The fact they call these heavy death machines children in a playground and the way the way they explain how the engines look and act pisses me off so much
At least they mentioned that Edward and Henry were both crucial to the series, even if they were easy to overlook. I gotta give them credit for at least recognizing that.
Edward I’d say after the hit era was kinda done well in the nitrogen era outside of seaosn 14 and the brenner era did him well and Henry had some bright spots in the hit and brenner era I’d say
Personally, I think the Hit style guide really shows just how much that era was missing the main thing I think makes Thomas so great: respect. Awdry respected his audience and his subject matter deeply, Alcroft respected her audience and mostly respected her subject matter, Brenner respected the subject matter and his audience as much as Mattel let him, and their eras with the IP were good because of it. Between all the grammatical mistakes, the way they dumbed down the characters, and the way that they were constantly comparing the characters to children that the people writing this style guide had no respect for the IP or their audience, and were just using Thomas's popularity to make a kids show for kids, and nothing else.
@@fanofeverything30465 It's short for "intellectual property". Basically the Thomas brand, all the stuff that Hit and later Mattel bought the rights to.
If I remember correctly, Godred the Impailer was a Wilbert Awdry invention that he put in the Island of Sodor book. He's also the King that Gordred the engine was named after. For the 99 things this bible gets wrong, at least they have 1 that shows they know what Thomas is.
'Supposedly based on the Isle of Man'. Isle of Man resident here and I can confirm the Island of Sodor was based off the Isle of Man. Our bishop is known as the Bishop of Sodor & Mann.
@@ethandouro4334 There aren't any other islands around the Isle of Man. There is the Calf of Man just beyond the south west point of the island, but there aren't any other islands around Mann.
@@NitroIndigo Yes, you're right - actually Old Norse for "Southern Isles" (Sudroyar) which would be roughly the islands off Scotland (which were once ruled by Norway), and probably the Mull of Kintyre, too.
Well, the descriptions of Edward and Henry certainly explain a lot (they even lampshade the intention was to barely use them). The one that sounds kind of right is Henry being vain but out of insecurity, though it's ironically a characteristic they seldom use in the Hit era.
Ehh, what are you gonna do, right? I’d rather take a while making something great rather than rush a video out. The first season of the Analyzation Express felt like a step back in terms of production for me. Not saying I hated doing it, but I much prefer making something like THIS.
Nah man your wrong we quality not quantity id rather watch a five second masterpiece that took a month to make than a 40 minute drag that was done in an hour
It's a shame that 2008 marked not only the last full model production using the original style in The Great Discovery but also the losses of Mitton and Carlin
You know what’s really upsetting? The educational concepts laid out in this bible and show aren’t bad, the problem is how they’re spelled out and simplified, like kids couldn’t recognize the name of a location on Sodor unless it was repeated like Knapford Station, Gordon’s Hill, Lord Callan’s Castle, or the color and number of an engine when it’s obvious on screen. Kids are much smarter than you think! It feels like one of those beginner books that they make you read in kindergarten with simplified short sentences, but worse. Surprisingly, “boomed” isn’t on the vocab list, I know that was a word they LOVED using whenever Sir Topham Hatt was on screen. It makes me wonder if they actually tested this new format with kids?
If talking trains were real, I can honestly imagine the engines hating the show after Hit Entertainment bought the TV series. That also means, many of them never resumed liking the series after Mattel bought it and brought fans to write the show because of how their proper personalities are never revived and have their personalities from the Hit Era, it's so obvious that they were still applying that goddamn bible. It's so sad. Some engines probably do like the Brennersaince, but many of them don't. This is my speculation. Too bad talking trains don't exist.
@@thegamingwolfkingofthemult37 I sometimes wonder what the American locomotives would think about all of this. I could only imagine the steam locomotives and even some diesels reactions to the reboot. I don't think even they would like it.
Man I got huge internet historian vibes from this video, and I absolutely loved it. Wouldn't mind seeing more of these types of videos. Maybe reacting to episodes or fan stories?
The Hit era wasn’t perfect, but it was a decent attempt at Thomas in the modern era. I had fond memories watching the Hit seasons, and there are some good episodes here and there.
I say with little exaggeration that this is one of the most genuinely upsetting things I have ever read. It's nearly flawless and almost surgical destruction and decimation of a world that a man spent his entire creative life carefully building - and turning it into a dumb, unintelligent product to be bought and sold by corporations.
Oooooof. yeah. I'm getting feelings that this was written by Americans who were trying to bringing back the pre-school crowd by using a lot of the characterizations of Shining Time DESPITE the show having been off the air for what, 5-10 years at that point? A lot of the character descriptions sound like American pre-school type shit and considering the bible keeps going back and forth between what I can assume is US and Canadian/UK spelling, maybe it was? I sort of having that keeping given how Edward and Gorden, the two 'adult' characters are treated because shitty pre-school shows are notorious for writing adult characters horribly.
Don't inherently blame the Americans for this. HiT was a British company after all. Then again, this is the kind of pandering stuff that had hindered western cartoons from reaching their full potential from the 70s 'till the 90s. Also after reading this entire comment, you may be right about the part of Americans writing this.
18:44 Anyone find it odd that to the right of the CGI map used in the “Welcome to The Island Of Sodor” intro, the rails just end at a set of buffers near one of said map’s 3 lighthouses?
I think using Thomas and friends to teach navigation is really clever, why? Well, a train has to go to a certain place and the rails take it there and when you go somewhere you have to go a certain way or you will get lost.
Remember kids, when you see Thomas, be sure to s--t you're f--king pants HAD ME DYING Also, Some of the lines are abysmal, SINCE WHEN WAS EDWARD FRAIL AND VUNURABLE And Where the heck did they get to say that every engine is the same age, NUH UH The team should have done more research
Edward should be on the main line. James should be a branchline engine. Edward is larger than James. The FR K2 was huge, while James is based on a 0-6-0 ffrom what is now LMS.
23:34 - I don’t like Kaikii that much, once I got the breakdown train but the crane was broken off the flatbed. Also the Departing now Thomas I got was really fragile and one time I broke it. Totally Thomas town is much better
What exactly do you mean by “Season 7 was hastily put together in the US”? Doesn’t it require MORE time to compose all new music on top of a new narrator for a season instead of just reusing the same track?
I think what they mean is that, in the US, season 7 had not been released prior to the season 8 format change, and since Thomas & Friends had generally been a year behind in the US prior to season 8, this meant that US version of season 7 was effectively rushed to release, and folded into season 8. Heck, I don't think we even got DVDs of season 7 until season 9 was releasing.
That stupid book doomed a beloved show that could still be going today instead of that not Thomas reboot…and I swear the one who wrote the book had to be drunk because they so didn’t watch nor read what came before (or proofread)
Hmm...there's not MUCH more to talk about that hasn't already been said. Though, I do have another video in the same style, and ANOTHER other video coming out sometime soonish!
Ok so the classic series bible is the Old Testament, Hit is the New Testament and the railway series is the Ten Commandments. Sorry. I go to a catholic school so I know this stuff.
I don't think those camp showers were for making money, I think they were punishment for being stupid and trying to do with a tent what should be done with a Caravan or Campervan.
Probably because it's the new beginnings season. Usually for dark periods of any good show, their first season into the downhill is smoother until they're really given the chance to mess up
The fact they call these heavy death machines children in a playground and the way the way they explain how the engines look and act pisses me off so much
At least they mentioned that Edward and Henry were both crucial to the series, even if they were easy to overlook.
I gotta give them credit for at least recognizing that.
Too bad their characterization was butchered so badly that it's been how they were since the mid 2000's in the official show.
Edward I’d say after the hit era was kinda done well in the nitrogen era outside of seaosn 14 and the brenner era did him well and Henry had some bright spots in the hit and brenner era I’d say
Personally, I think the Hit style guide really shows just how much that era was missing the main thing I think makes Thomas so great: respect. Awdry respected his audience and his subject matter deeply, Alcroft respected her audience and mostly respected her subject matter, Brenner respected the subject matter and his audience as much as Mattel let him, and their eras with the IP were good because of it. Between all the grammatical mistakes, the way they dumbed down the characters, and the way that they were constantly comparing the characters to children that the people writing this style guide had no respect for the IP or their audience, and were just using Thomas's popularity to make a kids show for kids, and nothing else.
What's IP
HIT Entertainment is just so cynical these days.
@@fanofeverything30465 IP stands for Intellectual Property.
@@fanofeverything30465 It's short for "intellectual property". Basically the Thomas brand, all the stuff that Hit and later Mattel bought the rights to.
@@BreakingNuyt Thank you 😊
I think the "fabulously narcissistic" description for James is the most accurate thing when it comes to character traits
If I remember correctly, Godred the Impailer was a Wilbert Awdry invention that he put in the Island of Sodor book. He's also the King that Gordred the engine was named after. For the 99 things this bible gets wrong, at least they have 1 that shows they know what Thomas is.
'Supposedly based on the Isle of Man'. Isle of Man resident here and I can confirm the Island of Sodor was based off the Isle of Man. Our bishop is known as the Bishop of Sodor & Mann.
Ain't the minor Isles around Man also called "Sudrian"?
@@ethandouro4334 There aren't any other islands around the Isle of Man.
There is the Calf of Man just beyond the south west point of the island, but there aren't any other islands around Mann.
Apparently Sodor is an old name for the small, western British Isles? Is this true?
@@NitroIndigo en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocese_of_Sodor_and_Man
@@NitroIndigo Yes, you're right - actually Old Norse for "Southern Isles" (Sudroyar) which would be roughly the islands off Scotland (which were once ruled by Norway), and probably the Mull of Kintyre, too.
“On Sodor, trains are powered by steam”
Every 60 seconds, a minute passes in Africa.
17:41 the private collectors bidding on Toby
Well, the descriptions of Edward and Henry certainly explain a lot (they even lampshade the intention was to barely use them). The one that sounds kind of right is Henry being vain but out of insecurity, though it's ironically a characteristic they seldom use in the Hit era.
sad to see youtube is punishing you, because "YOU'RE TAKING SO LONG. WE NEED QUANTITY NOT QUALITY!" it's sad to see the algorithm do that...
Ehh, what are you gonna do, right? I’d rather take a while making something great rather than rush a video out. The first season of the Analyzation Express felt like a step back in terms of production for me.
Not saying I hated doing it, but I much prefer making something like THIS.
@@PlayDontPause But hey, there's an old railroad saying here in my country that reads out like this: "But hey, those bones of the workplace"
basically "Part of the job"
Nah man your wrong we quality not quantity id rather watch a five second masterpiece that took a month to make than a 40 minute drag that was done in an hour
@@Thatspuremental do you know what " " means?
6:02: the "Well there's nothing more recognizable than, literally the same place," is peak comedy
8:55 Meanwhile, Topham in the original series lets Henry rest in the shed because he knows he's sick and in no condition to work.
David Mitton wouldn’t have been pleased with the direction the series went after season seven
It's a shame that 2008 marked not only the last full model production using the original style in The Great Discovery but also the losses of Mitton and Carlin
the steam team's age:
thomas-109
edward-128
henry-105
gordon-102
james-112
percy-104
toby-110
emily-129
Is Gordon canonically 2 years older than The Flying Scotsman?
@@chukowiley3823 yep
@@marklincovet509 any reason why?
@chuko Wiley gordon is the prototype of the entire a1/a3 class in the railway series so he's bound to be older than scotsman
So Gordon’s the youngest engine in the original steam team. Explains his personality
21:12 bro, this NEEDS to become a meme !!!
You don't know how many times i quote this in my daily life !!!
Put it on a shirt-
James is red,
Wheels are round,
The engines are like children in a playground.
James are Red,
Thomas is Blue,
A ballistic missile has been dispatched to their exact coordinates,
And Edward's too.
@@PlayDontPause ballslicking missile 😩
17:28 I knackered myself reading that fast 😂
You think YOU were tired? I spent almost a whole day making that segment /s.
@@PlayDontPause I deeply apologise for that 😂😂😂
I laughed all the way through this, and the editing is top-notch.
12:23 You kid, but the Marklin Engine's rusted husk appears in Blue Mountain Mystery. He's canonically dead.
Idk why but I love how Luke always calls seasons, ''series''. He is the only one I know that does that and its charming
It's probably because he's British where as most Thomas fan channels are American
here in the UK we usually use series rather than seasons
Well he is british
You know what’s really upsetting? The educational concepts laid out in this bible and show aren’t bad, the problem is how they’re spelled out and simplified, like kids couldn’t recognize the name of a location on Sodor unless it was repeated like Knapford Station, Gordon’s Hill, Lord Callan’s Castle, or the color and number of an engine when it’s obvious on screen. Kids are much smarter than you think! It feels like one of those beginner books that they make you read in kindergarten with simplified short sentences, but worse. Surprisingly, “boomed” isn’t on the vocab list, I know that was a word they LOVED using whenever Sir Topham Hatt was on screen. It makes me wonder if they actually tested this new format with kids?
If talking trains were real, I can honestly imagine the engines hating the show after Hit Entertainment bought the TV series. That also means, many of them never resumed liking the series after Mattel bought it and brought fans to write the show because of how their proper personalities are never revived and have their personalities from the Hit Era, it's so obvious that they were still applying that goddamn bible. It's so sad.
Some engines probably do like the Brennersaince, but many of them don't.
This is my speculation. Too bad talking trains don't exist.
I mean, Thomas & Friends canonically exists as a show in the Railway Series universe, so...
@@NitroIndigo That would be something I would love to see, The RWS versions debating about the show.
@@thegamingwolfkingofthemult37 I sometimes wonder what the American locomotives would think about all of this. I could only imagine the steam locomotives and even some diesels reactions to the reboot. I don't think even they would like it.
3:50 Luke goes foreign 😂
12:23 Oh yeah by the washdown area I remember seeing in Thomas' Day Off Season 9.
When I saw the Thumbnail I was like “oh boy here we go again” I already hear from the usual Bloke Luke and now here I go again.
Eyyy fellow Luke watcher!
I watch Usual Bloke Luke too
Man I got huge internet historian vibes from this video, and I absolutely loved it. Wouldn't mind seeing more of these types of videos. Maybe reacting to episodes or fan stories?
7:51 this joke made me laugh like a maniac for like a solid 5 minutes
"Please do not shit pant"
That's not a promise I can make
19:19 I think I'M about to shit myself, that's so funny.
The Hit era wasn’t perfect, but it was a decent attempt at Thomas in the modern era. I had fond memories watching the Hit seasons, and there are some good episodes here and there.
As a child of the late 2000s and early 2010s, this was decent at best, but quite babyish at worst.
@@sericsmith5770but to be fair, this mostly aired on Sprout and PBS kids, and I feel like it fit pretty well being the intention
Big fan of your channel and Usual Bloke Luke, love seeing you guys collab to tear…whatever tf this bible is apart. Cheers, lads!
I say with little exaggeration that this is one of the most genuinely upsetting things I have ever read. It's nearly flawless and almost surgical destruction and decimation of a world that a man spent his entire creative life carefully building - and turning it into a dumb, unintelligent product to be bought and sold by corporations.
Oooooof. yeah. I'm getting feelings that this was written by Americans who were trying to bringing back the pre-school crowd by using a lot of the characterizations of Shining Time DESPITE the show having been off the air for what, 5-10 years at that point? A lot of the character descriptions sound like American pre-school type shit and considering the bible keeps going back and forth between what I can assume is US and Canadian/UK spelling, maybe it was? I sort of having that keeping given how Edward and Gorden, the two 'adult' characters are treated because shitty pre-school shows are notorious for writing adult characters horribly.
Don't inherently blame the Americans for this. HiT was a British company after all. Then again, this is the kind of pandering stuff that had hindered western cartoons from reaching their full potential from the 70s 'till the 90s.
Also after reading this entire comment, you may be right about the part of Americans writing this.
12:02 Gordon Goes Foreign (Russia) XD
That just came to my mind on my latest rewatch. And gosh! I laughed for at least 5 minutes for that.
if we ever figure out time travel you know what I’m gonna do?
I’m gonna volunteer to write the hit era bible and completely change it for the better.
That is the top priority. We can worry about "saving the world" later. First, we gotta fix Thomas' middle seasons!
@@PlayDontPauseand onwards.
17:25 *Gordon Goes Foreign derailment be like*
13:30 PDP and Luke casually go off topic for 2 minutes
That's what we dooooooo.
@@PlayDontPause relatable,
I also just gotta say that Mario kart video you did with Austin had me turn into a kettle too
When you said “i will eat you” I lost it
18:44 Anyone find it odd that to the right of the CGI map used in the “Welcome to The Island Of Sodor” intro, the rails just end at a set of buffers near one of said map’s 3 lighthouses?
thomas youtubers: use my coupon code to save 10 to 12% off your order
me: welp, time to stock pile some coupon codes
so far, i've got enough to save me 96% off my order
If you can get 100% off your order...I think you win.
@@PlayDontPause nice
I think using Thomas and friends to teach navigation is really clever, why? Well, a train has to go to a certain place and the rails take it there and when you go somewhere you have to go a certain way or you will get lost.
Ain't no way they described these engines as *children*
Percy is the only one who i could see as one and even then, when written well not really.
I just noticed the thumbnail of TomSka's Thomas video making a cameo.
Saw Thomas Theorist's video already, but gosh, that Bible is so terrible! 😫
Remember kids, when you see Thomas, be sure to s--t you're f--king pants HAD ME DYING
Also, Some of the lines are abysmal, SINCE WHEN WAS EDWARD FRAIL AND VUNURABLE
And Where the heck did they get to say that every engine is the same age, NUH UH
The team should have done more research
Edward should be on the main line.
James should be a branchline engine.
Edward is larger than James.
The FR K2 was huge, while James is based on a 0-6-0 ffrom what is now LMS.
Reasons why I consider seasons 6 and 7 to be in between new and classic series each
The only Thomas Bible I know is The Island of Sodor Its People, History, and Railways by the Rev. W. Awdry.
What the song at the beginning of the video? It’s been driving me crazy !!
I think it's called "Detective James" or "James' Jazzy Theme". Something like that.
@@PlayDontPause thank you sooo much I really like your videos btw
I'm surprised you didn't mention there being two Diesels
Not based on the isle of man, it's inspired by many different railways, and sodor is between the isle of man and berrow-in-furness
I remembered this one since i was my age.
5:48 the Hagsfiend hit the coach.
I'm guessing this Thomas bible has the 4 engines of the apocalypse.
12:51. Oh, baby..
23:34 - I don’t like Kaikii that much, once I got the breakdown train but the crane was broken off the flatbed. Also the Departing now Thomas I got was really fragile and one time I broke it. Totally Thomas town is much better
It’s been 1,000 years!
It was gonna be 998, but I wanted to add a little extra polish lol. Now that I know HOW to make one of these, I can only improve the pace!
That intro was fire!!! 🔥🔥🔥
Thank you! I was very proud of it once it was done!
@@PlayDontPause You did an amazing Job! You deserve to be proud! 👍😁.
Emily being bossy, and skarleoy being childish
This whole thing... Especially at 12:37, seems like it's written by a poorly configured AI 💀 Wow...
10:28 and Salty and Skarloey.
Also Rheneas
I may or may not be the 69th like 👏🗿
In all seriousness this video is absolutely incredible! It’s pretty interesting to see this show bible :)
HiT era is peak Thomas
Hell no it is not
Fantastic. Am I missing the Kaikki link?
What exactly do you mean by “Season 7 was hastily put together in the US”?
Doesn’t it require MORE time to compose all new music on top of a new narrator for a season instead of just reusing the same track?
I think what they mean is that, in the US, season 7 had not been released prior to the season 8 format change, and since Thomas & Friends had generally been a year behind in the US prior to season 8, this meant that US version of season 7 was effectively rushed to release, and folded into season 8. Heck, I don't think we even got DVDs of season 7 until season 9 was releasing.
That stupid book doomed a beloved show that could still be going today instead of that not Thomas reboot…and I swear the one who wrote the book had to be drunk because they so didn’t watch nor read what came before (or proofread)
Could you make part two to this video
Hmm...there's not MUCH more to talk about that hasn't already been said. Though, I do have another video in the same style, and ANOTHER other video coming out sometime soonish!
1:39 - Audio issue “Now tha- just” I’m not making fun of you, for making a mistake. We all make mistakes. I was just pointing out a little mistake
Good ear, but that’s actually not an audio error. That was just Luke stopping mid sentence to think about what he wanted to say.
@@PlayDontPause Oh. But it still sounds a bit off
Though I can relate to him, because I do that too.
Ok so the classic series bible is the Old Testament, Hit is the New Testament and the railway series is the Ten Commandments. Sorry. I go to a catholic school so I know this stuff.
That’s a funny metaphor
Why does one of the commentators sound like Ted Robbins?
A crack in the track😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thomas is older than Gordon
20:14 - I know why: Plot Coveniance
HARVEY IS NOT BROWN?
I don't think those camp showers were for making money, I think they were punishment for being stupid and trying to do with a tent what should be done with a Caravan or Campervan.
12:02 *poop poop poop*
The "For the love of f**k at 18:16 is where I broke. It was so out of nowhere and I love it!
I heard shapes and I was like 'yeah...no.' lol
@@PlayDontPauseI mean, how tf can Thomas & Friends is meant to teach shapes? It don't make sense!
@@seancaffrey8153 This ain't no Mr Maker
Does anyone know who exactly wrote this garbage. The script for Thomas.
Abi Grant most likely.
@@joshuaW5621 What makes you say that?
@@supermariof0521 I think I recall someone saying that when the Unlucky Tug was tweeting his thoughts on this Thomas bible.
@@joshuaW5621 I see
How was the script garbage?
judging by the poor writing I think the writers need educating then the audience they’re trying to appeal to.
Good video
my man can't pronounce "analogous"
I’ve never seen that word before this video, and I’ll probably never see it again lol.
@@PlayDontPause Just say "amongus" but as "anologus"
Season 8 is the only good season from the HIT era….
Ong s8 is better
Probably because it's the new beginnings season. Usually for dark periods of any good show, their first season into the downhill is smoother until they're really given the chance to mess up
Finally, a new video
Only took…a month…whoops lol.
There is a VERY special place in Hell for people who make these scummy corporate mandate checklists.
Personally, HiT Entertainment made so many choices which made David Mitton and crew have no creativity
it's british, ofc it's verbose
This bible is the most incorrect bible I’ve ever seen.
The amount of typos in this is not even funny.
Mf why u driving lamborghini centro
I dunno, why aren't you driving the lamborghini centro lol.
@@PlayDontPauseHow much did you pay for that? Oh wait, it’s free since you took that picture from Google
High quality Thomas rant video 👌