwhelming Stampede, because Craterhoof isn't much of a payoff if I've got 3 or 4 other creatures out, which can easily happen, but a 50/50 Trample Shroud and 3 or 4 +25 creatures with Trample will usually end things. Blossoming Bogbeast is a decent Pathbreaker Ibex knockoff, and it can be solid if you can count on gaining lots of life before combat somehow, but just giving your whole board +2/+2 and trample can feel quite good.
Also, foil puts the cards in the graveyard instead of in exile - may be notable for graveyard decks.
Love budget options this will come in handy thanks Joe and BZ
Keep an eye peeled for em!
Phyrexian Altar is due for a reprint. I have Pitiless Plunderer and Ashnod's Altar in my Teysa deck but I still want PA
Friggin PLUNDERER needs a reprint too!
@@NitpickingNerds also true. It doesn't have any reprints.
Another Teysa, Orzhov scion player!? I see you're a man of culture too.
An alternative to The Great Henge is Guardian Project (3G), which you can get for about $10. In Commander, it reads: draw a card whenever a creature enters then battlefield.
Also a sweet one
Love the "shenans" callback! Gotta respect continuity😂
Enjoying the fact I got a wheel of fortune ages ago for like $70 (actually less since I had a good amount of store credit) It’s banged up to hell since the condition I got it up wasn’t great, but still love having the thing. Great seeing these budget cards too since they are definitely great to play as well.
26:17 Humble defector aka Humble Exchange student in my group.
Haven’t played in like a year or two. Watching this and realizing some of my cards have tripled in value
I actually have End Raze forerunners in my Volo deck, and turns out +4/+4 to all my creatures is actually very close to a craterhoof effect.
One way to probably beat an eldrazi with an alter of dementia loop is to mill their whole deck over and over until the eldrazi is the only card in the deck. (if your play group will let you skip the steps to that game state) You would have to survive a go around or two but its possible.
29:00 I was going to such Guardian Project as a card you forgot, but then Looked it up on TCGPlayer and it moved up a bit to $12. Still a bit budget but depends on player's budget.
its a great green Enchantment draw for commander. Only does nontoken, but its a come into play effect, so it can be abused and at only 2GG it get setup fast. I run it in my GB Elves myself.
In place of Craterhoof, if you also are playing white, could be Jazal Goldmane. It's not hard for it to add up to hundreds of damage.
Semester's end is a good replacement for teferi's protrctio specially for non-token creature / planeswalker strategies.
Humble defector has a neat little combo with Homeward path
I play Engulf in Aesi, it almost always hits high toughness. It's good alternative for Rift there.
Let me add Akromas Will for Teferis protection with offensive upside for big boardstate decks.
True, good point!
Absolute star in my Party deck. Since I often need that extra push for lethal more than I need to save my board.
Disrupting Shoal is also a decent cheap and free counter spell for mono blue decks imo
Thank you for the alternatives. Recently found a 60 card deck that has 3 Henge in the list >.< this will definitely help keep the cost down
This is pretty much exactly the kind of video I asked for not too long ago, git some good alternatives for the super pricey staples
Hope you enjoyed!
For counter spells I would of giving a mention to stubborn denial. yeah its noncreature but those are typically the bigger threat spells.
Honestly, at this point I watch your videos just to see how many creative ways you guys can include a jab at grave titan. 😂 don't get me wrong I love how much of a better commander player I've become because of your content but the GT jokes give me life.
Well we wouldn't want you to die, so I guess we'll have to keep making fun of him :P
At 36:40
Earthshaker Giant
6 mana, come out on table early because of that, and gives all +3+3 and trample
I love humble defector in aristocrat-style decks, if nobody wants to make a deal, I'll threaten to sac that boy with his ability on the stack, then you hold all the power in any sort of negotiation.
Let me tell you that i've been watching all your most recents videos, GREAT CONTENT!
I wish I've know your channell before, you are doing an amazing work.
Also, River's Rebuke is a good budget alternative to Cyclonic Rift; albeit, it only hits target opponent.
Edit: Sorcery speed, and for 4UU. Currently ~$1-2
Thwart is a great budget free counter spell, if you're in a variation of simic
I picked up my Doubling Season at $38, thought it was a bit much THEN. Lol
It was was now it’s insane lol
@@NitpickingNerds I appreciate the example you used with it because I run it specifically because of Vraska, Golgari Queen. Haha
I sold my Lion's Eye Diamond when it was 40€ (not too long ago). Those price spikes are just ridiculous.
@@Zendrig that's crazy LED has been over 100$ here in the US as long as I can remember. At least 5 years.
Same here. I got my DS years back at like $40. At the time I felt kinda stupid for putting so much in a single piece of cardstock, but at least I beat the price spike 😂
Aetherspouts can actually work better than cyclonic rift in certain situations. It is only attacking creatures, but if you’re playing magic you’ll likely have people that want to attack you.
I miss the unrefined rawness and occasional blooper reel action of your early videos, and it was fun to see it happen at the end of this one =)
Thanks. I love these budget alternative videos since like you guys mentioned, I'm just looking for x effect
The thing about Aetherspouts is you either guarantee all they're drawing is stuff they've already had for awhile, or those creatures are just gone at the bottom of the opponent's library. That's way better than just putting them into the opponent's hand. Aetherize is kind of meh compared to the other options for sure though.
Humble defector would be fun with this green creature who has an effect that at the beginning of every end step each player gains control of all cards they own. Brooding Saurian is the name looked it up