There’s some thing about losing, getting killed, getting possessed by the devil, and then losing again that really makes you reassess your goals in life.
@@KnightsRealm98 I do admit I like him dispanding the decepticons but I would have liked to see him return take back his fusion canon and lead what remains of his army
@@KnightsRealm98 I would like to add that if Megatron said "Now I REMEMBER the true meaning of oppression" it would've been better as I think he had forgotten what it felt like after millennia of war .
@@siddhantkamra7779I think the ""I now know the the true meaning" works becuse now he got yo experience a form of opression leauges beyond what he knew during his time as a slave. Think it like this, even as a mining slave, its still by your autonomy that your arm moves to mine that rock and stone, its still you deciding if you put the right or left foot first oit and such things. what he experienced with Unicron had even that taken away. Now he could not even move as much as a finger or eyebrow without his masters aproval.
@@KnightsRealm98specially when we didn't know what happen to him in RID 2015, ¿Where is he? ¿Is he safe? ¿Is he still in Is exile or living in peace at last?
Kinda crazy how he went from "we shall break free from goverment oppression" to " I shall make an undead army out of all those who have died on cybertron"
@@KnightsRealm98specially when that power Is the Blood of a Robot Devil 😅 😅 but that's True, even the Best of us can fall under enough pressure or Uncontrolled Power.
Well to be fair, in the War for Cybertron saga, Megatron went from "we will fight against an oppressive government caste system" to "I will rule the entirety of space and time with an iron fist by any means necessary, to include literally turning my own people into living batteries for my space ship."
They managed to combine the charisma, power-hunger, intelligence and intimidation of megatron into this version and combine that with being voiced by the OG voice actor and you have one of the best versions of the Decepticon warlord.
@@aquilesgarciaperez5918It fit the games perfectly. As for the show, Frank’s more refined voice works there. Especially since he sounds much different than his usual Megatron voice.
The moment when he bowed to Arcee in the Autobot base makes Megatron, in my view, a true gentleman. Also I find it funny as he spared her 3 times : -1.When he asked Soundwave to escort her off the ship ; -2.When he captured her in his hand during the Orion Pax thing ; -3.When he sent Smokescreen into a pyramid ; *STOP RIGHT THERE!* I am not one of those weirdos who makes unbiased ships. I know he almost killed her in episode 5 with a shot of dark energon blast. It's just, it feels that Arcee survived most of the encounters with Megatron without really trying to escape.
Perhaps it is a subtle indication he has a form of respect or commends how she is not afraid to stand up to him even in spite of how she is outclassed by him in literally every regard. She may be very agile and acrobatic in a fight, but he can still keep up with her in that regard, her small size doesn't help her against him, and he's leagues more durable and stronger than her to the point that the two of them fighting is unfair. In spite of that, she still gives it her all when facing him, that's gotta earn some level of respect
its more likely just plot armor than anything else. You can't really kill autobots since there aren't many, let alone the only female one without first replacing her with another.
He also promised to give bumblebee the antidote for an infected optimus in return that bee brings megatron back. This is as he put it "Gladiator's honor"
It's interesting how the writers of the Aligned continuity were able to make Megatron both a tragic, and "evil for the sake of evil" type villain. From "humble" beginning as a slave, toiling away as first a miner, then a gladiator, under a despondent functionalist state, seeking freedom for the people, only to eventually devolve into a shining example of the classic saying "power corrupts". Becoming a tyrant just as bad, if not worse than the old regime. Committing crimes unpardonable without the faintest hint of mercy, or remorse.
@sunsetschannel5439 well g1 and animated didn't think they were heros but TFP didn't make excuses for the actions he took narracisists think they are the good guys he is no hero and isn't trying to be the autobots aren't an excuse for why he has power and his actions aren't intent on rewriting and brainwashing his enemies
I feel that Megatron's actions in the end can be explained and understood by looking at his obsession with Optimus. Early on Megatron made it clear that Optimus was his opponent and only his and wanted to fight him at his best. This can be seen as he helped BumbleBee to make a cure for the Cybonic Plague infecting Optimus, and after being revived stopped StarScream from killing Optimus and didn't finish him off when he had the chance. Even after Optimus reverted back to Orion Pax for a time, Megatron still did not kill him and even allowed him to be a Deception, even if it was only to use his knowledge of the Iacon Relics, it can be seen as Megatron possibly having some underlying regret and/or respect for Optimus. Megatron would only end up attempting to kill Orion when he goes against Megatron and that there would be no turning back at that point. This is all to say that Megatron wanted to kill Optimus when they were both at their best and was perhaps content with dying as long as it was Optimus who killed him, this can be seen when he questioned Unicron about why he hadn't joined the All Spark. However, he wasn't killed by Optimus, he was killed by Bumblebee, someone he looked down on and constantly referred to as 'the Scout'. This probably shattered Megatron's perception of himself and would only further shatter as he was brought back only to be used as a tool by Unicron, where he had even less power than he did when he was miner under the cast system because even then he had control over his own body. In conclusion, Megatron built himself and Optimus up to be more than they were and when that perception came crashing down he had lost his obsession that had kept him going for so long and had accepted defeat with the understanding that he could no longer have outcome he had been obsessing over.
Can't say I see that, honestly, but this is a well-reasoned analysis. I might have an easier time accepting explanations like this if they were more...obviously set up (like Zuko honoring his deal with Aang or refusing to kill Zhao setting up his future redemption)
@@KnightsRealm98 To that, it could be argued that Megatron resisting Unicrons temptation to kill Optimus during the season 1 finale and the start of season 2 when Optimus reverted to Orion as an "obvious" build up to the ending. But, really, I feel that the comparison with Zuko is perhaps what is the underlying problem, because I see Megatron's "redemption" as more Darth Vader esq. The thinking here is that Optimus believes that "Every sentient being deserves a chance for redemption", but if either of them kill each other it would prove that his belief is wrong, and since even Optimus was beginning to see Megatron as an exception to this he was falling into the same trap Megatron fell into. But in the end with Megatron accepting defeat it proves that Optimus's belief was correct and that everything he fought for had not been in vain. So from how I see it, it may not make perfect sense for Megatron narratively, it does for Optimus.
@@razorcrest9363 Even Vader's was more telegraphed, especially when taking the whole franchise into consideration. Honestly, a lot of your arguments are the audience writing for the writers, which is not a bad thing, but it really isn't much more than headcanon. Believe me, I've done my own fair share of filling in the gaps with some of my favorite movies and while it helps me enjoy them more, until they're confirmed I don't treat them as canon (e.g., Padme's death. I headcanon that Palpatine drained her to save Vader, but Lucas has never canonized that).
@@KnightsRealm98 I don't really look through the transformers fandom all that much though, so if my argument sounds like "the audience writing for the writers" that's just coincidence. But I will agree that perhaps one or two additional Megatron and Optimus scenes would've helped a lot to make the ending have a bigger pay off. But from what I can remember watching TFP the ending doesn't just come out of left field, just somewhat rushed I guess.
@@razorcrest9363 To note, I don't want to come across as confrontational. I like discussion, even if we disagree (frankly, I welcome disagreement because I hate echo chambers. Just want to make sure that all discussion is civil). But "audience writing for the writer" is a fallacy wherein a defender of a certain piece of media inserts their headcanon as a defense of said piece of media. It's not a fandom community thing. Just wanted to clear that up, haha. Second, it's the rushed nature that bothers me. That's why I love Armada Megatron's redemption, because it's seeded throughout the Unicron Battles, and even earlier with Starscream's entire story. And third, I'm a sucker for a good, Irredeemable bad guy. I think redemption arcs and sympathetic villains have become very oversaturated recently, so turning this most delectable of evil characters into a remorseful one just feels off to me. That's 100% a me thing, but that's also why I make these videos, to express my opinions, both popular and controversial. Just to reiterate, your opinions are 100% welcome here (especially as well-reasoned as they are), but I don't wholly agree with them. Which is fine. Diversity of thought is important in discourse.
Honestly, I find it satisfying that he never gets his final duel with Optimus. Instead he gets killed by someone he thought didn’t matter. It shows that his ego is just that, an ego, and that he is not the Demi-god he considers himself.
Exactly. It was not meant to be a redemption. It was megatron stepping away. A dead bot walking again who just didn't want anything to do with this anymore. Doesn't justify or redeem him. But a fitting end for his character
“YOU POSSESS NOTHING! IT IS *I* THAT HOLDS WHO YOU ARE, AND *EVER WILL BE!”* You can see it in Megatron’s optics right here that he figured something out. All he wanted was peace and freedom, but with the roll that Unicron was on, it didn’t sound like Megatron wasn’t going to get that. Also: “Megatron may *hear* you, but he canNOT HELP YOU! FOR HE IS ENDURING *ETERNAL SUFFERING!”* I think in that moment, whatever had snapped in him was “fixed” if you will (because that kind of trauma doesn’t exactly go away). No one wants to endure the kind of pain where you feel like you’re getting ripped apart over and over again for a fragging eternity. Because if you think about it, if you *really* think about it, there is no end to that threat. No ceasing of torture. Even for Megatron, that thought is terrifying. I think he reflected a lot in his moments alone with Unicron, and that reflection maybe appealed to whatever “humanity” he had left in him. The “humanity” he suppressed for so many years. Because even Ratchet knew Megatron had limits: “Megatron may be evil, but he’s no ghoul…” But ultimately, while he is the perfect villain… *None can escape the writing…*
That moment when people originally thought that Transformers was a kids' show until they realized that characters in the show actually bleed, get decapitated, actually die and stay dead.
I'd like to highlight one of the books, which I forgot the name of. The Quintessons are the reason that Megatron and so many others were put under a caste system. Yet, when Megatron finally met the people literally responsible for his horrible way of life, he wasn't upset or anything. He just wanted to hurt Optimus. This is also the book where Optimus says something along the lines of: "Shut up about that lobster!"
I think one of the things about Megatron is that at the start he was fighting to have a voice and his true turning point the moment he couldn't turn back was when he took Bumblebee's voice.
They definitely bit off more than Hasbro was willing to foot the bill for, especially in season 2. Honestly, we need a TF show with a decent budget and passionate writers again, because the pickings are slim post-Prime.
you could really tell the team working on it had a huge passion for it, just not enough funding, you can really tell the difference when looking at season 3's quality compared to the first 2 seasons.
As I watch this nice video, it brings to light the unmatched caliber of Megatron as a villain. While characters like Ozai, Zuko, Darth Vader, Thanos and Darkseid have their merits, none quite capture the essence of villainy as Megatron does. His unmatched cunning and sheer intimidation are unparalleled. But it's not just about the menace; his charisma, amplified by his colossal size, sets him apart from other iconic villains. With an age and potential for ultimate power that's been executed to perfection, he stands as a testament to what a true antagonist should embody. The nod to G1, especially with the original voice actor returning for Megatron, was a masterstroke, blending nostalgia with modern media. This Megatron, along with his predecessors like IDW all the way up to the G1 version, truly sets a gold standard for villains, proving that he's truly one of a kind, just like Optimus Prime.
I also love how he speaks the truth when you expect him to lie. Because there is a lot of moments when he could lie, but choose bold truth. Like when he was recruiting Ratchet in 3 season. "There are no guarantees that I won't kill you, and you know that any promises from a decepticon are worthless anyway"
TFP Megatron was so goddamn awesome, they always knew not to make him seem like an incompetent villain, the second he was on screen was the moment shit got serious, they somehow made him threatening even when he was in a damn coma.
I swear I love Megatron so much. His backstory makes me understand and kinda empathize him in that way. To me he is a tragedy because he was once an advocate for oppressed people. As someone from an oppressed minority I needed a hero like that. He’s become someone that reminds me of my own abusers and that’s what makes him so scary to me. From someone I’d look up to and project as a dad to me, to an abuser that’s too familiar for me to ever trust or be comfortable around him. A part of me loves redemption stories for him so much. Because now I have that person to look up to again.
This version of and megatron and the 2007 version where my personal favorites due to them giving a more depth into his backstory and treating him like a threat not to mention the designs
@@justsomeguy8149 I get what you're saying, but what you're saying is dumb. *The Bay version* of Megatron, which is how they phrased it, isn't a threat. If they were saying he was a threat specifically in the 07 film, they should have said "That film did a good job of treating him like a threat" not "That version of Megatron was a threat"
man. i love how you are keeping the memory of the cybertron games alive it just warms my heart. edit : same with transformers prime, both of em were my childhood and i grew up loving then, my love for transformers is unexplainable
Megatron may had noble intentions at spark, but notice how Ratchet describes him more of a power-hungry, egoistical and vengeful maniac, who was only concerned about what he says, what he thinks, what he does. He will serve no one, he will bow to one (unless mockingly)... unfortunately it devolved into listening to no one, even his comrades who always had best intentions at their spark, like Orion Pax, who was his best friend, as close as brother. Megatron was maybe a mentor to Orion, but Orion was more like an guardian angel, who protected him from his descent into villainy. Unfortunately Megatron's psyche became so paranoid, so twisted, that once Orion was named the next Prime instead of him right in front of him, it was not that hard for him to feel betrayed and leave Pax behind, abandoning perhaps the last ounce of conscience, becoming finally a "prisoner of his own twisted delusions", symbolized by his noble features turning more evil, his blue turning red and getting sharp teeth in his mouth.
Personally I disagree about Megatron's change of heart at the end of the series, though I do think it could have been handled better. Even simply replacing "Because I now *know* the true meaning of oppression" with something like "Because I now *remember* the true meaning of oppression" would have went a long way in my opinion.
Last-minute redemptions are a personal pet peeve of mine, because they just feel like a cheap imitation of Darth Vader. And my issue is this guy was *relishing* in his awful deeds in the last episode. It's just a massive, incredibly rushed heel-turn. Plus--in my humble opinion--redeeming villains is incredibly overdone lately. Not that I hate it in *concept*, but I'd honestly like to just see a villain *die* again. But that's purely a me thing
I’d argue it wasn’t redemption, but simply self realization. Throughout his life, Megatron was never truly powerless. Even as D-16, he always had a means for fighting back against his oppressors. But that changed when he was made a puppet of Unicron. For the first time in his life, he was truly powerless, he was truly oppressed. The experience made him realize that he inflicted the same kind of oppression on bots far weaker than him who, like himself with Unicron, had no way of fighting back. Thus did he disband the Decepticons, refusing to enact any more evil, yet also refusing to make amends for his actions, simply wanting to be left alone.
Could you analyse Predaking from this series? I love both his character and design and I wonder what you think of the choice to turn a combiner into a single character…
Prime Megatron is Frank Welker _finally_ being allowed to stretch his legs with that iconic G1 voice, much like (whether you think the game is _good_ or not) John St. John in Duke Nukem Forever vs. the original Duke Nukem 3D. Both got the opportunities to explore further ranges of those voices than the original media allowed for, and both benefited from it.
This was a great introspection of buckethead himself. Despite it not being a show, are you familiar with the idw comic more than meets the eye? They have handled megs so called redemption arc really well and it was a interesting take.
I've read some of MTMTE, and while there's things I love (Thundercracker for one), there's others I struggle with (never been a fan of greyer Optimuses, honestly).
IDW megatrons "redemption" was Basically handwaving all the evil He did Like people Just Focus on the origin Story where He already did evil stuff and ignore how much evil stuff He did in IDW Like He IS ON steroids doing evil stuff
From Megatron's time under Unicron's control in a few days it does seem out of character, yet in the fight despite Optimus battling the possessed war lord you can tell in Optimus's voice he wants to help this monster. Even after all he has done he offers a hand of an aliance but knowing Prime no doubt he would try to give his former friend and brother a chance to redeem himself. Megatron finally knew what it was like to be under true oppression being controlled with no will under the Chaos bringer, and when he was freed he realised there and then that he was wrong, the Decipticons fought for their freedom and justice, and he tainted their cause.
Another fantastic video. Tho i gotta say i dont really think Megatrons' actions were what you could call a redemption arc because we never saw the fallout of his change of opinion on opression - let alone whether or not his views towards organics have been reformed outside of that one kudos he gave to Raf for surviving this blast among several other problematic traits Megatron possesed throughout the show. I do understand how unbelievable such this change can be and I myself agree to an extent of what you said about it, though the best i can surmise is that we only saw very few portions of those days where Megatron was overtaken with Unicrons' spirit and thus don't know the full display of what he put megatron through and Megs himself through eons of tyranny had forgotten of the actual truth of his opression since Optimus himself said Megatron had lost his way. The few times he does bring up being a gladiator/lower class - he does so as a massive flex as if to empower himself which was definitely not the intent with that entire system. It definitely is a pretty shaky explaination. Another season where, maybe not a redemption arc, but a self-realization journey ala what Megatron in the comics went through when he became apart of the Lost Light crew. Either way the turn and the character of Megatron wouldve benefitted from even a short movie or a comic strip that went into detail about his mindset and what he did after he left. Someone made a headcanon where he overlooked Optimus Prime making that final dive into the very heart of Cybertron to rebirth the planet so selfishly that is also my headcanon lmao. Sidenote are you purposely calling Megatrons' change in the finale a heel turn as like a double meaning sorta thing, cause heel turn in wrestling terminology-where it originated from-means to turn into a bad guy. A babyface turn is when a bad guy turns into a good guy and it just confused me a lot lmfao.
Nah, I just meant it in terms of a literary device. The "last-minute heel-turn" is a trope where someone who was previously aligned a certain way seemingly out of nowhere becomes a different alignment. I'm not familiar with wrestling, so if that's the origin it's news to me.
@KnightsRealm98 Nah heel turn is specifically meant towards a good guy turning bad. I.e, Megatron himself before he read up on dark energon/space crack, probably. I'm a massive wrestling geek myself so the heel/face dynamic stuff is just sorta engraved into my brain with a chisel. But yeah: babyface = good guy, heel = badguy. Naturally Starscream is the biggest heel because of the stilettos he gave himself.
I will die on this hill TFP megatron is the best megatron on the BEST transformers piece of content all of the charcyers are written as they should be megatron isn’t playing second fiddle he’s a bad ass gladiator star scream is always planning and sometimes wins but megatron was written perfectly
@@Darth-vade123 thats right. This megatron really showed why he is leader. He is strong, intimidating, inteligent, scary and you can feel respect from him. Truly great Villain
_"Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons who balances might with cunning to repeatedly orchestrate schemes for his goals of conquest. Formerly known as the Kaon gladiator D-16, Megatron sought to shift a hierarchy balance within Cybertron-rallying up thousands of loyal troops to serve his cause. Formulating several schemes that conflict the Autobots, Megatron usually leaves the heroes with a narrow victory or an outright loss. With the resurrection of Unicron imminent, Megatron forms a truce with the Autobots to combat the Chaos Bringer-being completely honest that it will be temporary and that their dynamic will return to normal. To combat Optimus' Star Saber, Megatron forges his own-grafting his arm with that of a Prime's to be able to wield it. Forging the Omega Lock, Megatron intends on using to restore Cybertron to allow the masses to return-with the restoration granting him the leadership of the planet. To combat the Primus and Unicron dynamic of only dominion over one planet, Megatron also has the Lock almost convert Earth-with the effect of wiping out all organic-based life. After losing the lock, Megatron formulates an assault against the Autobot's base, leaving it in ruins and the Autobots disbanded. When Predaking reveals his sapience, Megatron concurs with his command staff that they are outnumbered by the Predacons, and terminates the Predacon pods with a scheme to frame the Autobots and enrage Predaking against them. Slain after almost utilizing the Omega Lock's power and finding himself trapped as a vessel for Unicron's goal of destruction, Megatron convinces him to approach Predaking under the pretense of loyalty-knowing that Predaking would attempt to destroy Megatron's body. Free from Unicron's control, Megatron dissolves the Decepticons-understanding the true meaning of oppression and thus losing the taste for conquest-before departing."_ ~ *TV Tropes' Magnificent Bastard Entry on Prime Megatron*
I don’t know man, I’m pretty much fine with Megatron giving up the Oppression at the end of Predicons Rising. Felt like a shocking twist in a good way, and not a bad way.
Honestly considering he has tainted his spark so much he is now effectively barred from the afterlife and with Unicorn taking his own body and keeping his soul as something to torture broke through the tyrant to the point he tried to commit suicide through Predaking. Probably he would have been satisfied living in his corpse than with Unicron again or him destroying Cybertron. Considering everything despite his new resurrection he has no choice to live in exile, well aware of what he has done and that should he die again his spark could no longer be reincarnated through the Allspark.
@@KnightsRealm98 He was probably my favourite in Prime for the Decepticons excluding Soundwave and Predaking. Honourable knight warrior who has bombs and a big laser cannon, plus that bond him and Skyquake had? Sign me up for that! Frankly, I like him so much that I am biased to giving minor history between him and an OC I had made. Mostly because the dude is cool enough that if I went and did writing involving said OC, Dreadwing would definitely be one earning more attention through that. Guy didn't get enough screentime (Nor did Breakdown, poor guy was going to be given a redemption arc and join the Autobots had budget problems not stopped that)
@@redalert923 I've never seen the Owl House, so I'm not really the guy for that. I do plan on doing some TF film videos, including Rise of the Beasts, eventually. As for Death, maybe. There are some Dreamworks things I'd like to discuss at some point
I totally agree with the Flopped “Redemption” Arc of Megatron and it needs to be Completely ReThought out. Even the Bestest of Shows have Flaws, Especially Transformers Prime. Or in other Words; TFP isn’t Perfect, but it is the Best Iteration of The Transformers Franchise.
I wouldn’t say that Megatron was redeemed at the end of the movie, but just that he decided to take his first step towards redemption, that’s why he left.
This was an Incredible Video for My All Time Favorite Version of Megatron and My Seventh Favorite Villain of All Time. Fred Tatasciore did a Phenomenal Performance Bringing Transformers The Align Continuity Version of Megatron to Life and I’am Always Going To Be Grateful that Frank Welker got a Chance to Prove Why he himself is The One and Only True Voice of Megatron.
Great video but you forgot one thing that shaped megatron. It might seem like minor detail but Megatron unlike other miners was born during day and he deemed sun beautiful and then he was forced underground to work in the mines set to never see sun again
2:55 Small note: The golden age actually ended when the rust plague started, the time leading up to the war was known as the age of rust. From the Covenant Of Primus, which is set in the Aligned continuity and came out after Prime ended thus is more creditable: "The Golden Age of Cybertron came to an abrupt conclusion when the colonies became infected with a Rust Plague. Possibly a deliberate attack by unknown parties, the plague was incredibly virulent and apparently incurable. Sentinel Zeta Prime and the council of thirteen on Cybertron made the heavy decision to destroy the Space bridge network for maximum quarantine, cutting off the colonies from Cybertron and abandoning them to their fate to prevent the plague from spreading to the homeworld. By rust they fell and to rust they came. The global optimism brought about by the space exploration and colony programs was irrevocably lost. The people of Cybertron felt they no longer had anything to strive for, and merely went through the motions of existence. This malaise only intensified when nameless bots began emerging from the Well of All Sparks en masse, just as they had during the Age of Wrath. The general consensus was that these new bots saw existence as too pointless to even bother choosing a name, or have things to look forward to. They merely went about their appointed role in life, no more or less. Sentinel Zeta Prime managed to hold on to power during the Age of Rust, but accomplished little else. The rest of his council was too gun-shy and lacked the drive to begin new social programs or expeditions to reignite the people's spirit. The one exception was councilor Soundwave, who abandoned the council in disgust for their failures. The one growing "industry" on Cybertron during the age was gladiator combat, ruthless games of merciless combat and bloodsport arising from Kaon. Either vicariously or in the gladiator pit themselves, Cybertronians found themselves momentarily alive again as part of the ritual combat. It was in these games that a miner designated D-16 claimed the title of Megatronus, fallen of the Primes, before the exuberant crowds shortened his name to Megatron. Megatron was a visionary as well as a warrior, and began addressing his audience of fans about the possibility of social change, even revolution. Indeed, Megatron ultimately brought about the end of the Age of Rust, but not how he expected. Megatron and his allies received an audience before Sentinel and the council to address their concerns, but the council sidestepped Megatron and presented the title of Prime to one of his less extreme advisors, the archivist Orion Pax. As Pax rose to become Optimus Prime, Megatron rejected his former friend and began open warfare in the streets of Cybertron. These two leaders and their factions, the Autobots and Decepticons, began the Great War that shook the rust from Cybertron's society, for good or ill."
This is one of those cases where the shakiness of the Aligned Continuity comes into place, because in the show, Ratchet specifically says that Orion met Megatronus in the twilight years of the Golden Age. So that's what I was referencing. Side note, I adore this continuity, so all the inconsistencies and retcons are immensely irritating to me. Show says one thing, games say another, novels contradict both, then the encyclopedia says something completely out of the blue like "Optimus is a reincarnation of the 13th Prime". Gives me a fraggin' headache.
@@KnightsRealm98 Yeah, fair, though I'd still say the Covenant has prescedance. But yeah, that whole Optimus being the reincarnation of the 13th Prime... Goooood that was dumb as hell
@@tracytron7162 Reincarnation is a complicated plot device and I have rarely seen it executed well (pretty much just Avatar, if I'm being honest). It just doesn't fit in Transformers in my opinion.
@@KnightsRealm98 Agreed, the one case I could really see it fitting into Transformers is if Rodimus Prime/Hot Rod was the reincarnation of the 13th Prime, since that would fit well with his whole "Chosen one" spiel as well as make him feel more like he deserves the title. Like I'm not one of those people who hate Hot Rod or say he killed Optimus or anything, but I definitely don't think he was really ready or even appropriate for the title of Prime.
@@tracytron7162 I have a lot of thoughts on Rodimus, because I personally love that character. Expect a video on him late November, because I've got to get through my Halloween themed videos first.
For me personally, I enjoy the unicron trilogy version of megatron simply because of nostalgia and the fact that version is a giant ham and SO over the top.
I had issues with narrative decisions made in TFP. With anything Hasrbo owns , we all know the deal - decisions made to entertain children of a specific age and to go for dramatic pizazz than logical follow through. Megatron could have ambushed Bee and destroyed him AND Raf. Making Unicron the Earths core and allowing a so-so vocal performance and weak ambitions for plot when hes supposed to be a god. Soundwave could have tracked down the kids and presented them to Megatron to use as bait way back in episode 6, not season 3. Speaking of... Soundwave was so OP they deliberately kept him in the background. Certainly very cool, hes my fave character of all time, but Soundwave had all the means to act on intel and frequently didnt. Mostly cuz Starscream or someone else was getting the spotlight. The decision to keep Knock Out alive no matter what cuz he was a studio fave, but offer no character development on screen. And lots more. BUTTTT.... This is still one of my favorite Transformers series. Better than any of the Bay films, imo, and better than anythinf else but Beast Wars, which i argue is a bit better overall. THIS is the incarnation of these charcaters i love most. This is the Cybertronian lore i love most. The art direction, animation, the fact that the character designs dont have noses, and yes, to agree with thi video, the BEST Megatron ever to grace the screen. I would have LOVED to see THIS Megatron on the big screen. THIS is a Megatron i can fully believe has been drawing out a war for thousands of years - fueled by hatred, armed with strategy, and amused by vengeance. Frank Welker did an absolutely phenomenal job. Immense passion shines through every delivered line, AND through his silence by the animators - like in Rock Bottom when he said nothing and just stared at Starscream. Incredibly menacing. His presense is so loud in this series that his season finale death, his eye going dark, was a punch in the heart where i dunno if im mourning or celebrating. Just. There are so many things to say. Thank you for making this video to say them too!
My dream is a Transformers show with a big budget and zero studio interference so that the darker side of the war can be shown. Take Prime and early IDW as a template and just run with it.
I think that the ending to Prime was good, as the enslavement perhaps awakened his original goal of freedom for all, rather than peace through tyranny.
reading the books on transformers prime does give better insight on megatron, and every character as a whole. Especially on megatron's sudden change of heart As the show really only has rachet to tell the past, and the books help prove he's a biased story teller
Imagine being a prisoner in your own body and being able to do absolutely nothing about it. One of megatrons biggest qualities is he'd rather die than be controlled by anyone. The first time unicrons threat came around, he atleast had a chance and did something about it. Pay attention to how unicron literally tortured him. Maybe he actually understood how much he had strayed from his original ideals. Maybe when he died, he was reminded of his former self. The ending was a bit rushed, sure but it was justified.
No matter what you say what is your opinion what is you explanation you can never sway my decision megatron is my favorite character in the entire tf universe.
Personally, TFP is below animated for me, but what would really take the cake would be a IDW Inspired series, that would be a perfect villain and redemption arc. Also, I just really need to say it: TFP Megatron’s design isn’t the best one, it’s stealth bomber.
Fair opinions. Animated's my second favorite show (though the two are very close). Personally, I'd love a less-stylized version of Animated Megs' design, give the copter some love.
@@FordoAtonal Oooh, hot take. Jokes aside, Corey Burton is an absolute legend, no matter the role. But Frank's Megatron and Peter's Prime will always be *the* Megs and Prime for me. Like Kevin Conroy's Batman or Robert Englund's Freddy. But different people have different takes, and that's 100% fine.
@@KnightsRealm98 that’s understandable, can’t really see anyone else being Optimus Prime. It just takes a certain amount of firmness and yet sincerity to make that gentle voice. I always found it funny how the original Shockwave ended up voices Megatron, imagined what it would be like to take over the role of someone you worked with before.
That ending of Transformers Prime with Megatron not wanting to be evil anymore struck me as incredibly lame. Actions have consequences and criminals (especially war criminals) can't just walk away from all the awful things they did as if it were a game that they're no longer interested in playing. The other Decepticons (especially Soundwave and Shockwave) won't allow it, either. They've committed everything to their cause and they won't stand by and just let bygones be bygones after all is said and done. If fact, in some continuities the most powerful Decepticons (some even rivaling Megatron) are employed in their Justice Division to hunt down and punish deserters. How do you think Megatron's desertion will play out?
Honestly disagree. While he definitely does deserve punishment I'm fine with him just leaving never to be seen again. He's essentially a dead bot walking. He was killed and put through torture in what seemed like eternal hell by unicron. It's fair enough he wanted to walk away from everything when he was brought back. Optimus always wanted megatron to change. While that doesn't mean he deserves to just walk free it was still a great moment. And besides there were more pressing matters to take care of with the all spark and it would have taken away from the focus. He does deserve punishment obviously but his change of heart makes sense
Can you pls do a analysis on me, the Soundwave clone, not a FALIURE!, a Mercenary, and finally a Godfather of own Maifa at same time and I may hate Megatron but he has good character I admit that
That'll be part 2 of my complete Transformers Retrospective, which I need to schedule. But I definitely have specific characters from Beast Wars I'd like to analyze
@@KnightsRealm98 I just really wanna see a character analysis on him cause i can’t find a proper one on TH-cam, unless the video on how he was butchered in sidge counts
I just figured something out everything has a spiritual tie in think megatron was a warrior right he was on the right path as well as Optimus Now think the devil was on Gods side in the beginning but jealousy plays a big role in wat goes on in this whole thibg
Gotta disagree, being possessed by Satan for any amount of time would definitely change my mind that what I’ve been doing is wrong. Also proves Optimus right, all beings are capable of change. And speaking from experience, people who used to love evil and later choose to do what is good and right are always the greatest people to be redeemed, all that capacity to do evil is now put into doing good instead.
I think this video would be good if some words were switched around: "Megatron of Transformers Prime: The Perfect Villain" Not telling you to do so, just a humble suggestion that would be in-line with your channel's theme.
@KnightsRealm98 to me they aren't. For one, if the Cybertron games are in the same continuity as Transformers Prime, then why does Megatron need to aquire Dark Energon from space if he already has it in him when he was on board the Energon station.
@@jaredfetzer7041 Headcanon doesn't change actual canon. As flawed as the concept is, that changes nothing. And believe me, the Aligned Continuity is a mess (because Rescue Bots is apparently canon to it as well...somehow), but it's still connected. I actually have a video planned sometime in the near future that breaks down all the inconsistencies of the AC.
ummmm Oppression thousands of years ago that grew hatred that blinded him . Oppression behind a glass not in controle a prisoner in his own body is a different experience a new experience so I didnt hate that conclusion . I wish they put more time in it and explore it more . rather than I just feel bad now.
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There’s some thing about losing, getting killed, getting possessed by the devil, and then losing again that really makes you reassess your goals in life.
Fair, but I don't find it narratively satisfying. Plus, I'm a sucker for bad-to-the-bone villains. Especially ones with a dark and tragic backstory.
@@KnightsRealm98 I do admit I like him dispanding the decepticons but I would have liked to see him return take back his fusion canon and lead what remains of his army
@@KnightsRealm98 I would like to add that if Megatron said "Now I REMEMBER the true meaning of oppression" it would've been better as I think he had forgotten what it felt like after millennia of war .
@@siddhantkamra7779I think the ""I now know the the true meaning" works becuse now he got yo experience a form of opression leauges beyond what he knew during his time as a slave.
Think it like this, even as a mining slave, its still by your autonomy that your arm moves to mine that rock and stone, its still you deciding if you put the right or left foot first oit and such things. what he experienced with Unicron had even that taken away. Now he could not even move as much as a finger or eyebrow without his masters aproval.
@@KnightsRealm98specially when we didn't know what happen to him in RID 2015, ¿Where is he? ¿Is he safe? ¿Is he still in Is exile or living in peace at last?
Kinda crazy how he went from "we shall break free from goverment oppression" to " I shall make an undead army out of all those who have died on cybertron"
That's actually something I love, because it shows just how much power can corrupt even the most well-intentioned of people.
@@KnightsRealm98specially when that power Is the Blood of a Robot Devil 😅 😅 but that's True, even the Best of us can fall under enough pressure or Uncontrolled Power.
Millions of nonstop war can a person’s perspective…..or cybertron in this case.
Don't do Dark Energon.
Well to be fair, in the War for Cybertron saga, Megatron went from "we will fight against an oppressive government caste system" to "I will rule the entirety of space and time with an iron fist by any means necessary, to include literally turning my own people into living batteries for my space ship."
They managed to combine the charisma, power-hunger, intelligence and intimidation of megatron into this version and combine that with being voiced by the OG voice actor and you have one of the best versions of the Decepticon warlord.
But i think the voice he had in the war and Fall of cybertron games would fit better.
@@aquilesgarciaperez5918It fit the games perfectly. As for the show, Frank’s more refined voice works there. Especially since he sounds much different than his usual Megatron voice.
Let's agree on this: This Megatron is one of the DEFINITIVE versions of the Deception Leader, ready to lead his forces to TRANSFORM AND RISE UP!
I don't know about you but for me Transformers Prime is by far the best Transformers series ever made.
It's a toss-up between Prime and Animated for me. My ideal show would be a fusion of those two.
@@KnightsRealm98Yeah, I understand 😂
@@Giannis21comicsto me it's TFP hands down no disrespect to animated megatron but Megatron in TFP is straight up the goat
@@Darth-vade123 I agree 👍 Animated Megatron is more like an elegant bully while Prime Megatron is a once gladiator now tyrant guy.
The best were Beast Wars, Prime, and G1 in my opinion
The moment when he bowed to Arcee in the Autobot base makes Megatron, in my view, a true gentleman.
Also I find it funny as he spared her 3 times :
-1.When he asked Soundwave to escort her off the ship ;
-2.When he captured her in his hand during the Orion Pax thing ;
-3.When he sent Smokescreen into a pyramid ;
*STOP RIGHT THERE!*
I am not one of those weirdos who makes unbiased ships. I know he almost killed her in episode 5 with a shot of dark energon blast.
It's just, it feels that Arcee survived most of the encounters with Megatron without really trying to escape.
Perhaps it is a subtle indication he has a form of respect or commends how she is not afraid to stand up to him even in spite of how she is outclassed by him in literally every regard. She may be very agile and acrobatic in a fight, but he can still keep up with her in that regard, her small size doesn't help her against him, and he's leagues more durable and stronger than her to the point that the two of them fighting is unfair. In spite of that, she still gives it her all when facing him, that's gotta earn some level of respect
its more likely just plot armor than anything else. You can't really kill autobots since there aren't many, let alone the only female one without first replacing her with another.
@@Madlad000 I think that really makes sense.
He also promised to give bumblebee the antidote for an infected optimus in return that bee brings megatron back. This is as he put it "Gladiator's honor"
A lot of it has to do with Frank Welker giving his best performance as Megatron to this version of him
So much depth and inflection in this show
Easily Frank's best performance, and that's saying a lot
There is so much to like about this version of megatron and i can't find it to hate him he's so well written
It's interesting how the writers of the Aligned continuity were able to make Megatron both a tragic, and "evil for the sake of evil" type villain. From "humble" beginning as a slave, toiling away as first a miner, then a gladiator, under a despondent functionalist state, seeking freedom for the people, only to eventually devolve into a shining example of the classic saying "power corrupts". Becoming a tyrant just as bad, if not worse than the old regime. Committing crimes unpardonable without the faintest hint of mercy, or remorse.
he's tragic because he is a pure evil villain. because he could've been so much more
They reslly did him justice its sad to see that no other megatron in tv and movies have matched him i hope knightverse megatron will be unstoppable
Animated Megs is certainly close, and I am a sucker for Armada Megs, but Prime Megs is *LEAGUES* above all of them.
@sunsetschannel5439 he doesn't pretend to be what he isn't
@sunsetschannel5439 well g1 and animated didn't think they were heros but TFP didn't make excuses for the actions he took narracisists think they are the good guys he is no hero and isn't trying to be the autobots aren't an excuse for why he has power and his actions aren't intent on rewriting and brainwashing his enemies
@@KnightsRealm98 indeed animated megatron is the only one who is even close to be side by side with TFP megatron
@sunsetschannel5439almost makes me want an amv of him with the song biggering
I feel that Megatron's actions in the end can be explained and understood by looking at his obsession with Optimus. Early on Megatron made it clear that Optimus was his opponent and only his and wanted to fight him at his best. This can be seen as he helped BumbleBee to make a cure for the Cybonic Plague infecting Optimus, and after being revived stopped StarScream from killing Optimus and didn't finish him off when he had the chance. Even after Optimus reverted back to Orion Pax for a time, Megatron still did not kill him and even allowed him to be a Deception, even if it was only to use his knowledge of the Iacon Relics, it can be seen as Megatron possibly having some underlying regret and/or respect for Optimus. Megatron would only end up attempting to kill Orion when he goes against Megatron and that there would be no turning back at that point.
This is all to say that Megatron wanted to kill Optimus when they were both at their best and was perhaps content with dying as long as it was Optimus who killed him, this can be seen when he questioned Unicron about why he hadn't joined the All Spark. However, he wasn't killed by Optimus, he was killed by Bumblebee, someone he looked down on and constantly referred to as 'the Scout'. This probably shattered Megatron's perception of himself and would only further shatter as he was brought back only to be used as a tool by Unicron, where he had even less power than he did when he was miner under the cast system because even then he had control over his own body.
In conclusion, Megatron built himself and Optimus up to be more than they were and when that perception came crashing down he had lost his obsession that had kept him going for so long and had accepted defeat with the understanding that he could no longer have outcome he had been obsessing over.
Can't say I see that, honestly, but this is a well-reasoned analysis. I might have an easier time accepting explanations like this if they were more...obviously set up (like Zuko honoring his deal with Aang or refusing to kill Zhao setting up his future redemption)
@@KnightsRealm98 To that, it could be argued that Megatron resisting Unicrons temptation to kill Optimus during the season 1 finale and the start of season 2 when Optimus reverted to Orion as an "obvious" build up to the ending. But, really, I feel that the comparison with Zuko is perhaps what is the underlying problem, because I see Megatron's "redemption" as more Darth Vader esq. The thinking here is that Optimus believes that "Every sentient being deserves a chance for redemption", but if either of them kill each other it would prove that his belief is wrong, and since even Optimus was beginning to see Megatron as an exception to this he was falling into the same trap Megatron fell into. But in the end with Megatron accepting defeat it proves that Optimus's belief was correct and that everything he fought for had not been in vain. So from how I see it, it may not make perfect sense for Megatron narratively, it does for Optimus.
@@razorcrest9363 Even Vader's was more telegraphed, especially when taking the whole franchise into consideration. Honestly, a lot of your arguments are the audience writing for the writers, which is not a bad thing, but it really isn't much more than headcanon. Believe me, I've done my own fair share of filling in the gaps with some of my favorite movies and while it helps me enjoy them more, until they're confirmed I don't treat them as canon (e.g., Padme's death. I headcanon that Palpatine drained her to save Vader, but Lucas has never canonized that).
@@KnightsRealm98 I don't really look through the transformers fandom all that much though, so if my argument sounds like "the audience writing for the writers" that's just coincidence. But I will agree that perhaps one or two additional Megatron and Optimus scenes would've helped a lot to make the ending have a bigger pay off. But from what I can remember watching TFP the ending doesn't just come out of left field, just somewhat rushed I guess.
@@razorcrest9363 To note, I don't want to come across as confrontational. I like discussion, even if we disagree (frankly, I welcome disagreement because I hate echo chambers. Just want to make sure that all discussion is civil). But "audience writing for the writer" is a fallacy wherein a defender of a certain piece of media inserts their headcanon as a defense of said piece of media. It's not a fandom community thing. Just wanted to clear that up, haha.
Second, it's the rushed nature that bothers me. That's why I love Armada Megatron's redemption, because it's seeded throughout the Unicron Battles, and even earlier with Starscream's entire story.
And third, I'm a sucker for a good, Irredeemable bad guy. I think redemption arcs and sympathetic villains have become very oversaturated recently, so turning this most delectable of evil characters into a remorseful one just feels off to me. That's 100% a me thing, but that's also why I make these videos, to express my opinions, both popular and controversial.
Just to reiterate, your opinions are 100% welcome here (especially as well-reasoned as they are), but I don't wholly agree with them. Which is fine. Diversity of thought is important in discourse.
I like how he dies.
No speech, no emotional reveals, no sorries, just shock, trying to process what happened and going dark
As do I. I just wish Optimus did it instead, because I'm a sucker for big duels between main characters.
Honestly, I find it satisfying that he never gets his final duel with Optimus. Instead he gets killed by someone he thought didn’t matter. It shows that his ego is just that, an ego, and that he is not the Demi-god he considers himself.
@@joesplace2960 YEEEEES!
"Everyone thinks they're the Hero of their own story."
- Handsome Jack from Borderlands 2.
Now *there's* a good villain.
@@KnightsRealm98You're damn right!
Predecons Rising wasn’t a Megatron redemption. There’s a difference between quitting doing evil and beginning to do good.
Exactly. It was not meant to be a redemption. It was megatron stepping away. A dead bot walking again who just didn't want anything to do with this anymore. Doesn't justify or redeem him. But a fitting end for his character
“YOU POSSESS NOTHING! IT IS *I* THAT HOLDS WHO YOU ARE, AND *EVER WILL BE!”*
You can see it in Megatron’s optics right here that he figured something out.
All he wanted was peace and freedom, but with the roll that Unicron was on, it didn’t sound like Megatron wasn’t going to get that.
Also: “Megatron may *hear* you, but he canNOT HELP YOU! FOR HE IS ENDURING *ETERNAL SUFFERING!”*
I think in that moment, whatever had snapped in him was “fixed” if you will (because that kind of trauma doesn’t exactly go away). No one wants to endure the kind of pain where you feel like you’re getting ripped apart over and over again for a fragging eternity. Because if you think about it, if you *really* think about it, there is no end to that threat. No ceasing of torture.
Even for Megatron, that thought is terrifying.
I think he reflected a lot in his moments alone with Unicron, and that reflection maybe appealed to whatever “humanity” he had left in him. The “humanity” he suppressed for so many years.
Because even Ratchet knew Megatron had limits: “Megatron may be evil, but he’s no ghoul…”
But ultimately, while he is the perfect villain…
*None can escape the writing…*
That moment when people originally thought that Transformers was a kids' show until they realized that characters in the show actually bleed, get decapitated, actually die and stay dead.
I mean it was for kids but kids at that age already know that kind of stuff.
I'd like to highlight one of the books, which I forgot the name of. The Quintessons are the reason that Megatron and so many others were put under a caste system. Yet, when Megatron finally met the people literally responsible for his horrible way of life, he wasn't upset or anything. He just wanted to hurt Optimus.
This is also the book where Optimus says something along the lines of: "Shut up about that lobster!"
I think one of the things about Megatron is that at the start he was fighting to have a voice and his true turning point the moment he couldn't turn back was when he took Bumblebee's voice.
I feel like Primes biggest flaw was that it's huge budget got in the way of them fully going through with their ideas. But what we got was still cool.
They definitely bit off more than Hasbro was willing to foot the bill for, especially in season 2. Honestly, we need a TF show with a decent budget and passionate writers again, because the pickings are slim post-Prime.
you could really tell the team working on it had a huge passion for it, just not enough funding, you can really tell the difference when looking at season 3's quality compared to the first 2 seasons.
@@BitrateBilly bingo
As I watch this nice video, it brings to light the unmatched caliber of Megatron as a villain. While characters like Ozai, Zuko, Darth Vader, Thanos and Darkseid have their merits, none quite capture the essence of villainy as Megatron does. His unmatched cunning and sheer intimidation are unparalleled. But it's not just about the menace; his charisma, amplified by his colossal size, sets him apart from other iconic villains. With an age and potential for ultimate power that's been executed to perfection, he stands as a testament to what a true antagonist should embody. The nod to G1, especially with the original voice actor returning for Megatron, was a masterstroke, blending nostalgia with modern media. This Megatron, along with his predecessors like IDW all the way up to the G1 version, truly sets a gold standard for villains, proving that he's truly one of a kind, just like Optimus Prime.
I also love how he speaks the truth when you expect him to lie. Because there is a lot of moments when he could lie, but choose bold truth. Like when he was recruiting Ratchet in 3 season. "There are no guarantees that I won't kill you, and you know that any promises from a decepticon are worthless anyway"
It adds so many layers to what could be a stereotypical villain, and I love it.
@@KnightsRealm98 yes😭
TFP Megatron was so goddamn awesome, they always knew not to make him seem like an incompetent villain, the second he was on screen was the moment shit got serious, they somehow made him threatening even when he was in a damn coma.
I swear I love Megatron so much. His backstory makes me understand and kinda empathize him in that way. To me he is a tragedy because he was once an advocate for oppressed people. As someone from an oppressed minority I needed a hero like that. He’s become someone that reminds me of my own abusers and that’s what makes him so scary to me. From someone I’d look up to and project as a dad to me, to an abuser that’s too familiar for me to ever trust or be comfortable around him.
A part of me loves redemption stories for him so much. Because now I have that person to look up to again.
This version of and megatron and the 2007 version where my personal favorites due to them giving a more depth into his backstory and treating him like a threat not to mention the designs
The Bay films treating Megatron like a threat? Don't make me laugh, they were AWFUL at making him feel like an actual threat
@@tracytron7162he said the 2007 VERSION, not all the movies
@@justsomeguy8149 They're the same thing
@@tracytron7162 I don't think you understand what I am saying. He was talking about Megatron from 2007 and that's IT.
@@justsomeguy8149 I get what you're saying, but what you're saying is dumb. *The Bay version* of Megatron, which is how they phrased it, isn't a threat. If they were saying he was a threat specifically in the 07 film, they should have said "That film did a good job of treating him like a threat" not "That version of Megatron was a threat"
"if speaking truth is a deception, then we're gladly guilty"
I heard the words “I have returned” and then suddenly had flashbacks
man. i love how you are keeping the memory of the cybertron games alive it just warms my heart.
edit : same with transformers prime, both of em were my childhood and i grew up loving then, my love for transformers is unexplainable
Those games are among my favorites of all time, only really beaten by things like The Witcher 3 or God of War
Megatron may had noble intentions at spark, but notice how Ratchet describes him more of a power-hungry, egoistical and vengeful maniac, who was only concerned about what he says, what he thinks, what he does. He will serve no one, he will bow to one (unless mockingly)... unfortunately it devolved into listening to no one, even his comrades who always had best intentions at their spark, like Orion Pax, who was his best friend, as close as brother.
Megatron was maybe a mentor to Orion, but Orion was more like an guardian angel, who protected him from his descent into villainy. Unfortunately Megatron's psyche became so paranoid, so twisted, that once Orion was named the next Prime instead of him right in front of him, it was not that hard for him to feel betrayed and leave Pax behind, abandoning perhaps the last ounce of conscience, becoming finally a "prisoner of his own twisted delusions", symbolized by his noble features turning more evil, his blue turning red and getting sharp teeth in his mouth.
The sad part is how many real freedom fighters end up like Megatron in real life.
Or were always like him the whole time.
@@JMObyx True
This is the Transformers version of "either you die as a hero or live long enough to become a villain"
Personally I disagree about Megatron's change of heart at the end of the series, though I do think it could have been handled better. Even simply replacing "Because I now *know* the true meaning of oppression" with something like "Because I now *remember* the true meaning of oppression" would have went a long way in my opinion.
Last-minute redemptions are a personal pet peeve of mine, because they just feel like a cheap imitation of Darth Vader. And my issue is this guy was *relishing* in his awful deeds in the last episode. It's just a massive, incredibly rushed heel-turn. Plus--in my humble opinion--redeeming villains is incredibly overdone lately. Not that I hate it in *concept*, but I'd honestly like to just see a villain *die* again. But that's purely a me thing
@@KnightsRealm98 That's fair
I’d argue it wasn’t redemption, but simply self realization. Throughout his life, Megatron was never truly powerless. Even as D-16, he always had a means for fighting back against his oppressors. But that changed when he was made a puppet of Unicron. For the first time in his life, he was truly powerless, he was truly oppressed. The experience made him realize that he inflicted the same kind of oppression on bots far weaker than him who, like himself with Unicron, had no way of fighting back. Thus did he disband the Decepticons, refusing to enact any more evil, yet also refusing to make amends for his actions, simply wanting to be left alone.
@jasperjavillo686 you described it perfectly. Thank you. I feel like many people mix this up with redemption. It wasn't meant to be one
@@jasperjavillo686Took the words right out of my mouth 😂
I prefer Animated Megatron, but Prime is great. I also believe it to be Frank Welker's best performance which is a really high bar.
15:45 So that's where Shadow learned that from
Could you analyse Predaking from this series? I love both his character and design and I wonder what you think of the choice to turn a combiner into a single character…
Honestly, the Predacons as a whole deserve analysis. Another thing to add to the list
@@KnightsRealm98 yup, that makes more sense.
@@KnightsRealm98not sure if that even makes sense considering how very little screen time they have and how underdeveloped they are as characters.
HELLO RANDOM CHANNEL IVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE?? this is actually so good sending this vid to all my TF buddies
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Prime Megatron is Frank Welker _finally_ being allowed to stretch his legs with that iconic G1 voice, much like (whether you think the game is _good_ or not) John St. John in Duke Nukem Forever vs. the original Duke Nukem 3D. Both got the opportunities to explore further ranges of those voices than the original media allowed for, and both benefited from it.
This was a great introspection of buckethead himself. Despite it not being a show, are you familiar with the idw comic more than meets the eye? They have handled megs so called redemption arc really well and it was a interesting take.
I've read some of MTMTE, and while there's things I love (Thundercracker for one), there's others I struggle with (never been a fan of greyer Optimuses, honestly).
IDW megatrons "redemption" was Basically handwaving all the evil He did Like people Just Focus on the origin Story where He already did evil stuff and ignore how much evil stuff He did in IDW Like He IS ON steroids doing evil stuff
From Megatron's time under Unicron's control in a few days it does seem out of character, yet in the fight despite Optimus battling the possessed war lord you can tell in Optimus's voice he wants to help this monster. Even after all he has done he offers a hand of an aliance but knowing Prime no doubt he would try to give his former friend and brother a chance to redeem himself. Megatron finally knew what it was like to be under true oppression being controlled with no will under the Chaos bringer, and when he was freed he realised there and then that he was wrong, the Decipticons fought for their freedom and justice, and he tainted their cause.
REALLY GREAT UNDERSTANDING OF THE CHARECTER
This Villain can be a good template for anime Villain tho
Another fantastic video. Tho i gotta say i dont really think Megatrons' actions were what you could call a redemption arc because we never saw the fallout of his change of opinion on opression - let alone whether or not his views towards organics have been reformed outside of that one kudos he gave to Raf for surviving this blast among several other problematic traits Megatron possesed throughout the show. I do understand how unbelievable such this change can be and I myself agree to an extent of what you said about it, though the best i can surmise is that we only saw very few portions of those days where Megatron was overtaken with Unicrons' spirit and thus don't know the full display of what he put megatron through and Megs himself through eons of tyranny had forgotten of the actual truth of his opression since Optimus himself said Megatron had lost his way. The few times he does bring up being a gladiator/lower class - he does so as a massive flex as if to empower himself which was definitely not the intent with that entire system. It definitely is a pretty shaky explaination. Another season where, maybe not a redemption arc, but a self-realization journey ala what Megatron in the comics went through when he became apart of the Lost Light crew. Either way the turn and the character of Megatron wouldve benefitted from even a short movie or a comic strip that went into detail about his mindset and what he did after he left. Someone made a headcanon where he overlooked Optimus Prime making that final dive into the very heart of Cybertron to rebirth the planet so selfishly that is also my headcanon lmao.
Sidenote are you purposely calling Megatrons' change in the finale a heel turn as like a double meaning sorta thing, cause heel turn in wrestling terminology-where it originated from-means to turn into a bad guy. A babyface turn is when a bad guy turns into a good guy and it just confused me a lot lmfao.
Nah, I just meant it in terms of a literary device. The "last-minute heel-turn" is a trope where someone who was previously aligned a certain way seemingly out of nowhere becomes a different alignment. I'm not familiar with wrestling, so if that's the origin it's news to me.
@KnightsRealm98 Nah heel turn is specifically meant towards a good guy turning bad. I.e, Megatron himself before he read up on dark energon/space crack, probably. I'm a massive wrestling geek myself so the heel/face dynamic stuff is just sorta engraved into my brain with a chisel. But yeah: babyface = good guy, heel = badguy.
Naturally Starscream is the biggest heel because of the stilettos he gave himself.
This and animated megatron are both awesome
1:30 decepticons..i have returned!!
I will die on this hill TFP megatron is the best megatron on the BEST transformers piece of content all of the charcyers are written as they should be megatron isn’t playing second fiddle he’s a bad ass gladiator star scream is always planning and sometimes wins but megatron was written perfectly
the music in the background speaks words.
This is the Best Megatron Bar NONE!!
I love Transformers Prime it’s a great show and they did a great job bringing Optimus Prime and Megatron to life. ^^
Bro as a kid i would watch transformers prime on netflix, bro that scene scared me so much i didnt finish s1 until like a month later lol 14:43
Tf prime Megatron is probably one of the best. He is the megatron. And in my view he is better than g1 megatron.
The og is flawed TFP megatron is what g1 megatron should have been
@@Darth-vade123 thats right. This megatron really showed why he is leader. He is strong, intimidating, inteligent, scary and you can feel respect from him. Truly great Villain
@@Krypto12 definitely he's so well written hating him is to hard to do
_"Megatron is the leader of the Decepticons who balances might with cunning to repeatedly orchestrate schemes for his goals of conquest. Formerly known as the Kaon gladiator D-16, Megatron sought to shift a hierarchy balance within Cybertron-rallying up thousands of loyal troops to serve his cause. Formulating several schemes that conflict the Autobots, Megatron usually leaves the heroes with a narrow victory or an outright loss. With the resurrection of Unicron imminent, Megatron forms a truce with the Autobots to combat the Chaos Bringer-being completely honest that it will be temporary and that their dynamic will return to normal. To combat Optimus' Star Saber, Megatron forges his own-grafting his arm with that of a Prime's to be able to wield it. Forging the Omega Lock, Megatron intends on using to restore Cybertron to allow the masses to return-with the restoration granting him the leadership of the planet. To combat the Primus and Unicron dynamic of only dominion over one planet, Megatron also has the Lock almost convert Earth-with the effect of wiping out all organic-based life. After losing the lock, Megatron formulates an assault against the Autobot's base, leaving it in ruins and the Autobots disbanded. When Predaking reveals his sapience, Megatron concurs with his command staff that they are outnumbered by the Predacons, and terminates the Predacon pods with a scheme to frame the Autobots and enrage Predaking against them. Slain after almost utilizing the Omega Lock's power and finding himself trapped as a vessel for Unicron's goal of destruction, Megatron convinces him to approach Predaking under the pretense of loyalty-knowing that Predaking would attempt to destroy Megatron's body. Free from Unicron's control, Megatron dissolves the Decepticons-understanding the true meaning of oppression and thus losing the taste for conquest-before departing."_ ~ *TV Tropes' Magnificent Bastard Entry on Prime Megatron*
Fun fact: I actually grew up with this megatron and he’s my favorite
same
Me too 😄
This is a goated series with a goated ending
I don’t know man, I’m pretty much fine with Megatron giving up the Oppression at the end of Predicons Rising. Felt like a shocking twist in a good way, and not a bad way.
Honestly considering he has tainted his spark so much he is now effectively barred from the afterlife and with Unicorn taking his own body and keeping his soul as something to torture broke through the tyrant to the point he tried to commit suicide through Predaking. Probably he would have been satisfied living in his corpse than with Unicron again or him destroying Cybertron.
Considering everything despite his new resurrection he has no choice to live in exile, well aware of what he has done and that should he die again his spark could no longer be reincarnated through the Allspark.
What if Dreadwing sided with the Autobots?
I definitely want to talk about Dreadwing at length one of these days.
@@KnightsRealm98 He was probably my favourite in Prime for the Decepticons excluding Soundwave and Predaking. Honourable knight warrior who has bombs and a big laser cannon, plus that bond him and Skyquake had? Sign me up for that!
Frankly, I like him so much that I am biased to giving minor history between him and an OC I had made. Mostly because the dude is cool enough that if I went and did writing involving said OC, Dreadwing would definitely be one earning more attention through that. Guy didn't get enough screentime (Nor did Breakdown, poor guy was going to be given a redemption arc and join the Autobots had budget problems not stopped that)
thanks man great video!
Glad you liked it!
@@KnightsRealm98do a villain review on Belos from The owl house, Scourge from Transformers rise of the beasts and Death from Puss in boots
@@redalert923 I've never seen the Owl House, so I'm not really the guy for that. I do plan on doing some TF film videos, including Rise of the Beasts, eventually. As for Death, maybe. There are some Dreamworks things I'd like to discuss at some point
@@KnightsRealm98 thanks for replying buddy and for the heart.🥰🫂❤️
@@KnightsRealm98 well belos is a good villain and he sounds alot like shockwave
I totally agree with the Flopped “Redemption” Arc of Megatron and
it needs to be Completely ReThought out.
Even the Bestest of Shows have Flaws, Especially Transformers Prime.
Or in other Words; TFP isn’t Perfect, but it is the Best Iteration of The
Transformers Franchise.
And I’m Totally in for the ReWriting of TFP Season 3.
I CAN’T WAIT to SEE it!
@@ComradeRagdoll Rewrites of mediocre media is actually a personal favorite pasttime of mine
@@KnightsRealm98 Excellent!
I wouldn’t say that Megatron was redeemed at the end of the movie, but just that he decided to take his first step towards redemption, that’s why he left.
This was an Incredible Video for My All Time Favorite Version of Megatron and My Seventh Favorite Villain of All Time. Fred Tatasciore did a Phenomenal Performance Bringing Transformers The Align Continuity Version of Megatron to Life and I’am Always Going To Be Grateful that Frank Welker got a Chance to Prove Why he himself is The One and Only True Voice of Megatron.
How the heck dose a guy with an energon that is like lean x meth, LEAD TO THIS
I like that you used the show's bg
I have a hunch that the TFP Megatron, was always being subtly nudged by Unicron since he discovered dark energon
It's a distinct possibility
Hey man your videos are amazing keep it up.
Thank you!
Great video but you forgot one thing that shaped megatron. It might seem like minor detail but Megatron unlike other miners was born during day and he deemed sun beautiful and then he was forced underground to work in the mines set to never see sun again
2:55 Small note: The golden age actually ended when the rust plague started, the time leading up to the war was known as the age of rust.
From the Covenant Of Primus, which is set in the Aligned continuity and came out after Prime ended thus is more creditable:
"The Golden Age of Cybertron came to an abrupt conclusion when the colonies became infected with a Rust Plague. Possibly a deliberate attack by unknown parties, the plague was incredibly virulent and apparently incurable. Sentinel Zeta Prime and the council of thirteen on Cybertron made the heavy decision to destroy the Space bridge network for maximum quarantine, cutting off the colonies from Cybertron and abandoning them to their fate to prevent the plague from spreading to the homeworld.
By rust they fell and to rust they came. The global optimism brought about by the space exploration and colony programs was irrevocably lost. The people of Cybertron felt they no longer had anything to strive for, and merely went through the motions of existence. This malaise only intensified when nameless bots began emerging from the Well of All Sparks en masse, just as they had during the Age of Wrath. The general consensus was that these new bots saw existence as too pointless to even bother choosing a name, or have things to look forward to. They merely went about their appointed role in life, no more or less.
Sentinel Zeta Prime managed to hold on to power during the Age of Rust, but accomplished little else. The rest of his council was too gun-shy and lacked the drive to begin new social programs or expeditions to reignite the people's spirit. The one exception was councilor Soundwave, who abandoned the council in disgust for their failures.
The one growing "industry" on Cybertron during the age was gladiator combat, ruthless games of merciless combat and bloodsport arising from Kaon. Either vicariously or in the gladiator pit themselves, Cybertronians found themselves momentarily alive again as part of the ritual combat. It was in these games that a miner designated D-16 claimed the title of Megatronus, fallen of the Primes, before the exuberant crowds shortened his name to Megatron.
Megatron was a visionary as well as a warrior, and began addressing his audience of fans about the possibility of social change, even revolution. Indeed, Megatron ultimately brought about the end of the Age of Rust, but not how he expected. Megatron and his allies received an audience before Sentinel and the council to address their concerns, but the council sidestepped Megatron and presented the title of Prime to one of his less extreme advisors, the archivist Orion Pax. As Pax rose to become Optimus Prime, Megatron rejected his former friend and began open warfare in the streets of Cybertron. These two leaders and their factions, the Autobots and Decepticons, began the Great War that shook the rust from Cybertron's society, for good or ill."
This is one of those cases where the shakiness of the Aligned Continuity comes into place, because in the show, Ratchet specifically says that Orion met Megatronus in the twilight years of the Golden Age. So that's what I was referencing.
Side note, I adore this continuity, so all the inconsistencies and retcons are immensely irritating to me. Show says one thing, games say another, novels contradict both, then the encyclopedia says something completely out of the blue like "Optimus is a reincarnation of the 13th Prime". Gives me a fraggin' headache.
@@KnightsRealm98 Yeah, fair, though I'd still say the Covenant has prescedance. But yeah, that whole Optimus being the reincarnation of the 13th Prime... Goooood that was dumb as hell
@@tracytron7162 Reincarnation is a complicated plot device and I have rarely seen it executed well (pretty much just Avatar, if I'm being honest). It just doesn't fit in Transformers in my opinion.
@@KnightsRealm98 Agreed, the one case I could really see it fitting into Transformers is if Rodimus Prime/Hot Rod was the reincarnation of the 13th Prime, since that would fit well with his whole "Chosen one" spiel as well as make him feel more like he deserves the title. Like I'm not one of those people who hate Hot Rod or say he killed Optimus or anything, but I definitely don't think he was really ready or even appropriate for the title of Prime.
@@tracytron7162 I have a lot of thoughts on Rodimus, because I personally love that character. Expect a video on him late November, because I've got to get through my Halloween themed videos first.
For me personally, I enjoy the unicron trilogy version of megatron simply because of nostalgia and the fact that version is a giant ham and SO over the top.
I do love Armada Megs. Definitely top five for me
I had issues with narrative decisions made in TFP. With anything Hasrbo owns , we all know the deal - decisions made to entertain children of a specific age and to go for dramatic pizazz than logical follow through.
Megatron could have ambushed Bee and destroyed him AND Raf.
Making Unicron the Earths core and allowing a so-so vocal performance and weak ambitions for plot when hes supposed to be a god.
Soundwave could have tracked down the kids and presented them to Megatron to use as bait way back in episode 6, not season 3.
Speaking of... Soundwave was so OP they deliberately kept him in the background. Certainly very cool, hes my fave character of all time, but Soundwave had all the means to act on intel and frequently didnt. Mostly cuz Starscream or someone else was getting the spotlight.
The decision to keep Knock Out alive no matter what cuz he was a studio fave, but offer no character development on screen.
And lots more.
BUTTTT.... This is still one of my favorite Transformers series. Better than any of the Bay films, imo, and better than anythinf else but Beast Wars, which i argue is a bit better overall.
THIS is the incarnation of these charcaters i love most. This is the Cybertronian lore i love most. The art direction, animation, the fact that the character designs dont have noses, and yes, to agree with thi video, the BEST Megatron ever to grace the screen.
I would have LOVED to see THIS Megatron on the big screen. THIS is a Megatron i can fully believe has been drawing out a war for thousands of years - fueled by hatred, armed with strategy, and amused by vengeance.
Frank Welker did an absolutely phenomenal job. Immense passion shines through every delivered line, AND through his silence by the animators - like in Rock Bottom when he said nothing and just stared at Starscream. Incredibly menacing. His presense is so loud in this series that his season finale death, his eye going dark, was a punch in the heart where i dunno if im mourning or celebrating.
Just. There are so many things to say. Thank you for making this video to say them too!
My dream is a Transformers show with a big budget and zero studio interference so that the darker side of the war can be shown. Take Prime and early IDW as a template and just run with it.
I think that the ending to Prime was good, as the enslavement perhaps awakened his original goal of freedom for all, rather than peace through tyranny.
And you now got a new subscriber. Please make more TFP or transformers content.
Tfp megatron is an addict
So megatron is like a Spartacus who instead fight for freedom he became a tyrant for power.
Pretty much, yeah.
Spartacus also didnt Fight for freedom thats romantizing His revolt
reading the books on transformers prime does give better insight on megatron, and every character as a whole. Especially on megatron's sudden change of heart
As the show really only has rachet to tell the past, and the books help prove he's a biased story teller
I love what he did to bumblebee in out of his head because it reminds me of lilo and stitch 2 stitch has a glitch.🤖📺👽👾🌌🚀🛸
His beginning NG origins remind me alot of napoleon rise to power
I always though about Spartacus. Both Spartacus and Megatron were Gladiators that eventually led an entire armies
Imagine being a prisoner in your own body and being able to do absolutely nothing about it. One of megatrons biggest qualities is he'd rather die than be controlled by anyone. The first time unicrons threat came around, he atleast had a chance and did something about it. Pay attention to how unicron literally tortured him. Maybe he actually understood how much he had strayed from his original ideals. Maybe when he died, he was reminded of his former self. The ending was a bit rushed, sure but it was justified.
I love this video but can you do a video on transformers animated megatron
Maybe eventually. I've got a few other things in the near future first, though.
I agree would be interesting to see a video on one of the few Megatron's that is close to TFP megatron equal
No matter what you say what is your opinion what is you explanation you can never sway my decision megatron is my favorite character in the entire tf universe.
Personally, TFP is below animated for me, but what would really take the cake would be a IDW Inspired series, that would be a perfect villain and redemption arc. Also, I just really need to say it: TFP Megatron’s design isn’t the best one, it’s stealth bomber.
Fair opinions. Animated's my second favorite show (though the two are very close). Personally, I'd love a less-stylized version of Animated Megs' design, give the copter some love.
@@KnightsRealm98 I’m gonna be honest, I liked Shockwave as Megatron. Corey just sells Megatron a tad bit better to me than Frank does
@@FordoAtonal Oooh, hot take.
Jokes aside, Corey Burton is an absolute legend, no matter the role. But Frank's Megatron and Peter's Prime will always be *the* Megs and Prime for me. Like Kevin Conroy's Batman or Robert Englund's Freddy. But different people have different takes, and that's 100% fine.
@@KnightsRealm98 that’s understandable, can’t really see anyone else being Optimus Prime. It just takes a certain amount of firmness and yet sincerity to make that gentle voice. I always found it funny how the original Shockwave ended up voices Megatron, imagined what it would be like to take over the role of someone you worked with before.
That ending of Transformers Prime with Megatron not wanting to be evil anymore struck me as incredibly lame. Actions have consequences and criminals (especially war criminals) can't just walk away from all the awful things they did as if it were a game that they're no longer interested in playing.
The other Decepticons (especially Soundwave and Shockwave) won't allow it, either. They've committed everything to their cause and they won't stand by and just let bygones be bygones after all is said and done. If fact, in some continuities the most powerful Decepticons (some even rivaling Megatron) are employed in their Justice Division to hunt down and punish deserters. How do you think Megatron's desertion will play out?
I don't see why the Autobots would allow it either. Arrest his tail-pipe
Honestly disagree. While he definitely does deserve punishment I'm fine with him just leaving never to be seen again. He's essentially a dead bot walking. He was killed and put through torture in what seemed like eternal hell by unicron. It's fair enough he wanted to walk away from everything when he was brought back. Optimus always wanted megatron to change. While that doesn't mean he deserves to just walk free it was still a great moment. And besides there were more pressing matters to take care of with the all spark and it would have taken away from the focus. He does deserve punishment obviously but his change of heart makes sense
Can you pls do a analysis on me, the Soundwave clone, not a FALIURE!, a Mercenary, and finally a Godfather of own Maifa at same time and I may hate Megatron but he has good character I admit that
Can you do a beast wars video? I never wstched it, but people say it's good
That'll be part 2 of my complete Transformers Retrospective, which I need to schedule. But I definitely have specific characters from Beast Wars I'd like to analyze
@@KnightsRealm98 So it IS a good show, have to watch it
@@calebe4266 though the CG definitely hasn't aged well, the story is fantastic.
He was a minner in the cave if you are read comicbookd
Yep. I mention that in the video.
I think you should make a video on beast wars megatron. He’s a far better villian
Maybe eventually. I have a lot of videos in my backlog already
@@KnightsRealm98 I just really wanna see a character analysis on him cause i can’t find a proper one on TH-cam, unless the video on how he was butchered in sidge counts
I just figured something out everything has a spiritual tie in think megatron was a warrior right he was on the right path as well as Optimus
Now think the devil was on Gods side in the beginning but jealousy plays a big role in wat goes on in this whole thibg
Gotta disagree, being possessed by Satan for any amount of time would definitely change my mind that what I’ve been doing is wrong. Also proves Optimus right, all beings are capable of change. And speaking from experience, people who used to love evil and later choose to do what is good and right are always the greatest people to be redeemed, all that capacity to do evil is now put into doing good instead.
Song name in intro?
I think this video would be good if some words were switched around:
"Megatron of Transformers Prime: The Perfect Villain"
Not telling you to do so, just a humble suggestion that would be in-line with your channel's theme.
Real they ruined megatron by trying to copy mtme megatron which did a amazing redemption arc and prime tried to copy but did none of the work
Megatron from the Cybertron games is not the same Megatron from Transformers Prime.
They are both part of the Aligned Continuity. Look it up.
@KnightsRealm98 to me they aren't. For one, if the Cybertron games are in the same continuity as Transformers Prime, then why does Megatron need to aquire Dark Energon from space if he already has it in him when he was on board the Energon station.
@@jaredfetzer7041 Headcanon doesn't change actual canon. As flawed as the concept is, that changes nothing. And believe me, the Aligned Continuity is a mess (because Rescue Bots is apparently canon to it as well...somehow), but it's still connected. I actually have a video planned sometime in the near future that breaks down all the inconsistencies of the AC.
ummmm Oppression thousands of years ago that grew hatred that blinded him .
Oppression behind a glass not in controle a prisoner in his own body is a different experience a new experience so I didnt hate that conclusion . I wish they put more time in it and explore it more . rather than I just feel bad now.