Everything GREAT About Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker! (Part 2)
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- The conclusion to The Rise of Skywalker and the conclusion to the whole dang saga. The response to the first video was overwhelmingly positive even if not everyone agrees with me. Obviously, some people wish I wasn't alive, that just comes with talking about Star Wars. ;) But now let's talk about Star Wars... One last time.
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00:39 - Introduction
01:34 - Planning
07:37 - Pacing
09:56 - Expectations & Realizations
11:04 - Stuff I Got Wrong & Comments
12:23 - Great Stuff
13:12 - Addressing Complaints
14:31 - The Force
17:38 - Stakes
21:02 - Characters & Actors
23:30 - Rey's Lineage
24:51 - Outro
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“Rey can hold a dagger in one hand and sense it did bad things, while holding a lightsaber in the other that killed younglings.” That made me laugh harder than it should have😂
Well that blade was The Dark One's Blade so it is so much worse.
Touches Lightsaber In The Force Awakens, Gives Her Dark Visions
Much Needed Time Jump And Training With The Force Later, A Dagger With Sith Writing Gives Her Dark Visions
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If we remember when the saber first called to Rey in TFA, she does recoil from it's touch and wants nothing to do with it. Perhaps she actually did sense what it had done.
Not trying to be hyper critical about it. It's just something I hadn't considered before and the irony just took me off guard😄
@@Strongmount I was making a OUAT reference, y'know, the whole Disney connected universe.
I left this comment on part 1 too, but I want to share a huge win that I haven't heard anyone else point out: When Kylo is confronting the First Order leadership about the traitor in their midst, Hux knows that Kylo can read his thoughts, so rather than trying to conceal himself he thinks "KYLO REN'S NEW HELMET LOOKS DUMB" because he knows Kylo is vain enough to notice and change the subject while thinking he has won and is in control. Brilliant manipulation of a more powerful superior in a tough spot.
It's awesome that CinemaWins points out that it was odd for Obi Wan to call Darth Vader "Darth" but he constantly calls Kylo Ren "Kylo" like that was his first name.
@@FlatOnHisFace wait....so KYLO is a designation like DARTH Vader or DARTH Maul?? Not just a name BEN Solo made up after leaving Luke?
Hux liked the helmet, so he didn't had to hide anything. Maybe the fact that he only liked it because he thought his hair looked stupid and he was glad he didn't have to see it but still, he actually liked it.
Source: dude trust me (It's actually the TROS novel)
@@cginsane22 no kylo is a name, so is ben, darth is a title, and its a very, very, very limited one at that considering darth maul stops being darth after his "death"/betrayal/rewhatevering by the night-witch-mother.... the non force side of magic in the lore is super confusing, and the force is too, but the actual magic is what even, anyway my point is that he's not darth even though he's still a very very very dark, and powerful, force user
@@discipleoftzeentch8384 Personally I feel like Kylo might not be a name, but maybe a title like Darth but lesser. Ren obviously is a title, Knights of Ren. In the comics it's explained that before Kylo joined the group, the group was led by a force sensitive who could feel and follow the "Ren" (dark side). The first leader of the group was just named Ren, as in The Ren, he most likely originated the name, group ect. And obviously the group and snoke aren't sith, snoke is far more calm headed, not as punishing (from what we've seen), never quoted the Sith code. I don't find it unreasonable to think that Kylo Ren is just title title unlike the sith who still have names after their title, the Knights of Ren only use titles.
Can we just have CinemaWins treat the Siege of Mandalore as a movie so he can cover it
Jadon Berg i second this
I 100% agree with this buuuuut... we’d need to give him a list of episodes to watch beforehand to appreciate it. E.g. The Nightsister’s arc with Savage, The Mortis Trilogy, The Padawan Lost arc (season 3 finale, has some good parallels to season 7), Darkness on Umbarra arc (for clones context), seasons 4 & 5 Maul stuff, season 2 SATINE Mandalore stuff oh boy howdy, there’s quite a bit...
Omg I've never wanted anything more in my life. It's basically Revenge of the Sith, but the Lion Kind 1 1/2 version
HE MUST. D E W I T!
Yes please
"By the end of the prequels, Qui Gon invented NOT BEING DEAD"
That got a solid laugh out of me lmao
He is dead technically he can come out of the other side useing the force and make himself a ghost.
@@scottyoung4524 i am well aware of the concept of force ghosts, thank you sir
Good one!
Hope you're able to find your ass and get it back on...
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Quigon does the Macarana like: "Aye yo yo yo yo whatup? issya boi Bigger fish I ain't iced Playa''
There's a story arc to the end of clone wars where Yoda follows Qui's path to force projection. Like the last few episodes of season 6 I think. Deep lore, it's great.
"Inverse healing... Inverse healing? Oh, that's just called murder"
You, sir, are a genius.
That actually made me laugh out loud
Dont worry this wont kill you we will just inverse heal you that's all
My favorite line
Please don’t stop doing this! As you said, every movie is someone’s favorite, and every movie has salvageable things, and it’s good to appreciate all of the people who worked so hard to bring a project into the big screen.
Also “space dad”: shows Shiro
I CANT
Wrote this after the intro was done: "Every Movie is at least one persons favorite and I am gonna try and figure out why" The most wholesome and beautiful words I've ever heard on this channel and probably the internet
Maybe Cinemawins should tackle the Asylum's mockbusters, I mean they gotta be someone's favorite movie, right? :)
@@ryantheanimator1156 actually not a bad idea. or perharps the scifi b movies
Needs to be the new channel banner
At sw it's always chaos you either love it or hate it it's always 50.50
xx ninjago fan xx Bruh, I love the OT, PT and clone wars and despite the Disney sequels, so which category do I fall into?
"every movie is somebody's favorite" I like that
Doesn't mean we can't pick it apart and explain why it's bad, i enjoyed the fight scenes and many others did until they put thought into it, some movies like this you just gotta turn off your brain and try and have a good time (alcohol reccomended or atleast something to drink), although it's hard to do especially if you know that there are an entire two trilogies better than it
that is true. . .even if you hate a movie. . .don't hate people who like it!
@@TheEmeraldCreeper we only hate people who think it like it's perfect, we respect people's opinions although some would put them to the torch, we also hate the people who made it solely for money but the actors and the designers get a pass for doing their best with whatever disaster the writers cooked up for them.
@@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479 just shut up dude 😂 this we shit is toxic and stupid. People have opinions and that’s all fine. If they think it’s perfect then that’s what they think.
@@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479 you think originals are perfect, if that's true then maybe we should hate most of the star wars fanboys
"If you think any Avengers are truly gone forever, you underestimate how much Disney likes billions of dollars." - WORD!
considering the fact that alternate universes are a thing in those movies you could in theory bring an iron man from an alternate earth
@@speerical3293 here's the thing rdj is done with the mcu but an iron man from another dimension may look a bit different than the one we know different enough for another actor to portray it
@@speerical3293 if they bring the x-men into the mcu different universes might come into play
they said they dont wanna make an Avenger movie till 2024 at least
Way later, but they’re tinkering with the alternate realities introduced in End Game now. A trailer for a series based around alternate universe Loki who escaped with the Tesseract.
You: inverse...healing? Ooh that’s just murder. Me: *lost it*
Ehhh not that funny tbh
Was about to comment the same thing.
nickbrr opinions
Force Drain is the dark side equivalent of Force Heal. Instead of giving your own life to help another, you take their life for your own.
Nordic CB lol if that’s ur opinion of funny then u must be so much fun ..
“I’m just sick of talking and arguing about star wars”
I relate with you so much on that
Spenser Because with all the negativity surrounding Star Wars nowadays, we need people like him who are able to give a positive view on the new movies. I can only hear people complain about these movies and talk about how they “ruined Star Wars” so many times before it gets old
Edit: the fact that u deleted all your comments from our conversation tells me that u know I’m right.
Koby Pourciaux I still think these movies as movies are great and amazing films but it’s whether they fit the lore and expectations of Star Wars in general and did they hit the mark and whilst there are some og trilogy dickheads think nothing will ever be the same the notion that evryone or the majority of ppl are negative about everything new Star Wars it’s not true the mandalorian something new in the franchise has been massively received well it’s already super popular and follows the Star Wars theme very well the same goes for the 7 season of clone wars Dave felonis just produced the ahsoka arc is breathtaking I was close to tears and just enjoyed every last minute of it it’s all about getting ppl who understand the world of Star Wars to direct and produce it Dave feloni for me nd this is if he would want too should run these movies and direct them he has such a parallel knowledge and vision for the Star Wars franchise as George Lucas that when he made the clone wars and gets involved with a lot of discussion nd ideas for the mandalorian I’m not surprised he gets what Star Wars is and how it works and incorporates his knowledge of Star Wars nd what it’s meant to be into new creative and interesting story arcs they need to sign this guy up for everything he’s great
Spenser Comments like these prove my point. Whenever people say things such as “You can’t defend movies that are objectively bad”, it just shows all the more reason we need people like him. Like it or not, there are people out there who like these movies and it’s only fair if people acknowledge some of the good things in them. And if u think I’m just a shill and I’ll just accept anything Star Wars related, let me just tell u that I don’t even like the Last Jedi and I think the force awakens and the rise of skywalker are decently fun and nothing more. The difference is that I don’t make a living by critiquing every little thing in these movies and pretend like they’re the worst movies ever made and that the prequels are secretly masterpieces.
Matthew Stephen Pretty much every person in the fandom menace.
Matthew Stephen Geeks and Gamers, Nerdrotic, John Talks, etc. the sad thing is that I used to watch several channels from the fandom menace and I actually do agree with some of their criticisms, but in the last couple of years they have kinda just become channels that will go to any length to make Disney look bad even if the things that they’re talking about have almost nothing to do with the company.
From starting off with The Phantom Menace to The Rise of Skywalker this series has been a part of me and no amount of ridicule can force me away. For me the Star Wars saga will be a win, always.
Yes, finally someone who likes all of star wars and not just one trilogy!!! The sequels weren't as good as the OG trilogy but they weren't as bad as people say.
They are all great works of art!
Expect the sequels are utter garbage outside of TFA which is a solid 6/10
Honestly even though my least favorite movie is ros that doesn’t mean I don’t still enjoy it. I enjoy all of these movies no matter what anyone else says
@@stephencurry4835 Still better than TPM garbage
"What is better, to be born good...or through great effort overcome one's evil nature?"
Hello Paarthurnax, I didn't expect to see you here.
YES YES YES YES YES
Yep
Honestly, I don't like the idea that having bad or evil parents, or grandparents here, makes you evil or makes you have a tendency to be evil.
PARTY SNACKS
In russian we have a word "dushevno", which is used to describe something heart-felt, something with a soul. And your videos, my friend, are just that. Thanks.
Extra claps for nailing it with MGS and Star Trek references)
Would soulful be an English equivalent to that?
+1 from Ukraine, we also have the same word with the same meaning, and it perfectly describes how i feel while watching your videos. Big thanks!
P.s That MGS reference was dope
@@glibchubik4090 We have the same word in bulgarian even that the languages are similar but very different and yes it perfectly describes his videos.
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@@ericschuller908 wholesome/heartwarming/made with soul or something like that)
I went back and rewatched the Morris arc of Clone Wars, and we see Force Heal there too. The Daughter uses it to bring Ahsoka back to life.
Laser Pictures Or baby yoda in Mandalorian. It is the same with the holdo thing, Clone wars did it before and the Force Unleashed II did it too.
@LEE ELIJAH baby yoda is far from a force god
LEE ELIJAH baby yoda did it too. It’s a force power. Any force user can do it
@@supremefirestorm3141 Qui-Gon's ghost to Ob Wan's ghost: you fucking donkey
LEE ELIJAH she’s literally the granddaughter of one of the most powerful characters in the star wars universe
Is good to be a fan of star wars who likes all the trilogies, is relaxing
Unfortunately there are people who will try to disturb that relaxation by saying "yOu'rE a fAkE fAN yOUr oPIniOn is WRoNg" but as long as you can learn to ignore them it's a great time.
What a good way to describe it!!
I just feed off that and get even more relaxed.
@@noiwontsignyourarmpit5263 deleting Twitter is a start to silence the noise. Worked for me.
@@Falxifer95 I don't even use Twitter and yet the noise is blaring all over my computer
indeed
This guy sheds light on movies that are often underappreciated.
So let's appreciate that
It is important to see the positives of anything. Even in the worst of films, there are good things. It is better to be constructive then destructive. We already have enough negativity
I agree loved this movie
Amen brother
Even if I personally did not like this movie I am happy to watch and appreciate this channel. And even then I agree with a lot of his points, even if it hasn't changed my opinion. Because this is a genuinely enjoyable channel. Positivity breeds positivity
Kevin Vo even the Garbage Pail Kids has ONE good thing. The boy doesn’t get the girl. She was selfish and greedy, and when she finally liked him, he knew she didn’t deserve him. Like you said, even the worst of movies have good things in them.
I hate that the internet has gotten to the point where Cinemawins feels like he has to justify winning a movie
Just let the dude do he thing
All depends on the movie my friend
No it doesn't
Nate Gates it absolutely does not
Cologram well this movie to put it kindly sucks yes it does suck
@@kingsman5121 To you at least. But to others, it doesn't
Honestly, "Force transposing" is probably my new favorite Force power. It's just so cool and visualized so uniquely. (I know it's semantics but i feel like "transpose" is slightly more accurate here and a slightly cooler word than "teleport")
I know right? The idea the that two Force users can pass things on to one another is such a cool and interesting ability, and I would love to see a whole movie(not necessarily a Star Wars movie, just a movie in general) about that concept alone. Because, like you said, Its soooo unique
@@grayskyee pretty much broke the universe considering how overpowered it is....
I like that. Teleport seems to imply moving yourself from one place to another. Transpose feel more like its referring to objects.
@@randomt800kiddo2 Fair point, its reallllllllly op, but I was talking more the ability itself, not the impact it had on the film.
@@randomt800kiddo2 Yeah, maybe Obi Wan force transpose to trick Anakin?
at least there is some people with a bit of positivity on star wars.
man this video is like a fresh air to me. like no matter where I go there is hate surrounding this franchise these days. when I try to point out the positives in the sequels I am insulted by OG and EU fans, if I point out the cons then I am insulted by the sequel fans. what's worse is that i can't remain neutral either, I would be attacked by both sides.
thank god for this channel which has reminded me why i am still sticking around for this franchise
Well, I love every SW movies and series, for one, so... I got you there, buddy, don't worry. ;)
And I do see and aknowledge many many flaws in everything SW, lol. But still, good points outweights the bad one in every case, lol!
Even my jar-jar facepalms disappeared quickly, after I heard about the "darth jar jar" theories.
(anyway he's a great character in Clone Wars, lol)
Now I just looove this character as all others.
So, hopes!
@@mattischastan7967 the wins don't outweigh the bad once you turn on your brain and pay attention, it's like a video game but without the fun aspects like gameplay, at first you think the level is fun but when you think about it the setting and basically everything about the system feels cheated like biemg overly powerful but still need to do a side quest, you can still enjoy and love it but it can't be ignored when weighing a judgement of quality.
I still see WAY more people hating on the sequels rather than defending it. The latter in fact I rarely come across, but still at least these people aren’t blinded by Nolstalgia or the bandwagon
@@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479 Why are you even here? You literally had nothing better to do than come tell people their subjective opinions are wrong about something that doesn't matter?
@@xger21 because telling people to keep doing shit that they should'nt is the reason nobody can tell what's good or bad in the movie industry, like what you like but admit that it's shit if it is, so the question comes back, why are you here to tell me that it deosn't matter when it does?
This channel should be the definition of positivity.
I mean, I've seen negative review after negative review of this film. And it was the same for Last Jedi.
I felt bad for liking these movies. I mean, I enjoy all of the films honestly. Hell, my least favorite is Ep. 2. And I watched that one so much as a kid. So it feels good to have a channel like this.
It’s why I unsubscribed to Cinemasins and subbed to Cinemawins and Th3Birdman. Ones positive and the other makes fun of the other.
I know right I love what he said you know that every movie is liked by someone and he shows why it’s liked or figure out why people like it
Never feel bad for liking a movie.
Zombie Hunter same
@Vinod Kumar Yes, like not just writing movies off as "shitty", actually learning to appreciate them for what they are and understanding why some people like this movie. The Star Wars sequels being shitty is nothing more than a popular opinion.
Every movie is someone’s favorite. Let’s figure out why.
because they didn't watch enough movies?
Orktosqt you can still have a favourite movie and still watch lots of movies.
@@lennynero8614 hmm... more than one is good start.
@@jackdonohue7893 for sure, i just don't see how ANY movie could be favorite if you watch a lot of movies. i understand that people could like movies even bad ones, but to have bad movie favorite? that's not something i can imagine.
@@Orktosqt because people have different taste. That's why the world is so diverse. Imagine if everyone like chocolate ice cream, we wouldn't have all the flavors we have today. It's the same with movies, some people love them and some people hate them. This movie was a good movie, but not a good Star Wars movie.
I love hearing more people call Star Wars fantasy in space instead of Sci-fi. I mean Darth Vader had a Suaron style black castle on a lava planet for crying out loud lol
Lol I love that the official genre for Star Wars is "Space-Opera" look it up, the definition is awesome!
@@IsSarcasmIronic Yes, I've always pointed out that Star Wars is a "Space Opera" or "Space Fantasy" when somebody says that is "Sci-fi".
Eh there very little “science” in it. I would definitely categorize it as fantasy rather than sci fi.
@@jjmanzano9 there's not much science in Star Trek either. It's just soft sci fi instead of hard sci fi.
I've always called it a fantasy western in space.
I'm sure many, many other people have pointed this out in a thousand arguments on a thousand forums but Force Drain, Force Healing, Force Protection, Force Absorption and myriad of other Force abilities not explicitly shown in the OT or PT are (or at least were) canon. I genuinely don't understand anyone who says "the Force can't do that". Darth Vader said and clearly meant very seriously "the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force" and I like that we actually started to understand a bit what he must have instinctually known: The Force doesn't really have an upper limit, it binds the universe together and with enough discipline and focus you can accomplish anything, even literal immortality.
@Edward Nicolas Arrienda Torralba a bacta tank could’ve healed Ben’s injury so why not the force?
yeah, ive just started playing the official Star Wars RPG, and so many of the Force abilities you can get in that are what people complained about 'coming out of nowhere' in the sequels, especially healing skills
PREACH! This is why I hope they start doing some movies on The Old Republic just to see people's reactions.
@@henrymarks2237If you think of how badly Snoke scolded him for how badly he "failed" against Rey in TFA (I have another theory about that notion entirely), he might have ordered Kylo to wear the scars as a sign of shame and failure. Then Kylo would have to have kept on the scars keep the loyalty and respect of the First/Final Order after Snoke became half the man he was to show everyone he wasn't a simple puppet.
Just my observation at least from a sort of "supreme leader" standpoint.
Anakin was trained by
Obi Wan, who was trained by
Qui-gon, who was trained by
Dooku, who was trained by
Yoda
Dont forget Ahsoka who was trained by Anakin ;)
"You will go to the Dagobah system. There you will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me." ~Obi Wan, The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
@@bluepearl_22 I've heard of some people justifing that line as him being trained by yoda as a youngling
JjackL that makes sense. Obi wan never says that he was trained by qui gon, just like ahsoka wasn’t actually trained by anakin, or how We see Yoda instructing those kids.
I'm not sure what your point is, Parker.
Everything GREAT about
Pirates Of The Caribbean:
Curse Of The Black Pearl
Please? 🙂
Wait has he really not done the pirate movies yet?
@@ilefthemfree2jizz I searched but came up empty handed. Needless to say I was very disappointed. 😔
Henry M He did many critically acclaimed ones. Infinity War, Endgame, inception, Matrix, Mission Impossible, Incredibles, etc... He just hasn’t gotten to these yet unfortunately
Yes we need this. At World's End as well.
What was great about The Curse of the Black Pearl??
*EVERYTHING*
I always felt like why Vader was unaware of Luke and Leia is because he didn’t know them. Once he knows Luke and his presence are that of his son he takes note of it
Could also just have been because Luke started using the force. It'd also explain why he'd not have been able to sense him in the death star, either he was still too new, or was trying to hide and thus unconsciously hiding his force presence.
Vader didn't know that the twins were born. On the first death star the presence of Obi-wan dominated Vader's perception so Luke went under his radar. At the trench battle he recognized Luke's potential but not identity. It was only later through meditation that he discovered his identity which was then confirmed by the Emperor
That's quite a good theory!
Geralt of Trivia do you know what your kid looks like before you see them and know they’re your kid? You can see someone and know they’re there and not know they’re related to you.
Or because it was entirely retconned.
The reason that C3-PO and R2-D2 landed on tatooine is that Leia was already headed there as she was going to meet old Ben
True. I really thought that was never a plot hole. I think people are just trying to find them these days. Meanwhile, it wasn't a co-incidence that Luke was hidden there, either. Han Solo and the Falcon were incidental, but they are only important to the greater scheme of things because they were there. If it was Jimmy Scrambles and Twirly Bird, all that would be different today is our LEGO models.
@@FlatOnHisFace We find out it wasn't a coincidence via the PT, which is Wins' whole point. That's a plot convenience until one day it isn't.
@@JesseLeeHumphry But it's not an issue like Wins is trying to make it. The prequels explain how it logically happens
It sucks that you have to come out and justify all of the "why"'s you like a movie, so to have you on the internet man, watching your videos really does help enjoy life some more, even escape it a little when you need to.
No kidding. I actually come to this channel to treat my PTSD and depression.
@@ericschuller908 Yes! this is why Lee is tje best
He knows his POV can not stand on its own.
Anyone's POV can stand on its own. Nobody owes anyone an explanation for why they liked, disliked, or didn't have any strong feelings about a given creative work. That Lee gives us an explanation shows he can both form a cogent POV about a given work and own that POV regardless of how anyone else feels about it. You may not like it or agree with it, but it is his POV, and that alone is enough.
@@ericschuller908 Keep fighting man.
The scene where Rey is laying down and saying "Be with me," the jedi appear as so according to the disney+ subtitles.
Young Obi-Wan: These are your final steps, Rey. Rise and take them
Anakin: Rey.
Luminara: Rey
Mace: Rey.
Anakin: Bring back the balance, Rey, as I did.
Aayla: In the night, find the light, Rey.
Mace: You're not alone, Rey.
Yoda: Alone never have you been.
Qui-Gon: Every Jedi who ever lived lives in you.
Anakin: The Force surrounds you, Rey.
Aayla: Let it guide you.
Ahsoka: As it guided us.
Mace: Feel the Force flowing through you, Rey.
Anakin: Let it lift you.
Adi: Rise, Rey.
Qui-Gon: We stand behind you, Rey
Obi-Wan: Rey.
Yoda: Rise in the Force.
Kanan: In the heart of a Jedi lies her strength.
Anakin: Rise.
Qui-Gon: Rise.
Luke: Rey, the Force will be with you, always.
Overson I remember being stoked and really impressed when they gave Ashley Eckstein the chance to voice a line as Ahsoka, but I was even more impressed to see that they included Kanan Jarrus, given that Rebels hasn’t been met with nearly as much applause as Clone Wars.
It would have been nice to see both Luke and Anakin as spirits to aid her, though.
I cried so hard during that scene. That was the greatest outpouring of love ever witnessed in all of Star Wars history.
(And I sobbed even harder as soon as I heard Kanan's voice . . . I miss that man so much.)
Too bad their lazy asses didn't feel like appearing and attacking Palpatine like TLJ and RoS have established Force ghosts to be able to do now.
@@Unknown-hb3id I get what you're saying, but it's not a Ghost Jedi's place to directly interfere. Remember when Kenobi couldn't help Luke in his fight with Vader during Empire? A lot of potholes have been created since then, but I appreciate how this movie had Rey do this on her own with the help of the Force and the wisdom of the Jedi before her.
Here’s my thing: I love Star Wars, all the Star Wars and I will watch them 1 to 8 (well... now 9) and I will thoroughly enjoy myself. But some of the most fun me and my family have when watching them, or any film, are the jokes we can, and will (The “high ground” The bad aim of storm troopers as examples) make and the discussions we have over the real world applications. My point is I don’t think I’ll ever hate a Star Wars film but I know they’re not perfect.
It’s why I enjoy your videos, movies are just meant to be fun and it’s nice to see someone give reasons reasons for their likes and dislikes about something without it devolving into toxic screeching. Keep up the good work and here’s hoping Disney doesn’t demonotive you for this video
I was thinking about making a comment like this, how I’m the type of person who can find joy in most things no matter how bad they are in the eyes of the public, but you summed it up pretty well.
James Dean yep my thoughts exactly
Star Wars is great because it is both good and bad! Balanced, like the Force.
@@b4byj3susm4n you sir, say it perfectly!
I swear you and Star Wars explained are the Light Side when it comes to this fandom...to me anyways. You guys inspires me to be just like you by trying to be positive and trying to not become too toxic and trying to play devil’s advocate in defense to certain things.
He's literally devil's advocate, only worse.
HelloGreedo is also fantastic
Finn was gonna tell Rey he was force sensitive but I also thought he was gonna tell her about her lineage
He was gonna ask her if she ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plageius the Wise
Spencerrr hahahaha 😂. Ironic
I honestly thought he wanted to say he liked her, but yunno, what do I know
Lucien Reles yeah after TFA I would’ve guessed that and I wish it happened but not upset about it
Harrison Jolly Exactly why I thought that, but yeah, I’m not going to complain at all 😂
i just gotta say one thing: i miss carrie fisher
Why did you have to say that? Crap, now the waterworks are starting... 😭
RIP 😢
i mean don’t we all :(
2016...worst year ever
I miss Carrie too
I love that there’s someone out there who loves this movie, but still acknowledges it’s issues
I dont love it but i would watch it again
I wish more people were like this!
I think everyone who loves it would acknowledge the pacing at least. It's like having a spouse. You love them with their flaws.
That's me. I love this movie but I see the problems it has.
I love every Star Wars movie to death, old and new, and they're all full of flaws. One day, I think more people will share this perspective, but we're gonna need ten years or so before then.
I actually did enjoy the sequel trilogy. Not passionately, but enough that I had a much more fun time watching this trilogy than I expected to. So, for that, thank you, CinemaWins. Thank you so much for covering these movies and bringing to light the good in these films and helping us few who enjoyed said films feel heard and valid for not hating the. :)
And now, I think it's safe to say that all of us need a loooonnng break from thinking and criticizing and talking about Star Wars.
(Speaking of turning our attentions away from Star Wars, LOOK IT'S SPACE DAD AAAAAH: 16:54!!!!!!)
I'm doing a full revisit of everything, because of the Ahsoka series. He's right. 5 years on it's actually pretty good
This video just solidified why you’re my favourite channel. The honesty, the comedy, the terrific theories, and positivity, the TRUTH BOMBS. Star Wars IS dumb shlocky nonsense and I love it. You rock, Lee. Never change.
It wasn’t intentional!!! But I’m glad it happened! 😁
I’m not sure why you’ve decided to try and start an argument on a positive comment but alright 🤷🏻♀️
Actually the EU word on Palpatine essentially is: "That dude was born evil." His presence in the force is described as a black whole and iirc his dad at one point had to cover up him killing a guy in a speeder hit and run.
Whoa, wasn't expecting that shoutout. Nice! :D
Edit: Caio is pretty much pronounced like Kyle.
Loved your video as it proved something my non musical mind was thinking
Ok X Æ A-12..
The fact Palpie had clones was part of legends since forever
Why palpie clone in canon has face wounds?
@@НиколайПоветкин-ц6у probably an imperfect clone like 99 in the Clone Wars
I’m not sure who did it worse
Николай Поветкин I read that. It’s really bad.
Николай Поветкин isn’t kinda odd of you still talking bad about the sequels in a video that tries to talk good about them?
My first thought on the bloodlines:
What is better? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?
- Paarthurnax
But he still hides on the highest mountain in skyrim
Herbert Grönemeyer der dritte König von Bayern High Ground
Herbert Grönemeyer der dritte König von Bayern Dragons like mountains, right?
Oh, and in Expanded Universe, Palpatine was pretty much evil from get go. Lucas did toy with a backstory for his Underworld TV show, that might have changed that, though.
Oh hell this is good..
After seeing Ben Solo being Ben Solo, I really miss that we never got to see a Ben Solo movie. Letting Adam Driver be funny and Indiana Jones-like, while wielding a lightsaber would have been tremendously fun.
I don't see any reason why Disney won't make that one. Ben pre-Kylo would make a great fill-in movie.
Oh my God an Indiana Jones Star Wars movie. That would be perfect. No Jedi no big empire. Just a guy looking for treasure, traveling the galaxy.
Lol, there is no market for this
Canuck Monkey 13 do you smoke crack? There is no market for this film. Disney would never make it.
@@adammonks591 You really don't think Disney can market a film about Ben Solo into success? I think you underestimate the power of the Empire (of the Mouse).
I like what you said about the sequel trilogy eventually just being Star Wars to people, like the sequel trilogy is. It’s totally true!
I’m young enough that I’ve always just seen the prequel trilogy as part of Star Wars. My parents continue to be critical of those movies, at least to some degree, but I don’t have any problems with them, and I never really did. I remember watching them when I was small, I remember enjoying them, and that’s all that really matters to me about them.
I have to admit that so far the criticism of the sequel trilogy has gotten to me a bit, so the negativity has rubbed off on me. Thanks for reminding me that I don’t have to have a problem with movies that other people may, I think it’ll help me let go of trying to scrutinize and see the bad in things and instead just enjoy the movies because I want to enjoy them.
"Yeah, just turn your brain off and enjoy this worthless corporate cheap garbage like a good consumer"
You are allowed to like the movie, but accept it's garbage.
The Prequels _were_ *apparently* _garbage_ I guess? I'm 50 years old and I've always looked at Star Wars movies as the "important part" of the story. People can claim they're garbage all day long but as long as you realize it's only part of the story and some of it is left to your imagination until the story between is told in other media, you can love Star Wars.
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A movie is never going to be as fleshed out as a novel. Writers get things in their heads all the time and then forget to put them in the story, perhaps thinking that they'd already added it or that it's too revealing for another part so they're trying to figure out a way to get past the part and reveal it later. I've done it myself. A lot. In proofreading it, you don't always catch it. A proofreader will never catch it unless they are paying really close attention *and* know your intent.
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Yes, there were a lot of parts in the PT I didn't really have a problem with, but others did. I filled in the gaps, much like *The Clone Wars* did for the PT. I've always imagined there is more to the story we might not be told and it's really evident in the ST. Again, I've filled in the gaps and we're already learning more than I thought of as to why things are the way they are in the ST. The possibilities are endless and I've never considered my resolutions as finite...and you don't need to read the novelization to understand the movie, which is why everyone has a different aspect of Star Wars.
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In short, I've found something to love about every Star Wars movie. They're like your own children - they'll never turn out as you expect. You can see them all differently and love each one in a different way. When you start looking for the good in others, you'll often find the good in yourself. What you see in your world - your reality is a reflection of your focus and what you create within it.
Ninja Lion I'm trying to have a conversation. Sorry that I came off as mean but I really want to discuss this movie. Would you like to have a discussion?
This isn't how you start a discussion,@@Doctor_Straing_Strange. It's how you start an argument or lose friends before you make them. I responded to your reply but you said nothing to me. I think you did come off as a hater, so if you want to **discuss** how Star Wars - any part of Star Wars is not fit for Star Wars; is worthless corporate cheap garbage, as you put it - let's start on the right foot.
Give me five reasons, about the movie - not necessarily the creators or actors, why the story doesn't fit?
I'll give my point of view on those five things and if you can't consider the possibilities, we can let it go as "your narrative doesn't fit their narrative". Whether you think you could've done better, or seen something you think is better is irrelevant in this scenario based on the fact that the same "mistakes" were made before Star Wars became a corporation thing.
People loved it (the PT) and people hated it. You're free to do either, but don't come pissing on someone else's parade and calling it rain.
Dale Erdmann alright, here it goes:
1. They revived Palpatine who we thought was dead. The guy exploded twice in the death star however he is alive here. The movie didn't provide ANY explanation as to how he survived. We can assume it's cloning (secrets only the sith knew, despite the people in this universe knowing about the CLONE wars. But people in this universe also thought that the Jedi were a myth, for some reason, so it's understandable, but really dumb). The Palpatine that we see in the movie might be a clone, this is reinforced by the movie showing us clones of SNOKE. Apparently he can clone Snoke more than once, but he.... doesn't. Why? Anyway if Palpatine is indeed a clone, how did he have force powers? In the SW universe clones aren't force sensitive. Was the Palpatine in episode six a clone? Who knows, it's never explained. Palpatine also looks like shit, so why did he clone himself to look do bad? Maybe he isn't a clone, maybe he is the same Palpatine that got blown up. But how did he survive? Again, never explained. However the major problem with this is that it reduces the stakes. How am I supposed to care about what happens in the movie if I don't know how Palpatine must be killed. Couldbnt he have survived? Palpatine said "I have died before", couldn't he survive... again? How do we know he is dead? Maybe that's the point, but how am I supposed to care about the protagonists and the story in general when it seems like killing that son of a bitch is impossible? The way to fix it would have been explaining that Palpatine on the death star was not the real one, and that the real one was chilling since the beginning in exagol, and that once you killed the real one, the clones couldn't be made or something. This doesn't fix the fact that Anakin is no longer the chosen one but who cares at this point? The Sequel trilogy already shat on the OT by existing. Evil was supposed to be vanquished at last. Disney could have made a Prequel Prequel trilogy, but nostalgia is a part of their current movies. Remakes everywhere!
2. Rey turning to the dark side isn't believable. She apparently is so powerful that she can fart lightning out if her hands BY ACCIDENT. What the fuck. The force is completely inconsistent now, how can you control one of the hardest force powers by ACCIDENT. Well, let's get on with my point: what the movie was going for was showing us how she is turning to the dark side by showing us that she uses dark side powers by accident when she is overly emotional, that is fine, except the lightning was too much but we'll take it. The premise isn't that bad, what IS bad, is that they try to convince us that she will be tempted by the dark side and join Palpatine at the end, only to overcome the desire and the darkness in her and stick to the light. Similar to Luke in ROTJ. The problem is that Rey shouldn't be tempted by Palpatine's offer, think about it: the first time she used a dark side power she killed chewie (or thought she did) that would be enough to turn anyone off. Who would want the dark side after such a horrible experience with it? It's laughable. What they should have done is establish that she isn't powerful enough early on. There is a boulder in the forets at the beginning where she trains that is so massive that she can't lift it. Then, after a first encounter with Kylo, she is beaten BADLY. And when she is on the ground, almost dead, she taps into the dark side and uses it to defeat him easily. Bow that's a GOOD experience with the dark side, that might turn her on. Later, Finn confronts her and says that he had never seen her using that power, and that he thinks it might be bad. But she tells him that he is jealous of her power, thus separating them, bow we know the dark side is bad. She has a couple more experiences with the dark side along their journey and she loves it, but she sees the damaging effects on her friendship with the others. Then when she is confronted by Palpatine we can believe she WILL join him. Tension has been restored.
3. The plot is a Bantha chase. There are many plotholes and conviniences in this plot: they have to find a knife of the assassin of Rey's parents, that the stupid ass assassin carved a map on. How stupid must you be to carve a map on your preferred weapon? Anyway, this map leads to the wreckage of the death star. First off: what? It isn't completely blown up, disintegrated? Wtf. Okay, it's not COMPLETELY stupid, but if you watch closely there is still glass on the windows of the throne room. HOW? Anyway, C3PO cannot red the knife aloud. What? Why give him the ability to understand the sith language but not read it aloud? Is the sith language like the n-word or something? Couldn't he point to a map of the galaxy to tell them where they have to go? The problem with this convoluted shit is that it raises questions, and if you don't address them it worsens the overall quality of your movie. That's why simple plots are generally easier to write and they have more chances of being good. The knife says they have to stand on certain shore on the planet where the death star is. The shore is MASSIVE, how did they have the luck of finding the exact spot where the knife matches with the death star? It's ridiculously contrived. Then they stick out a little thing to point where the wayfinder to exagol is. How, or why did they carve the silhouette of the death star on a knife, when the death star is in the water? We see the sea is very agitated too, so the structure must have moved A LOT since it first arrived. Why hide anything there? Or why make a knife based on its silhouette is bound to change by the force of the waves in the sea? It's incredibly lucky that it didn't move. But it shows incompetence from Plpatine and the assassin he hired. Is this supposed to be the same Plpatine that manipulated the Senate of the Republic for years, even fooling the jedi with his masterful plan to take over silently and seamlessly? This guy doesn't even have half the brains Palpatine had. Inconsistent characterisation is what I call it. Rey doesn't find the wayfinder there, Kylo got there first. What? What? Where was he? How did he know wher to find it? Did Palpatine tell him? Pnce again we sacrifice the audience's knowledge of the situation, and tension, to have a surprise! Cool. He destroys it so Rey has to join him to go to exagol. Wait? Wasn't he ordered to kill her? This will be important later ;) Where was I? Oh yes, when he destroys the wayfinder she starts trying to.... kill..... him? At last! Rey has a flaw! I didn't think they could but she has a flaw! She is stupid! Amazing! But too late, unfortunately, her flaw doesn't even factor into the story and she doesn't even grow out of it. There is a looooong, boring fight scene between the two. This is subjective, of course, so maybe YOU didn't find it boring. I'm just highlighting my experience here.
In what I just described there are conviniences that I didn't even mention, like Lando appearing out of nowhere, and them falling right through the quick-sand where they needed to go, or Kylo surviving his ship crashing in the desert. But this is already long enough, so let's skip to the end. Palpatine seems to be pleased that she is there, didn't he order Kylo to kill her?(I told you it was important;)) Maybe he knew somehow that he wouldn't do it? And then there is the convenient fact that Lando recruits hundreds of people to fight for them. What? How? Did they all get a wayfinder? And how did they navigate through the red space cancer to get to exagol? Talking about space cancer, why can't they go AROUND the space cancer to get to exagol? Why must they go through it? But whatever man, this movie is already stupid. Palpatine tells her to strike him down so he can possess her? And she does strike him down?? And he doesn't posses her??? Who wrote this? The guy who wrote BvS. Now it all makes sense. I'm not gonna insult him because he didn't insult me, and I have nothing against him, but his work is not very good, and this movie is his worst script to date.
4. Almost there, just hang on a little. No character growth, no arcs. No nothing. Kylo turns to the light becoming once again Ben Solo, by being saved by Rey. Is that enough to convert him? I wouldn't think so. But ok, he then has a vision with Han, Han says that he forgives him? Hello? Isn't this a vision? He says it's a memory, so he is forgiving.... himself? What a prick. This means nothing, Adam Driver almost sells it with his incredible performance but that's not enough, he FORGAVE HIMSELF, I feel nothing for this character man. He is the most inconsistent character, he is unpredictable, and how sad is it that his last line of dialogue is "Ow!"? Boyega is also a good actor, but he is a buffoon in these movies, his story could have been more interesting but he is there just to say "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYY!" It's sad to waste such a good actor. And Disney has the audacity of calling him their hero after what happened to George Floyd. They even shrunk him in the poster for China, and they had full control over that, don't tell me that they hadn't. It's Disney who decides the poster. But they thought that no one would care. Guess what? I care, "I see through the lies of the Disney" "DoctorStraing Strange, the Sequel haters are evil!" "From my point of view the sequels are evil".
Anyway, I was saying that they don't have a character arc, no one has. It's sad. If you have a counter argument please share it. I'd love to know who had a character arc.
5. Babu Frick is the best character. The others are so boring.
Please do a cinema wins of the clone wars siege of mandalore arc. I know it's not a movie but it's very close to one
I hope he does that!
Quite honestly, I don't think he's going to do another Star Wars anything after this.
Same, but still would be cool
Please
@@ryangreen6255 well, currently he's doing WandaVision in 3-parts, so it's possible he'll do the Star Wars shows, but not Clone Wars yet, he should start with Mandalorian, then maybe the final season of Clone Wars
I love that in ironically a very “knives out” way Rey won because she was a good person healing the monster the scared droid and kylo ren.
The monster helps her escape, the droid helps her friends find her and kylo traded his life back to her at the end.
"Is Star Trek the best place to end a Star Wars video?"
Yes. Roddenberry and Lucas loved each others work and, to be frank, had similar writing problems. The rivalry is pure fan-dumb (which can describe a lot of the attitudes in the fanbases in general)
I also disagree with you about Nemesis, but that's okay. We all have that one we don't like and mine is Into Darkness, though I don't let that affect my enjoyment of almost everything else.
RedShirt047 As someone who knows basically nothing about Star Trek and has only seen 5 of the movies, I love Into Darkness. If I was a bigger Star Trek fan, I would probably hate Into Darkness, but it’s so damn fun for me. It’s kinda the Dark Knight Rises of Star Trek in that it probably sucks, but I love watching it.
@@bencarlson4300 I like TDKR and I think it has the same problem as TROS when it comes to audience/critics expectations because I think people expected Dark Knight/Last Jedi 2 and got Batman Begins/Force Awakens 3 if that makes sense
@@itayeldad3317 and both The Dark Knight Rise and The Rise of Skywalker suffered from a real life death. Heath Ledger was going to be in The dark knight rises and Carrie Fisher for ep.9 it sucks when real life intervenes
Can we just appreciate how convincing Daisy's dead face is.
Wasn't her first ever movie role also a corpse..? :')
@@TheAphexTim First TV role, BBC show called Silent Witness.
Daisy been playing a lifeless character for the last two movies
@@TheAphexTim From a naked corpse to a Jedi, that's a good career progression
*shudders* that face is still haunting for me...
The sequel trilogy's flawed as hell, there's no denying that. But good God, the backlash from some groups of people against these movies and the people who worked on them is simply uncalled for.
If you don't like these movies, that's fine. You're entitled to that opinion. But don't go out of your way to ruin these movies for those who *do* like them. Don't treat them like they're idiots for liking something you didn't. And don't vilify the people that made them, either. You're entitled to disagree with decisions they make, but to make them out like they're malicious people for making said decisions is disgusting. Fan entitlement's a very real and toxic thing and we should all be striving to be better than that.
To be fair, I don't dislike Rian Johnson for his choices as a director, I dislike him for the completely unprofessional and immature manner in which he reacted to fans (primarily by insulting them). I don't care if they're immature or rude or toxic, you don't stoop to their level. Like you said, we should all be striving to be better than that, both sides, not just the fans.
I gotta agree with you on all points. It was always funny to me how people say how flawed the sequel trilogy is, but over look how flawed the OT and PT are...it is Star Wars, every move is flawed and takes leaps because they are based on movies and shows that were flawed and took logic leaps.
@@cf87 I disagree that every movie is flawed, because in my opinion Godfather 1, Goodfellas, Batman Begins , Spiderman 1, The grand Budapest hotel, Pixar Wall E and then Terminator, The Shining are 10/10 flawless perfections in my opinion.
Very eloquently and thoughtfully put - agreed!
I agree with you. I think Star Wars Theory , Geeks and Gamers, & Echo Base are a bunch of assholes. That’s just naming a few…
I’m not gonna lie- I was extremely bitter about this movie. I loved every Star Wars movie. I had never been as hyped for a movie or in general,any piece of fiction in my life. I legitimately was having dreams about the how the movie would be or going to see it starting two weeks prior. I was very angry and almost like in denial when I came out of the movie. The next few days I would think about the fact that Ben dies , or the big one for me about Rey being a Palpatine- and I would just cry. I know how stupid and ridiculous this all sounds. I know. I stepped away from the fandom. But it’s almost like I wanted to remain bitter about this movie. These videos were really amazing to watch. We need more positivity and your videos are a light on the internet. I can’t say that I’m exactly happy about TROS- but you have made me appreciate and be at peace with decisions in the film. I can’t thank you enough.
There is something oddly safe feeling about hating something, holding on to anger regarding something that hurts us. Whether it's something 'stupid and ridiculous' like a movie (it's not stupid and ridiculous) or other traumas in 'real life'. But there is that healing when we can be at peace with it and move on. I'm glad this is helping you move on in peace.
@@stu729 Please elaborate more those are some wise words.
Choosing peace isn't easy. The human mind is frighteningly good at justifying its own feelings and logic. Letting go is hard. Forgiving is harder.
I like to tell my friends about a sharp heavy stone. It cuts into your hands and you know that letting go will expose those cuts to air and that it will sting. And besides, it's your rock. But it's only once you let go that those cuts begin to heal.
You don't need to use the rock to build or support anything, but setting it down is good.
I wish you all the peace in the world. Happy trails, friend.
@@stu729 Thank you for your kindness, my family the days after the movie didn't understand how deeply it all hurt. I love them but frankly they kind mocked me a bit over this.Your comment means a lot. I wish you the best kind stranger :)
@@justifiedsmile52 Thank you, you all are so nice :) "But it's only once you let go that those cuts begin heal"- Beautiful words
Rey Low key did feel that the Skywalker lightsaber did bad things in her vision when touching it in TFA. We saw that she had that ability back then, so it makes sense with the dagger too
THISSSSSS!
Yep
Oh jeez I almost forgot that!
Yes! Good point she even says she doesn't want to touch it again
@@athenajaxon2397 because she saw what was stained on it
Terrible things
One question why Luke didn't felt the same on new hope.
"In... Inverse... Healing? Oh that's just called murder"
Alright, I'll admit, that got a chuckle
At least he didn't go reverse healing🙈
I actually don’t “hate” any of the Star Wars movies, from the Originals to the prequels and the sequels. The only thing I really don’t like about the sequels is that they decided to start in one directions, completely flip it around, get scared, and use the 3rd to flip it all around again. That means the entire trilogy was kind of pointless to me because they don’t actually make one full story, more of just an argument from 2 sides.
I'm hearing you, I like the sequels as individual movies but I just feel that they don't really fit in the saga.
Hates a strong word. I just... greatly dislike Rise of Skywalker. I feel passionately about it, but in a negative way. Though, I don't let it consume my every waking Star Wars Thought
"Time.... is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so."
"Very deep. You should send that to Reader's Digest, they have a page for people like you."
Time is an illusion. And so is death.
Also pants. Pants are definitely an illusion.
Eric Schuller lol
I just realized that I don't actually know where my towel is.
I love the quote "he could save others from death but not himself" it comes back when ben has to die to save rey.
Also my only gripe about this series is Kylo using his “literally stop a ray gun blast with my mind” only once... :(
Actually twice although both in TFA so I see your point
Yep. The prequels did that too with force-speed.
It's really annoying when they introduce something cool and forget about it.
@@Crippycooke I haven't even noticed that on my own.
@@Crippycooke Always confused me that force jumps managed to stay across most of the 9 movies but force speed was only in TPM. You could surely argue that the jedi use the force to enhance their combat speed but that's only really applicable to the prequels too.
@@wag-wankenobi1626 You would think having a mastery of the force to move objects would mean you could move yourself at speed too.
20:30 Fun fact: There is actual canon time travel in star wars, although it is only tied to rebels, it is still a canon event that has happened within star wars.
also the gateway to the force plane that allowed the time travel was sealed off, so we dont need to worry about that
@Ava Rpgers
There’s already theories that the sequels are an alternate universe because of that
@@penguinsrockrgr8yt216 that would explain everything that's now part of Legends
@@erichfiedler1481 That is just stupid considering that Legends were never canon. And even if those were then what continuity would had been canon anyway since there was more than one continuity with those.
@@Mecha82 Legends was canon before Disney bought LucasArts.
I’m really glad that you’re making positive videos like this, you make the internet a better place
Thank you for all your positivity! This movie, and if I'm being honest, most of star wars, is not my jam. However, watching you talk about what you like about this films or really any films you cover is so inspirational. You're just so positive! And that kind of attitude is always welcome, especially now during this chaotic time. Thank you for all your work! I hope you have a fantastic day!!!!
The "do-over" of the Kylo/Han/Ben scene was probably my favorite one in this film. Taking nearly the same dialogue and using it a different way is not a new trick, but it was very impactful as well as the "I know" line as Ben tries to choke out "I love you" I know everyone who's not "Reylo" fan thought that the kiss came out of nowhere, but I did not. The elevator scene and the throne room scene especially in TLJ it is pretty obvious that Rey wants Ben, NOT Kylo, Ben. So her kissing him at the end? He just brought her back from the dead, of course she should kiss him.
I agree with everything you said. The Han scene was beautiful, and the kiss actually served to make me re-evaluate my previous opinions and turned me almost instantly into a Reylo fan. Can you imagine how many emotions you'd be feeling upon being BROUGHT BACK FROM THE DEAD?
Agree with everything you have to say!
The way I saw then Han scene was that Leia probed Ben's mind, found his last moments with Han and projected him to Ben. In that moment, the Han we see is a mix of Han, Ben and Leia's memories guiding Ben. Hence the I know.
Uhm I'm sorry but I must disagree. First in tfa Kyle tortures her for info.
Second in the last jedi there may have been chemistry but that was lost the moment he said join me and rule.
Thirdly in the last jedi the fight in the throne room is not a sign of love but it did show kilos humanity.
Finally the kiss and heal did come out of nowhere heres why. Kylo has murdered reys friends. You think she would forgive him?!? Let alone be in love with him. Not only did he murder one of the few people to treat rey kindly han. But he also murdered luke. So I'm sorry but no way is she gonna kiss a guy who has done this to her no way. Kylo and rey makes no sense in any context. Period. She may have been willing to reluctantly heal him. But no not be in a relationship with him.
i agreeeeee, someone finally said it
Are we forgetting the fact that baby yoda force healed in mandolorian but we won’t get mad at him cause he is cute? Don’t get me wrong I love the little guy but he did it before Rey and no one said anything about it
Legends cannon had dozens of Jedi who had the ability to heal with the Force. Some were to the point where their primary role WAS to be a Force healer.
Yep, exactly : it's not that people critics are bad or without ground, it's just they are fully incoherent.
And when you point that out, you're told you're not a real SW fans.
Wait, what ??
Exactly : baby yoda did it, tons of characters in legends did it. Get over it, people, force healing is a thing in both end of the spectrum ;)
Baby Yoda is from a species of extremely strong in the force dudes and Rey is well..... Rey I think baby Yoda had the force since birth idk
Implying Rey isn’t cute
@@PinkFloydrulez No Rey is a very attractive woman, I just don't know why people complain that she can heal with the force, but we've seen it before with baby yoda, and every time I tell people around me that they were like " yeah, but I love baby yoda, he's cute"
The other thing about Kylo/Ben is in the end, he DID end up just like his grandfather! He turned to the dark side but was redeemed by love and sacrificed himself for the light side and a person he ultimately loved. And he even went against his grandfather's master to do so! Now that's how you tie up a family story!
yea but like anakin actually had a love that was continious throughout a few decades, and then got love from his son, while Rey and Kylo had like 8 scenes together. You are probably one of those Reylo fans that don't have any braincells
Except them loving each other made no sense. The few times they actually interacted, they were basically just trying to kill each other.
@@daizbid Lol, implying love makes sense.
@@thund3rbird738
Kylo was redeemed by the love of Han, Luke, and Leia more than by Rey.
And their love for each other makes sense. For starters, Kylo never wanted to kill her, always admired her, and sensed his destiny was tied with hers (so all's fine on his end). And while Rey did try to kill him, she sees him as the legacy of the old heroes, and her love for them motivates her to want to turn him back. And they had 7 scenes together, most of which were in intimate one-on-one settings where they were dealing with and sensing each other's inner emotions BEFORE Rey decided that he was redeemable and tried to do it. And that's all before RoS.
Luke wanted to redeem Vader having talked to him ONCE before, and it was while they were fighting!
Neither are bad or unrealistic pictures of love springing up from animosity. It shows that love is stranger and more powerful than hate, and I think the fact that it could grow between previous enemies is a beautiful message, and one that has been at the heart of Star Wars since the originals.
The love that redeemed Ben was the love of his parents, not Rey. And he sacrificed himself for Rey because he loved HER. Now you can argue the merits of that love, but there is no doubt he had feelings for her. How deep those feelings were and if it was "true love" or not, is up for conjecture, but his parents love is what saved him and only the most cynical would deny that.
"That was just a bunch of nameless-"
*_SCREAMING IN CLONE WARS_*
"We're just nameless jedi and clones, we're meant to be expendable"
"Not to me"
I actually like RoS so when you said “you’re gonna hate it” I knew I was gonna love it
Same here!
begone
AyeNick no.
Everyone can have opinions but you don't need to be rude about it.
@@nicholaspinedo9675 you begone
@@SWDude2710 Seconded!
(The Phantom Menace is the best of the Prequel Trilogy)
13:42 "Palpatine was a clone, which is very comic booky..."
The ironic part is that Palpy having clones is in fact originally from a comic series of the early 90s called "Dark Empire".
If you look closer, TRoS has many plot points similar to "Dark Empire".
I have those collections!
Im so glad im not the only one who loved this movie after hearing nothing but hate for the past few months.
It was a very good movie in many ways. Some things were a little confusing, but overall it was really good. Being one that remembers going and seeing Star Wars A New Hope in the theater when I was 8 I've always loved the movies, even the prequels. People have just gotten so uptight and jaded in the past 20 years when it comes to movies and it ruins the experience for them.
@@Joreel A problem for me is watching videos that point out things in movies like bad dialogue, poorly written characters and inconsistent tone and pacing. In many ways it made several movies hard for me to watch because issues begin to stick out like a sore thumb, but helped me appreciate truly great movies like A New Hope 10x more.
I still think is worst of the new trilogy but I still liked it. For me, it's a solid 8 out 10.
@@caioferreira117 8 is quite generous, I'd give it a 4.
@@Joreel Also, the change of culture has affected how films are made nowadays, with directors and producers such as Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy feeling the need to address political issues in what should be fun kids' sci-fi fantasy films. I, as well as so many, had fun escaping our world for a couple of hours to enjoy the new Star Wars films, but we cannot change the internet's unshakable opinion and history will not remember this trilogy as fondly as many do, which is quite a shame.
Honestly I want to see him do a CinemaWins for Star Trek Nemesis now and to tell the truth I've stopped looking at these videos as win counters for movies and started looking at them as another movie lovers second opinion on random movies and I would love to hear his opinion on ST:N my favorite Star Trek movie
Favorite!? See? Proving my point. Off the top of my head, I liked seeing Patrick Stewart so happy driving the dune buggy and Tom Hardy chews outer space. I have fun memories around its announcement and seeing posters for it. Weird thing to say, but I was totally surprised we were getting another TNG movie after Insurrection. I haven't seen it in a few years, so I'll have to watch it again.
I loved Nemesis!
While Nemesis was not my favorite, I do think it is disproportionately criticized, just like this movie. I also would love to see a Nemesis review.
@@CinemaWins How about Generations? (My father loves that one, it's his favorite trek film.)
Nemesis isn't the best, but there were still things I liked about it. As noted, Tom Hardy as an evil young Picard is fantastic. And the way he acts toward the end, the reckless "take you down with me, ignore my injuries to spite you" may seem like crazy already-dead behavior but it is an actual element of young Picard from TNG itself. It nearly gets him killed in his Academy days, there's a Q episode all about it.
And it served as a reasonable capstone to a lot of Romulan-based plot elements from TNG that were still lingering even after DS9.
Yep, I enjoyed this trilogy, I enjoyed this movie, I’ll rewatch this trilogy, like I do the other trilogy’s, Star Wars isn’t a philosophical masterpiece, it’s a good vs bad story, the good guys win, that’s it, I’ll always be happy to sit down and spend a few hours in this universe, that’s good enough for me
I feel the same. Whenever I see it on tv I will watch it no matter which trilogy is on.
agreed. sequel haters are just people who expect too much from the movies
Same
Matthew Stephen empire is not a masterpiece, it’s fantastic and iconic but it’s still a simple story like all of Star Wars, just told well, and one movie, even if said movie is considered a masterpiece by many, does not make a 9 film franchise perfect or a masterpiece, do the flaws stop me from enjoying each film? No, and I’ll refer you to what I originally said, I won’t stop watching any of the movies and will always enjoy them, also movies like music and other art forms will always have varied opinions on them, there is no fact to what is good and isn’t good when it comes to these things, just personal opinions, so I will not argue or debate with people who hate this film or it’s trilogy, at the end of the day if I enjoy something I’ll keep on enjoying it it’s that simple
@@liarose2054 no, we expect these movies to have a consistent story.
The similarities between Palpatine's, Rey's, and Ben's themes are the one piece of evidence that makes me think there's a possibility they might have planned Rey's parentage from the beginning. Even if they obviously didn't plan much else lol.
(also, connecting Anakin's actions in ROTJ to Rose's quote in TLJ completely saves that cheesy line for me.)
I suspected the Emperor was still alive based almost entirely on how much signposting Disney was doing after TFA. So much supplemental material was emphasizing Palpatine’s contingencies should he perish such as the Battlefront campaign and Aftermath novel series. It wasn’t lost on me that Palpatine after coming to power started investing manpower and resources in exploring the unknown regions, the exact place the First Order rebuilt their forces.
Actually Sideways has a cool video breaking down Rey's theme
So. I love the OT, love the prequels trilogy, and this trilogy. I've read A LOT of the now "legends" novels (honestly who was able to read them all?), comics (including the original clone wars with the Duursema/Ostrander stories being the best imo), read the legacy things, played most video games since the early days of Rogue Squadron and Jedi Knight up to Fallen Order. So, yeah, I would call myself a fan.
Therefore, I could easily find a lot of problems in those films and being disappointed in the lack of cohesion and questionable writing at times. But no.
I just had a grand time enjoying myself at the cinema watching a good entertainment movie with Force stuff, lightsabers, Skywalkers and space ships.
And I totally didn't even calculate any criticism given to any of these sequels.
(now I'll admit that JJ style can be disliked, fortunately, I'm part of the people that really like his work).
Disney is at times bad, that's a fact,
but they'll allow us to keep seeing some Star Wars, some "meh" ones, but also some like The Clone Wars and The Mandalorian and you know what?
I'm fine with that.
“without questioning things and ruining my own experience.” This is a huge problem I’ve had with things my whole life. Nearly everything falls apart under enough scrutiny, even Shakespeare, but thanks largely to my girlfriend’s completely opposite outlook and this channel, I’ve gotten so much better about enjoying things.
Take it easy, man. It's not about ignoring the issues or not noticing them at all. It's about awknoledging them, but enjoying stuff ANYWAY =D
Dr. Adamsen thanks that’s basically the way I’ve been taking it.
@@MegaCityGhost Ignoring the issues is not bad. And to me is imposible not noticing errors in the movies XD
Star Wars: Episode IX - The Goblet of Fire
Moaning Babu isn’t real, she can’t hurt you.
Moaning Babu:
I thought it was captain. Aye Jack?
Boltz Aye, there be only one CAPTAIN Jack Sparrow, and I be not him.
Btw, Eleven is actually my favorite character of ALL time.
I was never really upset about Anakin’s redemption point being wasted, but now thinking about it as saving what he loved not killing what he hated has framed it entirely new light. Thank you.
17:50 “We are what they grow beyond. That is the true burden of all masters.”
I love that line
Damn. This time I was so early, Han Solo was still alive.
But it takes place a looooong time ago
brah
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I loved your line about how this is the most Star Warsy Star Wars that has ever Star Warsed. It really captures my feelings about things. Some of the best Star Wars out there in my opinion "breaks" far more than anything in the sequel Trilogy. The EU has some truly ridiculous stuff that makes the sequels seem grounded and nearly hard sci fi, and a huge swath of the community loves it.
(Spoilers for KotoR and KotoR 2 in this paragraph) Knights of the Old Republic is a prime example of something that's an amazing Star Wars game that's critically acclaimed, but it has Force healing, bonds between two Force users, deus ex machina battle meditation that's one of the most powerful Force abilities ever seen, etc. KotoR 2 has some of the most interesting characters, especially with regard to a grey Jedi some philosophy, and that game involves a literal wound in the Force as a huge plot point. I can't imagine much that could break a fantasy world more than being able to harm or destroy the setting's phlebotinum.
It's sad to see people who have lost the ability to love and enjoy things despite the flaws. (Sadder if they never had it.) It's also sad how overwhelmingly people jump on negativity. People shouldn't have to qualify praise for a thing with "it's not perfect" or "it's no masterpiece." People love things that aren't perfect because nothing is perfect. Everything has flaws.
I hope culture shifts back towards a greater ability to simply enjoy things for what they are. This channel is amazing, and it gives me hope for a more positive future.
Personally I think the MOST Star Warsy thing to ever Star Wars was that shot in Ep 7 of Starkiller Base sucking the energy from the star. But, same diff. Otherwise, I feel like power creep is simply INEVITABLE in a franchise like this. The only way the Force wouldn't become "broken" is if there had never been any other movies besides the og Star Wars. Otherwise, when you have magic space wizards running around, you gotta keep inventing awesome new magic for them.
The Force could do anything, become anything and it'll feels like a _Star Wars_ things. Nothing could ruin The Force when The Force itself was never specified to be _one_ thing/ability.
Yes Kotor has all those things, but it explained HOW AND WHY they existed, it showed people training for years and year and years to gain those abiltiies . It didn't just ham-fist them in last minute because it ran out of ideas.
@@EmiliaB94 I don't think Force Heal were ever explained in KOTOR (the game, not comics and books), though. You just level up and choose the ability. But it has been so long since I played both games, care to enlighten me, in which part did they mention any Jedi power besides Battle Meditation?
@@techzone1552 I think you're confusing the _sequels_ with _canon_ . The EU you're referring to is Legends, and therefore non-canon (officially) with Jacen and Kyle Katarn and Galen Marek (aka the ultimate Gary Stu of Legends). But there are _many_ good canon materials, sequels or prequels or OT era. Bloodline, for example. Also Vader comics and "Age of..." comics. And any Star Wars book by Claudia Gray and Timothy Zahn. I think, in terms of EU Legends and EU canon, canon's got the higher ground, because there are little materials that doesn't make sense or had some bad writings compared to hundreds of Legends' EU. Finding a good read between dozens of... _unique_ storytelling is quite tough (with many exceptions too, of course!)
so happy you said anakin saving luke was more important then killing the emperor, i love this movie and that literally has been bothering me since i watched it and since youre so right about that i can love it even more thank you for these. legit cried when wedge showed up at the end. dont care if its fan service im a fan
The most vocal critic are fans as well.
When you watch The Prequels that Anakin will bring balance to the force, you get the sense of uplifting when you watch back RoTJ, knowing how corrupt both the bureaucratic Jedi and Sith are. When you watch RoTJ after The sequels, you have this sense of pity to Anakin, knowing that Anakin's prophecy was completely wasted and all for nothing. The chosen one bringing balance to the force? Nah, let a Palpatine do that.
There are many videos on YT explaining why rise of skywalker sucks
@@tyvamakes5226 seriously did not get his point tho
I had a heartbreaking day yesterday. Depressed, on the verge of tears, really needing something to cheer me up. So what did I do? I watched the entire sequel trilogy. And it worked. Did it change what happened to me yesterday? No. But it did make me relax and heal, forget reality for a while and let go of my sadness. That's what these movies, all of these movies, do for me. They make my heart happy. The only sadness I feel regarding these movies is for the people who can't (or won't let themselves) enjoy them. My advice to them: find your own happiness elsewhere and stop trying to ruin mine.
"find your own happiness elsewhere and stop trying to ruin mine."
Oh you mean like how Disney completely ruined Luke?
you just did that exact thing bro. stop trying to ruin other peoples happines. it doesn’t do anybody any good
@@zachgilbert3815 You are exactly the kind of Person Virtie333 is talking about. Why would you write this below such a heartbreaking comment?
@@nilsf5302 fucking lol. "heartbreaking"? Seriously? Its a terrible movie get the fuck over it. They DESTROYED established characters and replaced them with hollow shells.
@@zachgilbert3815 C is for Care, you have none
U is for Underrated, this trilogy is
N is for nothing, how much of his comment you read
T is for Temper, you need to control yours
I really feel you about this whole "I'm tired of arguing about Star Wars" thing. The civil war that unleashed with the Last Jedi is really what turned me off from actively caring about anything Star Wars ever again. With the Clone Wars having closed off now, it feels kinda final to me.
I'm just tired of all the negativity. It'd be OK if we could just all discuss the movies like reasonable people and just have fun. But there are too many people out there who've made it their mission to attack anyone who likes the "wrong" Star Wars movies, whichever they think those are. And it's just exhausting dealing with them. And that's not on Disney. That's on the fans for treating these movies like a religion than then going jihad at the first hint of perceived heresy.
@@jasonblalock4429 yeah I'm tired of the negativity too.
If I dislike stuff, I get called a misogynist. If I like stuff, I get called a shill. It's like... I can like Star Wars without being totally in love with everything that comes out of it, and I can dislike stuff in in without hating every single element.
I've always loved anything Star Wars (with a very few exceptions that my mind just couldn't accept *cough cough* Crystal Star *cough cough*) but after watching _any_ Star Wars video for the past two to three years on TH-cam and see how toxic the comment and community is, I just feel... Tired. I'm tired to justify my love for the franchise, people bashing me for liking those, and now I can't even getting myself excited for TCW season 7. I haven't watched it yet. It's so much nicer to spend my time in another community where you could agree or disagree respectfully with others, and sadly Star Wars is not the place to do so.
@@elissacousland8136 Lots of franchises have that problem these days. Star Wars, Last of Us, Final Fantasy. I can understand when people are just stupid and still cling onto opinions because its the "Popular one" and then they get called out for it, but more often than not it always ends up with someones mom being insulted.
@@monogamousmatt546 last of us
I mean the last of us 2 subredit, is just a hate subredit. Like what the hell.
I really loved the movie. I don't know if its because I was born at the end of prequels and beginning of this trilogy but I just loved the sequels. I know there are problems but no movie is going to be perfect. But I have been made to feel I'm stupid because I like a movie. Sorry about the long comment i just wanted to say I did like this movie. Stay safe everyone.
You're not stupid for liking these movies. The original trilogy are just as flawed as the prequals, and the sequals are just as flawed as both. Like he said, people put star wars on an unrealistically high pedestal when in truth they're just schlock sci-fi adventure films with an actual budget behind them.
People should relax & enjoy they show instead of taking them overly seriously
You're not stupid. I'm someone who grew up with the special edition VHS's of the original trilogy, and I think each and every one of the sequels is fantastic. I love 'em all and I'm very glad you do too.
@@2BChaos thank you so much.
Amen man! I'm 13 so I relate but the sequels are honestly great
@@zacharymiddleton9530 yes I agree
Not Gonna Lie, My favorite Star Wars movie is “The Last Jedi”, for many reasons. One of them being Luke’s ark, even though it was...confusing at first. But the more I watched the movie I realized that Luke was sad, Depressed! Because instead of making Ben, he ended up creating Kylo Ren. And not only that, but Kylo ended up killing all of the other students, and eventually join the first order as Snokes apprentice. So, he went into hiding, and when Rey went to ask for Lukes help...he was scared because he knew what Ben had become and didn’t want anything to do with him. But after Luke realized that she was force sensitive, he decided that he should train her and allow her to go and not him...but then he realized what power she really had, and he was scared again and gave up. But after his fight with Rey when he saw Kylo and Rey connecting Through the Force..he had finally decided it was time for the Jedi to die and for him to stay in excile for the rest of his miserable and sad life. But then Yoda’s force Ghost appeared and asked what Luke was doing, and when Luke said he was going to destroy the Texts..he let him. But Luke had a change in heart and no longer wanted to burn the texts..but Yoda used the force to destroy the Texts and Luke was shocked. He was confused on why he would destroy the Texts but he soon understood why, because it was only a book that told you all the force powers that exist...and that’s it. He never really needed the books, all he really needed was the force and to believe in himself. After his confrontation with Yoda, he had finally decided try o help the Resistance and Rey, so he used the force to project himself to Crait to distract Ren and the First Order so the Resistance could escape. But when Luke was “Fighting” Kylo he tried his best to turn Kylo back to the Light Side but he soon realized that he was to far gone. So, he let Ren “kill” him only for Ren to realize he was a Force Projection and that the Resistance was escaping while he was trying to fight his past. But, after Luke had projected himself there and stopped, he was to weak and faded into the force to join Kenobi, Yoda, and the rest of the Fallen Jedi Before him...This is one of the many reasons I Love “The Last Jedi”.
I've always loved all Star Wars movies, The Last Jedi as well ... the only gripe I had with it when I saw it for the first time was when Leia pulled herself back into the ship from space - it came from nowhere! But 9 came out and showed us she was trained by Luke in the arts of the force, so that question got answered! I love the entire series! Star Wars for the win!
I always wondered what Luke's arc was in TLJ, thanks!
I honestly really liked it as well! A lot of Star Wars feel, some unbelievable visuals and a story I could definitely get behind.
One of my favourite moments was Luke’s conversation with Yoda and how much like Empire it was.
I just like it! Same with the other two films!
@@AndorRadnai the main issue with Luke in the sequel trilogy is the fact that the character was turned into a coward for no reason, even mark Hamill has stated how much he disapproves of what his character was turned into
9:05 Yes, we do miss those boards as well. It is a shame how they massacred that website :-(
But still, what a great video. I personally liked the movie and it is nice to see a youtuber respecting that instead of hating everything. Keep up the good work!
Yes! So much yes! I absolutely LOVED going on the IMDb boards and giving my opinions, theories, etc.
While trolling was a little out of hand towards the end, there were still so many great discussions being had. Hell, I actually met some people on them that I consider to be friends and connected with outside of IMDb on other social media sites.
IMDb really has fallen apart the last few years. It wasn't even just the message boards... they've completely screwed up so many other areas of the site, too. Ex. I hate how they removed a lot of the indexing options for movie reviews. I write reviews there as a hobby, and used to be able to just look at a concise list of all the reviews I've written without having to scroll through all of them. But now, I have to scroll through every single one if I'm looking for a specific one I wrote. Drives me absolutely batty.
I also loved doing that! Have to settle for the "official Reddit Discussion" now, which serves a similar purpose, if a little harder to find the correct thread.
personally, I like ROS the most out of the sequel trilogy, and I like watching these videos cause it either strengthens the aspects I like or give me a new angle on the film overall
I’d like to point out how beautiful it is though that Anakin’s lightsaber will forever be buried next to his mother and the lightsaber of his daughter.
@Beau Hinton *anakin screaming in the background*
I mean, at least she was kind enough to wrap it up?
Ironic... Anakin not only hates sand, but he hates Tatooine same as Luke.
I dont think thats a good place for that lightsaber. Naboo would be more fitting imo, somewhere next to padme.
@@justinharris5024 Rey wouldn't know that though...?
@@ladyscarlette6289 Yeah she couldn't ask force ghosts, because they are too inconsistent in the sequel trilogy
I just want to point out that ol sheev was doing all sorts of weird cloning crap in the old canon (Luke literally duels himself while palpatine watches at one point after the battle of endor), so his coming back in this movie is a huge giant relief to me. It felt like Disney acknowledging the history they're working with
23:05 that joke alone got you my like. Other than that, i really didn't like the movie. At all. But i was very curious to see what you had to say about it, and you didn't dissapoint. I enjoy alot your way to see things and explain why this movie works for you.... And, i'm glad you liked it. Your channel is starting to be one of my favorites
a non toxic star wars fan oh wow i have seen it all now kudos to you
@@WFKGW dude get out of here. joke or not theres a lot of non toxic star wars fans. hell most of them are. besides its like Henry Cavill said, fans typically arent toxic theyre passionate, bcse its a franchise they love.
@@Tholen3 pretty much that. yet there are still those (maybe fanboys, maybe not) that just dont undertand that, and call us either hater, or to be quiet etc
@@Exel3nce These are the nutjobs who follow their fandom like fundamentalists : they're often a vocal minority who give a bad name to the rest.
Thloen W you do realise i love all star wars films, i have no problems with any of the films, but mainly from what i see is just toxic fans everywhere i go it was not sarcasm it was a genuine opinion
"You're gonna Hate It"
I have a bad feeling about this
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"Odd I feel nothing, ...keep your mind on the here and now" Qui Gon Jinn 8 )
I was 15 when I saw A New Hope at the cinema and have loved every minute I've spent in that universe. The trick is not to think it's yours. It truly isn't. My take is to enjoy it because it's not mine, my universe consists of 8-5 Monday to Friday struggle to first find and then keep health, sustenance and covering for you and your loved ones. While I'm in the Starwars universe the pressure is off. Just a thought.
Amen to that.
I believe in something of an inverse: It is "yours", in the sense that your personal experience with Star Wars is yours alone to explore. And like Lucasfilm's Matt Martin, who recently talked about franchise canon and how it can be whatever you want it to be, your experience is your personal canon for the franchise. If you want to toss out the Prequel and Sequel Trilogies but keep Clone Wars and Mandalorian, so be it. Hell, if you want to toss out everything but ANH, so be it. You can make it whatever you want it to be because while you don't own the story, you own your experience with it. (Hell, someone might consider the Sequel Trilogy as the only canon they need at some point in the future.) Point is, whatever you liked or disliked about Star Wars is nobody's business but your own, and you can make your own personal canon for the franchise out of whatever you want - and if it makes you happy, that's what matters the most. :)
That's a fine way of looking at it as well Stephen and I applaud your view. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who take that personal experience into the public domain and It seems that social media has provided a forum for people to air their personal dissatisfaction with almost every subject you care to name. In the case of Starwars, it seems those that didn't enjoy their experience are the majority to gain traction. It is why I enjoy this channel so much. An while I concede that no film is perfect, with perhaps the exception of Citizen Kane (IMO), this world could do with a little more positivity. So keep up the good work Lee, your channel really is a refreshing experience.
Very true. People these days seem to think that, because they consume something, they own some sort of stake in it. Star Wars is George Lucas and Lucasfilm’s story, and he should be able to do with it as he pleases, regardless of how we feel about the end result. I always hated that Lucas got forced out and ended up selling, because he’s the reason we have Star Wars at all.
I was a few months old when I saw ANH at the cinema. Oddly enough, I don't remember anything from that viewing...
"What is better? To be born good, or to overcome one's evil nature through great effort?"
To overcome. Something that Rey didn't do in this trilogy, she's just a Mary Sue
@@Doctor_Straing_Strange Bruh luke was a marry sue he was able to be just a regular whiny farm boy to blowing up the death star and fighting vader in the span of a few days. You are being negative for no reason
Ninja Lion I'm tired of people making this stupid argument. It was explained in the movie why Luke was a good pilot, that's why he blew up the death star, plus he had the force with him that he had learnt to control a little bit. Three years later, THREE YEARS, in Empire strikes back, we see that Luke has been practicing with the force and now he can lift objects from the ground like his saber with a GREAT amount of effort. He gets beat up by the Big foot on Hoth and he lifts his lightsaber and barely escapes.
Rey on the other hand, could beat Kylo Ren, a trained assassin, on her first try. She then, in the second movie, lifts what looks like 50-100 rocks with no effort whatsoever, it looks like she is even surprised that she can do it. Luke in Empire fails constantly in his training with Yoda and he then gets beat up by Vader and he gets his hand cut off. He FAILS constantly. That's what makes Vader such a formidable opponent, and Luke such an underdog, that's why in Return of the Jedi, when Luke redeems Vader, it is super rewarding. Rey, on her third movie, she beats mother fucking Palpatine. And the ending makes no sense, it's just a copy of return of the jedi, but worse.
In ROTJ, the Emperor wants Luke to kill him do he turns to the dark side, he refuses, and so Vader is the one who kills the emperor, redeemed by Luke. It's a great scene. In ROS, Palpatine tells Rey to kill him, so he can possess her, she does, and he doesn't posses her? Wtf. Anyway, that's not my point. My point is that merely two days after discovering that the force was real, Rey lifted 50 rocks with no effort, after three years, Luke could lift a lightsaber, with much effort.
See the difference? She is a Mary Sue, and it's a shame because her character introduction in TFA was spectacular, but they made her boring.
I think Which would be the better option.
@@Doctor_Straing_Strange Rey was able to beat kylo 1 kylo got shot in the side by explosive cross bow
2 Rey is related to the most powerful being in the galaxy (palpitine) Now quit complaining u baby
I absolutely love that you express how you read between the lines like I did and I think it’s great that you picked up on the first force interaction between Rey and Kylo truly unlocked their bond
Spenser woaahh 😂 Look at you go. It’s almost like you hate that other people enjoy something you despise. Tragic 😔
Ok so:
Here's the thing: Luke as the badass leader in the EU will always be there. Kyle Katarn learned from him. Mara Jade switched sides and married him. Done.
In the other continuity that we had, Rey learned from him. Also, Rey learned from Leia. We didn't get to see Duel of the Fates, unfortunately. But it's still Star Wars. Jedi, Sith, ships, quips, lightsabers, droids, etc.
Just enjoy it as it is, and if you didn't like ep IX, act like it's an alternate timeline and the canon is the Legends stuff. Done.
No one needs to be stomped on, your love for this universe doesn't have to die.
Enjoy this as it is, and if you wanna see Luke build a Jedi temple in Yavin just go play Jedi Knight/Jedi Academy/Jedi Outcast. Read the classic comics. Write your own book about it, whatever. Star Wars is a fantasy. Even Lucas didn't know exactly what A New Hope was going to be until the finished product, and he still thought that things needed tweaking. He still changed stuff around until he literally couldn't anymore.
Star Wars is our fantasy. It belongs to all of us. We all can build a makeshift saber or buy one. We all can play the games and fiddle with the force. We all can watch the movies and cheer and cry. We all can hum the soundtrack. We all can try to use the force to get the controller that's three feet (one meter) away from us. This is a movie. Enjoy it.
And in the case you still can't enjoy this, go to the things you enjoy in this universe. Play Jedi: Fallen Order, push stormtroopers into chasms. Play Force Unleashed, shove Star Destroyers unto the ground. Read the comics, watch the old movies.
Don't let the hate flow through you. That leads to a path that only brings you more pain and suffering.
Thank you.
Wonderfully said/typed. Especially about what letting hatred flow can bring.
Me personally, (and admittedly as a fan who never really got into the OT and became a star wars fan because of 2003 clone wars) I've already seen a star wars timeline where Luke, Han, and Leia dominate the show. I want something different for this new era. And even though the sequels are really similar to the OT in a lot of ways, those are still my favorite star wars movies, particularly The Last Jedi.
I'm a fan of both timelines, they both have good and bad. For every KOTOR II, there's a crystal star. For every Thrawn book, there's a TOR: Revan. For every Last Jedi, there's a star wars rebels. Okay, it's not exactly that dynamic, there's definitely more good than bad. But both are equally and validly Star Wars.
ALL STAR WARS IS STAR WARS!
“Warwick Davis back as Wicket” Yeah, and the other Ewok in the scene was Wicket’s son, and played by Davis’ son, Harrison.
And yes, he’s named after that other Harrison guy who was in this movie, apparently Davis & Ford are friends
Man, that makes me want a dwarf harry potter now. "You're a wizard Harrison!"
Bro! You’re the first person I’ve seen make that point about Vader’s sacrifice not being ruined. I always thought that from the first time someone brought it up. The significance wasn’t about KILLING the emperor, it was about SAVING Luke...you know, because saving someone out of love is something a Jedi would do, not a Sith
Oftentimes I question whether or not the chosen one prophecy should’ve been a thing in the first place, especially after Rose’s most infamous line. I don’t think his arc should be about some “the chosen one kills the bad guy” cliche. It should be about his lifelong internal and external struggles and ultimately redeeming himself by saving who he loves.
@@vestige1671 I mean... to put it in perspective? "Wait, I became Palpatine's bitch to try to save Padme's life... and here I am watching her son - MY son - die... WHAT THE FUCK am I even doing?!"
Preach bro, plus the force was brought to balance through anakin skywalker because he chose Rey to help him end palpatine. And palpatine did say he died before. Not only that this further solidified anakins legacy because Ben solo didn’t finish what Vader started, he finished what anakin started, he saved the one he loved from dying.
Cinemawins: "You will hate it."
Me: "No. I don't think I will."
But no seriously, I didn't really like this movie as a star Wars film but I still enjoy your videos. Even when I seem harsh and unforgiving but I still love and enjoy your content!
Agree, I like this guy though
It's certainly better than last jedi. that one felt like an attack on the fandom. this one... misses the mark on things but, I can feel that it was trying to be a star wars movie. it's not horrible and I certainly walked out of theatre feeling better than last jedi. for what's worth I think that means something.
I just wish there was a consistent vision across the trilogy. it would help direct focus and criticisms.
The training that Yoda was talking about was referencing the training that Yoda went through in the final episodes of clone wars season 6
Oh, we know.
I know you said that Luke just wouldn't appear on Exegol to beat the Emperors ass because it wouldn't make sense in movie terms, but here's what I thought for an in-universe explanation.
We know that the light side of the Force or Force in general has a strong influence on Ahch-To allowing Force ghosts do some cool stuff, interact with their surroundings more etc. but then Exegol has more of a concentration on the dark side which then leads to the Force ghosts have a much more limited capabilities.
Nice
Didn't stop all the Jedi from giving Rey their power tho...
Shouldn't that have meant Palpatine was definitely stronger and should have won?
Tobias Geis the force ghost weren’t able to go to the planet because of the dark side but they could still transfer there power to rey they don’t really have to be there to do it either
@@miep3934 JJ confirmed that the power of sidius in the movie was Ray and Ben's power. So he used her power against her. That might have helped her.
@@eladamittai2753 that makes the line "I am all the sith" all the more confusing and the explanation not in the movie.
Still bad writing
"Every movie is someone's favorite and i'm going to figure out why."
Dude...
Oh man, the "oh no..." and the cuts to The Last Jedi had me in stitches
I'm so glad you made this video. I genuinely enjoyed this movie regardless of how majority feels.
It’s not the majority. If you read the Wikipedia article, the reviews from critics and fans alike always have more likes than dislikes.
I'd argue the majority is, at worst, indifference. I loved the movie, and while I've certainly met those who did not love the movie. I haven't met anyone in person who actively hates the movie or told me I was wrong about loving it.
Same. I like the sequels.
@@Gibla2077 💤 😴
@@Danbo22987 Yeah because this movie is so good. Finn totally wasn’t shafted, the Emperor’s return is totally consistent with the rest of the trilogy, the dagger is so well written, and it completely respects the ideas set up by Rian Johnson.
When Rey first touched that lightsaber, she got terrifying visions. So the knife thing isn't an incongruity.
Yeah, looking back at that, she likely just got over it after being with the lightsaber for over a year
I still think that the visions Rey experienced was due to the result of a force power known as psychometry
Where a force user can see all the “memories” of an object that they have in their hand, a notable Jedi from the past with this ability is Quinlan Vos
“This knife has done terrible things”
“Master sky walker, there are to many of them, what are we going to do?”
@@mastermonke1177 Can't you say that any given weapon has "done terrible things"? She's just cold reading at this point.
@@nms72 a weapon which has not been used has not done terrible things. A weapon that was only used against droids has not necessarily done "terrible things". As well, if someone tipped their rapier in rubber and used it as a overly bruising fencing foil, it has not done terrible things. As well as weapons that have only struck down evil.
im glad i get to see someone talking about the good points of the movies, i love TROS, not my favourite star wars but its high up for me, it was star wars for me, it captured what i feel in love with when i first saw a VHS of empire strikes back when i was 5, the series for me has always been that magical feeling more then the twists or the deep lore