I understand that I only have 3/10 air tech trees in war thunder so I am expecting some comments about it. I do however understand most of the planes in the tech trees and tried my best to elaborate on them. Is this a good excuse though? Definitely not but I really wanted to make this video, and had a lot of yap to get out. So I do take full responsibility if I get things wrong.
It seems like for props every nation is S tier cuz every is unique and valid. Problems start from tier 5 to tier 7 for niche nations cuz they don't have great jets there which makes getting to their great top-tiers hard.
I agree, the only nation with truly sucky props is probably Sweden, but it’s very easy to make props work simply because there’s a lot of new players and people are easier to hit due to props being slower than jets
@aceofthunder9868 Swedish props do have an issue of having bad climb rate, which is problematic in AirRB. However if someone gets into their planes because of their tanks, then they will do well in air superiority role cuz people don't really climb with their planes in GroundRB.
I couldn't disagree with the germany placement more, it has a very good selection of props, and yes when you get to top tier it becomes a lot of copy and paste but they also improve on the plane usually, and then you have the typhoon which is just a beast
Other top tier nations over more and have better euro fighters. Britain has a gripen (worse than the other 2 in game) the best ef2 (LWS + pirate) future Aus aircraft (Growler f18A+ w/ Asraam, c and F) and Indian aircraft. Italy has the middle ground ef2 (pirate) mig 29 (without r73 RIP) and gripen along with the possibility to get a gripen E (Brazil gutted by Brazil amx premium.
I really want decompression at top tier and in my experience the f14 IRIAF isn’t as bad as people say but it is fun to see it be slapped around by the kfir c10 spam Image your first jet being the f14 or c10…
I disagree on some parts though. France is an easy S-Tier Tech Tree, especially in the higher ranks. The Mirage 2000C S4, S5 and the Mirage 4000 are probably the best Dogfighters right now. Yes, the Mirage 4000 lacks severly in the Radar Missile Department, but it can carry up to 8 Magic 2 Missiles in return and it dances around every yet that gets closer than 10km. My favorite tool to put down these anoying F-14A IRIAF players. And the Rafale and the Mirage 2000-5F are also insanely good thanks to the hilariously high maneuverability of the MICA-EM and the dedicated CAS Aircraft get access to the AASM 250 Hammer Series of Glide Bombs/Missiles and on top of that even access to the PGM-Series. These aircraft slap insanely hard in the CAS Role. Not as broken as the Brimstones, but the Hammer are at the end of the day 500lb bombs with a rocket Motor attached to them and the SBU 64 variant are IR guided and fire and forget.
You have a point but I feel like France lacks some range in bvr scenarios. And the mirage 4k is a beast in a dogfight on low fuel, but when it’s loaded it’s not as strong. I’m also not too well versed in CAS
@ I don‘t play a lot of ground RB these days, because CAS is in my eyes far too strong by now at toptier. How can it be that I only have to score 1-3 kills in ground RB (which is easy, even for a bad tanker like me) and in return I can fly around in a jet and then I can farm kills like candy. I‘ve got 200 or 300 Nukes in my WT Career, and none of them have been by earning tank kills, all through CAS. I get CAS games with 10+ kills on a daily basis. Ground RB needs desperately a CAS free mode. As for the Mirage 4K performance in air rb: I take depending on the spawn 40-50% of fuel, which results in roughly 10-12 minutes of fuel when the initial furball forms. That’s enough fuel to kill up to 8 targets and to get back to base. CAS in the 4K doesn‘t make Sense as it is at BR 12.7 in ground RB, which is the same as the Rafale and Mirage 2000D-RMV, and these aircraft have way better loadout options. But hey, at least it can carry up to Four AS-30L Nord ATGMs and a TPod.
This guy hasnt touched the tree, he goes by here say on the majority of his videos as well. He is trying, ill give him that, and his vids are very easy to listen to, but he is not a reliable source at all due to a lack of firsthand gameplay exp/knowledge. Also to his first reply: France encourages rat gameplay and the MICA is perfect for that if youve been training yourself to be a rat in M2Ks. "Lacks some range in BVR" ☝️🤓 F-16AM is there if you want BVR fights. I will continue to turn radar off and sling Magic 2s at the spamraamers returning to airfield to restock their dopamine delivery devices.
Good video, don’t be too harsh on yourself, your overall knowledge is good. I for example don’t need to own the Eurofighter, F15E or the rafale to know that they are great planes. And especially the Eurofighter, that thing is op. I don’t feel like the game was ready for that addition, but it’s gaijin overall, they are only good at releasing overpriced premiums, they failed to balance the game for years and it seems like this trend will never end. Thumbs up 👍🏻
UK is one of the best nations to grind in air, you got the Spitfires, prop Hornet, Gripen, Eurofighter and very good possible future additions like the Austrialian F/A-18, Indian Rafale, SU-30MKI and Hal Tejas
its a good tier list but i have to disagree with Britain, at rank 8 both the Tornado F.3 and Harrier GR.7 are extremely good for their BRs, the Tornado gets 4 Skyflash superTEMP (Aim 7F/M on steroids) and 4 9Ls at 12.0, and the GR.7 gets FOUR 9Ms at just 12.3. You still have the Swift F.7 at rank 5 as a pretty good subsonic, and the FGR.2 and FG.1 at rank 7 have much stronger engines compared to other Phantoms. The only tier I would say is lacking is 6 but with some skill you can make it work I suppose.
It definitely needs a buff. The mirage 2k c4/5 is at the same br with better flight model and better missiles (magic 2s). I don't see a reason why it can recieve the pl5eii or something similar (pl9, pl8b, pl12)
@@shikikanaz4624 its not even that. its the fact that it carries a terrible bomb loadout despite being "top tier". 2 cruise missiles, laser guided bombs, and at most 2 glide bombs. take a look for yourself. its absolutely dogshit and i use the f16a MLU because it has 6 mavericks and is supersonic
You didn't say anything about f3h-2, but I have heard that it's a real demon after br change (though I didn't try it yet) I really liked grinding Sweden, I didn't think "when this torture end" but "and that's all?" It has the best CAS 8.3-9.0, j34 hunter is so chill to play, others are just ok Viggens are good (not at 12-13 ofc), I almost got k/d 2 on ja37c and it's world record for me
me 262 may be hard at first but after 10 games you will know how to handle the plane and the slow guns and overall its pretty forgiving. so i kinda disagree with that
Eh on paper it’s not great but in the average air rb game it can work well I agree, it’s a combination of new players learning jets and also the low br
@@aceofthunder9868 thats simply not true and shows your lack of knowledge also a jet doesnt need to be OP having options in your nation still provides value
@@BradLee-y5h eh true but gripen is not the greatest rn in top tier, low missile count and worse engine at high altitude. I agree with vehicles not needing to be OP but besides the euro fighter and the gripen that’s basically the good planes at rank 8. Tornados and harrier is meh
I understand that I only have 3/10 air tech trees in war thunder so I am expecting some comments about it. I do however understand most of the planes in the tech trees and tried my best to elaborate on them. Is this a good excuse though? Definitely not but I really wanted to make this video, and had a lot of yap to get out. So I do take full responsibility if I get things wrong.
boutta listen to this whole video at work if I like it your ass is getting a subscriber
If only Gaijin put that much effort in France ground...
it has best tank at moment
Great video
Keep up good work bro!!
I appreciate the support man!
It seems like for props every nation is S tier cuz every is unique and valid. Problems start from tier 5 to tier 7 for niche nations cuz they don't have great jets there which makes getting to their great top-tiers hard.
I agree, the only nation with truly sucky props is probably Sweden, but it’s very easy to make props work simply because there’s a lot of new players and people are easier to hit due to props being slower than jets
@aceofthunder9868 Swedish props do have an issue of having bad climb rate, which is problematic in AirRB. However if someone gets into their planes because of their tanks, then they will do well in air superiority role cuz people don't really climb with their planes in GroundRB.
I couldn't disagree with the germany placement more, it has a very good selection of props, and yes when you get to top tier it becomes a lot of copy and paste but they also improve on the plane usually, and then you have the typhoon which is just a beast
Props are definitely amazing and I do feel like I ranked it a bit low. High tiers were copy and paste yeah but they weren’t too shabby though
Other top tier nations over more and have better euro fighters. Britain has a gripen (worse than the other 2 in game) the best ef2 (LWS + pirate) future Aus aircraft (Growler f18A+ w/ Asraam, c and F) and Indian aircraft. Italy has the middle ground ef2 (pirate) mig 29 (without r73 RIP) and gripen along with the possibility to get a gripen E (Brazil gutted by Brazil amx premium.
You put Britain wayy to low. It has excellent props and some of the best early jets and top tier is much better than Germany
I really want decompression at top tier and in my experience the f14 IRIAF isn’t as bad as people say but it is fun to see it be slapped around by the kfir c10 spam
Image your first jet being the f14 or c10…
Top tier is getting more decompressed with 14.0 and hopefully more in the future
I disagree on some parts though. France is an easy S-Tier Tech Tree, especially in the higher ranks. The Mirage 2000C S4, S5 and the Mirage 4000 are probably the best Dogfighters right now. Yes, the Mirage 4000 lacks severly in the Radar Missile Department, but it can carry up to 8 Magic 2 Missiles in return and it dances around every yet that gets closer than 10km. My favorite tool to put down these anoying F-14A IRIAF players. And the Rafale and the Mirage 2000-5F are also insanely good thanks to the hilariously high maneuverability of the MICA-EM and the dedicated CAS Aircraft get access to the AASM 250 Hammer Series of Glide Bombs/Missiles and on top of that even access to the PGM-Series. These aircraft slap insanely hard in the CAS Role. Not as broken as the Brimstones, but the Hammer are at the end of the day 500lb bombs with a rocket Motor attached to them and the SBU 64 variant are IR guided and fire and forget.
You have a point but I feel like France lacks some range in bvr scenarios. And the mirage 4k is a beast in a dogfight on low fuel, but when it’s loaded it’s not as strong. I’m also not too well versed in CAS
@ I don‘t play a lot of ground RB these days, because CAS is in my eyes far too strong by now at toptier. How can it be that I only have to score 1-3 kills in ground RB (which is easy, even for a bad tanker like me) and in return I can fly around in a jet and then I can farm kills like candy. I‘ve got 200 or 300 Nukes in my WT Career, and none of them have been by earning tank kills, all through CAS. I get CAS games with 10+ kills on a daily basis. Ground RB needs desperately a CAS free mode.
As for the Mirage 4K performance in air rb: I take depending on the spawn 40-50% of fuel, which results in roughly 10-12 minutes of fuel when the initial furball forms. That’s enough fuel to kill up to 8 targets and to get back to base.
CAS in the 4K doesn‘t make Sense as it is at BR 12.7 in ground RB, which is the same as the Rafale and Mirage 2000D-RMV, and these aircraft have way better loadout options. But hey, at least it can carry up to Four AS-30L Nord ATGMs and a TPod.
@@aceofthunder9868TBF they have a F16 with MAWS. I only play it in SIM where MAWS is actually useful. Very unique and useful
This guy hasnt touched the tree, he goes by here say on the majority of his videos as well. He is trying, ill give him that, and his vids are very easy to listen to, but he is not a reliable source at all due to a lack of firsthand gameplay exp/knowledge.
Also to his first reply: France encourages rat gameplay and the MICA is perfect for that if youve been training yourself to be a rat in M2Ks. "Lacks some range in BVR" ☝️🤓 F-16AM is there if you want BVR fights. I will continue to turn radar off and sling Magic 2s at the spamraamers returning to airfield to restock their dopamine delivery devices.
Mirage 2k is probably the 4th/5th best dogfighter even with micas
Good video, don’t be too harsh on yourself, your overall knowledge is good. I for example don’t need to own the Eurofighter, F15E or the rafale to know that they are great planes. And especially the Eurofighter, that thing is op. I don’t feel like the game was ready for that addition, but it’s gaijin overall, they are only good at releasing overpriced premiums, they failed to balance the game for years and it seems like this trend will never end. Thumbs up 👍🏻
Nice video!
UK is one of the best nations to grind in air, you got the Spitfires, prop Hornet, Gripen, Eurofighter and very good possible future additions like the Austrialian F/A-18, Indian Rafale, SU-30MKI and Hal Tejas
Yeah future additions, as of right now though top tier is only gripes and eurofighter basically. The props are amazing and subsonic are mid
@@aceofthunder9868tornado f.3 early is good ,the seaharrier isint that bad, and the gr.7 is a blast to play
The lightning is still good to you are faster then.everthing else you fight againts even 104 because your wing rip speed is higher then theres
Good job bro ❤
its a good tier list but i have to disagree with Britain, at rank 8 both the Tornado F.3 and Harrier GR.7 are extremely good for their BRs, the Tornado gets 4 Skyflash superTEMP (Aim 7F/M on steroids) and 4 9Ls at 12.0, and the GR.7 gets FOUR 9Ms at just 12.3. You still have the Swift F.7 at rank 5 as a pretty good subsonic, and the FGR.2 and FG.1 at rank 7 have much stronger engines compared to other Phantoms. The only tier I would say is lacking is 6 but with some skill you can make it work I suppose.
Yeah I do agree that I ranked Britain a bit too low, u have some good points and I do agree Britain should be higher
14:03 there is a reason I dubbed it GunSHit-23😅
Fr
The jh7a is not worth the grind. You get 2 kh29s at top tier. The f5e at 11.0 has 4 agm65s and the f16a MLU has 6 which usually work better
True, but we are talking about air rb, not ground CAS
@@aceofthunder9868 even worse. you get 4 ir missiles without irccm and youre subsonic.
@@itsericzhou I mean the flight model is still ok, yeah it isn't fast but the IR missiles are pretty decent, only problem is it is way too high br
It definitely needs a buff. The mirage 2k c4/5 is at the same br with better flight model and better missiles (magic 2s). I don't see a reason why it can recieve the pl5eii or something similar (pl9, pl8b, pl12)
@@shikikanaz4624 its not even that. its the fact that it carries a terrible bomb loadout despite being "top tier". 2 cruise missiles, laser guided bombs, and at most 2 glide bombs. take a look for yourself. its absolutely dogshit and i use the f16a MLU because it has 6 mavericks and is supersonic
600k SL....christmas crates got you huh😂
@@TheDanishGuy101 nope, I just don’t have premium
You didn't say anything about f3h-2, but I have heard that it's a real demon after br change (though I didn't try it yet)
I really liked grinding Sweden, I didn't think "when this torture end" but "and that's all?" It has the best CAS 8.3-9.0, j34 hunter is so chill to play, others are just ok
Viggens are good (not at 12-13 ofc), I almost got k/d 2 on ja37c and it's world record for me
Well Sweden is going to be alright for people who have already flown other tech trees but for new players it’s a challenge
hey man, just wanna know what ur player level roughly was when u got ur first rank 8 US jet? assuming u already had the f5c at that point in time
Yeah I did, I was level 74
@@aceofthunder9868 oh i see , thanks
me 262 may be hard at first but after 10 games you will know how to handle the plane and the slow guns and overall its pretty forgiving. so i kinda disagree with that
Eh on paper it’s not great but in the average air rb game it can work well I agree, it’s a combination of new players learning jets and also the low br
@@aceofthunder9868 yup on paper its not great. but mastering this jet is very rewarding, if u know how to use it.
worth to grind for Britain is literally the Highest it could be bro do u not see that rank 8 roster?????
Gripes and euro fighter, are the two top top tier planes there, and the gripen is below average rn on top tier air rb
@@aceofthunder9868 thats simply not true and shows your lack of knowledge also a jet doesnt need to be OP having options in your nation still provides value
@@BradLee-y5h eh true but gripen is not the greatest rn in top tier, low missile count and worse engine at high altitude. I agree with vehicles not needing to be OP but besides the euro fighter and the gripen that’s basically the good planes at rank 8. Tornados and harrier is meh
Italy rank 8 is better which says a lot.
The g91 isn’t unique to Germany it’s an Italian vehicle.
Yeah that’s my mistake, I knew but I said the wrong thing, the r3 and r4 are only in Germany tho
@ no like fiat made the g91 irl, the g91 is an export, were you trying to say they were only in the German tech tree or that Germany made them?
@@NoSleepTill72 Only in German tech tree, thats my bad sorry for bad explanation
l tier list bro sweden is s tier
Not in 2025 bro
sweden is the worst tech tree right now what are you talking about
Sweden is horrible in air, the top tier especially.
@ are u dumb best tanks and gripen
Don't call USSR Russia
Just fully grind all the tech tree before you giving a comment, it will be different
The bomber and strike aircraft lines aren’t very important
@@user-cn9jx1ct5kthey are if you are f2p.
Yeah it allows me to give a more personal statement cuz of actual experience
Bro ur so wrong Britain will soon be the best
Key word soon
@@aceofthunder9868 still I don’t think gripen and EF2000 deserves that kinda of tier also considering we have some of the best props
Yeah I feel like I ranked it too low
So many L's in the video, little nerd
Cry harder