Our Top 10 Salty Cards in Commander | The Worst Commander Cards to Play Against

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  • We're counting down our picks for the SALTIEST commander cards: The WORST EDH cards to play against!
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    You know it when you see it. Those cards that just make you groan and go "aw man, why do have to play against this?" These are the most annoying cards to play against, or the worst cards to play against, or the saltiest magic cards, whichever you prefer. We are using our own metrics and experience rather than EDHREC. Let us know your salty cards!

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  • @puttputt524
    @puttputt524 3 ปีที่แล้ว +138

    You hear: top ten saltiest cards.
    I hear: decklist.

  • @omahonda
    @omahonda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    I so want to play against that guy who randomly reshuffles his deck after casting an Approach of the Second Sun. That guy sounds awesome!

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      #WILDCARD

    • @owendumas7500
      @owendumas7500 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      definetly chaotic neutral energy

    • @imandashti981
      @imandashti981 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Wait can you just randomly shuffle at any time? If so then brainstorm OP lmao

    • @stevencowan37
      @stevencowan37 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@imandashti981 You can't, but there are a ton of cards that include "shuffle your library" in their effects; generally any sort of fetch or tutor effect will do it.

    • @jajahatman8842
      @jajahatman8842 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      LMAOOO I did that once 😭😭

  • @nicholasbower17
    @nicholasbower17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Opponent plays Show and Tell against my Dragon deck.
    He drops an Omniscience.
    I drop an Omniscience.
    He realizes he screwed up majorly.
    Third guy at the table puts down a 2 mana vampire and accepts his fate.
    Dragons rain from the sky on my turn.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Ha! Show and Tell is like the riskiest EDH card ever 😂

    • @trn288
      @trn288 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@NitpickingNerds i play divine gambit for the meme

    • @reno2934
      @reno2934 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      they didn't just win with their omniscience on the field?

    • @sophieirisviel4100
      @sophieirisviel4100 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@reno2934 probably didn’t have enough cards to win the game immediately, and wasn’t expecting anyone else to have an answer for it too

  • @MustangMike52
    @MustangMike52 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Spore Frog in a Muldrotha deck is always infuriating. Always Guaranteed to be a 2 hour game minimum even if its just a 1v1

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Especially if combat is the main way games end, I've definitely stalled things before with Spore Frog in Karador

    • @everythingisbizzaaaaaro3694
      @everythingisbizzaaaaaro3694 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      This Muldrotha player approves. Guilty as charged.

    • @psychozen7169
      @psychozen7169 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don't forget misty too.

    • @Andreasws24
      @Andreasws24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I agree, though it's much much better in Meren.

    • @badgerinthewood
      @badgerinthewood 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm so guilty. Bro I need to stall so I can mill myself and win!

  • @SvviftDeath
    @SvviftDeath 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    A card that is cheap, gets around Notion Thief and Hullbreacher or any draw trigger for that matter is Abundance. Great cheap side option for stopping wheels from screwing you over since you get to decide which replacement trigger replaces the draw and even gives you the option of what you want to get more. Land or non land. It even gets around Narset since the first draw is replaced in your draw step so you technically never actually draw a card.

    • @UniversalJuan
      @UniversalJuan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It and Sylvan Library are auto adds for me. If I can get them both out, I can typically run away with the game after just once activation. It's so freaking good!

    • @nickhughes8179
      @nickhughes8179 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I found out the hard way that Abundance stops Nekusar dead.

  • @helmhamerhand733
    @helmhamerhand733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I thoroughly enjoy your show gentlemen, my group is at it’s infancy and your takes on EDH is probably a glimpse into our future. Oh and i think you’re quite funny.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That's so nice of you so say, thanks for watching! Always makes our day to hear nice feedback :D

  • @baconsir1159
    @baconsir1159 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I started with Yugioh and switched over to MTG, so I can’t really relate to the tutor hate. When every deck has 5 different searchers, 15 cards they have access to every game, and a 40-card deck with mostly 3-ofs you really learn to appreciate the more subtle differences between each game.

    • @w4tch0ut10
      @w4tch0ut10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's really just noobs hating on tutors. Personally, I don't know a single person that doenst like tutors 😂

    • @totakekeslider3835
      @totakekeslider3835 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pokemon too. Half of your deck is consistency cards that draw an absurd amount or tutors to go and get specific Pokemon or combo pieces you need. It makes sense in the context of the game because you literally can't play if you have no Pokemon, but I feel like consistency is king in any constructed format where you can have multiple copies of a card. We don't really play with tutors in our play group because we feel it kind of goes against the inconsistent nature of commander. If we wanted super consistency we would just play standard.

  • @the_names_rob
    @the_names_rob 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    NN: Black makes me salty
    White: I can tutor too hold me beer
    *pays 4 mana for a tutor to get a 1 cmc spell, smirks*

  • @EntheogenShaman
    @EntheogenShaman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Man, now I wanna run Divine Intervention to troll my playgroup but 2-300 bucks seems like a lot for a meme

    • @FozzyFUCT
      @FozzyFUCT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No shame in getting a proxy, I won't judge ya.

    • @nickhughes8179
      @nickhughes8179 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I had a chance to buy one 6 or 7 years ago for $52. Should've bought it. Combos nicely with Vampire Hexmage, and Hex Parasite

  • @DylanCEdh
    @DylanCEdh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Concentrated Sphinx is always a pleasure to have on the field when your opponents have Rhystic Study
    “Will you pay the one”
    “You know dang well I won’t”

    • @draco4569
      @draco4569 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      "Will you pay the one"
      Consecrated Sphinx: "Is that even a question?"

  • @adamugrinow1926
    @adamugrinow1926 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    As someone who plays mainly mono green ... Hall of gemstones is always received well by my play group.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah that one is confusing and good

    • @James-fq3yz
      @James-fq3yz 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've always found hall of gemstones underperforming, probably my playgroup

    • @chrismcfallan8265
      @chrismcfallan8265 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have used it to win before when someone had played cos I was able to choose white or something to turn off blue counters.

    • @alanbrowne2548
      @alanbrowne2548 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@chrismcfallan8265 could you elaborate more on that?

    • @youtuber4545
      @youtuber4545 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I’m not sure what your standard for acceptable cards are? You are all over the place, you hate rhystic study, sphinx, etc., but then you hate counters to those cards like hullbreacher and notion thief. You dislike fast mana, you dislike card draw, win cards, win conditions. You like battle cruiser magic which is limited in play, and arguable boring.

  • @trialbyicecream
    @trialbyicecream 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Joe’s rant at the end... chef’s kiss!

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Joe's rants have been getting more common lol

    • @Winterhe4rt
      @Winterhe4rt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      yep. def jst ban the RL. its not even a bad idea, ngl.

  • @danielzitnik4247
    @danielzitnik4247 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Great video. You should do a follow-up video on where your cards fall on the salty ratings. And talk about cards with high salty ratings that don't bother you.

  • @tavern.keeper
    @tavern.keeper 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I once played a game against a deck built around divine intervention. He would control the game to make sure no one could interfere and then drop divine intervention to end it. Up until that moment, we thought it was a serious game. Then he laid down his game-ending finisher, and we all bust out laughing. He of course had other, serious decks to play with too. Divine intervention really only works like that once; then the surprise is gone, and it's terribly dreary.

  • @MaStFr
    @MaStFr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    So i'm mostly playing mono red edh , and yes magus and bloodmoon is in some of my decks to stop those flashy 5c decks from outvaluing me ..... Best moment so far: I'm in a 4 people game and slam magus of the moon, 2/3 opponets start complaining, the third with his selesnya budget deck shouts : Ha jokes on you! I'm poor and shows of his 6 basiclands in play :D

  • @fadialderawe8235
    @fadialderawe8235 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The only thing that makes me salty is when people don’t stop killing your commander. I play brawl on mtga a lot, and that is really annoying. Love your videos! Keep the good work!

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      We hardly ever play Brawl but one thing that I remember being annoying was the abundance of 5 color goodstuff decks

    • @robertneilson2780
      @robertneilson2780 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Honestly yeah, most of my strategies revolve around my commander and it pisses me off when people keep targeting it every single game
      Edit: not op commanders, but kinda janky stuff like Rograkh and Akroma

    • @amc6169
      @amc6169 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@NitpickingNerds yup, kenrith and golos are so bad, I played Yorion which was pretty fun

    • @funk-masterflex2796
      @funk-masterflex2796 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@robertneilson2780 I mean if we are playing a game and your commander is the most threatening thing on the board, then yeah of course I’m going to target it if possible. This is like my one friend who scoops as soon as I use Song of the Dryads on his Omnath or Yuriko, I’m sorry you didn’t build more interaction into your deck or alternate win conditions, but that’s how the game works -.-

    • @robertneilson2780
      @robertneilson2780 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@funk-masterflex2796 well yes of course that’s how the game plays, but that doesn’t mean I have to like it lmao

  • @KyonNolex
    @KyonNolex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Y'all deserve ALOT more recognition. I've been watching your stuff for a about a month now, and I'm really enjoying the content ( the shorts are great, and i really enjoy the longer format videos you guys do)

  • @Omnivxrse
    @Omnivxrse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Beezy hit the nail on the head; Dockside Extortionist is absolutely a "Complete Nonsense Card." That is actually the exact wording I would use to describe it

  • @philipsearles7180
    @philipsearles7180 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I'm only at Blood Moon/Contamination and realize all my decks are Dead Sea salty.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We would still play against you

    • @philipsearles7180
      @philipsearles7180 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would enjoy it. By the way, the best Tegrid killer out there is a salty card y'all didn't bring up (at least as far #9) Drought. It demolishs mono black decks as there is only a single response for it.

    • @starmanda88
      @starmanda88 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@philipsearles7180 how have I never seen this card before??! As a mono black player predominantly (it’s my best deck) it has me nauseous 😂

  • @jomarobusa1806
    @jomarobusa1806 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    In short, make Zur the Enchanter as your commander if you don't want to have friends.

  • @jagmasta2049
    @jagmasta2049 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My playgroup's rule on sol ring, if you have it in your opening you reveal it, take the win and go to game 2. Except everyone else keeps their 7, and you get a new hand.
    *edit* but we leave them in to keep up of we play with randos

  • @ericbitson8927
    @ericbitson8927 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The "first turn sol ring usually loses" comes from an episode of the Command Zone where Josh and Jimmy went through Game Knights footage and pulled stats from their games specifically. They found that in the however many couple dozen games they've recorded, first turn sol ring lost far more often than it won.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah I remember that stats episode. I guess our experiences are vastly different 😂

  • @thesenate918
    @thesenate918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I was going to say sol ring as a joke and then reality just smashed my expectations, almost as hard as i smashed that like button

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I thought you died at the end of the star wars trilogy but in reality you retreated to youtube to post really funny comments 😂👍

    • @thesenate918
      @thesenate918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NitpickingNerds youll find that the dark side of the force leads to powers some would consider to be... unnatural

  • @om3n430
    @om3n430 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    So I respect the fact you guys have specific feelings towards cards/archetypes..just wondered what deck you all play in contrast

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We've done a couple of our personal decks on here in the past and we have some new ones as well

    • @benjamincarter6095
      @benjamincarter6095 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Big board states relying more on table politics than the consistency of their decks.

    • @om3n430
      @om3n430 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@benjamincarter6095 look forward to upcoming content..nice to have insight into your meta

    • @benjamincarter6095
      @benjamincarter6095 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@om3n430 My meta is mitigating threats, playing through stax and quickly completing consistent combos.

    • @benjamincarter6095
      @benjamincarter6095 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @James Black I just don't enjoy playing at tables that revel in politics and whine about salt. I'll take salt over spice.

  • @yaboiskittlez7943
    @yaboiskittlez7943 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't know how much I can agree with this list when it comes to tutors. Tutors? What is a cultivate but a tutor for 2 basic lands? What is a farseek but a search for any land type except for a forest, and even then it can fetch a forest if it's on a dual or triome. And fetch lands? Is teramorphic expanse and evolving wilds not fetching basics? What about fabled passage? Are those not giving you fixes to make a better board state for you, much like a tutor? Yeah a tutor could grab more than lands, I get that, but part of the game is making it stable for you to play so you can make a threat to win. If green gets ramp, should black with it's tutors just not try to win with the cards it has? Or are your decks not supposed to try to win somehow. I'm confused on why you wouldn't use a tutor but say ramping and getting all your lands quickly is fine.

  • @bradkakoschke5165
    @bradkakoschke5165 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Confusion in the Ranks is the card I dislike coming up against the most! Also the rules committee should make fetches only usable for in your commanders colours for both options.

  • @GreenestTrampler
    @GreenestTrampler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There are very, very few cards that actually annoy me to sit across the table from. I get bored a lot from seeing non-ramp "staples," but usually I'm OK with anything people play.
    The only examples are cards that grind games to a halt for no reason whatsoever. Warp World is by far my #1 most hated card. Armageddon, Obliterate, etc without any reason to abuse them. If you're going to blow up the board including lands, at least have a way to win with a few turns.

  • @Timmsh88
    @Timmsh88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The divine intervention rant was perfect. Really laughed my ass off.

  • @mrnixon2287
    @mrnixon2287 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i find salty cards are self regulated within most groups becuase if you flex at the table you draw attention to yourself in current and future games and that makes you an early target. Imho house rules will often address any imbalance. some i have played that get the salty glare are Sensei's diving Top, Laboratory Maniac and Oko.

  • @ianmcguire3040
    @ianmcguire3040 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Gaea's Cradle + Xyris, Writhing Storm is amazing. Love playing this card in that deck. My playgroup is pretty chill about it just because it has such high synergy with the commander.

    • @ciderman13576
      @ciderman13576 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Purphoros is funny in Xyris too

  • @GreenLikeGrass
    @GreenLikeGrass 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't see the difference between cabal coffers and mana rocks, or green ramp, a lot of "sameness"
    i wish there was more variety in those things, i don't see how cabal coffers is more "same" then other decks that run staples

  • @timothygerbig875
    @timothygerbig875 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Divine Intervention is actually a counterspell. It counters the game itself. "I wanna play Commander!" "Nope!" I understand the hate, but this is the blue player's dream! Not just countering spells, but the game itself does not resolve. It just goes away. It's actually brilliant. The only flaw is that it's white instead of blue, or at least Azorius.

    • @soleo2783
      @soleo2783 ปีที่แล้ว

      Azorius players are a different breed, they truly are allergic to other people having fun

  • @BigPimpin321100
    @BigPimpin321100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Ive started cutting tutors from my deck just to have a little more variance. I dont mind ones like Enlightened Tutor or Mystical (since theyre limited at least to 2 different things) but Vampiric and Demonic no longer make it into my lists. Ill just play more interesting win cons, draw power or interaction instead

  • @mong0038
    @mong0038 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Watch the stats episode from the command zone. From the research they found people lose more often when playing sol ring

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The data is interesting but at the end of the day Sol Ring is contributing to winning more than losing

    •  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If I remember right, they said that a turn 1 Sol Ring was decreasing the chances of winning by around 20%. Not because Sol Ring is bad by any means, but precisely because Sol Ring is so good. It gives such an advantage that if no one is able to cast a shadow on that "turn 1 sol ring player", he becomes the threat.
      They also mentionned the possibility that players would be more willing to keep a bad hand with a Sol Ring, so that may also be a factor.
      As EDH is a multiplayer format, it makes a lot of sense in my opinion that players puting targets on their head at the beginning of a game lose a bit more often. Still, the difference is only 20%, so many players are also going off really hard with a turn 1 Sol Ring.

  • @Kaisingsens
    @Kaisingsens 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I swapped out Consecrated Sphinx for Sire of Stagnation in the decks, where color restrictions allow it. It's also a degenerate card, but you don't get guaranteed draw, if your opponents decide not to play a land until they can get rid of it.
    This play pattern is much more appreciated in my playgroup. The sphinx always made them salty, but the Sire causes more interesting decisions for the table.

  • @DavyMcWavy
    @DavyMcWavy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I feel like Divine Intervention is a win if it makes your opponents as emotional as Joe. Lol

  • @Omnivxrse
    @Omnivxrse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I personally wouldn't ban Mana Crypt or Sol Ring because ramping is like my favorite thing to do in MTG, I think the number of games they ruin is a very low percentage, and it just feels good to play Sol Ring/Mana Crypt, however I do think the format will eventually get to a point, maybe in a few years, where it's so fast that I would want ban Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Jeweled Lotus, and probably some other cards just to slow down the format a little bit

  • @lthammox
    @lthammox 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cyclonic Rift is often a life saver of the table when someone is going off.

  • @CaptianAwesome19
    @CaptianAwesome19 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just won a EDH game at FNM with omniscience xD.. I was playing Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer, and did the Brine Elemental combo with Vesuvan Shapeshifter. That made them salty..

    • @MTG69
      @MTG69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No zombie deck?

  • @PlayerThe90
    @PlayerThe90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Nice content! Hope someday you guys starting posting EDH gameplays! Cheers

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Step one is moving back into a house together, step two is a kickstarter, step 3: GAMEPLAY

    • @josephhaas6373
      @josephhaas6373 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Second this. Cheers.

  • @teddavis6084
    @teddavis6084 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Grip of Chaos, knowledge Pool, Warp world and the other do nothing cards that make the game take forever

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If I ever see a Timesifter I'm just peacing out of that game lol

  • @ryanarntz5098
    @ryanarntz5098 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Isn't someone who plays a combo piece doing the same thing as playing Approach of the Second Sun?

  • @Robert-lq9fr
    @Robert-lq9fr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think command zone did the research and made an episode about turn 1 Sol Ring causing you to lose more

  • @Err0rD00rFool
    @Err0rD00rFool 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I actually disagree with Tutor part. I think it makes the game more exciting when you can tutor for answers and do what your deck is built to do. it also leads to more tense situations with everyone can tutor out their answers for each other and see what happens. it leads to more fun situations. i think most tutor decks are salt inducing due to people building them in a certain way. like a Meren tutor deck. now that is just pure salt.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah the tutor argument definitely isn't objective and some people like tutors! I think Joe is definitely lower on them than me, but I could see myself getting to where he is eventually

  • @Omnivxrse
    @Omnivxrse 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't like Emrakul the Promised end because of how unfun it feels, especially since there's no way to "spread the love around," you basically just have to choose one player and either kill them or ruin the game for them. I have no problem with cards that win you the game like expropriate, but Emrakul the Promised end doesn't do that, it just ends it for one person. I love Eldrazi, I love all the other Eldrazi Titans as Wincons, I even love Annihilator lmao, but I will not put Emrakul the Promised End in my decks

  • @ajsmith5293
    @ajsmith5293 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    “Expropriate has nothing to do with the deck your playing”. Too bad it’s perfect for my “opponents choice” tribal deck

  • @ChaseDoggs
    @ChaseDoggs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You guys have the best commander channel! Keep up the great work!

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wow, that's big praise, thank you!!

    • @markp7262
      @markp7262 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I thought it was the 24th best commander channel? 😂

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I will allow for a flubbing of the numbers in this way

  • @kingginger3335
    @kingginger3335 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My buddy refuses to play against Eight-and-a-half-tails. He took my other friends copy of it off the battlefield and ripped it to shreds in the middle of the game. It was kind of hilarious lol

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jeez, I hope your friend was okay with his card getting destroyed :(

  • @tenzinchosang6737
    @tenzinchosang6737 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    in regards to divine intervention, it depends on how you perceive winning. If you're behind with no way of winning, stealing or stopping someone else from winning can feel just as satisfactory. Some of us bathe in salt.

  • @chrismcfallan8265
    @chrismcfallan8265 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    On Tuesday night I was playing at a "cEDH" table with rhystic study out, and everyone just played as if it wasn't there... I was even like guys you need to start paying for this or I will just win. They didn't, I won the next turn... I hope they learned (especially when the agree contract was tutors, combo and win asap) to always pay the 1.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That must have felt good to have just called your shot and won anyway especially since you already agreed on cEDH 😂

  • @shanecompton4579
    @shanecompton4579 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    My least favourite has to be dranith magistrate. “Oh we’re here to play commander? How about we don’t”

  • @TheWeekendGeek
    @TheWeekendGeek 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Guy who reshuffles his deck after casting an Approach here, I love the mind games this brings to the table

  • @stevenking849
    @stevenking849 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super easy rule to stop all these stupid Commander stats. 'Pay your commanders mana cost to return them to your command zone from anywhere'

  • @abhorhybrid
    @abhorhybrid 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Consecrated Sphinx counters Notion Thief though :D

  • @LordQuintix
    @LordQuintix 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you want some salt with your lime sour, use Prosperity alongside Teferi's Second Sight, Notion Thief, or Hullbreacher for some rediculous draw power and resource management.
    "Go ahead, make me draw my deck before I can use it!"
    *42x mana Prosperity for 41 cards.
    - 41 Treasure tokens, or 84 cards-
    Oh, wait! There's more!!
    Jace, Wielder of Mysteries is on the field...
    *Stares intently and screams internally*

  • @JimmyJames-om2uw
    @JimmyJames-om2uw 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    100% agree on sol ring and crypt, please spread the word. Tutors as well

  • @thechestrockfield
    @thechestrockfield 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So when you talked about Reservoir there are 2 things:
    1. You said you'd play to win even if you're a goblin bombardment slave instead of just scooping like you advocated for with Tergrid. What makes the difference?
    2. If you're in Resevoir range (or Bombardment range) there is a way out and it's a card you guys poop on ALL THE TIME. Krosan Grip, baby!

  • @g33kaholic24
    @g33kaholic24 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    See, for me, I like Armageddon in my White Weenie deck because with my curve being so low and my ceiling not being as good as my opponents, it allows me to build a big board state during my most active turns, then clear the board to keep the opponents from reaching the point that they outclass me. I can beat stick them and when they are about to get enough mana to board wipe the mono white deck and make them irrelevant, I clear the board and buy myself more turns

  • @Audico2
    @Audico2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Mine would be something like: Rest in Peace, Stony Silence, Jin Gitaxias, Sen Triplets, Agent of Treachery, Villainous Wealth, Planar Chaos, Extra turns spells, Thousand-Year Storm and Stasis!

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I am picking up what you're laying down, those cards seem to fit a common theme

  • @sc100ott
    @sc100ott 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    People seem to get really salty every time I drop Song of the Dryads/Imprisoned in the Moon/Darksteel Mutation on their commander. I try to only do it if that commander is relatively OP for the rest of the board, or specifically degrades my own game plan, but they usually don’t like my explanation. I don’t understand why they don’t build for enchantment removal or an alternate wincon.

  • @captaindaddd6055
    @captaindaddd6055 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Hollow knight is so fun! Just beat it like a month ago and didn't realize I skipped basically a whole 1/3 of the game cus I didn't have a specific ability lmao. Top tier game. Also amazing list 👍

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The game looks amazing and apparently has great story too! -Beezy

  • @yfw123
    @yfw123 ปีที่แล้ว

    End of opponents' turn Cyclonic Rift
    Own turn Tezzeret into Winter Orb and stay several turns until activating his ultimate ability has won me countless games and brought nightmare to my friends XD Got to have the guts to embrace all the hate. That was fun back to the old dates.

  • @thechestrockfield
    @thechestrockfield 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    How is just scooping as soon as you think you're going to lose not just as annoying? Especially to other players who think that with your help or you as a buffer they could come back and win. That's like people that scoop to affect the board or be a kingmaker. Super annoying.

  • @natethetoe386
    @natethetoe386 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm new to commander, and I find this idea of hated cards so odd. Mostly it is the type of card that seems to be hated. I played maybe my 10th game at the card shop last night, and one guy was getting clearly upset. I did get a sol ring on turn 1, and played a total of 2 counter spells in the game. I ended up winning, but only because I had the absolute perfect draw, not because my deck is amazing.
    I do understand the dislike of tutors. It makes games similar, and also slows down the game with all the shuffling.
    A lot of these cards just seem to be part of MTG. Land destruction, board wipes, counter spells, 15 casting cost creatures that basically say "you win the game on them."
    Sometimes, it seems like people need to except they may lose a game, and they don't get to decide how exactly they lose. Anyway, just my opinion.

  • @martinfarrell7010
    @martinfarrell7010 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The command zone actually did the research for people who play sol ring turn 1 and how they lose more often, not sure what their sample size was but it was respectable from what I remember, check out their video.

    • @skynyrdjesus
      @skynyrdjesus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The sample size was essentially every commander game available on TH-cam at the time. That's a slight exaggeration, but only slight. And the data makes a ton of sense once you look at it, because having 4 mana on turn two doesn't outweigh the disadvantage of having three allied opponents for the midgame.

    • @martinfarrell7010
      @martinfarrell7010 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@skynyrdjesus Yeah it seemed quite substantial I just couldn't quite remember the parameters.
      I do feel however that power level does have a lot more weight in the equation. In cEdh you can end the game with less than 4 mana however most content creators are not playing with decks that can finish even remotely as fast as it just doesn't make for good viewing content or is not relatable for the vast majority of the playerbase because people don't own stuff like mana crypt or are not willing to fork out 500euro for a gaea's cradle.

  • @danieljohns95dj
    @danieljohns95dj 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Approach makes me laugh because it's my friends only win-con in his Group Hug deck, lmao.

  • @TheChill001
    @TheChill001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I agree with a lot of them, except maybe omniscience and tergrid. Omniscience because I've seen it played so badly it's laughable and tergrid...well, I simply use her for people playing stuff like OP superfriends with sissay in one v ones. My most salty card though is Xenagos, god of revels, which unlike all other theros gods, simply has 0 downsides, especially when played as commander.

  • @danielwhite1890
    @danielwhite1890 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The problem with expropriate even at lower level tables is simple
    Say you cast time warp, it's essentially a spell that takes a full other turn to resolve.
    Expropriate takes that to the Nth° by adding at minimum 1 extra turn to resolve on top of board advantage, up to 4 extra turns worth of time, alot like chaos cards that shuffle everything up and divides it back up

  • @danmorgan7775
    @danmorgan7775 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think your friend is just playing divine intervention to trigger you at this point.

  • @Darkersneasel
    @Darkersneasel 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's like a bittersweet argument on the tutor effects. I think every deck needs some level of tutoring or every game is going to be more varied than it already is. But many colors have efficient tutoring and many cards in those colors. When players run many of them then that's where the game becomes less about building a commander deck and more along the lines of how many times can I search out exactly what I need. I run maybe...4 tutor effects in my deck outside of fetches and I think that's a fine number.

  • @canbeone7277
    @canbeone7277 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Funny how you're "salty" about BIG splashy cards like Expropriate and Omniscience, but then you say things like, "If you're going to spend more han 7 mana on a spell, it better win you the game."

  • @jamesloder8652
    @jamesloder8652 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Re: Aetherflux Reservoir, my response to it is usually to try to force them to use it on me, let them pay the life, and then kill them with the ability on the stack so it never resolves.

  • @DiabloZod
    @DiabloZod 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Overwhelming Splendor is one of my saltiest cards. I think it ranks right up with Omniscience.

  • @Kurayamiblack
    @Kurayamiblack 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This video would get recommended to me right after a game where I play Avacyn and my opponent responds with his own Avacyn plus Elvish Piper into Ulamog 😭

  • @joshberg7944
    @joshberg7944 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I played Armageddon at a new play group, and they ALL were SO PISSED

    • @joshberg7944
      @joshberg7944 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just got the card and had never played it, or seen it played. Personally I don't find it any more annoying than most other cards that do OP things.

  • @Xonides
    @Xonides 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Aw whaaaat.
    So you’re telling me, kicking a Rite of Replication targeting Consecrated Sphinx, with Kami of the Crescent Moon and Well of Ideas is frowned upon?
    My playgroup might agree with you but I say NAY good sirs.

  • @kevinj4002
    @kevinj4002 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I have lost to Approach of the Second Sun twice in the last couple of weeks, once in a deck that cycled to it the turn after the 1st cast, another in a game where they scryed to it the turn after the 1st cast. It's such a boring win-con.

    • @Mr911superstar
      @Mr911superstar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I mean, its just a white combo at that point, worse than a tooth and nail or any other 2 card combo imho

    • @drokhalis3338
      @drokhalis3338 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Swan song that ass

  • @justinschultz8615
    @justinschultz8615 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think hullbreacher is banned in edh
    Edit: I didn't even notice the release date of this video. My bad

  • @billjensen51
    @billjensen51 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I play my janky decks and I can't play more than 3-4 cards while my friend wins slowly while keeping us all from playing. Fun.

  • @ericap1098
    @ericap1098 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Along the lines of Perplexing Chimera, I absolutely hate playing against Possibility Storm.

  • @ThomasB-zw3sg
    @ThomasB-zw3sg 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love an end of turn Cyclonic rift into Armageddon into everyone scooping. Sorry guys.

  • @Mako276
    @Mako276 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was asked to stop bringing my Norin, the Wary deck after I Reverberated a Warp World in a 4 player game.

    • @MTG69
      @MTG69 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Does your deck come with a shovel for all that salt?

  • @rileypowell5354
    @rileypowell5354 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hear you guys talk a lot about games being samey but I have to be honest: I really really like when I have a deck that I know is gonna play roughly the same every time. It makes threat assessment a lot easier and it gives you a lot of flexibility in terms of how you use your other cards besides the important cards you're gonna use to end the game.

    • @trashtronics1700
      @trashtronics1700 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What kind of players they are is they use commander for a format that's different if u like being an optimal player cedh is where that is infinity more common seems like average edh players are not a fan of mass tutors and such

    • @rileypowell5354
      @rileypowell5354 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@trashtronics1700 I think there's a lot more overlap between regular commander and CEDH than you seem to think.

  • @Andreasws24
    @Andreasws24 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The tutor issue is more about how many tutors. It's like how many counterspells, it indicates how powerfull your deck is.

  • @stfinalwrath
    @stfinalwrath 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You think Tergrid is annoying? Allow me to introduce you to my good friend that should never have been printed, Sarulf.... Lol....

  • @danmccarthy7038
    @danmccarthy7038 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So in other words a list of cards to use against my soon to be former friends, lol, thanks guys!

  • @taa347
    @taa347 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you ask my friend, it's any card I play that interacts with his board or that wins me the game

  • @maybeisuckatlife
    @maybeisuckatlife 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I also hate dumb lands so I run a strip mine on default and run a couple other similar effects sometimes.

  • @abnormallynormal8823
    @abnormallynormal8823 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Foil. I see a blue player tapped out and think I’m safe to start popping off, then they go and hit me with a Foil. Discard an island and another card to stop a combo from popping off is so broken lol

  • @eatmoretidepods2499
    @eatmoretidepods2499 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Joe hates Mystic Remora and I collect Mystic Remora....

  • @everythingisbizzaaaaaro3694
    @everythingisbizzaaaaaro3694 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the defense of land destruction, at least Fall of the Thran is somewhat fair. Unless you're running it in Ghen. Then all you do is bring back Bojuka Bog during step 2.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah or like Soul-Guide Lantern. Yikes. At least that's a combo though and not just Fall winning by itself like Expropriate lol

  • @hanschristopherson8056
    @hanschristopherson8056 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Divine intervention probably fits the definition of a card that should be banned except nobody plays it

  • @cteal2018
    @cteal2018 ปีที่แล้ว

    Totem Armor on land, cast Armageddon...Thank you, Come Again.

  • @tannermaple
    @tannermaple 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have unfortunately started to become jaded with EDH.

  • @mrpandabites
    @mrpandabites 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    After watching a couple of videos where you guys are blasé about enchantment removal, it doesn't surprise me that a lot of your saltiest cards are enchantments. If you play enchantment removal, there's no reason to fear these cards. 100% agree on tutors though. My playgroup doesn't play them and it makes for much more variety in games.

  • @ChrisThe1
    @ChrisThe1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Scrambleverse and Thief's Auction

  • @colekitchen9080
    @colekitchen9080 ปีที่แล้ว

    In my playgroup my buddy runs a deck that’s sole objective is to put leveler onto your battlefield… must I say mote

  • @kristennorth3268
    @kristennorth3268 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can’t think of a card I really hate but the rest of my playgroup hates the goad mechanic.

  • @zotmaster
    @zotmaster 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super Salt Counter: play a Consecrated Sphinx into your opponent's Notion Thief. The moment an opponent draws a card, the Notion Thief decks its controller.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Had that come up once... literally the funniest thing ever

  • @StickyBombLauncher
    @StickyBombLauncher 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Divine intervention is a wincon because the person trolling you is winning.

    • @NitpickingNerds
      @NitpickingNerds  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's like a moral victory but you have to remind them they didn't win the game lol