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- 60 minutes of Dave assembling his silent (low noise) Intel i7 3770K video editing computer. If you find that boring, don't watch.
NOTE: This is NOT an instructional video!
YES, I used WAY too much thermal paste (as shown in the heatsink instructions!), get over it. I cleaned it and fixed it afterwards.
YES, I initially put the memory in the wrong sockets.
YES, I did not do any cable management, I just wanted to test the thing, get over it.
I fixed all those issues, so no more stupid comments please.
Also, please DON'T leave uninformed generic comments about needing a high end video card for editing and rendering. You are wrong for my case, read this first:
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you're supposed to install the I/O shield in the case before you put the motherboard in....
where's your PC building video?
This is a video editing PC, not a gaming PC. Gamers need to calm down about this video.
Finally! Somebody who realized that fact.
***** "buh... buh... How you gonna play crysis 3 tho!?!?!?!?"
+tristan digert To be fair it would make a pretty sweet gaming pc with just a gpu . Everything else is pretty much as good as you need for a gaming pc . Most gamers will pay 3 times the price for flashing lights .
John Smith True
hardstyle905 k first off
the temptation to correct him about some of this stuff is strong XD
The thermal paste made my skin crawl (even though you had the annotation saying you fixed it). Also, the CPU fan facing the wrong way (not blowing to the rear exhaust fan) was also a bit funny to me.
Somehow I got the feeling of watching a train crash in slow motion throughout the video. It shows that it's the first time in 10-15 years. And I am aware that I'm not perfect either.
I think Dave used WAY too much thermal paste.
+The Kaiser no rly
"thinnest layer possible" *looking at plastered-over heatsink* O_o
This has to be the best PC build or PC components review I've seen on youtube (aside from the obvious technical failures but they're of various benefits) all presented in Dave's famous style. I trust that the feedback that Dave has provided on many points makes it up the chains with the popularity of his videos.
Altogether a solid build Dave! A nice well rounded machine, hope this makes your videos faster and easier to make!
put the rams in : black both or blue both not one black and one blue ( the a and b ) are channels that helps a lot for you for speeding up ram access:now you are using only A channel B is idle so if you put the ram you shall get double access speed.
just saying that
You can run in dual channel ram or single. Both have there advantages
Agreed. It works much better if you use only one channel if you have only 2 sticks of ram.
I was going to make some observations. But, I will not. 15 years since your last build so it's understandable that mistakes where made. Next time I would suggest watching (or asking) someone who builds PC's all the time for a little help and advice. But nice attempt considering, I've seen a LOT worse.
Yes really...
Thermal paste should be applied on the cpu in a pea sized dot
Ram should have been installed in the 2 blue slots (would have also allowed the fan to be installed in its original configuration)
I/O shield is to be installed into the case first
But considering it's been 15 years since he's built a PC, they are common noob mistakes that won't keep the PC from running. So I'd say he did an alright job, it works!
This has to be one of the best and most entertaining PC builds that I have seen on You Tube. Nice :)
I ground myself by touching the case first, before the motherboard. I never use anti static wrist straps since the 1980s. Never ruined a board. Just make sure I stand in the kitchen on the tile and use a table without a cloth on it. The motherboard bag only has ESD coating on the inside of the bag so I put the motherboard on top of the box it comes in for anti static.
Quote of the day:
I like the sound of the GPU boost switch
my OCD building side was going crazy over the cable management... there's holes and ports for hiding all the wiring behind the motherboard... it looks so much prettier and the airflow's so much better when you hide all the cables in the back!!
ThEcRaZ3dGaM3R While this is true to a point, it's a moot point as he has a windowless side panel (nobody's going to look inside it, why bother making it look pretty?), and LTT has pretty much proven that the loss of airflow by having a rats nest of wires is negligible, as they literally filled a tower with clothing and an iron while running, blocking all possible airflow, put the processor under load, and they still couldn't get the computer to overheat, I don't think one measly wire will completely destroy airflow
Michael Dickens Very true!!
You forgot cardboard boxes
You know, honestly I wish more motherboard reviewers knew as much about electronics as you do. It really adds an extra level of quality to a review when the person knows what the hell their talking about and hasn't been paid by the manufacturer to say the right things. Really top notch video mate!
Sucking the air thru the radiator IS more efficient.
The fan causes the air it's pushing to rotate, your radiator has fixed, straight fins - so you push turbulent air into straight and rigid fins.
Allowing the air to com in the fins as smooth and non-turbulent as possible allows for better laminar flow and fewer vortexes that spin hot air in place instead of moving out.
Also, the rotating air is spread in a cone shape, while exiting the fan, leaving a bigger-than-the-hub "hole" of air that move slow or stands.
yada yada
Dave, you did good! No complaints given you hadn't done one in 10 years. How are you supposed to know the little things unless you've done them? Keep up the good work!
Being in school for this kind of thing, I found segments of this painful to watch.
You need to go to a school to assemble PCs now ?
Raptor3388 No, but we cover assembly and disassembly early on.
aww ;( are you mad that someone was able to figure this out without needing to go to school for it?
I'd say Dave did a bloody great job to say its his first time with a modern day PC installation. I've seen most modern day people install stuff upside down and backwards.
Good one Dave!
Great video as always Dave.
Just watching this while reconfiguring my desk and thought id make mention of my desktop machine. It isnt all that powerful. 2.6 GHz Intel Core 2 Quad, 4GB DDR2 Ram, 500gb HDD and no graphics card. But it is built inside an old 20MHz Dual Channel CRT Oscilloscope that was non functional. Its an interesting case to say the least, and looks quite cool.
Sounds nice. Quite an interesting modded rig. ^_^
treat the thermal compound like toothpaste... just make a little line in the middle of the processor and when you mount the cooler on, the pressure will spread it out into a thin layer
+Devin Stepp on that topic if you need thermal compound in a hurry just to hold the computer temps till you get real thermal compound, toothpaste will work as a temporary thermal compound. i've done it before and it works just fine just don't use the grainy stuff. and don't leave it in more than 3-4 days. just for emergency use.
+brandonhughes7 dang that's kinda Kool XD lol
I love the continuity and the chronological order.
People may have complained about how you built your PC. But that's the beauty of PC building, if you make a mistake or see something that isn't right, it's not a total loss and you can just take a few mins to rectify anything.
lmao, he installed the ram in the wrong slots
he said that already
stop it, dave has a enough sand in his private parts
#latereaction
Put your PSU in first...
How many times will I have to say this? GPU acceleration (CUDA or OpenCL) on my chosen Sony MovieStudio / Vegas software, makes very little difference. I have tried it.
watching you put this new system together, compared to all the old systems, is much different, and much better. I understand the faster rendering with big graphics cards, but having that thing sitting at less than 50 watts is really sweet. which makes everything run quieter, and longer, like in that cheap power supply. I think it is a real winner. I could see you putting tape strips around the perifery of the heat sink, to seal the air leaks, but looking at the cpu temps, probably uneeded.
Google is your friend most of the time.
Not a fan of acoustic foam, it acts like lagging on a boiler and keeps the heat in. Love this guy but that build was painful to watch.
Dave what was the Windows Performance Index after install? BTW great vids!
This is where a border between a specialist using a PC as a tool and a computer geek is set. One does now how to built PC in 60 seconds, the other actually can design it :)
good work Dave :)
well whats with smack talking gamers?
+newrhea13 Because we have better systems
+newrhea13 It's because they are too stupid to realize he built the PC for video editing not gaming and they also probably have no clue that you need different specs.
Even though he using a desktop CPU and a desktop ATX board, yeah ok....
Destrica UK Opposed to what exactly? I doubt he wanted to spend 2-3k on a system.
I Love Purple Hazmats he was referring to it you saying it was not a gaming computer. also 2k? how is it possible to spend 2k on a build like this? is that usd or aus?
Anyone else feel insulted by his tone when mocking us as "fanboys" ¿
Yes. The video editing I do is trivial. It's the rendering that matters, and the video card does not help with that, I've tried.
Holy fuck Dave. Cable management buddy, Cable management. Hide whatever cables you can behind the motherboard and tiewrap the ones you cant so it looks neat.
TOO MUCH THERMAL PASTE DUDE!!!! I was cringing during that whole part...
Vapicon % that's the misteak I made 20 years ago. paste all over the socket.
yuk!
expensive computer, cheap monitor.
+The Polish Video Game Nerd expensive? lol
+The Polish Video Game Nerd He found the monitor in a dumpster. I recon it's brilliant.
i found sony bravia tv in dumpster.
atleast is full hd and 50 inch.
+The Polish Video Game Nerd have you ever used a monitor as a computer screen?
Oskar Martin
now i using some lg monitor.
but before.
no.
i uses 21 inch tv.
Love it, he's hailing standard features of PC cases as innovations... XD Can tell he's not done this in ages.
you probably all ready heard much of this, but i have to ask what made you think to install the i/o shield to the mother board before putting it in the case. I have always heard to put the shield on the case then put the mobo in.
Dave do you provide positive air pressure to the enclosure with your fan setup?
We have the same case! The top-facing SD reader is pretty convenient, but I do have to blast it with an air duster every couple of months. Very nice quiet case though, especially with the water cooling system I use.
Awesome! I look forward to your cpu overclock and sound analysis videos! Great job.
Thanks for the video Dave, I'm thinking of building a PC with a z77 chipset soon. I'll be definitely taking a closer look at the size of components now.
One question I'd love to ask is why the optical drive? For ease of installing Windows 7 and software?
This has to be one of the funniest build video's i have seen in a while.
Good video Dave, enjoyed very much.
Basic video editing, yes, it's overkill, but I also obviously have to do the video rendering, and that is where the speed is required.
The new machine is great. Much faster than my previous i7 laptop, and much much quieter.
I really enjoyed that Dave, thanks.
Dave thanks for going in-depth on things like the caps 39:12. Given how flimsy that board is would you buy one again?
bottom line boards tend to be more flimsy, I have an ASUS ROG MAXIMUS V Formula, their ultra top of the line LGA 1155 Z77 chipset board, and the thing weights a ton between the VRM and chipset coolers. Boards also 2mm to support the heavier coolers.
Joshua Nicoll
Seems to be true of PSUs as well, the heavier the darn things are generally the better quality. Cool to know about the ROG, never actually owned one, but have had a number of older ASUS boards that were pretty good.
Indeed, my PSU also weights a ton, it's a Corsair RM850x 850 watt PSU, so it's gonna be a little heavy. The ROG boards are however VERY expensive, some costing as much as $400. ASUS's WS work station X99 one is also thicker, but being X99 costs a lot more too.
The Asus Tuf series MB are the durable overbuilt models, ROG is the overclocking and performance group.
They're basically the same actually, both have overbuilt VRMs and Z series chipsets so both overclock, the main difference is aesthetics. ROG being black and (used to be red) very angular heatsinks, the TUF series is more tame and white.
you have to put the io shield in to the case first then push the mother board in to it?
I built my last PC to use as a firewall/router, so I bought cheaper hardware. I still bought everything new, and chose parts from familiar brands I thought might be reliable based on good reviews. I stayed with the stock fan, and the fans that came with the case, and everything does run very quietly. It was a fun project. Before that I hadn't actually built a PC since 2003. I was fascinated by the CPU. Very small and no pointy pins.
Because I do love gaming, I do want to build a much higher end rig that can handle newer games. But that's something I'll have to put off until later.
As you may have guessed from that comment I haven't used onboard video in a while. Was multi-display support added in the overhaul for the Core iX series?
Do you learn all this stuff when learning to be an electrician, or is it done via an electronics engineering course? Thanks
As I mentioned, you don't need a high end video card for video rendering, it is CPU intensive process.
One thing I was thinking was that SD cards are relatively slow, so try copying the SD to the solid state drive first before editing. If it doesn't take too long to copy, it might be worth it. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with all of us. Cheers
uh... and ps/2 keyboards... What IRQ does the keyboard interface have? :)
And the usb...?
Great video, especially the PSU dissection. Whenever I build a new system, I recommend running a monitor program while stressing the system. HWMonitor (from CPUID) is a great free tool that reports voltages and most importantly temperatures. Run this while doing CPU intensive tasks like Handbrake. If there is a problem with your installation (e.g. too much thermal paste as others have pointed out) you'll see it here.
Hi Dave you put your ram in single channel mode which is going to be slower than dual channel...your two ram sticks should be in either in the black slots or in the blue slots otherwise you will not get the performance that your ram is able to give you...and the thermal paste is way too much and the I/O shield is easy to install first into the case and than just slide the motherboard.... Thanks anyway for the video :) thumbs up :))))
How long ago was it that you built your last PC? I got into the building of computers late but it's still about 15 years ago and I can't remember having to mess with any jumpers?
I like that socket attachment. Not seen that given out before.
Dave, those oval holes in your backside next to power supply and to 24-pin connector etc. are probably to put the wiring behind the back plane. This will reduce the number of wires in the "main chamber" - more convenience and better air flows.
Also - I don't think you should overclock anything - it is a whole new world :) Thousands dollars of equipment just to get extra 3 FPS....
Your PC is super!
After using this machine for a few months, is there anything you would change, or have changed, about it? I'm going to build a similar PC and I wanted to check one last time before ordering parts. Thanks from North Dakota, USA.
Placing that thermal paste was painful to watch. A quick google search on applying thermal paste would have been helpful.
Isnt ram supposed to go into slots of the same colour to get dual chanel performance?
yes
Also, don't worry about the PSU. Corsair ones tend to be pretty solid
Thank's for sharing this build!
Things I spotted: Way too much heat sink compound, yes use a plastic card. No need to have extra compound oozing out.
Snap the IO shield in to the case, then put in the mobo.
Dave mentioned the power connector not being supported, but there was an empty mounting screw right beside it if I saw correctly. Is that because he only did 6 screws/standoffs, instead of the usual 9?
I tend to run powercfg -h off at the admin command prompt, to remove the hidden hiberfil.sys equal to the size of the ram from the C Drive.
Just catching up on old EEVBlogs.
I must be an old tight-arse too ...
When I went to build myself a "Gaming" machine (Retired - so much time, so little to do ;^) I used very similar components, of course with the addition of a game-worthy GFX card.
Still runs very nicely.
So far resisted the temptation to add a GTX970 ...
OS:Win7 HP64 CPU:i7 3770K 3.5(@4.3GHz) COOLER:Zalman CNPS10X-PERFORMA MOBO:Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD5H SSD#1: Samsung EVO850Pro 500GB SSD#2: SanDisk 240GB HDD:2 x Seagate 2TB GFX:Gigabyte GTX670 WF3 2GB OC 1058MHz RAM:16GB RAM 16000MHz DDR3 KEYB'D:Logitech G11 MOUSE:Logitech G700s MON:2 x ASUS 24” ROUTER:ASUS RT-N66U DarkKnight INTERWEBS:Fibre 152Mbps/12Mbps JOYSTICK:T16000m THROTTLE:HOTAS X HEADTRACK:TrackIR5 Pro
12:05 the sarcasm you ooze from your mouth dave is legend :)
Look this is the one thing i'd know more than you about, and you haven't done a bad job at all!
Good work.
Great video as usual, nothing like assembling a computer with current generation parts and marveling at the new wizardry.
I would really enjoy seeing you analyze the noise output of the case. Also, you may have already tried this but does the CPU fan fit in its optimal position if you put the memory sticks in the light blue memory ports (A2+B2)?
Did you end up adding the noctua fans in
Dude, I love your videos, and I know you now know better, but this is painful, yet funny to watch ^^
my 9 year old cousin is already building his own computers.. so yes, you are right, it is no fun to watch videos about building computers anymore. if only he was commenting on the motherboard architecture or some new stuff on the I7 core...
where did you purchase all the components because my graphics card on my computer packed it and i need to get a new one
ASUS should pay you for this video. Nice video Mr. Dave
Go read my blog post on this machine, it explains why I don't need a good video card for my video editing and rendering purposes.
one more question off topic. in some of your earlier videos, at the intro, you show a photo of yourself which is being outlined in black. how did you do that? thanks...
32:00 you install the IO bracket **FIRST!**
It's designed to clip to the case. Then you just slide the motherboard with connectors in there.
Hi eevblog, I applaud you for your courage in jumping straight in, without preparing yourself better . Ignore all the negative posts, it was very entertaining, and I'm sure your next build will be a lot easier.
The gap in the front panel is actually for a floppy disk drive if u read the instructions but It is a possible sata dock
I always have to pull those plastic scratch protection covers that come on new products 😉 it's like a big reveal ... Wow shiny!
A few things for future builds!
1) You used way too much thermal paste, so much in fact that you need to check your temps at load
2) Next time you put the motherboard IO plate in first and then
3) You really need to work on your cables :) HDDs go in the other way, and use behind the motherboard tray to route your cables
It's just as thin either way if you do it right. You use a rice grain size blob, and put some pressure on it. The main goal is to make sure no air is in it. That's where the blob excels, because it pushes the air out as it goes, where spreading it easily traps air (the same way tape does). Even if the blob doesn't quite make it to the corners, the center is where the chip is hottest and is most important, and if you get any air bubbles in the center, making it to the corners won't matter.
ive got a costom gaming pc, but even to me, that pc is fairly good! good job dave!
Pretty good system you got there. You skimped on price but not on quality. Top notch.
It really will man. Its what they're for. Yours seems to be a unique case.
Hi Dave, little advice ...
The RAM modules should be paired in the slots with the same color to double the transfer rate, but always check your motherboard manual if dual channel is supported with the RAMs you bought or you might damage them! That's why it's best to read the manual (download it) before buying mainboard and RAM ;)
Also the thermal paste layer should be as thin as possible. Intel CPU's will start throttling if temperature gets too high ;)
So how much power does it take during high-CPU load video conversion?
Wanted to also add, the stock CPU cooler works great with 500-1000 lumen LED's so you can use it when building a flashlight.
Also, do not rely on the onboard GPU, especially if you plan to use any video editors that support GPU acceleration, or anything that supports open CL. Get a dedicated videocard. (The dedicated GPU you received in the mail works awesomely with 3d modeling applications, especially MAYA if you ever want to 3D model )
Depending upon the video editing software you use, a discrete GPU can be very beneficial in rendering videos. A GPU can crunch the numbers at a greater speed than a CPU alone. I don't know if you've put a GPU in your rig by now but if not check your video editing software and see if it can leverage CUDA (nVidia) or Open CL (AMD/ATI). You'd be surprised how much difference it can make.
Good build! i have some suggestions!
1) if temps are high move the ram in the other slots and do a push config
2) in that case you'll be able to hide the cables behind the back panel improving look and airflow
3) You have a k series cpu clock it at least at 4ghz or it would be a money waste
4) this pc does not require much power, a good 500W psu is enough for every single cpu end single gpu system today, also with moderate oc
5) use the fan controller on the mb for - db
6) set the ram at 1.6ghz
If you want quieter fans use noctua fans. Use a nf-f12 in your hyper 212 evo and use the nf-p12 for the case fans
In what way? I use it pretty much daily and have tried most NLE's and at liked Premiere.the most. Is it just the learning curve or something else? I think sucks is pretty harsh for one of the most reputable NLE's out there. CS7 comes out in may, did you try one of the very early versions?
They colour coded the ram modules are there for a reason, it indicates the dual channel pairs, plug the paired modules in so they are both on the same colour to get higher memory bandwidth.
I'm sure its been mentioned, but I'm not going to read 639 comments to check.
You don't want to spread out thermal paste over the whole dye as Dave has done. Doing so will put too much paste in between the cpu heatspreader and the thermal plate on the cooler which will either provide poor thermal transfer or could squeeze out and potentially cause a short (if its conductive paste). Could also trap air bubbles, use the pea or line method, and remember you don't need to cover the whole cpu dye :)
Not too sure what to say so far, only 30 mins through. Did you take the sticker off the chipset heat sink?
Right people, when applying thermal paste don't do what he did. It's way to much. How you do it is like this: When the cpu is installed into the socket apply a dab in the middle of the cpu, pea size (the green ones you eat). Leave it like that you don't want air bubbles. Then put the heatsink on top of it, push down a little bit so it sits on nicely, then twist left and right (just a little bit to help it spread) and screw it in place. Thats all you have to do.
Whoa! You done goofed with that thermal paste!